Arizona ... Right or wrong?

[me]

(CNN) -- The Mexican government is requesting a quick and transparent investigation into the fatal shooting by a U.S. Border Patrol agent of a Mexican teen in Ciudad Juarez on Monday night, the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday.
The teen was shot during a rock-throwing incident, Mexican and U.S. officials said.
Mexico "reiterates that the use of firearms to repel a rock attack represents a disproportionate use of force, particularly coming from authorities who receive specialized training on the matter," the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday in a news release.
The teen's death was the second at the hands of U.S. border authorities in less than two weeks. . .

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/08/texas.border.patrol.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1

Here yah go! Let the slaughter begin! 

Gee and they would treat our teenagers soooo wonderful if the situation were reversed.  They're such a giving and wonderful place should you be caught illegally over there and have such a great system of handling prisoners.  We should model our system after theirs.   

[Palehorse]

Gee and they would treat our teenagers soooo wonderful if the situation were reversed.  They're such a giving and wonderful place should you be caught illegally over there and have such a great system of handling prisoners.  We should model our system after theirs.   

Proof of hypocrisy! I cannot believe you would consider the death of a 14-15 year old unarmed kid, at the hand of an over zealous law enforcement officer,
to be akin to a pile of dog excrement on the ground, and not worthy of any higher level of consideration or value. 

[Sandy Eggo]

Good grief! Clearly the kid is at fault. Who brings rocks to a gunfight?!?

I love the logic that we should treat others, especially kids, not the way we're treated by others, but by the way we imagine/make up that we might be treated. That justifies EVERYthing. *sarcasm*

[me]

Proof of hypocrisy! I cannot believe you would consider the death of a 14-15 year old unarmed kid, at the hand of an over zealous law enforcement officer,
to be akin to a pile of dog excrement on the ground, and not worthy of any higher level of consideration or value. 

I'm not saying that at all what I am saying is Mexico has no right to call us out on anything that's going on over here when they are much worse.  Yes, it should be investigated but as far as the Mexican government being indignant about anything we do......I don't think so.

[Palehorse]

The number of Mexicans killed or wounded by US Border Patrol Agents in 2008 was 5. In 2009 it was 12. Thus far this year it has already reached 17. . . .

This thing is out of control and will result in a border war as sure as the sun will rise in the morning. . .

[Palehorse]

I'm not saying that at all what I am saying is Mexico has no right to call us out on anything that's going on over here when they are much worse.  Yes, it should be investigated but as far as the Mexican government being indignant about anything we do......I don't think so.

It's called foreign policy me. . . And pissing off your neighbors is not a good way to secure your borders or increase security on a national scale. . .

What makes you think that middle eastern people are the only ones who will fly planes into buildings and strap bombs to themselves in order to kill Americans? And just how successful do you think we could be in keeping out Canadians or Mexicans who hate Americans because we indiscriminately shoot them down and kill them?

That's just downright ignorant! 

[me]

It's called foreign policy me. . . And pissing off your neighbors is not a good way to secure your borders or increase security on a national scale. . .

What makes you think that middle eastern people are the only ones who will fly planes into buildings and strap bombs to themselves in order to kill Americans? And just how successful do you think we could be in keeping out Canadians or Mexicans who hate Americans because we indiscriminately shoot them down and kill them?

That's just downright ignorant!

Ya know, I haven't noticed a drug cartel coming out of Canada and killing and robbing our citizens lately so how can you possibly compare the two? 

[Palehorse]

Ya know, I haven't noticed a drug cartel coming out of Canada and killing and robbing our citizens lately so how can you possibly compare the two?

Lock down one you need to lock down all. . .The Canadian border is just as popular for drug smugglers and illegal immigrants as the Mexican one is. . .

The effect of Canadians on our economy is devastating. Unlike Mexicans, Canadians take jobs from Americans that Americans actually want. Another way Canadians are destabilizing our economy is by replacing our money with theirs. How many times have you gotten change in a store only to realize when you get home that you were given a practically worthless Canadian penny or dime? 

[me]

Lock down one you need to lock down all. . .The Canadian border is just as popular for drug smugglers and illegal immigrants as the Mexican one is. . .

The effect of Canadians on our economy is devastating. Unlike Mexicans, Canadians take jobs from Americans that Americans actually want. Another way Canadians are destabilizing our economy is by replacing our money with theirs. How many times have you gotten change in a store only to realize when you get home that you were given a practically worthless Canadian penny or dime? 

Ah, but they, the Canadians, are coming over legally and there's a difference whether you want to accept that or not.  If they do something illegal while here they also don't expect us to coddle them. 

Have you ever stood in like behind them at the grocery store and had them make fun of you or other American's in spanish and then pay for their groceries with a voucher card which you helped pay for?  Have you ever worked with them and heard them making fun of other workers or maybe you in spanish?  They don't appreciate anything they are getting and to them we are fools.  We are being used pure and simple and there needs to be a stop put to it.  What is wrong with going back to the work voucher's and them coming legally like they used to in the summer to pick crops and do summer jobs and then going back home?  Things seemed to work pretty well then. My neighbor is sitting at home right now out of work and his wonderful union is sending Mexican's to jobs rather than some of the membership.  No, the companies don't have to hire them just because the union sent them to the job but what's up with that anyway?  He has been a member of that union for over 10yrs and the Mexican's are new as in under a year.  These people are working inside at Lilly and can't/won't speak a word of English from what some of his buddy's who are working with them are telling him.  Yes, I'm getting totally off topic here but these are some things that are reallly torquing my jaw and that need to be addressed. 

[Palehorse]

Ah, but they, the Canadians, are coming over legally and there's a difference whether you want to accept that or not.  If they do something illegal while here they also don't expect us to coddle them. 

So the mexicans that come here from Canada? Or how about the mexicans that cross through the US on their way to canada, for their free health care? Come on. . . It's the same thing! If we closed the US - Mexican border tight as a drum, they'd just go around and come down through Canada!

Have you ever stood in like behind them at the grocery store and had them make fun of you or other American's in spanish and then pay for their groceries with a voucher card which you helped pay for?  Have you ever worked with them and heard them making fun of other workers or maybe you in spanish?  They don't appreciate anything they are getting and to them we are fools.  We are being used pure and simple and there needs to be a stop put to it.  What is wrong with going back to the work voucher's and them coming legally like they used to in the summer to pick crops and do summer jobs and then going back home?  Things seemed to work pretty well then. My neighbor is sitting at home right now out of work and his wonderful union is sending Mexican's to jobs rather than some of the membership.  No, the companies don't have to hire them just because the union sent them to the job but what's up with that anyway?  He has been a member of that union for over 10yrs and the Mexican's are new as in under a year.  These people are working inside at Lilly and can't/won't speak a word of English from what some of his buddy's who are working with them are telling him.  Yes, I'm getting totally off topic here but these are some things that are reallly torquing my jaw and that need to be addressed.

Okay, first of all, do you speak spanish or understand it? No. You don't. I do, and I rarely let them know I do just so I can comment on paranoid statements like this. Most often they are talking about the same damned things you and everybody else talk about while standing in line; how long it's taking, why don't they have more checkouts open, and what they are going to make for dinner, do that day/evening, or any number of other things life occupies us with while standing in lines. . . Sheesh.

Now, if the unions are sending folks to fill jobs then I would assume they are following the policies of the law and unions, and if they are not then it is up to the membership to drop a dime on their ass. But they don't do that do they? No, because they know damned good and well that what the unions are doing is by the letter of the law. . . or policies within which they are supposed to operate.

I'm NOT saying it isn't a problem, but what I am saying is that draconian policy and shoot to kill practices are not the answers to the problem either; short term nor long term. Enforcement of the laws and policies already on the books is the answer in part, but rather than do this some factions of this nations citizenry want to stir up the shark tank in order to drown the present administration in a tsunami of false accusation and hysteria. . . And apparently its working. 

[me]

I'm NOT saying it isn't a problem, but what I am saying is that draconian policy and shoot to kill practices are not the answers to the problem either; short term nor long term. Enforcement of the laws and policies already on the books is the answer in part, but rather than do this some factions of this nations citizenry want to stir up the shark tank in order to drown the present administration in a tsunami of false accusation and hysteria. . . And apparently its working. 

And that is exactly what Arizona is doing.

[Palehorse]

And that is exactly what Arizona is doing.

No, they are not. . .

[me]

No, they are not. . .

Have you read the 10 page law that was passed?

[Palehorse]

Have you read the 10 page law that was passed?

Yes, have you?

[me]

Yes, have you?

Yes and I didn't see anywhere where it said they could just go up to people on the street and question them or ask for papers.