Arizona ... Right or wrong?

[me]

It is a federal law that has been on the books for 40yrs but not enforced with a couple of revisions to the things that didn't work. 

[Palehorse]

It is a federal law that has been on the books for 40yrs but not enforced with a couple of revisions to the things that didn't work.

No. . . it is not. . . But like I said, you'll soon be living the dream if you keep spreading that bullshit thick enough. . .

[Henry Hawk]

It amazes me that our US Attorney General, Eric Holder has not taken the time to read the Arizon Immigration bil, it is 17 pages, and it is very clear about what it can and cannot do:

* SB1070 says police cannot solely consider race, color or national origin.

* It also says officers can only ask during a valid traffic stop or an investigation with probable cause.

* The bill is clear, if you're a U.S. citizen you need local, state or federally issued identification, like a driver's license.
* If you're a naturalized citizen you need your green card or proof of citizenship. But that's already required by the U.S. government, not Arizona.

* The bill is based on U.S. statutes and gives Arizona police the power that federal officers have.

* It's not a new idea. In 1996, the U.S. trained local officers to enforce national immigration laws under the 287(g) program.

* This bill is a bigger extension of that program.

Here is our AG, on CSPAN, discussing the Bill.....take a minute and watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U4tI_qzyH0


I have two questions:

Why in the hell are liberals upset by this bill....AND, what is YOUR solution to this problem that we face...


the bill:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=5&ved=0CCYQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.azleg.gov%2Flegtext%2F49leg%2F2r%2Fbills%2Fsb1070s.pdf&rct=j&q=arizona+immigration+law+text&ei=eojyS7aNNpDIMrOwxZwO&usg=AFQjCNEy4kNlUULpzneBwBTAt0H_9gXF_A&sig2=eUpOivtJHLpZIfJaw4Z-zQ

[Palehorse]

http://www.youtube.com/v/mvUU5x1u3gs&feature=related

[Sandy Eggo]

"Dora is kind of like a blank screen onto which people can project their thoughts and feelings about Latinos," said Erynn Masi de Casanova, a sociology professor at the University of Cincinnati. "They feel like they can say negative things because she's only a cartoon character."

The depictions, whether through irony or protest, are being used by those who oppose and support Arizona's law. On one hand she's a likable symbol who many can relate to, and at the same time, perceived as an outsider who doesn't belong anywhere.

It's not the first time a children's character has been dragged into a serious debate.

In the late 1990s, Tinky Winky the Teletubby, a purple children's TV character with a triangle antenna — was called out by Christian leaders for being gay. Sesame Street roommates Bert and Ernie are often involved in statements on same-sex marriage.

Both shows' producers say the characters aren't gay.

In Dora's case, especially because her image is so widely available, she's an easy target as discussion ramps up on how lawmakers should address the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants living in the United States.

For about a decade, the pint-sized Latina character has taught millions of children the English alphabet, colors and Spanish phrases on a Nickelodeon TV show and through a global empire. Her smiling cherub face is plastered on everything from backpacks to T-shirts to fruit snacks.

But since the passage of the Arizona law — which requires authorities to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally — Dora's life and immigration status have been scrutinized and mocked.

Several websites, including The Huffington Post, have narrated Dora's mock capture by immigration authorities. One picture circulating on Facebook shows an ad for a TV show called "Dora the Illegal Immigrant." On the Facebook page "Dora the Explorer is soo an Illegal Immigrant," there are several images showing her sailing through the air over the U.S.-Mexican border.

Many of the Dora images assume the Latina character is an illegal immigrant from Mexico.

But that's where it gets complicated.

Representatives from Nickelodeon declined to comment on Dora's background, and her place of birth or citizenship have never been clear." She has brown skin, dark hair and some experts who have studied the show say she speaks Spanish with an American accent.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127029175&sc=fb&cc=fp

[Palehorse]

Another 500 million bucks and 1,200 troops are being sent toward the AZ border situation.

[me]

Why? 

Another 500 million bucks and 1,200 troops are being sent toward the AZ border situation.

[Palehorse]

Why?

Those big bad and dangerous aliens. . .

[Henry Hawk]

In a speech Tuesday on the Senate floor, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said the situation on the border has "greatly deteriorated." He called for 6,000 National Guard troops to be sent to the U.S.-Mexico border.
"I appreciate the additional 1,200 being sent ... as well as an additional $500 million, but it's simply not enough," McCain said.....

securing the boarder must be done before this problem can ever be fixed.....

[Palehorse]

In a speech Tuesday on the Senate floor, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said the situation on the border has "greatly deteriorated." He called for 6,000 National Guard troops to be sent to the U.S.-Mexico border.
"I appreciate the additional 1,200 being sent ... as well as an additional $500 million, but it's simply not enough," McCain said.....

securing the boarder must be done before this problem can ever be fixed.....

Where was Mc-Useless and his rhetoric when AZ was screaming about this same shit during the Shrub Years?
He's a "me too" kinda politician and he's wearing a brown shirt too! (Wonder who/what he's drilling?)

The facts are, these funds and troops are ON TOP of that which has already been budgeted for the area, and the troops are to train
individuals for the new permanent positions to be filled.

[Henry Hawk]

Where was Mc-Useless and his rhetoric when AZ was screaming about this same shit during the Shrub Years?
He's a "me too" kinda politician and he's wearing a brown shirt too! (Wonder who/what he's drilling?)

The facts are, these funds and troops are ON TOP of that which has already been budgeted for the area, and the troops are to train
individuals for the new permanent positions to be filled.

that is easily said by someone who is not living in that state.............8 out 10 residents of AZ, are screaming for justice to be done about a real problem that THEY are experiencing....

[Palehorse]

that is easily said by someone who is not living in that state.............8 out 10 residents of AZ, are screaming for justice to be done about a real problem that THEY are experiencing....

Just as loudly and scandalously as they did for 8 years under the Shrub, and each time the USCBP and DHS
made budget adjustments that negatively impacted what they clearly view as entitlement funding.

[Henry Hawk]

Just as loudly and scandalously as they did for 8 years under the Shrub, and each time the USCBP and DHS
made budget adjustments that negatively impacted what they clearly view as entitlement funding.

Okay, just a little reminder.....................................................................Bush is no longer in office.

and since things did not get fixed then, they have gotten worse, and need fixing now..............but, Obama is the golden child, and if he thinks 1,200 troop is enough, then by golly he HAS to be right....he is the annoited one.... RIGHT?

[Palehorse]

Okay, just a little reminder.....................................................................Bush is no longer in office.

And you are just realizing that? 

and since things did not get fixed then, they have gotten worse, and need fixing now..............but, Obama is the golden child, and if he thinks 1,200 troop is enough, then by golly he HAS to be right....he is the annoited one.... RIGHT?

The only ones spewing that flotsam are the brown shirted Texas Tea Party bigots. . .
As for AZ, the only difference between then and now is the POTUS. The Shrub's answer was Operation Jump Start. . .remember that?

[Palehorse]

(CNN) -- The Mexican government is requesting a quick and transparent investigation into the fatal shooting by a U.S. Border Patrol agent of a Mexican teen in Ciudad Juarez on Monday night, the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday.
The teen was shot during a rock-throwing incident, Mexican and U.S. officials said.
Mexico "reiterates that the use of firearms to repel a rock attack represents a disproportionate use of force, particularly coming from authorities who receive specialized training on the matter," the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday in a news release.
The teen's death was the second at the hands of U.S. border authorities in less than two weeks. . .

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/08/texas.border.patrol.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1

Here yah go! Let the slaughter begin!