Federal Judge rules National Day of Prayer statute unconstitutional

[Henry Hawk]

well okay then!!...

[Sandy Eggo]

Facts are like a recipe...toss in a lil' BS and they both become contaminated and more than a lil' difficult to swallow.

[Locutus]

Our Constitution is/was the same back then as it is now...........the principals that are in it are the same then as they are now....it is not a "changing" document.....it is a timeless peice of art that was very well crafted.........and there is a reason for that........because they put God first and foremost in their lives as they was designing that document.

at least that is how I clearly see it.

Interesting.  If that were indeed the case, one would think that ole' god would have found his way INTO the document.  Last I checked, he's nowhere to be found.

[Locutus]

Well it looks like the Obama administration is going to throw the wing-nuts a bone and appeal the ruling. 



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hefv3O3JxnnUE8B4RGl-25-VOtYAD9F8ANJ80

[Henry Hawk]

Well it looks like the Obama administration is going to throw the wing-nuts a bone and appeal the ruling. 



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hefv3O3JxnnUE8B4RGl-25-VOtYAD9F8ANJ80

Crabb ruled atheists and agnostics could sue because they were injured by being made to feel like outsiders on the National Day of Prayer.....what a crock of crap!! 

[Locutus]

I actually agree that the excuse to sue is a crock of crap.  HOWEVER, I do think that this whole statute is senseless and should never have been enacted in the first place.  Xtians don't need the government endorsing their religion any more than the Muslims do.  It's a bad idea all the way around.  The government is and should be secular.

From the ruling:

"However, recognizing the importance of prayer to many people does not mean that the government may enact a statute in support of it, any more than the government may encourage citizens to fast during the month of Ramadan, attend a synagogue, purify themselves in a sweat lodge or practice rune magic. In fact, it is because the nature of prayer is so personal and can have such a powerful effect on a community that the government may not use its authority to try to influence an individual's decision whether and when to pray."

Also from the ruling:

"I understand that many may disagree with that conclusion and some may even view
it as a criticism of prayer or those who pray. That is unfortunate. A determination that the government may not endorse a religious message is not a determination that the message itself is harmful, unimportant or undeserving of dissemination. Rather, it is part of the effort to "carry out the Founders' plan of preserving religious liberty to the fullest extent possible in a pluralistic society." McCreary County, 545 U.S. at 882 (O'Connor, J., concurring). The same law that prohibits the government from declaring a National Day of Prayer also prohibits it from declaring a National Day of Blasphemy."

Now I've attached the complete ruling to this post, not that I think you'll even read it.  I did, and found it to be well thought out and the case well made for the ruling that she handed down.

[Henry Hawk]

Locutus, I totally understand the technicalities that this case has.  Enough so that this will probably be debated for years to come....I also agree that those who beleive in God does NOT need government endorsement to establish a "Day of Prayer".

My opinion is simply this.  As a Christian, I see the value of those folks in this Nation who 'beleive' in prayer and who find it important to put God first and foremost. Those who find the significance of such an event.  I also know that religion IS part of this Countries heritage.  Presidents have turned to God and have publicly endoresed the significance of God and this country since the beginning of this Country.  So, I have personal admiration at any politician, who sincerely WANT's to wear God on his/her shirt sleeves.. (as long as I think they are sincere)...and since I am a Christian, I cannot help but believe promoting God is GOOD for this country......but I honestly do understand where the controversy comes to play.

[The Troll]

Locutus, I totally understand the technicalities that this case has.  Enough so that this will probably be debated for years to come....I also agree that those who beleive in God does NOT need government endorsement to establish a "Day of Prayer".

My opinion is simply this.  As a Christian, I see the value of those folks in this Nation who 'beleive' in prayer and who find it important to put God first and foremost. Those who find the significance of such an event.  I also know that religion IS part of this Countries heritage.  Presidents have turned to God and have publicly endoresed the significance of God and this country since the beginning of this Country.  So, I have personal admiration at any politician, who sincerely WANT's to wear God on his/her shirt sleeves.. (as long as I think they are sincere)...and since I am a Christian, I cannot help but believe promoting God is GOOD for this country......but I honestly do understand where the controversy comes to play.

  It is so simple, just as plain as the nose of your face.  You can do what, when you want.  Your can  pray yourself crazy.  JUST KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT.  What is it, that these people don't seen to understand.  Keep the government out of their religiouns Bullshit.  Just plain and simple.  Leave us alone.

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[Henry Hawk]

How does this bother YOU Troll...you say "leave us alone"..............but when it gets right down to it....How does having a National Day of Prayer hurt you?...........don't pray.

the bottom line is, it doesn't harm NO ONE!...but, means alot to millions.

[Moonglow]

read the constitution, it explains it.

[Henry Hawk]

read the constitution, it explains it.

There is no establishment of religion.....there are simply promoting the general welfare of the people....asking those who WANT to Pray, that there will be one day set aside to pray....there is no MANDATE that everyon HAS to pray....simply recognizing something that our forefathers believed was significant....and asking those who want, to pray for this country....it does NOT violate anyone what so ever.

[Moonglow]

well then it shoulda been a day of national prayer without just a Judean Christian overtone.

[Henry Hawk]

well then it shoulda been a day of national prayer without just a Judean Christian overtone.

all it does ask U.S. citizens "to turn to God in prayer and meditation"...it does not get specific...

[Moonglow]

well the I quess satanist are left out?

[The Troll]

There is no establishment of religion.....there are simply promoting the general welfare of the people....asking those who WANT to Pray, that there will be one day set aside to pray....there is no MANDATE that everyon HAS to pray....simply recognizing something that our forefathers believed was significant....and asking those who want, to pray for this country....it does NOT violate anyone what so ever.

  Henry   Tell me, more than just one, what prayers have you had answered and how may people have been saved from death by prayers, that couldn't be by just by chance.  I awaiting, I am quite sure you have a lot.  I sure never had seen one work.

  I have ask three difference preachers if they ever had a religious experience.  Not one said yes.  Henry, have you ever had a religious experience and where were you and what we're you doing.  I'm really interested.  I wonder if the holy as ever spoke to you.

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