Federal Judge rules National Day of Prayer statute unconstitutional

[pariann]

I can just picture you w/the back of your hand on your forehead...looking off into the distance...semi-swooning...."As god as my witness....."

Is that a Gone With the Wind reference?

[Sandy Eggo]

Yup

[The Troll]

again, I haven't seen any Christians getting all out of sorts on this........I'm sure there are some evagelicals that are working the media for attention....but as God as my witness, people are going to have a national day of prayer with or without any gov approval....and life goes on.

    Evangelist,  I know Evangelist at one time they scared the hell out of me.  It was 1945 or 1946 my mother took us kids to a Evangelist Tent Meeting.  I can remember that night very well.

  It was a very warm night, there were no fans in the tent.  The old church ladies all had their folding fans out, fanning themselves.  I can remember how the tent looked with the lights running down the center of the tent.

  It was a good night, the tent was full.  Our preacher comes out and offers a prayer.  Then he introduces, Ole Fire and Brimestone, Gods number man to stomp out sin.

   The hell in our hearts, our sins, fire,  brimestone, torture and the fiery pits of hell for each an everyone of us, if we didn't get down on our knees and pray.

   He then said, THERE IS NO SINNERS THAT IS IN THIS TENT THAT IS GOING TO BE IN THE 4000 PEOPLE, WHO IS GOING TO THE LORD IN THE RAPTURE.   We are doomed to fight that last fight between God and Lucifer where the blood was going to run to a horses bridle.

  Well, the old ladies started to sobbing and crying, some got down on their knees, some stood with the arms in the air and I was scared to death.

   Then, old Fire and Brimestone told us to come to the alter where he was so kind to pray for us.

  I look back at what that lying sonuvabitch and what he did to the older people who believe this stuff and the kids, you know I despise that man .  For thousands of years, it's been smoke and mirrors.  I don't believe there is a God, if there is, he sure is doing one hell of a bad job working with his flock.  Rapture, some says it in the Bible and some says in not.  I really don't give a damn.  Nothing ever came to me easy, anyway.

  And the National Day of prayer, it's just smoke and mirrors.  Something our government should have nothing in.  If the Christians want it, let them at it, and keep me and the people who think like out of it.

The Troll

[Palehorse]

    Evangelist,  I know Evangelist at one time they scared the hell out of me.  It was 1945 or 1946 my mother took us kids to a Evangelist Tent Meeting.  I can remember that night very well.

  It was a very warm night, there were no fans in the tent.  The old church ladies all had their folding fans out, fanning themselves.  I can remember how the tent looked with the lights running down the center of the tent.

  It was a good night, the tent was full.  Our preacher comes out and offers a prayer.  Then he introduces, Ole Fire and Brimestone, Gods number man to stomp out sin.

   The hell in our hearts, our sins, fire,  brimestone, torture and the fiery pits of hell for each an everyone of us, if we didn't get down on our knees and pray.

   He then said, THERE IS NO SINNERS THAT IS IN THIS TENT THAT IS GOING TO BE IN THE 4000 PEOPLE, WHO IS GOING TO THE LORD IN THE RAPTURE.   We are doomed to fight that last fight between God and Lucifer where the blood was going to run to a horses bridle.

  Well, the old ladies started to sobbing and crying, some got down on their knees, some stood with the arms in the air and I was scared to death.

   Then, old Fire and Brimestone told us to come to the alter where he was so kind to pray for us.

  I look back at what that lying sonuvabitch and what he did to the older people who believe this stuff and the kids, you know I despise that man .  For thousands of years, it's been smoke and mirrors.  I don't believe there is a God, if there is, he sure is doing one hell of a bad job working with his flock.  Rapture, some says it in the Bible and some says in not.  I really don't give a damn.  Nothing ever came to me easy, anyway.

  And the National Day of prayer, it's just smoke and mirrors.  Something our government should have nothing in.  If the Christians want it, let them at it, and keep me and the people who think like out of it.

The Troll

Amen Brother Troll! Preach it on!  (A+++)

[Henry Hawk]

     Something our government should have nothing in.  If the Christians want it, let them at it, and keep me and the people who think like out of it.

The Troll

JUST, because a POTUS declares a "day".. and National Day of Prayer, does NOT mean YOU have to participate....it simply tells the world, that WE, as a Majority, STILL recognize the importance of Prayer....as did our forefathers as it IS an important part of our Heritage....it seems like it is the ANTI- religious is getting there panties all stuck up their crawl....if you don't like it, don't pray....it is REALLY that simple.

[The Troll]

JUST, because a POTUS declares a "day".. and National Day of Prayer, does NOT mean YOU have to participate....it simply tells the world, that WE, as a Majority, STILL recognize the importance of Prayer....as did our forefathers as it IS an important part of our Heritage....it seems like it is the ANTI- religious is getting there panties all stuck up their crawl....if you don't like it, don't pray....it is REALLY that simple.

  Henry, you guys you have 75% of the religious, I sure like to see how many really are.  This is not a democracy.  Do what you want, just keep me and my ilk out of it.

The Troll

[Henry Hawk]

  Henry, you guys you have 75% of the religious, I sure like to see how many really are.  This is not a democracy.  Do what you want, just keep me and my ilk out of it.

The Troll

How does declaring a National Day of Prayer effect you?....How does it bring one ounce of harm to you?

[The Troll]

How does declaring a National Day of Prayer effect you?....How does it bring one ounce of harm to you?

  Does gay marriage bother you?  Does a woman have the right to do, what she think are right for her own body and condition.  Like having an abortion. bother you?

  I know what, you could get Ted Haggart, Jimmy Sweiggart, Pat Robertson, Joel Osteen, Terry Randell and Tony Perkins go on their religious shows and promote it.  There such good people.

The Troll 

[Henry Hawk]

  Does gay marriage bother you?  Does a woman have the right to do, what she think are right for her own body and condition.  Like having an abortion. bother you?

  I know what, you could get Ted Haggart, Jimmy Sweiggart, Pat Robertson, Joel Osteen, Terry Randell and Tony Perkins go on their religious shows and promote it.  There such good people.

The Troll 

I don't watch or support ANY TV Evangelist by the way....and you STILL did not answer my question....which gets back to my point, do you ever read what I post?

[The Troll]

  I thought it was a silly question.  Does it bother me that the The United States of America would support religion of any kind and for any reason.  YES, YES, YES, YES.

   Answer my question. does gay marriage bother you.  Does a woman exercising her right to have an abortion, brother you. 

The Troll

[Henry Hawk]

  I thought it was a silly question.  Does it bother me that the The United States of America would support religion of any kind and for any reason.  YES, YES, YES, YES.

   Answer my question. does gay marriage bother you.  Does a woman exercising her right to have an abortion, brother you. 

The Troll

Gay marriage, I think is wrong, but none of my business when it gets down to....abortion in my opinion is wrong unless the mother's life is endangered...it is killing...plain and simple...

my question to you was "How does declaring a National Day of Prayer effect you?....How does it bring one ounce of harm to you?"

[The Troll]

Gay marriage, I think is wrong, but none of my business when it gets down to....abortion in my opinion is wrong unless the mother's life is endangered...it is killing...plain and simple...

my question to you was "How does declaring a National Day of Prayer effect you?....How does it bring one ounce of harm to you?"

  Is killing America's finest in Iraq all right with you?  Killing Iraqi people all right with you?

  Having the government authorizing  a National Day of Prayer is just flat wrong.  Let me quote some quotes from from two founding fathers.

  1797 Treaty of Tripoli.  President John Adams.  "The government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

   Thomas Jefferson 4/11/1823.  Letter to John Adams.  "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his Father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter".

  Bother me personally, NO.  But the Christians are like camels.  First the nose under the tent.  Next the head in the tent, Next the whole body body in the tent.  Next the camel gets afraid and runs away with the whole tent.  This is one reason why the Christians want prayer in school, they brain wash the kids, before they are too old to resist.

  I do not want to stop you from having a day of prayer.  Just keep the government out of it.  Remember what you said.  You want a smaller government.

The Troll.   


 

[Henry Hawk]

  Is killing America's finest in Iraq all right with you?  Killing Iraqi people all right with you?

  Having the government authorizing  a National Day of Prayer is just flat wrong.  Let me quote some quotes from from two founding fathers.

  1797 Treaty of Tripoli.  President John Adams.  "The government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

   Thomas Jefferson 4/11/1823.  Letter to John Adams.  "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his Father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter".

  Bother me personally, NO.  But the Christians are like camels.  First the nose under the tent.  Next the head in the tent, Next the whole body body in the tent.  Next the camel gets afraid and runs away with the whole tent.  This is one reason why the Christians want prayer in school, they brain wash the kids, before they are too old to resist.

  I do not want to stop you from having a day of prayer.  Just keep the government out of it.  Remember what you said.  You want a smaller government.

The Troll. 

First of all, calling for a National Day of Prayer does NOT increase the size of government.....okay?

second, our first Continental Congress, believed it to be important, because THEY called for a National Day of Prayer
in 1775....So did Abraham Lincoln and many other Presidents.....They are NOT mandating everyone to be religious or become a Christian....They are simply asking THOSE who believe in the power of Prayer, do so.  And to pray specifically for our Nation....You see, Troll, our forefathers for the most part were very "religious" folks....even Patrick Henry once said...

"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

In 1782, the United States Congress voted this resolution: "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."

also On July 4, 1821, President Adams said: "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this "It connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."


Okay, so we can play the quote game all day.....now listen to me....here is MY personal take on this topic...I am a Christian, meaning I believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God....I also believe that the men who help developed our Nation was also believers in God....it is MY belief that God Blessed this Nation, because of these men....these guys felt the strong compassionate importance of God's role in their lives....but like everything else, they realized that all men had to have free will to accept God....it could NEVER be forced upon anyone.....all they could do is build a nation of Liberty and freedom....and give all it's people a place to worship if they desired too....but, they themselves realized the significance of keeping God as part of their lives and decision making...and they ALL realized the power of prayer.

President James Madison, the primary author of the Constitution said this: "We have staked the whole future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments."

Consider these words of Thomas Jefferson which he wrote in the front flyleaf of his Bible: "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our creator". Jefferson was also the chairman of the American Bible Society.

It is the same Congress that formed the "American Bible Society" immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence and that the Continental Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of the King James Bible for the people of this nation.

So Troll, I have my very strong reasons for believing the way I do on this subject.....Nobody is forcing any religion on anyone....there is no Laws that force anyone to believe a certain way....but, like it or not, the Bible and Prayer was a HUGE part of this Nations heritage.

(Please don't put any other words in my mouth other than what i have written.)

Hank

[Moonglow]

but, like it or not, the Bible and Prayer was a HUGE part of this Nations heritage.
Even the bible tells u how to treat your slaves, hell, Christ had slaves also, he also told women they were of no importance, and he didn't let those landless commoners vote for the president and vice president. That is how this nation started, shouldn't we be condoning the same?

[The Troll]

but, like it or not, the Bible and Prayer was a HUGE part of this Nations heritage.
Even the bible tells u how to treat your slaves, hell, Christ had slaves also, he also told women they were of no importance, and he didn't let those landless commoners vote for the president and vice president. That is how this nation started, shouldn't we be condoning the same?

  You know, I don't give a damn what happened way back, when.  This is the Twenty-First Century.  The people from the bible and the founders of this country didn't know about germs, stem cells, automobiles, electrical power, atomic power, computers. science and on and on and on.

   We can't base our lives on what people thought way, way back then.  We know one thing, the founding fathers wanted freedom from religion and the Pope and the Church of England.

  We can pretty well guess that most of the people in the bible, the multitude was illiterate, except the the religious who was conning them.

The Troll