What should we do to someone who kills 29 men in a coal mine.

[LOsborne]

thanks me, I'm sure it will be somehow disregarded or something is just wrong with it...

Yeah, I'm afraid so. youtube is not a credible source for anything. Get me the originals of the copied-and-pasted-and-carefully-edited-out-of-context clips and we can talk.

[me]

Yeah, I'm afraid so. youtube is not a credible source for anything. Get me the originals of the copied-and-pasted-and-carefully-edited-out-of-context clips and we can talk.

How is it when HH and I put up something on Youtube it's always said to be edited and yet when anyone else uses it as an example it's gospel?  I'm  not saying you do that so much but others do.  Oh, and for the record those aren't edited it is what it is.

[LOsborne]

I don't use youtube as a source of anything but entertainment. I haven't seen anyone else use it as a factual source either -- other than me and the Hawk. C'mon, me, if the clips are factual, and not taken out of context, then they are available in the original. Just show them to me. That's all I'm asking.

But don't devalue you own, and my intelligence by asking me to accept them as a source of fact.

[Henry Hawk]

Yeah, I'm afraid so. youtube is not a credible source for anything. Get me the originals of the copied-and-pasted-and-carefully-edited-out-of-context clips and we can talk.

but THEN, it would be a libelous, fictitious story... and I would THEN have have a notarized, hand-written statement, with the actual people signing it their very own DNA tested blood?...

hey, take it or leave it.....My point was strictly designed to the Trollmeister....who NEVER leaves any sort of source what-so-ever....

the thing is I gave like three clips and I can get several more...and I saw NONE that disputed it.....maybe I should put the shoe on the other foot and you prove me wrong.........Olias has THAT done to a science...

[LOsborne]

.....My point was strictly designed to the Trollmeister....who NEVER leaves any sort of source what-so-ever....

Ah. Sorry. I don't read his stuff, so I missed your discussion. But from what I remember, that's true. Carry on. Any source, no matter how poorly credentialed, trumps no source at all.

[Moonglow]

CEO's at Masseys should be swinging by a rope.

[LOsborne]

This mine ceiling collapse was a couple of weeks after the West Virginia debacle that left 29 dead.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/jul/07/state-safety-office-cites-dotiki-mine-roof-fall-fa/

As you can see (if you read the link,) the Kentucky Office of Mine Safety and Licensing has cited the mine for safety violations, and referred it to Mine Safety Review Commission for action. The penalty could be a fine equaling the value of up to 10 days of gross daily coal production.

That's cool. After all, two people died. But I haven't heard anything about penalties charged to Massey Energy for the West VA explosion. Has anybody else?

[Palehorse]

Nope. They probably got their payoffs in just before that oil well exploded. . . 

[The Troll]

Nope. They probably got their payoffs in just before that oil well exploded. . . 

  Yes, it is amazing how fast men can die in a mine accident and how fast their story can die on TV News.

[LOsborne]

And the hits just keep on comin'.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/jul/09/coal-miner-killed-underground-accident/

[Palehorse]

And the hits just keep on comin'.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/jul/09/coal-miner-killed-underground-accident/

As long as their lights stay on and their family doesn't have to work there, most people plain old don't give a damned unless it is "fashionable" to lambaste the industry, or there are political points to be gained! 

[The Troll]

And the hits just keep on comin'.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/jul/09/coal-miner-killed-underground-accident/

  Yeah, hits just keep on comin'.  I can understand someone being hit and killed by heavy equipment.   All it takes is one millisecond to step in front of these heavy machines and WAMO your dead.

  In 38 years at Ford we never had anyone killed.  But, oh my god did we have some close ones.
One day a woman, I seen this myself, was leaving the assembly line for her break.  She was looking in her purse and step in front of a Hi Lo, which was loaded with about 3  tons of steering gears which couldn't have stopped, made a sharp right turn dumping his load brushing the woman and knocking the purse out of her hand.  You ought have seen the dirty look she gave the driver for knocking the purse out of her hand and called the Hi Lo driver out of his name.

  But something has to be done about the punishment of the safety violations.  The fine's they are giving the criminal mine owners is less that they put out paying people off.  We need jail time and some felony convictions.  Tho I don't like to seen it done, I think there is to many have felony raps put on people, that should not be.  But in this case, let's get her done.  Charge them with a felony, let them stand before a judge and jury, make them sweat.  Eventho if they are not convicted, the spot light they were in and the cost of attorney fees will definitely put a new slant to the way they have been doing business.

[The Troll]

   Yesterday, Don Blankenship CEO of Massey Energy, said he felt no guilt of shame in the deaths in his company's mine.  He said that his engineers knew more about mining than the government inspectors.  He also said that all of the government regulations were the cause of the accidents.  And there was nothing wrong with the ventilation in the mine, where the men died.

  No morals, on conscience and no honor.  Just evil greed.  This man need to be in prison and financially broken.