What should we do to someone who kills 29 men in a coal mine.

[The Troll]

I disagree with you or you simply don't read well, because there are several posts that you say that I say something that I DID NOT SAY....I think you are simply "jumping the gun" and making your OWN conclusions in "MOST" cases...for instance, I never said I "hate" Unions........I did say, I despise the local UAW, based upon first hand experience....You has also somehow concluded I hate poor people and sick little kids...JUST because I don't particularly like "THIS" healthcare bill....you are correct, we are wired differently to have such vast differences of opinions....but, I think we are NOT apart as you may believe.  Troll, YOU are one of the reasons WHY I started on these forums....I HONESTLY want to "try" to understand How and Why, liberals and Conservatives believe so compassionately as we do...I am trying to understand what makes some of "you guys"  (  ) think the way you do... .

People like Palehorse and others on here have done wonders of expressing themselves to where I actually understand WHY they have their beliefs, not that I have changed my views, but I do have a better understanding on "some" key issues.

[The Troll]

   We'll see, and we'll read.  I know you had one big brain fart.  When you said I was naive.   You denied and denied it, couldn't have been you, until one of the fine forum friends remaind you, that you did say it.

   You said, you despised the local UAW because your uncle and his buddies and the thousand of good hard working UAW workers in Local 662 and Local 663 destroyed Anderson, Indiana.  (my favorate word)  You should read the book "Inside General Motors" and "Supercapitalism".  It's not the unions that caused the problems we are having now.  It's your Republican Party that destroyed all of the laws that kept the lying, cheating, greedy, corrupt supercapitalist from stealing all of OUR MONEY AND ALL OF OUR JOBS!

     To me there is little difference between despise and hate.  Like when I say I despise the Republican Party as it stand now.  Mean I hate the Republican Party as it stand now.

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[Henry Hawk]

Let me make one thing very clear, I am not saying that Big Business has not done it's part in f'ing up some good things in this country...and I am not saying that the repubs is in way, shape or form a clean party....but there is plenty of cheating, greedy and corrupting going on by the democrat party also....and NAFTA, the biggest culprit in destroying our Auto Industry was signed into Law by the democrats...you have folks like Barney Frank who has the most blood on his hands with the sub-prime mortgage crisis...and folks like Charles Rangel, Jack Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Chris Dodd, Kent Conrad, Chuck Schumer....they have laundy lists a mile long..........so, I understand when you say there is a fine line between despise and hate....I choose to use I despise these folks....also for the fact that democrats want nothing more than Gov take more and more control of our lives...they thing that gov can solve all problems, I think they ARE the problem....and personaly I like our capitalistic, form of free enterprise, and letting Amercian entreprenuers build America, by keeping Uncle Sam out of the picture as much as possible....

[The Troll]

  Henry, I don't know where you get all of you information.  It's got to be Fox News and Rush Limpaw.  You should have a picture of your favorites presidents  Ronald Reagan, George 42 Bush, the best Republican president, you Republicans ever had, Bill Clinton and the biggest joke you ever had George W. Bush.

   Let me say it one more time.  NAFTA was signed and sealed in Canada in 1969 By the president of Mexico, the prime minister of Canada and George 42 Bush.  It passed in 1970 or so, by a Republican controlled Congress.  The Republicans vote 100% and the 50% of the Democrats voted for it and it was signed by, the One Worlder, Rhodes Scholar and the best Republican President Bill Clinton.

  Henry, the Democrats did not cause the Housing Bubble Burst.  If was caused by Phil Gramm.  His wife was working for Enron with a salary of almost $1 million dollars a year and with Kenneth Lay and his buddies wanting to destroy the Glass-Steagall Act.  In 1999 Phil Gramm and two other Republicans slipped in a 262-page amendment into the Omnibus appropriations bill titled: Commodity Futures Modernization Act.  That dropped all of the restrictions on the bankers and the Stockmarket.  Henry, you got to stop reading the editorial page of HB news, Fox and Rush. 

   You say I go overboard about what you say.  The next time you say the Democrats have done something, don't use hearsay.  Give me some real facts that I can look up.

  There is nothing the Democrats have done to destroy your freedoms.  It's all in your mind.  If they have, tell what law they have made to destroy your freedom.  Not what someone has put into you head, nothing but the facts.

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[Palehorse]

In the U.S., Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the signing prior to the end of his term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and signing into law to incoming president Bill Clinton. Prior to sending it to the House of Representatives, Clinton introduced clauses to protect American workers and allay the concerns of many House members. It also required U.S. partners to adhere to environmental practices and regulations similar to its own. The ability to enforce these clauses, especially with Mexico, and with much consideration and emotional discussion the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, by a vote of 234 to 200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994.

NAFTA was signed into law by Bill Clinton, (DEMOCRAT), as posted above in the quote. Here's the source I am quoting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

*I know its Wiki, but all the sources out there agree so I just used it.*

[Henry Hawk]

NAFTA was signed into law by Bill Clinton, (DEMOCRAT), as posted above in the quote. Here's the source I am quoting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

*I know its Wiki, but all the sources out there agree so I just used it.*

Thanks Palehorse, I was just about to post this very link....

Troll, I will support my claims on the housing bubble tomorrow....I have to leave now and go to my boys little league practice.

[The Troll]

  Well, I did say that Bill Clinton signed the bill, NAFTA. 

  It a little like the joke.  One Sunday morning the preacher got up in front of his flock and said, "I have heard some very bad things, someone called our piano player a sonuvabitch.  He looked and looked out over his people, nothing.  Just then in the back row Bessie the old church lady raised her hand.  The preacher said, "Bessie did you call our piano player a sonuvabitch."  No said Bessie.  "What I want to know is, who's the idiot that called him a piano player.

    What idiot called Bill Clinton a Democrat.

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[Henry Hawk]

   You say I go overboard about what you say.  The next time you say the Democrats have done something, don't use hearsay.  Give me some real facts that I can look up.

you need to do the same thing, try backing up your hearsay...

[The Troll]

  OK Henry, this should be simple.  Give me some questions and I'll answer them

  Then I get to ask you some questions and  you will answer them.  This should be real fun.  I not the dumbass plumber you think I am.  Like an old man, long since passed.  A millionare told me.  I would rather be under estimated than over estimated.  It's has made a lot of money.  I took it to heart.  Have at it, Henry. 

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[Henry Hawk]

first of all, I dont think you are a dumbass....

second, I have a lot on my plate today, but I will jump in as time allows....

Have at it.

hank..

[Henry Hawk]

   Henry, the Democrats did not cause the Housing Bubble Burst. 

  The next time you say the Democrats have done something, don't use hearsay.  Give me some real facts that I can look up.

  There is nothing the Democrats have done to destroy your freedoms.  It's all in your mind.  If they have, tell what law they have made to destroy your freedom.  Not what someone has put into you head, nothing but the facts.

The Troll 

We can get to who caused the housing bubble, but the dems sure didn't do anything to stop it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE

and especially THIS!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related

[Henry Hawk]

and THIS does a great job of explaining wHY we are in the mess we are in today.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmL-lXNy64&feature=PlayList&p=F6B22E96F0518555&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=34

[me]

Kind of hard to blame Bush now huh?  Thanks for finding these links HH I wasn't having much luck but you put it together rather well.

We can get to who caused the housing bubble, but the dems sure didn't do anything to stop it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE

and especially THIS!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related

and THIS does a great job of explaining wHY we are in the mess we are in today.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmL-lXNy64&feature=PlayList&p=F6B22E96F0518555&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=34

[Henry Hawk]

thanks me, I'm sure it will be somehow disregarded or something is just wrong with it...

[followsthewolf]

Sure got far afield from the mine disaster in West Virginia.