Obama Slams Health Care Critics For Spreading "Outlandish Rumors"

[Henry Hawk]

The last eight years have proven that.

I just KNEW that one was coming as I typed it....

[Bo D]

I just KNEW that one was coming as I typed it....

What can I say? You stepped into that pile with both feet!

[Palehorse]

Health insurance premiums for family coverage in Indiana rose an estimated 116 percent from 2000 through 2009, according to a separate report released Wednesday by Families USA, a Washington-based consumer-advocacy group. During that same period, the median earnings of Indiana workers rose by about 15 percent.

Family coverage in Indiana now carries an average annual premium of $14,355, up from about $6,628 in 2000, the group said.

And they are going up yet again next year, with 42% of employers saying they will pass along the increase to their employees. (9%).

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS/908200447/Health+insurance+set+to+take+big+jump

But we don't need this healthcare reform bill right now. . .

Wellpoint enacts a 38% INCREASE in monthly premiums for health care coverage in ONE year!

Like I said back in August, we either rein them in or everyone suffers the consequences of an industry mandating what it can charge and what it will cover. Now even more "fixed income" individuals will be priced right out of the market, more uninsured, more unemployed, higher healthcare costs and unreasonable coverage premiums. This article validates my statement from August.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20100211/BUSINESS03/2110419/Hoosiers-livid-at-WellPoint-rates

Read this "anecdotal tale" and live it when you get your paychecks. The head of the snake will be followed by the rest of it, so if you think "its only wellpoint" better think again. . .

But we better stop, start over, and debate it for another year. . .

[Henry Hawk]

How about solutions with LESS bureaucracy that is being imposed?....there are possible solutions that are NOT being heard, or even debated.....

don't blame the "right"...because those on the left can bring it to a vote...they "should" have the votes....but, they don't because even those on the left don't like what is being proposed....or this thing would be passed already.

Obama needs to "lead" ... if he want's this thing as badly as he says he does....imo

[Palehorse]

While "we" are all busy trying to load up the blame for this cluster funk on each other, they will reap in billions more in profits while denying billions in coverage.

I think all of this is a case of Munchhausen syndrome; exasperated by the cash flow from the insurance industry.

[Henry Hawk]

passing ANYTHING, just for the sake of PASSING something, is irresponsible.....I whole heartedily support "healthcare reform"....desperately!....but, IF, government is going to be MORE control over MY healthcare, then I oppose it.....but, frankly, right now, I don't have ANY say, because those with the power to make the decision do NOT represent my views....so, like I said, IF, anything is better than nothing....the democrats can vote this thing in tomorrow, IF they want.

[me]

While "we" are all busy trying to load up the blame for this cluster funk on each other, they will reap in billions more in profits while denying billions in coverage.

I think all of this is a case of Munchhausen syndrome; exasperated by the cash flow from the insurance industry.

How do you figure that?

[Palehorse]

How do you figure that?

In Münchausen syndrome, the affected person exaggerates or creates symptoms of illnesses in themselves in order to gain investigation, treatment, attention, sympathy, and comfort from medical personnel.

In the case in point, I submit that the opposition to health care reform is exaggerating imagined problems, or "illnesses", with the heath care initiative in order to obtain preferential treatment from the medical industry and the sympathy of the sheeple they have created.  Actually a hybrid of true Münchausen syndrome and Münchausen syndrome by proxy.

[Palehorse]

passing ANYTHING, just for the sake of PASSING something, is irresponsible.....I whole heartedily support "healthcare reform"....desperately!....but, IF, government is going to be MORE control over MY healthcare, then I oppose it.....but, frankly, right now, I don't have ANY say, because those with the power to make the decision do NOT represent my views....so, like I said, IF, anything is better than nothing....the democrats can vote this thing in tomorrow, IF they want.

Sheesh. . . To state it simply the government is only going to regulate the insurance industry, not the medical care you require and receive. . .

Pay attention and analyze the crap you've obviously been listening to and reading, and you will find that the propaganda is being generated by the very industry this reform means to regulate. The health care industry's profit levels are only exceeded by those of the oil industry, yet both continue imposing unreasonable increases for their products with little to no validation for such increases. The puppet masters behind the lion's share of the discord this country is undergoing right now. . . 

[me]

In Münchausen syndrome, the affected person exaggerates or creates symptoms of illnesses in themselves in order to gain investigation, treatment, attention, sympathy, and comfort from medical personnel.

In the case in point, I submit that the opposition to health care reform is exaggerating imagined problems, or "illnesses", with the heath care initiative in order to obtain preferential treatment from the medical industry and the sympathy of the sheeple they have created.  Actually a hybrid of true Münchausen syndrome and Münchausen syndrome by proxy.

And you're sure it's not the other parties involved doing this? 

[Palehorse]

And you're sure it's not the other parties involved doing this?

What "other parties"? I said "opposition" which is inclusive of anyone in opposition to this reform and those undertaking actions to delay it.  I don't care if they are jackasses, leopards, or elephants, they're opposition.
(And they're all standing in the insurance industry payroll line thanks to the recent SCOTUS decision, which exacerbated the problem 100 fold).

[Henry Hawk]

Sheesh. . . To state it simply the government is only going to regulate the insurance industry, not the medical care you require and receive. . .

Pay attention and analyze the crap you've obviously been listening to and reading, and you will find that the propaganda is being generated by the very industry this reform means to regulate. The health care industry's profit levels are only exceeded by those of the oil industry, yet both continue imposing unreasonable increases for their products with little to no validation for such increases. The puppet masters behind the lion's share of the discord this country is undergoing right now. . . 

do you have any PROOF of your statements?......can you sit there and tell me, that you have read the Bill and fully understand it...I see it as the propaganda is coming from the left....saying how much money THEY are going to save us....IF they can merely regulate the industry.  THEY regulated our energy, and now that is a $29 BILLION a year industry...with 16,000 federal employees'....THEY regulated our Agriculture for $116 Billion a year with 96,000 employees'....THEY regulater our Housing for $65 Billion a year with 9,600 employees' and 3600 pages of regulations...and THAT has went over very well...

we have gov trasportation ie amtrak...(bankrupt)....VA.. (bankrupt)....Social Security (heading there)...US Post Office (Bankrupt) ..Medicare (bankrupt)

While all of these programs had good intentions.....we cannot PAY for these programs, they lose money EVERY year...and the costs keep rising, and the corruption in these programs huge....protected by our elected officials.

I agree there HAS to be a "certain" amount of federal regulations, but they need to be abided by the private industry....and open up a competitive market in ALL phases of our daily needs....

[Locutus]

Sheesh. . . To state it simply the government is only going to regulate the insurance industry, not the medical care you require and receive. . .

Pay attention and analyze the crap you've obviously been listening to and reading, and you will find that the propaganda is being generated by the very industry this reform means to regulate. The health care industry's profit levels are only exceeded by those of the oil industry, yet both continue imposing unreasonable increases for their products with little to no validation for such increases. The puppet masters behind the lion's share of the discord this country is undergoing right now. . . 

^^

And that's a good case in point as to why that Supreme Court ruling was so terribly wrong.  We're only in for more of the propaganda generated by large corporations. 

[Palehorse]

do you have any PROOF of your statements?......can you sit there and tell me, that you have read the Bill and fully understand it...I see it as the propaganda is coming from the left....saying how much money THEY are going to save us....IF they can merely regulate the industry.  THEY regulated our energy, and now that is a $29 BILLION a year industry...with 16,000 federal employees'....THEY regulated our Agriculture for $116 Billion a year with 96,000 employees'....THEY regulater our Housing for $65 Billion a year with 9,600 employees' and 3600 pages of regulations...and THAT has went over very well...

we have gov trasportation ie amtrak...(bankrupt)....VA.. (bankrupt)....Social Security (heading there)...US Post Office (Bankrupt) ..Medicare (bankrupt)

While all of these programs had good intentions.....we cannot PAY for these programs, they lose money EVERY year...and the costs keep rising, and the corruption in these programs huge....protected by our elected officials.

I agree there HAS to be a "certain" amount of federal regulations, but they need to be abided by the private industry....and open up a competitive market in ALL phases of our daily needs....

Proof: Its out there Henry if you'll just exercise a little initiative and look for it. We've been over this ground so many times it has ruts the size of the grand canyon in it. Some of that information is within this very forum too.

Amtrak, VA, SS, etc., all government run entities, unlike what is being proposed here.

The government regulates the medical industry via the FDA/AMA, the airline industry via the FAA, as well as the nuclear industry and many others, and does so with what many would call success. Many of the programs and SOP's created by these same regulations have become the "gold standard" within the private corporations and entities that fall under the jurisdiction of the various regulatory bodies of the federal government.

The DOT (Department of Transportation) regulates the transportation industry, and has nothing to do with Amtrak's day to day operations. The National Railroad Passenger Corporation is responsible for Amtrak.

The FHA is a governmental agency created under the National Housing Act of 1934. It's stated goals are to improve housing standards and conditions, and to provide adequate housing financing through the insuring of mortgage loans in an effort to stabilize the housing market. This government agency is responsible for assisting millions of American families in successfully obtaining a home of their own each and every year.

For the record they had nothing to do with the collapse of the mortgage industry; the banks and private financial institutions who skirted regulatory practices and overlooked qualification requirements own that baby; outright. 

What exactly is your problem with the Department of Agriculture? I fail to see how their employees are contributing to the current problem, unless it is the fact we are paying them to do the jobs that need doing. Or maybe you want diseased animals,empty fields, and inferior vegetables and other food-stuffs in our food stream?

Yes, these regulatory bodies create and maintain job opportunities. They have to and what is wrong with that? Especially since historically governmental legislation, treaties, and agreements enacted under previous administrations has driven the textile and manufacturing industries out of the country. Those individuals holding positions within these regulatory bodies are the ones responsible for ensuring that private and publicly held entities that fall within their jurisdiction operate within compliance at all times.

Regulation of the insurance industry is imperative to the future success of this country and its people. Stalling only enables them to increase the choke hold they now have upon us.

Expecting perfection out of the gate from our government is like asking the fox to watch over the hen house. Ludicrous and illogical. We have to start somewhere, but apparently the majority within congress feel we don't have to start at all.

The fact is those presently enjoying the fruits of the insurance industry are the very ones espousing the propaganda at the top of their lungs and engaging in the proliferation of lies, half-truths, and stalling; thereby brainwashing the sheeple into their "the sky is falling" campaign. They don't want to see their cash flow interrupted at such a poor economic juncture as is now present, so naturally they're going to do everything they can to prevent it. They look at the passage of any health care reform initiative that is not 100% endorsed and approved by the insurance industry as a direct threat to their way of life, and could not give a rats ass about how it impacts the average American.

And the recent SCOTUS decision only serves to increase the sway of the almighty dollar upon this milestone. 

Did I read the original bill? Asked and answered at least a dozen times, but yes, I did. And links to it were also provided as well as futile attempts at putting the verbiage into layman's terms by several on this forum.

As for what it contains now, in its present form? No, it changes almost daily and as you are so fond of espousing, "is chock full of lots of pork" I am sure. It was the last time I re-read it and I am sure it has only increased. The POTUS says it has and I believe him.

By the way, this is a rhetorical question; Did your pay go up 38% this year? I doubt it, but you'll be shelling out 38% more to keep that health care coverage you have. This increase is unprecedented and even the very best numbers crunchers in the industry projected 100% increases in insurance premiums over the next decade; a forecast they are in all likelihood revisiting since 38% of that projection was just gobbled up in one year! 

[Y]

Dear RW'ers,

A question.  If you are so against societal concepts - doing things for the benefit of the group like health care etc. - why is it you don't just run your children off from the old homestead and let them fend for themselves?

I await your response,

Y (a member of the human race)