Obama Slams Health Care Critics For Spreading "Outlandish Rumors"

[Exterminator]

Henry to them all of we critics on either side are hate mongers, racist's, and ignorant.

Absolutely!  It isn't simply a coincidence that the two most vocal opponents of this bill on this forum are also the two people here who can't quite figure out when to use saw instead of seen or were instead of was.

Hell,they don't even see that we are saying yes, we do need some kind of reform just not what is being proposed at this time.

Sure, I hear you but I don't believe for a minute that you have any idea what is being proposed and your posts support my position.

They think it can just be passed and then worked out and it just don't work that way.

That is exactly how it works with any system (and apparently I should have used doesn't and don't in my examples above as well).

[Palehorse]

is THAT the sound of SHEEPle I hear?.....

Baaaah! Bahhhhh! Baaaaah!

Yes. . . in fact it is.

[Henry Hawk]

Yes. . . in fact it is.

and of course it was coming from ....... YOU

[Palehorse]

and of course it was coming from ....... YOU

No. . . I'm not the sheep and certainly not the parrot either! 

[LOsborne]

"liberal".....which is JUST another word for socialist....

And freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose.  Join my revolution TODAY!

[followsthewolf]

Wow.

You ARE a Joplin junkie, aren't you?

Yeah. Me, too. 

[LOsborne]

Awww, wolfie, you're jes tryin' to take another li'l piece of my heart.

[me]

I think he'd like to come down on me with a ball and chain most of the time....

[LOsborne]

You're being too hard on yourself, me. You need to trust me, and try just a little bit harder.

[followsthewolf]

Awww, wolfie, you're jes tryin' to take another li'l piece of my heart.

You know you got it, if it makes you feel good, now

[Palehorse]

Health insurance premiums for family coverage in Indiana rose an estimated 116 percent from 2000 through 2009, according to a separate report released Wednesday by Families USA, a Washington-based consumer-advocacy group. During that same period, the median earnings of Indiana workers rose by about 15 percent.

Family coverage in Indiana now carries an average annual premium of $14,355, up from about $6,628 in 2000, the group said.

And they are going up yet again next year, with 42% of employers saying they will pass along the increase to their employees. (9%).

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS/908200447/Health+insurance+set+to+take+big+jump

But we don't need this healthcare reform bill right now. . .

[me]

Never did get an answer to this question.   

You know it's odd.  I didn't support Hillary's bill which wasn't near as encompassing as this one, or some of Bush's health care reforms but I wasn't called selfish, a liar, or told I was ignorant, a racist, a hate monger, selfish, or any of the other things that are being said by the liberals now about anyone who disagrees with congress or the president.  What is so different?  Why are things getting to the point where no one can disagree now without that happening.   
Could someone please explain that without all the name calling.  It appears to me to be divide and conquer because that seems to be what is happening lately.  Shout down and belittle the opposition until they give in or give up.  Stand back and look at the whole picture not just your little safety zone of which ever side you happen to be on.

[Exterminator]

Health insurance premiums for family coverage in Indiana rose an estimated 116 percent from 2000 through 2009, according to a separate report released Wednesday by Families USA, a Washington-based consumer-advocacy group. During that same period, the median earnings of Indiana workers rose by about 15 percent.

Family coverage in Indiana now carries an average annual premium of $14,355, up from about $6,628 in 2000, the group said.

And they are going up yet again next year, with 42% of employers saying they will pass along the increase to their employees. (9%).

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS/908200447/Health+insurance+set+to+take+big+jump

But we don't need this healthcare reform bill right now. . .

The single minded thinkers (and I use the term loosely) can't see how much this costs the economy or why the large price tag is an investment.

[Exterminator]

Stand back and look at the whole picture...

I think it's you who isn't looking at the whole picture.

[Palehorse]

How yah like it?

What is so different?  Why are things getting to the point where no one can disagree now without that happening.

Name one thing, just one, that any of you have supported since this POTUS took the oath. Let me help you; "There isn't anything"!  Nothing but opposition since January, and in fact the negativity started the day after the election. I find it amazing to see how staunch steadfast support was exhibited while the Chimp was in office, and he was spending just as much as the new guy is. The difference? The new guy's a democrat.

I never raised the spector of racism, but now that you've brought it up I really wonder just how much that is impacting your decision making process? (Rhetorical, but if you insist we can go down that path. I just prefer to stay focused at this point).

You and your ilk have been too busy looking for something negative to wail about since the election, and it hasn't stopped since. It seems to have become an unhealthy obsession for each one of you and is so all-encompassing as to blind you to even those things that are negatively impacting your life the most. Literally unhealthy.

What do I mean? You stated yesterday that you have no healthcare insurance, well Missy you are just a heart attack, stroke, hip replacement, etc. away from becoming one of those people the POTUS is trying to get congress to protect! Yet, you spit upon him and fight tooth and nail to oppose anything he puts forth.

This bill would make your life easier, and require health care companies to COVER all diagnostic testing and stop applying those charges toward a policy deductible, and make said deductibles more reasonable as opposed to 2k or more! (I'm not covered by any policy!) But you would be once this bill passes. Automatically.

"Their going to tax" - Yes. Those making 250k and above will see an increase in taxes. Employers providing coverage that does NOT meet the federal requirements will be taxed per the rates contained within the bill. This serves as a financial incentive to employers to comply with the federal policy and punishes them if they do not.

"But, we need to go over this bill. . .blah, blah, blah!"

Look, show me ONE bill congress has passed in the last 3 decades that was perfect upon its inception. Just one. (Hint: No such animal). The reality is we have to start somewhere and delaying this thing until congress can go over each and every line in it and explain it to every single one of you to your satisfaction will lead to a decade of congressional waffling and the end result will be congress bowing to the special interest groups, in this case the insurance industry.  In the meantime millions of us will be financially ruined, or die due to untreated illness, or both. What purpose will that serve? Shall we go ahead and kill millions of our fellow Americans in order to allow each one of them to comprehend what "as outlined within sub section 2.19 item 4" means? And in the end do what we should be doing today, only 10 years too late?

The lion's share of you in opposition to this bill will not accept or even consider empirical evidence supporting the need for this bill. In fact, most of you ignore the fact that a lot of the things used to demonstrate why this reform bill should be passed are biting you in the ass right here and right now. Instead, you choose to believe lies, rumors, and innuendo; eating up the fear-mongering messages and spewing them as truth. Even when they are proven to be lies you persist. And you insist upon perfection from this POTUS, despite the fact the chimp was never ever near that idealistic achievement.

The irony surrounding the fact that so many of you were so willing to bitch slap Iraq and couldn't wait to put our men and women into the line of fire, in order to crack skulls and spend billions in the process; never one time stopping to hear those asking for diplomacy, perfection, and accountability then, and now asking for that very thing, is astounding! Then there's the fact that 90% of you would financially and physically benefit from the passing of this legislation, yet you squall against it like a cat with its tail under a rocker. Man, if that doesn't scream with irony I don't know what does. I'd rather spend a billion dollars taking care of my fellow Americans here at home, than chasing mirages in the litterbox of the middle east oil fields, despite your squalling.

"Oh, it's going to fall upon the shoulders of the middle class". - How many times does the POTUS have to say those making 250k and above will shoulder the burden, along with non-compliant companies? Just because the shrubs said it and lied does not mean this POTUS is not telling the truth. But you act upon the assumption that he is. . .

You will not or are unwilling to listen to the voices of reason and have failed to acknowledge one single thing that supports the need for this change; above and beyond acceptable limitations. The only thing you seem to respond to is the very thing you spew out - negativity. . .

And you've known me long enough to know if you spoon me bullshit I'll shovel it right back at you!