Obama Slams Health Care Critics For Spreading "Outlandish Rumors"

[Bo D]

"liberal".....which is JUST another word for socialist....

Well now....that just about sums it up, doesn't it?

[pariann]

tsk tsk tsk, Henry.

[Bo D]

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall get the shit beat out of them.

[Palehorse]

You know, I'm going to admit something here, and some of you won't like it.  I just recently reapplied for, and got public assistance. Which is EBT (food stamps) and medicaid.  I have used my medicaid (which is Hoosier Healthwise and backed by Anthem) for the first time this last weekend to get an eye exam and a new pair of bifocals.  With medicaid, you don't get a wide selection of frames (not a worry for me, I'm not that picky, I just want to see) and you don't get any extras on the glasses.  I will have lined bifocals, and the polycarbonate lens.  If I should happen to lose or break them in the next year and I still have the medicaid (which I doubt I will) I can get one pair of replacements at no cash cost.  But what I want to use the medicaid for....I can't.  Which is dental.  I need all my teeth pulled and dentures (not a pleasant thought).  I can't even get ALL my teeth pulled (or surgically removed) because my yearly limit is $600.  An oral surgeon will charge at least $120 for each tooth removed, and a dentist will charge approx $90 per tooth.  I have more than 6 teeth that need to go. And even if I could get them all pulled.....I would be walking around with my lips all sucked in between my gums because I then don't have the $650 I would need to go to affordable dentures.  There are limits to the 'free' medical, dental, and vision care that poor people can get, and rarely can you get ALL that you need, even with the medicaid plans that ask for a copay (and those do exist too).   

When I didn't have medicaid and I needed new glasses, I went to the clinic on Ohio street, I got an eye exam for $25. Then took my prescription to Walmart and selected a pair of frames, chose a progressive lens for my bifocals, and paid $120 for my glasses.   

I also went to the clinic for dental care.  It cost me $35 to be seen by the dentist.  Because I had filled out a financial statement that showed I had not earnings, I wasn't charged for the x-rays. We then set up a plan for my future dental care.  It would cost me $35 per visit, I would need to make 3 of them..and each time I would have several teeth removed. By the third visit, I would be able to place the dentures. WHICH I would first have had to went to Muncie to have made, for $650.  I was in the same position, I could afford to have them all pulled, but I wouldn't be able to get my new teeth, because I just don't have that kind of money.  So I don't do anything.  This is the situation of the poor.  And the partial help you can get with reduced pricing, and the current medicaid program. 

I'll also add, that the ONLY reason I can even get medicaid is because I'm a single mother without a job.  If I had a job, I would not be eligible.

What's not to like about it? Personally, I'm very happy to hear you are getting some assistance, what little there is to obtain, and your situation is a prime example of part of my perspective here. That stuff surrounding the dental seems like a crock of political BS to me. People should be able to obtain dentures via public assistance! That is just not right!

As it stands now anyone not covered under an employer health plan cannot get the medical, dental, vision care they desperately need, and many that ARE covered cannot get it either! Why? Because the deductibles and premiums are so high they have little to no discreationary funds left from their paychecks to pay for them!

In the meantime the companies insuring us are sitting back collectiong billions in premiums and schemeing on methods to obtain even more. This bill is meant to rein them in, get people affordable coverage, and coverage that PAYS for the services we need. . .

I seriously doubt that congress will ever be capable of arriving at a solution that the people would find universally acceptable, and if they ever do it will take 8 years for it to happen. In the meantime most of us will be priced right out of the coverage a lot of us need to assure quality of life, and those that do not have it, or are forced to use the present public assistance program, will barely get enough to allow them to stay alive. . .

[Palehorse]

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall get the shit beat out of them.

Not the peace-makers manufactured by Colt! 

[me]

And Henry, I do NOT want to hear that "but congress won't even accept this kind of coverage for themselves" line either. It is a lie plain and simple!

READ THE FRIGGIN' BILL: This bill is intended to provide the SAME coverage as members of congress enjoy, as well as the same choices! The POTUS has said so, the bills say so, and yet people still continue to swallow that plethora of tripe being put out there by the very industry raping us! Wake up!

There is no death panel, nobody besides the immediate family is going to unplug grandma, and you aren't going to have to wait in the crowds of folks at the local free clinic to see your own doctor!

Congress gets the best doctors and the best care available and if you think that's what the rest of us will get you're delusional.  There is already a shortage of good doctors and with the influx of additional people it will be harder than ever to see any doctor at all in a timely manner. I don't understand why the liberals that are thinking this bill is such a good thing don't understand that.  Some of the evidence sited by conservatives may well be anecdotal but it is from real people with real experience in the situation not some statistic drawn up by a person who can slant it either way depending on who they talk to. 

[Henry Hawk]

Congress gets the best doctors and the best care available and if you think that's what the rest of us will get you're delusional.  There is already a shortage of good doctors and with the influx of additional people it will be harder than ever to see any doctor at all in a timely manner. I don't understand why the liberals that are thinking this bill is such a good thing don't understand that.  Some of the evidence sited by conservatives may well be anecdotal but it is from real people with real experience in the situation not some statistic drawn up by a person who can slant it either way depending on who they talk to. 

well me,...the POTUS said so...

[me]

well me,...the POTUS said so...

Oh ya, that's right.  How silly of me to realize there aren't enough doctors already.  ..maybe they're gonna come from the same place the money is....

[Exterminator]

I thought about being funny and starting with Exterminator, you ignorant slut..............but screw that...Exterminator, you stupid dumb fuck!!...seriously,

Yeah, I'm the dumb fuck here, you illiterate clerk. 

[pariann]

What's not to like about it?

Those that get so bent out of shape that there are people like me who are perfectly able to work, and end up on public assistance.  They see you get it, and then don't understand how difficult it is for those of us out of work to even find a job, while they are clocking in and out of their own jobs, and paying the taxes, which in turn are allowing me to at least be able to see what they are posting derogatory about people like me.

Was that a good run on sentence?

[Palehorse]

well me,...the POTUS said so...

And you both ignore the very same "anecdotal evidence" that supports the opposing view, and dismiss off handed and without any consideration what so ever, first hand evidence that supports the opposing perspective from people you know! Not to mention individuals whose job it is to evaluate such things, and those who have been educated in some of the finest institutions of learning in this country, and served in their fields for decades.

Now there's a constructive approach if I ever saw one! 

Doing these things lends more support to the position that the root driver of your opposition is nothing less than "sour grapes", as opposed to true concerns supported by factual evidence and data.

Each of us is being robbed by the insurance industry and the facts supporting this assertion have been presented already. Many of us are not only angry about it, but find it disturbingly unbelieveable that the brainwashing initiative undertaken by that industry has been so successful; as evidenced by the fact some of you seem to be willing to be financially ruined by them and want more.

When you find yourselves uninsured and in a situation similar to, or worse, than Pari's, I wonder how you'll feel then?  The fact is unless something is done about it, a majority of those reading this will find themselves in that very situation, despite the fact you may be gainfully employed at the time. And you'll be put there because you feared change, you feared taking action, and you consider yourself untouchable to what is going on.

My wife and I have been lucky to this point in our lives, and our joint adjusted gross income places us squarely in danger of reaching that "class" wherein we may see our income tax increase. Yet both of us stand in solid support of this healthcare reform initiative.

Our jobs are in industries that historically have been "safe" during economic downturns, yet both of us will be unemployed within the next 12 months. The only outstanding debt we have is on our home, yet when healthcare out of pocket costs reach 36k/year we'll be financially crippled by them. Even if we are able to maintain an income level similar to that which we have today.

Those of you making less than we do in a year in combined adjusted gross income, are on a faster track surrounding reaching critical mass over healthcare costs. You'll be put out of your homes by it, your bank accounts emptied, and your possessions sitting on the curb if things are left as they are today; yet you stand in favor of leaving things alone. You are cutting your nose off to spite your face, and when you're sitting out there watching the local authorities empty your home you'll be crying, praying, and hoping for help, but by then it will be too late for that.

Something has to be done, not next year, not in 3-5 years, but NOW! And the sooner you educate yourselves and understand that what is being proposed is the first step toward a solution to prevent these things from ruining each one of us, the sooner we can get back to living our lives.

That propaganda surrounding the doctor shortage impact, is nothing more than pure fanatical scare tactics. Do you have a doctor today? You'll have the same doctor if this bill passes. The patient headcount that doctor chooses to see will not change unless he/she chooses to change it.

[Exterminator]

Those that get so bent out of shape that there are people like me who are perfectly able to work, and end up on public assistance.  They see you get it, and then don't understand how difficult it is for those of us out of work to even find a job, while they are clocking in and out of their own jobs, and paying the taxes, which in turn are allowing me to at least be able to see what they are posting derogatory about people like me.

Was that a good run on sentence?

Not bad...what really offends me is that our the douche here on this forum who doesn't have a clue how close he is to being in exactly the same position as you've found yourself has absolutely zero empathy even while he claims to be such a good christian.  The hypocrisy is astounding; the ignorance, pathetic.

[Exterminator]

My wife and I have been lucky to this point in our lives, and our joint adjusted gross income places us squarely in danger of reaching that "class" wherein we may see our income tax increase. Yet both of us stand in solid support of this healthcare reform initiative.

Me, too!  Funny how those of us who'll actually be paying the bill don't have a problem with it while those who won't seem to think they have a right to bitch.

[Palehorse]

Me, too!  Funny how those of us who'll actually be paying the bill don't have a problem with it while those who won't seem to think they have a right to bitch.

The irony is thick sin't it?!

[Exterminator]

You can't fix stupid.