Obama Slams Health Care Critics For Spreading "Outlandish Rumors"

[Bo D]

they probably look familiar to you, because they are EVERYWHERE....your neighbors, co-workers, accountant, plumbers, teachers, military personel.....they are the ones who are not too excited about turning their perfectly good healthcare plans over to the Government....these are the ones, who reflect the dropping approval ratings of this POTUS....they are real people.

Tell me! Just exactly what is perfectly good about your current health plan?

My insurance premiums are breaking me to the point where this season I will have to drop the dental and optical coverage (not that it was much good anyway.)

My HMO is deciding what doctor I can see.

My HMO is deciding what treatment is best for me.

My HMO is denying payment for a life-threatening emergency because I had to visit an emergency room while I was on an out-of-town trip.

Give me a break! 

[Bo D]

turning their perfectly good healthcare plans over to the Government....

ANOTHER LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pariann]

How can ANYONE take an educated stance on this issue? You all have me so freaking confused.  Everyone is calling everyone else liars, from the media to my peers. 

[Bo D]

How can ANYONE take an educated stance on this issue? You all have me so freaking confused.  Everyone is calling everyone else liars, from the media to my peers. 

This has been posted before, but just for you.....

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

[Henry Hawk]

ANOTHER LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No it is not....I can show you one right off the bat....go to page 167 of House Bill.....Tax on Individuals Without Acceptable Health Care Coverage......the IRS, through this bill will be granted the right to enforce the mandate of insurance on, not only businesses, but private individuals.....it is ALLOWING the IRS, to intervene....is just ONE passage that clearly shows, that THEY can and WILL force EVERYONE, the deem, to get on the National coverage....

you guys maybe need to read this thing....I got accused of not reading it....and I have read it...and there are several passages that is directing government intervention.....and taxing companies that does not meet GOVERNMENT standards....IT SUCKS!!...

[Bo D]

Here's an example ... the Town Hall screamers are saying that the plan will give free health care to illegal aliens.

Fact:

"SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

      Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

[Bo D]

No it is not....I can show you one right off the bat....go to page 167 of House Bill.....Tax on Individuals Without Acceptable Health Care Coverage......the IRS, through this bill will be granted the right to enforce the mandate of insurance on, not only businesses, but private individuals.....it is ALLOWING the IRS, to intervene....is just ONE passage that clearly shows, that THEY can and WILL force EVERYONE, the deem, to get on the National coverage....

you guys maybe need to read this thing....I got accused of not reading it....and I have read it...and there are several passages that is directing government intervention.....and taxing companies that does not meet GOVERNMENT standards....IT SUCKS!!...

You said ....

turning their perfectly good healthcare plans over to the Government....

Section 401 TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

[Bo D]

And dumb ol' Chuck Grassley's "death panels" ....

http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/08/video-grassley-admits-no-death-panels.html

Now he says "It won't do that."

"First tell the lie, then perpetuate it, then defend it, then perpetuate it some more:"

[Henry Hawk]

and WHO defines what is ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE?

[me]

Is it my imagination or am I seeing a few of the same faces over and over in those videos? And I swear I've seen them before somewhere .....

Wait!  I remember those guys! They were bit actors in several movies I've seen! Anything for a buck.

You're confusing those videos with the ones of ACORN.  The reason you are seeing the same people is because some of those videos are the same town hall meetings cut up into different segments not different town hall meetings.  Ya'll really need to get out more and start payin' attention to things around you and quit being so stubborn about this.  Check out the health czar who is not accountable to congress and think about the power he has once the bill is passed and congress hands are tied.  Look what has happened with the cash for clunkers.  Dealers everywhere aren't getting paid so what about the doctors will they get paid after they perform their services?  How long will it take?  How many more hoops will they have to jump through than they do already?  How many will continue to be doctors? 
As for the cost.  From what I understand the price of beer will be doubling, federal sales tax, in approx 2 months.  Is that going to hurt the rich?  No, its going to hurt the middle income, those on a fixed income, and the lower income people.  Well, they don't need to drink beer you say.....damn cigarettes and tobacco products have already doubled on them utility rates have gone through the roof, C&T, and next will be sugared products.  Then add on top of that Bush tax cuts expiring and that is mostly on the middle and lower income who pay taxes.  How much is this helping?  You, Ex, are lucky enough to be in the affluent crowd so you don't see what it's doing to those of us who aren't.  At this point I could afford private health insurance more than this "free" health care.

[Bo D]

and WHO defines what is ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE?

It is CLEARLY DEFINED if only you would take the time to actually read it.

[Bo D]

Tell me! Just exactly what is perfectly good about your current health plan?

My insurance premiums are breaking me to the point where this season I will have to drop the dental and optical coverage (not that it was much good anyway.)

My HMO is deciding what doctor I can see.

My HMO is deciding what treatment is best for me.

My HMO is denying payment for a life-threatening emergency because I had to visit an emergency room while I was on an out-of-town trip.

Why doesn't somebody take a stab at answering my question?

[me]

Why doesn't somebody take a stab at answering my question?

What that boils down to is the way it was turned in.  The codes used have a lot to do with whether a certain thing gets covered or not.  Do you think this "free" health care will be any different?

[Bo D]

Ya'll really need to get out more and start payin' attention to things around you and quit being so stubborn about this.

Why don't ypu quit being so stubborn and read the friggin bill?

As for the cost.  From what I understand the price of beer will be doubling, federal sales tax, in approx 2 months.  Is that going to hurt the rich?  No, its going to hurt the middle income, those on a fixed income, and the lower income people.  Well, they don't need to drink beer you say.....damn cigarettes and tobacco products have already doubled on them utility rates have gone through the roof, C&T, and next will be sugared products.  Then add on top of that Bush tax cuts expiring and that is mostly on the middle and lower income who pay taxes.  How much is this helping?  You, Ex, are lucky enough to be in the affluent crowd so you don't see what it's doing to those of us who aren't.  At this point I could afford private health insurance more than this "free" health care.

And here's what Michael Steele would do ...

"Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican National Committee, this week revealed a secret Republican plan that would end up eliminating all federal farm subsidies; closing down Yellowstone and Yosemite national parks; selling off the interstate highway system; and canceling Head Start, subsidized school lunches and the entire college loan program.

The plan came to light as a result of an op-ed piece this week in The Washington Post in which the party chairman committed the GOP to spending an ever-increasing share of the federal budget, and the national income, on Medicare. When combined with other Republican promises -- to balance the budget, protect defense spending and never, ever raise anyone's taxes -- the inescapable inference is that the government would run out of money for every other domestic program sometime around 2035.

Steele's stunning announcement brings the conservative strategy of "starving the beast" to a new level. Under the guise of protecting the elderly, Republicans hope to realize their dream of eliminating half a dozen Cabinet agencies, firing tens of thousands of government workers and ending government regulation as we know it."

[Bo D]

What that boils down to is the way it was turned in.  The codes used have a lot to do with whether a certain thing gets covered or not.  Do you think this "free" health care will be any different?

It CERTAINLY can't be any worse that what I have now! And from reading THE BILL, it WILL be better.