Obama Slams Health Care Critics For Spreading "Outlandish Rumors"

[me]

Dear RW'ers,

A question.  If you are so against societal concepts - doing things for the benefit of the group like health care etc. - why is it you don't just run your children off from the old homestead and let them fend for themselves?

I await your response,

Y (a member of the human race)

And that has what to do with anything here?  We are not children and the government didn't take us to raise.

[Henry Hawk]

Dear RW'ers,

A question.  If you are so against societal concepts - doing things for the benefit of the group like health care etc. - why is it you don't just run your children off from the old homestead and let them fend for themselves?

I await your response,

Y (a member of the human race)

MY children are MY responsibility......they are MINE to raise as "I" see fit....

The governments main job is to protect and uphold its citizens constitutional Rights....NOT to tell us HOW to live our lives, What we have to eat or drink, Where we live or work, When we go to sleep....

BUT, it seems to me that our government is thinking they DO have the power to tell us HOW to live, What to eat, ...and simply are stepping OUT of their given responsibilities, and butting in or individual rights....that our forefathers NEVER dreamed that would be abused as they are today....imo.

[Palehorse]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/18/health.care.pdf

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/18/section.analysis.pdf

Where does health care reform stand?

Above are links to the text of the current version and a link to an analysis of it section by section.

[The Troll]

  Anne, there is no healthcare bill yet.  It won't be a bill until congress passes it.  But the predatory super-rich and corporations don't want healthcare.  The have gorged themselves rich on our money and our healthcare.  They have brain washed people like ME and Henry to be against socialize medicine.  Who in their right mind thinks that health insurance has to be a profit base company.  After paying all of their expenses and taking the rest of the money and putting it back into the company.  And stop paying one person $200 million a year to run the company, we surly be someone to work cheaper,

   The CEO of the largest healthcare insurance company, raked off for himself, $600 million in salary, and bonus, in the last three years.  How many people could have the best health policy in the country, if the $600 million were divided equally.

  What wrong with this.  All of the people in the Senate and House are all college educated.  Over half are classified as millionaires or close to it. and over 98% and more, are LAWYERS.  Do see why we could possibly, being screwed.

The Troll 

[Anne]

  Anne, there is no healthcare bill yet.  It won't be a bill until congress passes it.  But the predatory super-rich and corporations don't want healthcare.  The have gorged themselves rich on our money and our healthcare.  They have brain washed people like ME and Henry to be against socialize medicine.  Who in their right mind thinks that health insurance has to be a profit base company.  After paying all of their expenses and taking the rest of the money and putting it back into the company.  And stop paying one person $200 million a year to run the company, we surly be someone to work cheaper,

   The CEO of the largest healthcare insurance company, raked off for himself, $600 million in salary, and bonus, in the last three years.  How many people could have the best health policy in the country, if the $600 million were divided equally.

  What wrong with this.  All of the people in the Senate and House are all college educated.  Over half are classified as millionaires or close to it. and over 98% and more, are LAWYERS.  Do see why we could possibly, being screwed.

The Troll 

[Palehorse]

Washington (CNN) - Michigan Rep. Bart Stupak, a leader of House Democrats opposed to abortion rights, announced Sunday that he had reached a deal with the White House that will allow him to back the health care reform bill.

He also said the deal will give Democratic leaders more than enough votes to pass the bill.

"We're well past" the 216 votes needed for passage, Stupak said. "This bill is going to go through."

President Barack Obama will issue an executive order "after the passage of the health insurance reform law that will reaffirm its consistency with long-standing restrictions on the use of federal funds for abortion," White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer said in a written statement.

"While the legislation as written maintains current law, the executive order provides additional safeguards to ensure that the status quo is upheld and enforced, and that the health care legislation's restrictions against the public funding of abortions cannot be circumvented."

Under the bill now being considered by the House of Representatives, federally-funded abortion coverage for people purchasing insurance through new insurance exchanges would be banned. Exceptions would be made in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother.

Individuals receiving federal assistance who want abortion coverage would have to purchase the coverage using private funds.

Anti-abortion rights Democrats successfully defended a "principle that meant more to us than anything, and that's the sanctity of life," Stupak said.

Stupak said he had been reassured that Obama's order will ensure the health care bill complies with the 32-year-old Hyde Amendment, which sharply restricts federal funding for abortion.. . .

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/21/democrats-reach-abortion-deal-on-health-care-bill/?hpt=T1&fbid=qWQuFzQ04-P

So in other words the government is forced to kneel down before the religious zealots of this country, yet again! This is EXACTLY why I am so against organized religion. They FORCE everyone else to live within their religious beliefs by holding the entire population hostage in order to get their way.

This is a prime example as to why the founding fathers intended on keeping church and state separate. Now the poor will be forced to have children they cannot afford and be forced to remain reliant upon the government tit in order to survive. Its an inescapable cycle with no fuggin way out. I do not want to hear anything about welfare momma's and baby factories. You friggin zealots are nothing more than enablers for them!

[The Troll]

HELIJAH, HELIJAH HELIJAH  HALEJAH HALEJAH HALJAH :yes:HALIJAH HALIJAH HALIJAH 8)HALEJAH HALEJAH HALEJAH  THE HEALTHCARE BILL PASSED, THE HEALTHCARE BILL PASSED. 



  THE TROLL

[Locutus]

Now let the mourning begin on the Fox News Channel. 

[Sandy Eggo]

Now let the mourning begin on the Fox News Channel. 

Just for fun, I'm flipping back and forth between all of the major news channels to see how they're covering the bill. Huge contrast.

[Doc]

shame on you democrats that last night refused to stand up and look at the american people and say yeah or nay,you cowards took the easy way out and voted electronically shame shame,thanks to the 34 democrats that saw the bill for what it is.

shame on you shame on you,to the democrats that didnt listen to the american public,again shame on you,the house is the people"s house and it now has been taken away from we the people,it now says obama,pelosi and reid run our country and we the people dont matter,so again SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!

our Govrnt needs to let US make the decisions that best suite OUR needs.  I have many of Glenn Beck's books. That man has "real balls" thats why he is on FOX network now. No other media channels wants to air "the truth". I think the people that agree with Obama should move to Russia, where Communism is the "norm", and take him with them!

[Palehorse]

You've rank wy too much of the kool aid doc. Tell us just why you are/were against the passing of this bill?

[me]

I sincerely hope it's you guy's who are saying "I told you so" instead of those of us who were against it from the start.  I was against it because of the cost, the "special deals", the union involvement, forcing people to get insurance or fining and jailing them, the extra tax to people who happen to be lucky enough to afford "Cadillac health care",(except for union members). extra taxes on makers of medical equipment, paying for 3yrs before any of this even takes effect, (except for insurance companies not being able to turn you down for pre-existing conditions), cuts to medicare, a shortage of doctors to cover the newly insured, cuts in what the doctors are going to get reimbursed for care, I'm sure I will think of more reasons later.

[Exterminator]

You lost, doc; get over it.

[The Troll]

OH, MY GOD,  "Me" you old plumber, get you head out of the comode.  34 million men, women and children are going to be able to get some insurance, just like the Troll and "ME" has through medicare.  Flush those old greedy ideas you got down the water closet.  We, at our age are going to have to worry about our funerals, be for we have to worry about higher taxes.

The Troll     

[Henry Hawk]

You lost, doc; get over it.

I KNEW!, it was only a mater of time...