Obama Slams Health Care Critics For Spreading "Outlandish Rumors"

[Henry Hawk]

Not bad...what really offends me is that our the douche here on this forum who doesn't have a clue how close he is to being in exactly the same position as you've found yourself has absolutely zero empathy even while he claims to be such a good christian.  The hypocrisy is astounding; the ignorance, pathetic.

what is the mater with you?..seriously.

For the zillionth time....I am in favor of reform.....I agree we need to address the problem....I just think having our government intervene in the fashion they are proposing is NOT the way...and you don't know diddly shit about my "Christian" walk....ZERO.

I have NO problem telling ANYTHING to your face Ex....ZERO.   I am NOT ashamed of my stance and beliefs....THEY are very MUCH American.

Palehorse, I too have been fortunate....I have a pretty decent insurance that my boss pays 100% of my premiums...and, yet with 5 kids, I STILL have plenty of $$ to pay when I have to utilize any significant hospital stay....I want nothing more than to find a fix for this problem....but, I will say it again.....expanding the gov, expanding the deficit and being somewhat reckless on passing something for the mere sake of passing it is wrong.

[me]

What you are not understanding is that I am in Pari's position only I can't even get the help she is getting.  I have nothing, no insurance and no medicaid. I have no young children so I can't get medicaid unless I have a serious illness and I fall between the cracks on medicare.  I have needed new glasses for approx. 5yrs but make do with what I have.  I haven't been to a dentist for 11yrs but need to see one badly.  Now are you happy that I've divulged more than I ever intended to on an open forum.  I had to give up what insurance I did have in '99' because the cost increased from $127pr month to over $400 and the deductible went from $500 to $2000.  Did I over use it?  No I didn't use it at all so why such a dramatic increase?  It did not cover dental or eye exams either and only 80% of doctor visits "if" you went to a doctor who was in their network.  So don't pull that crap on me that I'm being thoughtless and selfish when it comes to the uninsured and not wanting them to be covered 'cause it don't wash.  I am one of those who is in that situation and still don't like the proposed health care plan.  IMO those of you who are well insured at this point are wishing bad health care on all of us thinking only of yourselves and wanting something for nothing. You hear the word "free" and your mind is blank to anything else. 

[Henry Hawk]

Me, too!  Funny how those of us who'll actually be paying the bill don't have a problem with it while those who won't seem to think they have a right to bitch.

what makes you actually think that the average Joe will NOT be paying for this bill?..........it is ALWAYS the middleclass that gets stuck wit it..........and IF you think expanding our government will NOT increase my taxes then you are being foolish Ex.
It is common sense....really.

[Exterminator]

what makes you actually think that the average Joe will NOT be paying for this bill?..........it is ALWAYS the middleclass that gets stuck wit it..........and IF you think expanding our government will NOT increase my taxes then you are being foolish Ex.
It is common sense....really.

The average Joe like you is paying more now than you would if this bill passes and you don't pay shit for taxes as it is compared to those of us who don't have a clan of little inbred hell-spawn running around.

[Henry Hawk]

I am simply tired of people like you who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about spouting off for no other reason than you heard some bullshit from Rush.

you must be listening to Rush an awful lot to know what I am 'spouting' about..........cause I don't listen to him all that much....it seems to me that you are parroting Olbermann....and the MSNBC boys...


and $1 trillion-plus for a bill IS reckless, when we do not HAVE the money to spend in the first place....and many democrats are in agreement and are having their own doubts......there are TOO many legitimate critics out there that feel this is not a good thing.

[Palehorse]

What you are not understanding is that I am in Pari's position only I can't even get the help she is getting.  I have nothing, no insurance and no medicaid. I have no young children so I can't get medicaid unless I have a serious illness and I fall between the cracks on medicare.  I have needed new glasses for approx. 5yrs but make do with what I have.  I haven't been to a dentist for 11yrs but need to see one badly.  Now are you happy that I've divulged more than I ever intended to on an open forum.  I had to give up what insurance I did have in '99' because the cost increased from $127pr month to over $400 and the deductible went from $500 to $2000.  Did I over use it?  No I didn't use it at all so why such a dramatic increase?  It did not cover dental or eye exams either and only 80% of doctor visits "if" you went to a doctor who was in their network.  So don't pull that crap on me that I'm being thoughtless and selfish when it comes to the uninsured and not wanting them to be covered 'cause it don't wash.  I am one of those who is in that situation and still don't like the proposed health care plan.  IMO those of you who are well insured at this point are wishing bad health care on all of us thinking only of yourselves and wanting something for nothing. You hear the word "free" and your mind is blank to anything else.

If you think this is a reasonable reply then you are the delusional one. This just makes you look even worse, are you impaired or something? And you are being worse than thoughtless and selfish!

Again with your opinion? You already know my thoughts on that subject. If I wanted something for nothing . . . oh hell nevermind. You aren't worth the energy or effort.

Forget about it. . .

[Exterminator]

and $1 trillion-plus for a bill IS reckless, when we do not HAVE the money to spend in the first place....and many democrats are in agreement and are having their own doubts......there are TOO many legitimate critics out there that feel this is not a good thing.

A trillion dollars isn't a lot to spend if you get $5 trillion worth of value but that notwithstanding, I asked for you to provide something specific, not a generality.  I know you won't because you can't if you have no clue whatsoever what the bill says.

[me]

you must be listening to Rush an awful lot to know what I am 'spouting' about..........cause I don't listen to him all that much....it seems to me that you are parroting Olbermann....and the MSNBC boys...


and $1 trillion-plus for a bill IS reckless, when we do not HAVE the money to spend in the first place....and many democrats are in agreement and are having their own doubts......there are TOO many legitimate critics out there that feel this is not a good thing.

Henry to them all of we critics on either side are hate mongers, racist's, and ignorant.  That is what they are being told at any rate.  They will not even try to understand where we are coming from and it is pointless to even try.  I won't stoop to name calling and belittling them like they do us because that is not my way even though I am tempted sometimes just out of frustration.  Hell,they don't even see that we are saying yes, we do need some kind of reform just not what is being proposed at this time.  They think it can just be passed and then worked out and it just don't work that way.  They can't see that congress is trying to take over our lives on a big time scale because they aren't truly listening to what's going on. 
I am neither impaired nor am I selfish I am concerned about the unanswered questions and the double speak that is going along with this bill. I will not be shouted down or silenced just because my opinion is different and I will not be shamed into changing my mind by being belittled. 
I was pointing the finger at no one when I made that statement "those of you" that was in the collective sense and aimed at no one.   

[Palehorse]

None the less, I am offended by your stonewalling and ignorant implications.

Truth be told the only reason you are against this initiative is because it is being proposed by the current democratic POTUS; and it matters not who or what it impacts. You parrot untruths and imply what is not within the language of the various versions of this bill, even going so far as to spew outright lies as if they were the unvarnished truth! You've told so many lies for so long that you now believe them yourself. You even refuse to consider the empirical evidence provided to you that clearly demonstrates the truth.

Each one of you already knows that if this is left to congress to accomplish it will never be done, ever; especially once they start "discussing" things and imparting the influence of their constituents that happen to be those who hold the purse strings in the insurance industry.

Bleat on sheeple, bleat on!

[me]

If opinions are being called lies now so be it.  I guess that's going to be the way of things now, if you don't lie someones opinion just call them a liar and that makes you, (the collective you), right. Liberals have it all figured out don't they?   

[Henry Hawk]

Me....I have supported my opinions with numerous links.....and I'm STILL a liar...just because we don't support this administration.........we have been called racist..

I am through here....I really am.   

[Palehorse]

Baaaah! Bahhhhh! Baaaaah!

[Henry Hawk]

Baaaah! Bahhhhh! Baaaaah!

is THAT the sound of SHEEPle I hear?.....

[me]

Oops hit modify instead of quote......



You know it's odd.  I didn't support Hillary's bill which wasn't near as encompassing as this one, or some of Bush's health care reforms but I wasn't called selfish, a liar, or told I was ignorant, a racist, a hate monger, selfish, or any of the other things that are being said by the liberals now about anyone who disagrees with congress or the president.  What is so different?  Why are things getting to the point where no one can disagree now without that happening.   
Could someone please explain that without all the name calling.  It appears to me to be divide and conquer because that seems to be what is happening lately.  Shout down and belittle the opposition until they give in or give up.  Stand back and look at the whole picture not just your little safety zone of which ever side you happen to be on. 

[Bo D]

If opinions are being called lies now so be it.  I guess that's going to be the way of things now, if you don't lie someones opinion just call them a liar and that makes you, (the collective you), right. Liberals have it all figured out don't they?   

It is my opinion that the sky is green with little wavy yellow stripes.