Onward Christian Soldiers! - Kansas abortion doctor killed.

[Bo D]

This whole topic is going to go way off the beaten path and into the weeds. . . I can see it now. . .   

I'm sorry dude! You're absolutely correct! Please accept my apologies, everyone. I withdraw my question and respectfully request that comments on my diversion be withheld.

[Palehorse]

I'm sorry dude! You're absolutely correct! Please accept my apologies, everyone. I withdraw my question and respectfully request that comments on my diversion be withheld.

Perhaps an additional topic is in order here? I'm quite supportive of dialog on the subject to say the least. . . It needs to be discussed! 

[Henry Hawk]

Just as much "proof" of this as there is a "great sky-being" and unless you toe the line and join the herd you are damned to the eternal flames of some great BBQ. . .

THEN by your own words, your scientific views are NO different than the 'zealots'.....RIGHT?

[Palehorse]

THEN by your own words, your scientific views are NO different than the 'zealots'.....RIGHT?

No. . . my "scientific views" are backed by empirical evidence to support them.

You are confusing my personal philosophy and beliefs with scientific facts. . .

[Bo D]

Perhaps an additional topic is in order here? I'm quite supportive of dialog on the subject to say the least. . . It needs to be discussed! 

I started a new topic here ...
http://theunknownzone.us/smf/index.php?topic=14485.msg318747#msg318747

Fire away! 

[Palehorse]

No. . . my "scientific views" are backed by empirical evidence to support them.

You are confusing my personal philosophy and beliefs with scientific facts. . .

That being said, what makes my personal beliefs any less relevant and true than those you hold?

[Henry Hawk]

That being said, what makes my personal beliefs any less relevant and true than those you hold?

it doesn't, and I don't go slamming your personal beliefs either....

[Freethinker]

Regurgitation of extremist propaganda doesn't make you right, but certainly is indicative of absorption into the herd. . .

I'm not the extremist here, Palehorse. That would be you. I can think these things through, based entirely on science... and not bring the magical concept of spirit into the mix.... AND still decide that aborting a fetus with its own beating heart is taking a life. I'm unapologetically Atheist.

1. I never stated that my "belief" has been or ever was confirmed via scientific evidence. Show me where I said such! Moreover, as a man of science I find said philosophy a lot more believeable than a book written, edited, and assembled by humankind, and utilized as a tool for centuries; as a means to obtain personal wealth and power and control the masses.

You have repeatedly said that the spirit enters the body and joins with the physical when the baby takes its first breath. That is entirely a matter of religious belief, NOT science.

2. Some of the greatest minds in science have also endorsed such a philosophy. Should they also "get over themselves"? 

When these scientists successfully demonstrate such a notion, then it will be considered a scientific theory. Until then, it is just a personal religious belief involving SPIRIT, an entirely non-scientific concept.

[followsthewolf]

This whole topic is going to go way off the beaten path and into the weeds. . . I can see it now. . .   

What you mean "going," Willis?

It left a couple of pages back.

[Henry Hawk]

Since Ex isn't here I was just making sure your BP gets the customary rise in pressure! 

Not the same though, I KNOW, you are not an arrogant asshole!!!........(ooopps... ..did I just say that out loud?)   

We'll see wabbit. . . I may be serving "crow"! (Note I said serving, not eating). 

Well it won't be ther FIRST time I have ever eaten it....that's for sure.

Did not this same man seek out the dredges of society, the whores, the cast offs, the killers, thieves, etc., and teach them? Tony Dungy aside, I don't see that happening. . .ever.

so they don't exist, because YOU don't see them.......believe me, there are thousands and thousands of great people out there doing things, in the name of Jesus....they just don't seek attention.

If a man strays from the "path of righteousness" should he not have the opportunity to mend his ways, repent, and move forward. Jeebus said he should so why are your average xtians so quick to condemn them, (kill them), and distance themselves from such folks?

again, I think you are confusing the average xtian you speak of .... to something other than the average Christian, that lives in this country, who is raising families, goes to work, and worships the God of Abraham....I think the vast majority of Christians are getting a bad rap for a few loud mouths, that get the press...

So what about all those folks tortured, killed, and pillaged during the crusades? What about all the people subjected to the very same horrendous actions on behalf of Christianity during the inquisition? What about the hundreds of thousands of human beings slaughtered in the name of "God" and Christianity in establishing this very country? If that's not what it is about it certainly has taken a long time to figure that out!

man has been screwing up since Adam and Eve.....in the name of God.

it does not mean, that there has not been thousands and thousands of great folks, who HAVE done great things, in the name of Jesus....because I know there has.

[me]

There is one thing that hasn't been brought up unless I missed it.  A person who kills a pregnant woman is also considered guilty of two counts of murder the second being the murder of an unborn infant.  So why is a fetus considered an unborn infant in that case but not in the case of abortion?  Anyone got an answer to that one that makes sense?

[Gryphon]

There is one thing that hasn't been brought up unless I missed it.  A person who kills a pregnant woman is also considered guilty of two counts of murder the second being the murder of an unborn infant.  So why is a fetus considered an unborn infant in that case but not in the case of abortion?  Anyone got an answer to that one that makes sense?

in order for it to make sense to you, you'd need to distinguish the difference between what a woman chooses to do with her own body and what is forced on her by someone else.
Your question clearly indicates you aren't drawing that distinction.

[me]

in order for it to make sense to you, you'd need to distinguish the difference between what a woman chooses to do with her own body and what is forced on her by someone else.
Your question clearly indicates you aren't drawing that distinction.

I'm referring to the fact that on the pro abortion side of the argument is that the fetus isn't considered a living being.  If that is the case there are a whole lot of people who were convicted of two murders who shouldn't have been.

[Exterminator]

It is of MY opinion that you already are.."brainwashed...

LMFAO!  This from someone who believes there's an invisible man living in the sky!

[Exterminator]

Not the same though, I KNOW, you are not an arrogant asshole!!!........(ooopps... ..did I just say that out loud?)   

Suck it, you uneducated, redneck teabagger.