Onward Christian Soldiers! - Kansas abortion doctor killed.

[Henry Hawk]

"We" know enough to know propaganda when we see it. It is statistically impossible for this late doctor to have performed 60k late term abortions. . . That is nothing more than hysterics at work and another example that, along with the killing of this doctor, demonstrate the ends to which these zealots will go to, to force their beliefs upon everyone.

He said himself that HE performed more than 60,000 abortions.......not just late term.....

he also said that he had as many as 10 women ready to go at one time with nothing but curtains seperating them...

33 years at 250 days (minus weekends and vac time)....that is 8250 days times 10 abortions.that is 82,500 '''POSSIBLE".....so 60,000 IS statisticly possible.

A Look At Tiller's Clinic

[Locutus]

I don't see anywhere on that link where the number 60,000 is mentioned.   Care to point it out in case I'm going blind?

[?]

Exactly the same place as all the other evidence that supports anyone going to heaven no matter what lifestage they are at when termination occurs.

If you're referring to the Bible, please show me where it says that. 

[Palehorse]

I've already read the propaganda in that link you posted previously. These groups wrap themselves in the bible and invoke some right supposedly emanating from God as their mantra; then murder productive law abiding citizens. All as a means of forcing their belief system upon the masses. . . nice. . .

[Palehorse]

And no one is going to tell me that these jackass groups and on air personalities hold no blame in this. In fact I am betting that they are counting on one of their zealous supporters going Koo-Koo for KoKo Puffs and bombing / murdering the targets of their propaganda campaigns. It has happened too many times already for them not to understand it and use it.

Yeah, they have no part in it. Just like there are no government sanctioned initiatives wherein if you are caught, the U.S. doesn't know you. . . 
Same shit, different clothing. . .

[pariann]

If you're referring to the Bible, please show me where it says that. 

Nope, I'm not referring to the bible.  Words written on paper are just words.  Not tangible evidence.  It's the faith that is put into what the words say that cause people to believe what they believe.   I'm saying there is NO evidence.  So the evidence you are asking for is in the same place as all other evidence that says when a human being is terminated from this life, they go to heaven.  It's faith based.  By now all adults should know there is no tangible or reproducible evidence to support that belief.

[?]

Nope, I'm not referring to the bible.  Words written on paper are just words.  Not tangible evidence.  It's the faith that is put into what the words say that cause people to believe what they believe.   I'm saying there is NO evidence.  So the evidence you are asking for is in the same place as all other evidence that says when a human being is terminated from this life, they go to heaven.  It's faith based.  By now all adults should know there is no tangible or reproducible evidence to support that belief.

I certainly agree with there being no evidence.  My point was the following.  I read on this thread where it was implied that the aborted fetus goes immediately to heaven.  There isn't anywhere in the Bible that I know of that supports that belief.  If any of you know what verse(s) support that position, please speak up.

[pariann]

Do you know the Bible?  If you do, then you know that aborted human beings are not directly addressed.  Death of children and where they go is not addressed in a way that is clear cut.  What is addressed is that all human beings are sinful until they are saved.  To be saved you have to be able to acknowledge God and that Jesus died for your sins.  A prebirth infant/fetus whatever you want to call it, can't do that.  The bible also says that a spouse or child can be 'sanctified' which is not the same as saved, by the belief of their spouse or parent.  So it's up in the air whether an aborted fetus, if it has a soul at the moment of it's death, goes to heaven, hell, or a type of purgatory.  For those that believe in all that.  My belief is a bit different.  I don't think anyone goes to heaven, (or hell) until all the lessons have been learned.   Oops, said too much.  I'm done.

[me]

Do you know the Bible?  If you do, then you know that aborted human beings are not directly addressed.  Death of children and where they go is not addressed in a way that is clear cut.  What is addressed is that all human beings are sinful until they are saved.  To be saved you have to be able to acknowledge God and that Jesus died for your sins.  A prebirth infant/fetus whatever you want to call it, can't do that.  The bible also says that a spouse or child can be 'sanctified' which is not the same as saved, by the belief of their spouse or parent.  So it's up in the air whether an aborted fetus, if it has a soul at the moment of it's death, goes to heaven, hell, or a type of purgatory.  For those that believe in all that.  My belief is a bit different.  I don't think anyone goes to heaven, (or hell) until all the lessons have been learned.   Oops, said too much.  I'm done.

Kind of sounds like you and I might think along the same lines with maybe a couple of differences. 

[LOsborne]

... I read on this thread where it was implied that the aborted fetus goes immediately to heaven.  There isn't anywhere in the Bible that I know of that supports that belief.  If any of you know what verse(s) support that position, please speak up.

The Catholics used to talk about Limbo.



You don't hear much about it these days. I wonder why not? I bet all those little guys were good at it!

[Henry Hawk]

I don't see anywhere on that link where the number 60,000 is mentioned.   Care to point it out in case I'm going blind?

Click on his biography;

George Tiller is America's most notorious abortionist. By his own count, he has performed over sixty-thousand abortions. (Listen to Tiller say this by clicking here .)

[Henry Hawk]

I've already read the propaganda in that link you posted previously. These groups wrap themselves in the bible and invoke some right supposedly emanating from God as their mantra; then murder productive law abiding citizens. All as a means of forcing their belief system upon the masses. . . nice. . .

all i can say is............... ........right back at ya 

[Gryphon]

Do you know the Bible?  If you do, then you know that aborted human beings are not directly addressed.  Death of children and where they go is not addressed in a way that is clear cut.  What is addressed is that all human beings are sinful until they are saved.  To be saved you have to be able to acknowledge God and that Jesus died for your sins.  A prebirth infant/fetus whatever you want to call it, can't do that.  The bible also says that a spouse or child can be 'sanctified' which is not the same as saved, by the belief of their spouse or parent.  So it's up in the air whether an aborted fetus, if it has a soul at the moment of it's death, goes to heaven, hell, or a type of purgatory.  For those that believe in all that.  My belief is a bit different.  I don't think anyone goes to heaven, (or hell) until all the lessons have been learned.   Oops, said too much.  I'm done.

Doesnt it say that we are BORN to original sin, though? Ya gotta be born, right? I mean a little clump of cells can hardly sin.

[Palehorse]

Doesnt it say that we are BORN to original sin, though? Ya gotta be born, right? I mean a little clump of cells can hardly sin.

So much for the innocent child thing. . .

[mcgonser]

The bible also teaches about the age of knowing. A child is innocent until they come of an age where they know what is right and wrong and that they are doing so. (sin) 3rd trimester abortions are not a clump of cells, they are a fully formed baby. Some believe that a soul is started upon conception, some think it is when the baby is born. What ever you believe. I do not believe that any soul of a innocent babe or child goes anywhere but to heaven.