Onward Christian Soldiers! - Kansas abortion doctor killed.

[Palehorse]

a bit arrogant aren't we?

Whose defintion?  Do you have any proof that the baby has undergone the union of physical and spiritual entities? are YOU being a little .... ZEALOT? 

A scientific approach / response to inquires is often misinterpreted as arrogance; so I'll let that comment pass.

From your perspective perhaps I may appear to be a zealot. But at least we who endorse such a philosophy do not go out and murder those who believe otherwise.

[Henry Hawk]

A scientific approach / response to inquires is often misinterpreted as arrogance; so I'll let that comment pass.

right...

From your perspective perhaps I may appear to be a zealot. But at least we who endorse such a philosophy do not go out and murder those who believe otherwise.

Nor do Christians........true followers of Jesus..........Just because some whatnut killed this man...claimed to have been a Christian.......does not mean he is a Christian.

btw, Jesus was considered to be one of the GREATEST philosophers....

[Palehorse]

At the risk of being off-topic - may I throw my wrench into this?

Do you believe that the alleged killer of the doctor should receive the death penalty if convicted?

My stance upon this has not changed, and the short answer is no.

"No" because the justice system cannot consistently adjudicate at this point in time.

[Henry Hawk]

At the risk of being off-topic - may I throw my wrench into this?

Do you believe that the alleged killer of the doctor should receive the death penalty if convicted?

If the state that he is tried in, declared him guilty, and that was the punishment for the crime....then YES.

[mageepet]

I am thinking that I read that according to the A.G.of KS this killing didn't meet the criteria for seeking the death penalty in KS.  Perhaps, I am wrong and I don't have time to research it at this moment. 
However, it can be argued either way.
Here is a link, arguing for the death penalty.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1821013/dr_tillers_murderer_should_be_charged.html

If I should be able to find a link to prove I just didn't dream the A.G.'s statement I will post it later.
Sorry, i can't find anything at this time except a statement from Nola Foulston indicating the charges would be 1 count of first degree murder,and two lesser counts.  In Kansas, the charge would be capital murder if the death penalty were being sought.

[Palehorse]

right...

Since we have met personally, am I now to understand that this is your evaluation of me?

Nor do Christians........true followers of Jesus..........Just because some whatnut killed this man...claimed to have been a Christian.......does not mean he is a Christian.

See, right there is the subjectivity of Christianity in action. Claim to be a good xtian and spew the propaganda, and the herd will follow. But do one thing that in hindsight is against the beliefs and they will run from you in droves. . .

The fact is this man would have been considered a "good Christian" until he reached emotional / informational overload and acted upon the messages of hate and malice being spewed by his fellow "good Christians".

btw, Jesus was considered to be one of the GREATEST philosophers....

Really. . . funny his name never came up in philosophy. . . (Remember, I attended a "Christian" university).

[Bo D]

If the state that he is tried in, declared him guilty, and that was the punishment for the crime....then YES.

So ...the causing of death in one instance is ok ... but in the other, it is not?

[Bo D]

I am thinking that I read that according to the A.G.of KS this killing didn't meet the criteria for seeking the death penalty in KS.  Perhaps, I am wrong and I don't have time to research it at this moment. 
However, it can be argued either way.
Here is a link, arguing for the death penalty.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1821013/dr_tillers_murderer_should_be_charged.html

If I should be able to find a link to prove I just didn't dream the A.G.'s statement I will post it later.
Sorry, i can't find anything at this time except a statement from Nola Foulston indicating the charges would be 1 count of first degree murder,and two lesser counts.  In Kansas, the charge would be capital murder if the death penalty were being sought.

Very good. But let's for the moment forget about the nuances of differing state laws and just assume the death penalty is a possibility if convicted.

Would you (anyone) ask for the death penalty?

[Henry Hawk]

Since we have met personally, am I now to understand that this is your evaluation of me?

That is bullcrap PH, and you know it.  I have NOTHING but respect for you, but I DO NOT always agree with you...and I do NOT agree with you on this topic or some of your replies.

But would LOVE to grab a breakfast with you again sometime...

See, right there is the subjectivity of Christianity in action. Claim to be a good xtian and spew the propaganda, and the herd will follow. But do one thing that in hindsight is against the beliefs and they will run from you in droves. . .

THIS is always the argument against .... so-called Christians.

The fact remains, that Jesus is clear on HOW we should act....and that is to LOVE one another as you would your neighbor....THIS man should NOT have killed this man....it goes against Jesus' teachings AND the law of the land....

The fact is this man would have been considered a "good Christian" until he reached emotional / informational overload and acted upon the messages of hate and malice being spewed by his fellow "good Christians".

again, hate and malice IS not a true representation of a Christian.....and THIS type of argument is used against Christians by ALL nonbelievers....and it, to me shows me that they do NOT understand the religion and a lack of even TRYING to understand.

Really. . . funny his name never came up in philosophy. . . (Remember, I attended a "Christian" university).

so you are saying that he is not considered to be a philosopher, because you went to a Christian University, and THEY did not bring up his name, in that content?...

[Henry Hawk]

So ...the causing of death in one instance is ok ... but in the other, it is not?

one committed crime....the other did not.

[Palehorse]

. . .I guess you can call me a zealot..

Perhaps it is the term "zealot" that you have taken offense to within the context of this discussion Henry. I only use that terminology because you gave me permission to! 

[Palehorse]

Palehorse -- there is no proof that the physical and spiritual mix at the time the baby takes its first breath. . .

Just as much "proof" of this as there is a "great sky-being" and unless you toe the line and join the herd you are damned to the eternal flames of some great BBQ. . .

[Bo D]

one committed crime....the other did not.

Forgive me if I'm giving myself away here, but I cannot condone the taking of life - for whatever reason.

[Palehorse]

That is bullcrap PH, and you know it.  I have NOTHING but respect for you, but I DO NOT always agree with you...and I do NOT agree with you on this topic or some of your replies.

Since Ex isn't here I was just making sure your BP gets the customary rise in pressure! 

But would LOVE to grab a breakfast with you again sometime...

We'll see wabbit. . . I may be serving "crow"! (Note I said serving, not eating). 

THIS is always the argument against .... so-called Christians.

The fact remains, that Jesus is clear on HOW we should act....and that is to LOVE one another as you would your neighbor....THIS man should NOT have killed this man....it goes against Jesus' teachings AND the law of the land....

Did not this same man seek out the dredges of society, the whores, the cast offs, the killers, thieves, etc., and teach them? Tony Dungy aside, I don't see that happening. . .ever.

If a man strays from the "path of righteousness" should he not have the opportunity to mend his ways, repent, and move forward. Jeebus said he should so why are your average xtians so quick to condemn them, (kill them), and distance themselves from such folks?

again, hate and malice IS not a true representation of a Christian.....and THIS type of argument is used against Christians by ALL nonbelievers....and it, to me shows me that they do NOT understand the religion and a lack of even TRYING to understand.

So what about all those folks tortured, killed, and pillaged during the crusades? What about all the people subjected to the very same horrendous actions on behalf of Christianity during the inquisition? What about the hundreds of thousands of human beings slaughtered in the name of "God" and Christianity in establishing this very country? If that's not what it is about it certainly has taken a long time to figure that out!

In fact, if certain "briefing cover pages" are to be believed it is STILL going on!

so you are saying that he is not considered to be a philosopher, because you went to a Christian University, and THEY did not bring up his name, in that content?...

No, what I am saying is that when a listing of philosophers from throughout history is constructed, and placed within the texts and course studies of universities, that name doesn't appear on it. At least not at any university I or my children have attended.

He may very well have been a philosopher, but instead he is considered the messiah by most Christian sects.

[Palehorse]

If the state that he is tried in, declared him guilty, and that was the punishment for the crime....then YES.

This whole topic is going to go way off the beaten path and into the weeds. . . I can see it now. . .