Onward Christian Soldiers! - Kansas abortion doctor killed.

[Henry Hawk]

just a clump of cells   


graphic picture

[Henry Hawk]

"Simple morality dictates that unless and until someone can prove the unborn human is not alive, we must give it the benefit of the doubt and assume it is (alive). And, thus, it should be entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Ronald Reagan in 1982

[Gryphon]

ooo shock me shock me.

Id be anxious to see what sort of happiness a first trimester fetus would be able to pursue.

[Henry Hawk]

ooo shock me shock me.

Id be anxious to see what sort of happiness a first trimester fetus would be able to pursue.

I'm not even sure what you mean by that statement?...

[Gryphon]

thats more like it Henry. Im sure you're aware that the overwhelmind majority of abortions take place in the first trimester.

[Gryphon]

I'm not even sure what you mean by that statement?...

I mean, what happiness can a fetus pursue? You made the statement that its entitled to pursue happiness. Id be interested to know what sort of happiness a fetus at the stage pictured just below is capable of pursuing.

[Henry Hawk]

thats more like it Henry. Im sure you're aware that the overwhelmind majority of abortions take place in the first trimester.

Big deal..........just because it doesn't look the same, it is STILL killing it......

and most automobile accidents happen within a mile from home.........THERE are STILL accidents that happen far away.

[Henry Hawk]

I mean, what happiness can a fetus pursue? You made the statement that its entitled to pursue happiness. Id be interested to know what sort of happiness a fetus at the stage pictured just below is capable of pursuing.

this is a very illogical statement G,

if it was NOT aborted, it COULD/WOULD/SHOULD have every RIGHT in the world to 'pursue' happiness.....no mater at what stage of 'life' it is in.

[mageepet]

Enough with the graphic pictures!  Hawk when you show such graphic pictures you are no better than the new broadcasters who work to incite violence. 

It is also a slap in the face to everyone that has given birth to a third trimester child, (not on purpose), to have to see those pictures.  Perhaps at this time a link would have served better than a picture, and those with such morbid curiosity could go and look.

I will go off to work now, thinking of my twin boys, both born in the 26th week, one who died and one who is sleeping soundly in the bedroom, just out of high school.

[Gryphon]

this is a very illogical statement G,

if it was NOT aborted, it COULD/WOULD/SHOULD have every RIGHT in the world to 'pursue' happiness.....no mater at what stage of 'life' it is in.

Its not illogical at all. At the stage at which most abortions happen, its capable of nothing on its own, let alone the pursuit of happiness. I fail to see the logic in applying such rights based on what could/would/should happen down the road. 

[Palehorse]

A sure sign of desparation is when they whip out the graphic pics as a means to evoke emotional response.

And yes, those "parasites" were never born, never took the first breath within which the physical and spiritual are united to forum "life"; so, just a clump of cells.

[Freethinker]

Palehorse -- there is no proof that the physical and spiritual mix at the time the baby takes its first breath.

If there "were" such a thing as spirit, it would probably enter at the time the heart first starts beating (and not the placenta) as it requires an electrical impulse, which some might attribute to our spiritual nature. It is that impulse that leaves the body when we die.

"At 8 weeks the embryo is now called the fetus. It has MOST of its tissues and organs and well-developed hands and feet....

... this tiny creature is now quite definitely recognizable as a human being. It has lips, a nose, eyes and even eyelids...

... By the end of the 3rd month of pregnancy, although the fetus is only about 3 inches long, it is recognizably human. The SYSTEMS of the body are already well developed, with many organs more or less complete. NERVES and MUSCLES are working, and reflexes are becoming established. THE HEART PUMPS about 50 pints of blood through the circulatory system each day...."

Atlas of the Body, Rand McNally and Company

[Freethinker]

THUS, if the NERVES are working at 3 months... then even the latter first trimester abortions, and most certainly the early 2nd trimester abortions, would be painful to the fetus.

This is one of the reasons I only condone abortions during the first few weeks, when women have time to address oopsies or to get assistance in the event of rape or incest.

[Henry Hawk]

A sure sign of desparation is when they whip out the graphic pics as a means to evoke emotional response.

And yes, those "parasites" were never born, never took the first breath within which the physical and spiritual are united to forum "life"; so, just a clump of cells.

you and i will forever disagree on this issue.......

I have sent a pm to mageepet, with my apologies....thus, I changed my post with a link, instead of a picture.

desperate?........maybe, because I'm sick and tired, of those who think, that JUST because it has not drawn a breath yet, it is insignificant.

[Henry Hawk]

Its not illogical at all. At the stage at which most abortions happen, its capable of nothing on its own, let alone the pursuit of happiness. I fail to see the logic in applying such rights based on what could/would/should happen down the road. 

a two month old is its capable of nothing on its own......does it not have a right to the pursuit of happiness?