While not in Madison County this did happen in an area that my wife and I used to go camping with friends on weekends. Delphi Indiana.
2 13 year old girls were dropped off by their family for a couple of hours of trail walking near an abandoned RR bridge. When their family came to the meet up point to pick them up they were no shows, and police discovered their bodies within 50 yards of the creek that runs through the area. . .
Today authorities say they were murdered, but cannot reveal how. . . This just infuriates me!!!
http://www.wthr.com/article/police-confirm-bodies-found-near-delphi-are-missing-teens-searching-for-suspect (http://www.wthr.com/article/police-confirm-bodies-found-near-delphi-are-missing-teens-searching-for-suspect)
A friend of mine knows Abby's mom. :'(
Incredibly sad and frustrated beyond belief...it tore my heart when I heard about this.
I feel horribly for the parents in this situation, but is it really smart to allow two 13-year-old girls to wander off alone on some trail in a remote area like that?
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 11:31:18 AM
I feel horribly for the parents in this situation, but is it really smart to allow two 13-year-old girls to wander off alone on some trail in a remote area like that?
Typically around that area it wouldn't be that big of a deal. Smaller town, more rural than not, and not normally anything but nature at work out there. BUT, as we have seen in this case, the nature of things can and usually do change.
We camped near that area, and the area we went to is far from what can be considered a "city". We encountered a very minuscule number of questionable individuals during our time there. (Some of them were with us).
I was looking at a map of the area and can't pinpoint exactly where this is. Can you show me?
Living in a big city, my antennae are always up about the possibility of bad people being around. I don't think I could have allowed my daughter of that age to wander off alone, but maybe my perspective might be different if I were from that area. :-\
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 11:59:31 AM
I was looking at a map of the area and can't pinpoint exactly where this is. Can you show me?
Living in a big city, my antennae are always up about the possibility of bad people being around. I don't think I could have allowed my daughter of that age to wander off alone, but maybe my perspective might be different if I were from that area. :-\
My wife and I was discussing this.........I don't think I would feel comfortable with my 22 year old daughter and her friend doing this, let alone a 13-year old.
This is a different world than we grew up in. When I was 13, me and my friend would ride our bikes to a small town 5 miles away....and spend the day. We would play along the creek or play in one of several "woods" in the area....building forts and just playing........and wouldn't come home until supper time.
NO WAY would I allow my kids to do the things that I did....
I'm sure the parents of these girls, never DREAMED that this was remotely possible.........my heart goes out to them........what a tragedy!
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Here is a picture of the bridge where they found the girls...
(http://www.worldatlas.com/img/us-county/1298-carroll-county-indiana.jpg)
I got a google map screenshot I am downloading of it. . . Comcrap. . . :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 16, 2017, 12:22:17 PM
My wife and I was discussing this.........I don't think I would feel comfortable with my 22 year old daughter and her friend doing this, let alone a 13-year old.
This is a different world than we grew up in. When I was 13, me and my friend would ride our bikes to a small town 5 miles away....and spend the day. We would play along the creek or play in one of several "woods" in the area....building forts and just playing........and wouldn't come home until supper time.
NO WAY would I allow my kids to do the things that I did....
I'm sure the parents of these girls, never DREAMED that this was remotely possible.........my heart goes out to them........what a tragedy!
Here is a picture of the bridge where they found the girls...
Thanks Hank. That's a spooky looking picture.
But where is this bridge located on the maps you provided? I was looking on Google Maps around the Delphi area and couldn't see any railroad bridge close to the creek where they were found.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 16, 2017, 12:27:31 PM
I got a google map screenshot I am downloading of it. . . Comcrap. . . :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Thanks PH. Comcrap definitely sucks. :yes:
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/DELPHI%20TRAILHEAD_zpstzmnslnx.png) (http://s475.photobucket.com/user/hlovett_2008/media/DELPHI%20TRAILHEAD_zpstzmnslnx.png.html)
The circle is the trailhead and the bridge is right there.
So I guess this is where they were dropped off. Then, they were found about 3/4 of a mile in one direction or the other from the bridge, about 50' from the edge of the creek.
Creepy.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Delphi,+IN+46923/@40.571654,-86.6981679,14.24z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x881309e3541d5d2b:0xf17e204b5559ad82!8m2!3d40.5875371!4d-86.6750059 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Delphi,+IN+46923/@40.571654,-86.6981679,14.24z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x881309e3541d5d2b:0xf17e204b5559ad82!8m2!3d40.5875371!4d-86.6750059)
On this map, if you look at the map the trailhead is at the sw corner of the city, outside of the city itself. Right near the intersection of the Wabash River and Deer Creek.
Our camping spot was along the Wabash but not far from where the girls were discovered. The were found downstream from the bridge and about 50 feet/yards? from the creek itself.
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 12:42:20 PM
So I guess this is where they were dropped off. Then, they were found about 3/4 of a mile in one direction or the other from the bridge, about 50' from the edge of the creek.
Creepy.
Yes.
I see my problem now. I was looking for this area to the east of the town, but it's actually to the south-southwest of town. That's why I couldn't find it.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 16, 2017, 12:44:41 PM
On this map, if you look at the map the trailhead is at the sw corner of the city, outside of the city itself. Right near the intersection of the Wabash River and Deer Creek.
Our camping spot was along the Wabash but not far from where the girls were discovered. The were found downstream from the bridge and about 50 feet/yards? from the creek itself.
You sure they were downstream from the bridge? 3/4 of a mile downstream looks like it would put them right at the Wabash, if not in it.
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 12:46:26 PM
I see my problem now. I was looking for this area to the east of the town, but it's actually to the south-southwest of town. That's why I couldn't find it.
Actually the Monon High Bridge Trail also has a bridge to the NW of the city, within the city itself as well.
If you do a google map for Delphi, then once there search for the Monon High Bridge there is another bridge in the city itself. It appears it isn't that one to me, but there is another one. FYI. . .
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 12:49:09 PM
You sure they were downstream from the bridge? 3/4 of a mile downstream looks like it would put them right at the Wabash, if not in it.
That's what the report I watched early on stated. . . It may have been refined since that time. To be honest, I've avoided the story as much as possible because it seriously infuriates me. This is a horrible crime that victimized two innocent children and their families. I cannot fathom what I'd doff one of those girls were my grandchild. . . :mad:
The police are VERY closed mouthed surrounding this crime, as they should be,and aren't providing many details at all. So it is possible that some of the"information" the media is providing is based upon assumptions and not real information provided by investigators. Normally local press would be publishing maps with the location of the bodies marked. . . But nothing. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on February 16, 2017, 01:09:29 PM
Actually the Monon High Bridge Trail also has a bridge to the NW of the city, within the city itself as well.
If you do a google map for Delphi, then once there search for the Monon High Bridge there is another bridge in the city itself. It appears it isn't that one to me, but there is another one. FYI. . .
Are you sure we're looking at the right area here? The original article you posted states that police are looking for people who may have been taking pictures around that Monon High Bridge.
"Police want to speak with anyone who was in the area of the landmark Monon High Bridge may have seen someone, heard someone, or taken pictures."That would put the location of the murders on the other side of town from where we're currently looking.
Hank, is the picture you posted of the Monan High Bridge or is that the bridge in the area that PH and I are discussing?
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 01:21:01 PM
Hank, is the picture you posted of the Monan High Bridge or is that the bridge in the area that PH and I are discussing?
Okay, I think I sorted it out.
Hank's picture is indeed of the Monan high trail bridge nearby where the bodies were found. The map we're looking at is in the wrong area. The Monan High trail head is on the opposite area of town to the east of route 25.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 16, 2017, 01:09:29 PM
Actually the Monon High Bridge Trail also has a bridge to the NW of the city, within the city itself as well.
If you do a google map for Delphi, then once there search for the Monon High Bridge there is another bridge in the city itself. It appears it isn't that one to me, but there is another one. FYI. . .
I am not sure, but given the location the police were shown to be inhabiting during news reports, I assumed it was the one I posted. I might be wrong. But if you look at the location to the NW of the city, it is within he city itself,and not rural. How do 2 girls get murdered there without anyone hearing or seeing anything? Especially mid-afternoon?
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 01:21:01 PM
Hank, is the picture you posted of the Monan High Bridge or is that the bridge in the area that PH and I are discussing?
All I know is that the picture said it was the bridge where the two girls were found....
The Monan High bridge trail head is depicted on this map here and is to the east of the city.
http://www.indianatrails.com/?q=content/monon-high-bridge-trail-delphi
Police are looking for this man for questioning about the case. :spooked:
(https://tribwxin.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/delphi-poi.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&strip=all)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 16, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
All I know is that the picture said it was the bridge where the two girls were found....
I think you're right Hank. That was indeed the bridge and it's located at the pin on the map at the link I posted just above.
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 01:48:59 PM
I think you're right Hank. That was indeed the bridge and it's located at the pin on the map at the link I posted just above.
Okay. That is bridge 3 across the Deer Creek. And it does indeed appear to be an abandoned rail bridge.
The problem I am having is how the hell did they get to it? What little news coverage I have seen on this showed the trail head location . . .But they did say they were found downstream from an abandoned RR bridge. That appears to be the bridge in question.
I discounted the north west location due to the superstructure framework on that bridge. There is none at the location I previously posted, but the RR bridge on your map appears to be the actual spot. . .
Yeah I wondered how they would have accessed that area as well. I don't see any roads around there where they could have been dropped off.
Look at the Mary I Gerard Nature Reserve off of W 300 N. The trail is very close by there and the abandoned railroad bridge is close to there too. I'll bet that's where they accessed the trail.
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 04:28:54 PM
Look at the Mary I Gerard Nature Reserve off of W 300 N. The trail is very close by there and the abandoned railroad bridge is close to there too. I'll bet that's where they accessed the trail.
Yeah i assumed that too. The local media though showed the bridge at the spot I erroneously identified earlier as the drop off point for the girls, and authorities swarming the spot. . . Misleading to say the least. . .
Local news did have a spot this evening with the landowner of the property upon which they were found. And they showed a railroad bridge, complete with rails still in place, which they said was the bridge they were discovered downstream of. . .
Investigators say they have spoken to everyone that was in the area on Monday, except for the unidentified individual depicted within your earlier post. He has still not come forward nor has anyone identified him. . . :spooked:
So the picture that Hank posted earlier is indeed the bridge?
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 07:03:24 PM
So the picture that Hank posted earlier is indeed the bridge?
Nope. No train rails. I believe the one he posted earlier may be the one at the location I posted. . .
http://www.wthr.com/article/police-continue-pursuing-leads-in-delphi-girls-murders (http://www.wthr.com/article/police-continue-pursuing-leads-in-delphi-girls-murders)
This contains the interview with the land owner where the bodies were found.
The Monan High Bridge is the bridge they were discovered near. . . 1/2 mile UP stream. . .
I wonder where the police got the picture of that man.
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 07:39:49 PM
I wonder where the police got the picture of that man.
Good question. They were asking for anyone that had been in the area to come forward with ay pics they may have snapped while there; and apparently a lot of folks did. Likely that is the source???
They also have some pics the girls posted on social media (SnapChat). . .
I'm looking at the area closer on google earth to see what I can see surrounding the bridge. . .
Strangely, google maps shows the bridge we were pointed to by your map as being collapsed in September of 2014. (Date of the google image). No one was walking on that sucker then. . . or ow if that is the case.
I also want to interject a thought here. News media frequently insert stock imagery within their news stories so the one I saw this afternoon may not have been the actual bridge??? Moreover, the bridge Hank posted may very well be the one for all I know. . .
I wonder what the date of the imagery on regular google maps is?
No date infö that I can find on regular google maps. . . I suppose it likely was repaired?
BREAKING NEWS: State police won't confirm what they are searching for at the home, but say the information they received came from tips and interviews about the murders of Libby German and Abby Williams earlier this week.
UPDATE: Police say they don't expect an arrest to come from this search, but want to "make sure everything's okay."
They are searching a Delphi home in connection with this case. . .
Any more information up that way on the results of the home search?
Quote from: Locutus on February 17, 2017, 12:58:24 PM
Any more information up that way on the results of the home search?
Pretty much what PH just said.........they got a search warrant for a man who live in that area. But nothing has submerged from it yet.
Keep me posted. I've taken an interest in this case from afar.
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 01:48:17 PM
Police are looking for this man for questioning about the case. :spooked:
(https://tribwxin.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/delphi-poi.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&strip=all)
Indiana State Police have now said this man is a suspect.
Quote from: Locutus on February 19, 2017, 05:18:55 PM
Indiana State Police have now said this man is a suspect.
Yup. Likely from the get go, but since he hasn't turned up it seems very incriminating. . .
On the positive side, they held a memorial ride yesterday in Delphi to benefits the victims families. They expected about 200 bikes but around 5,000 showed up; exceeding the entire population of the city itself.
8)
Very cool.
I wonder how they captured that image of the suspect. It seems unlikely there are security cameras in that remote area.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 19, 2017, 05:59:25 PM
Yup. Likely from the get go, but since he hasn't turned up it seems very incriminating. . .
On the positive side, they held a memorial ride yesterday in Delphi to benefits the victims families. They expected about 200 bikes but around 5,000 showed up; exceeding the entire population of the city itself.
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The Alex Eagle Riders collected some money for them too as well as joined one of the rides. What's sad is Abby is an only child and her mom is a single mom.
Heard via a local law enforcement source today that the picture of that guy came from a trail cam camera. . . True or not, I do not know. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on February 20, 2017, 07:20:02 PM
Heard via a local law enforcement source today that the picture of that guy came from a trail cam camera. . . True or not, I do not know. . .
I've never heard of "trail cams" before, but there's no reason to suspect they don't exist.
I just hope they find him especially if he's a suspect in the murders.
Quote from: Locutus on February 20, 2017, 07:51:41 PM
I've never heard of "trail cams" before, but there's no reason to suspect they don't exist.
Trail Cams are used quite a bit by hunters. They place a weather-proofed camera, that is usually set off by movement, then it records. They can see exactly if a deer is using a certain trail.....the time it walks past, the size.......all sorts of info. High Tech Hunting....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 21, 2017, 10:22:39 AM
Trail Cams are used quite a bit by hunters. They place a weather-proofed camera, that is usually set off by movement, then it records. They can see exactly if a deer is using a certain trail.....the time it walks past, the size.......all sorts of info. High Tech Hunting....
Interesting. I wasn't aware of that.
Why don't the cops get NASA to enhance the photo and run the pictures on every TV station and in every news paper. I am quite sure they can improve the picture. :rant:
Quote from: Locutus on February 20, 2017, 07:51:41 PM
I've never heard of "trail cams" before, but there's no reason to suspect they don't exist.
I just hope they find him especially if he's a suspect in the murders.
I actually own several. Haven't used them in quite awhile and they have been improved greatly since I bought mine. . . Obviously though either that particular trail cam is as old as mine, or the picture it took is enlarged to the point of pixellation. . .
I ever start deer hunting again I may have to replace mine. . .
http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/browse/trail-cameras/_/N-1102678/Ne-4294390033/Ns-HAS_BAZAARVOICE_REVIEW%7C1%7C%7CPRODUCT_BAZAARVOICE_RATING%7C1%7C%7CPRODUCT_BAZAARVOICE_REVIEW_NUM%7C1?WTz_stype=GNU (http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/browse/trail-cameras/_/N-1102678/Ne-4294390033/Ns-HAS_BAZAARVOICE_REVIEW%7C1%7C%7CPRODUCT_BAZAARVOICE_RATING%7C1%7C%7CPRODUCT_BAZAARVOICE_REVIEW_NUM%7C1?WTz_stype=GNU)
So you guys think a hunter's camera captured that image, or was this some camera positioned to keep an eye on the human use of the trail?
Quote from: Locutus on February 21, 2017, 12:47:47 PM
So you guys think a hunter's camera captured that image, or was this some camera positioned to keep an eye on the human use of the trail?
I believe it is a camera mounted by the park service to monitor trail use, but I am not sure. There was no further clarification provided, nor did I feel comfortable probing for any further clarification.
I kind of doubt that a hunter would be using a trail cam in close proximity to a public hiking trail anyway. But you never know. . .
It's too bad that's happening on those trails. If like the Appalachian Trail, they're wonderful getaways. A :icon_evil: note is that there's been at least one murder on the Trail. That happened I would guess a decade ago in an area directly west from here, where I'd spent some time walking with a friend.
There have been quite a few murders on the Appalachian Trail.
Randall Lee Smith (http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/14/7-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-appalachian-trail/) was the closest your could come to a trail serial killer.
Killed two people, was paroled, and then tried to kill two more people just a few miles from the site of the original crime. :spooked:
Apparently there aren't any official trail cams on those trails. There is a group calling for them at this point in time though.
That photo came from one of the girls phones. There is also an audio recording of the man before he murdered them. . . :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
http://www.wthr.com/article/listen-police-release-audio-from-teens-cell-phone-in-delphi-murder-investigation (http://www.wthr.com/article/listen-police-release-audio-from-teens-cell-phone-in-delphi-murder-investigation)
Quote from: Palehorse on February 22, 2017, 11:34:42 AM
That photo came from one of the girls phones. There is also an audio recording of the man before he murdered them. . . :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
http://www.wthr.com/article/listen-police-release-audio-from-teens-cell-phone-in-delphi-murder-investigation (http://www.wthr.com/article/listen-police-release-audio-from-teens-cell-phone-in-delphi-murder-investigation)
"Down the hill" is whispered.......... ??? I pray that they nail this guy, very soon!
I listened to that but don't have a clue what he's saying in that audio loop. It didn't sound like "down the hill" to me.
Quote from: Locutus on February 22, 2017, 11:56:04 AM
I listened to that but don't have a clue what he's saying in that audio loop. It didn't sound like "down the hill" to me.
Now that they said 'down the hill' .... I can KIND of hear it.......but, I would have NEVER gotten that before. Very strange....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2017, 11:57:24 AM
Now that they said 'down the hill' .... I can KIND of hear it.......but, I would have NEVER gotten that before. Very strange....
I listened again and still don't get that.
I wonder if that's the only recording they have. Seems strange that's all there is if the girl was purposefully recording him as that article indicates.
It is MUCH clearer when you hear it on a good set of speakers.
Apparently it is a loop of that one instruction. No word on whether there is any more, but my assumption is that if the girl had the presence of mind to take a picture of the guy, she also had record on for a long time. They may very well have an entire recording of what transpired. . . :spooked:
This sick son of a bitch needs to be caught NOW! :mad: :mad: :mad:
The police are not entertaining any questions on the matter, and they are holding as much information as possible from the public.
They are hoping the guy will spout of to someone about details only he and they know about the case, and that the reward will entice the person he spouts off to, to drop a tip and his name. . .
Each hour that ticks by decreases the likelihood that this asshole will be caught. The picture has already been enhanced, so obviously the kid did not have a high end phone. (Another thing for the parents of tweens and teens to think about when they decide to get their kid a phone. Get the best one you can afford).
My guess is he's already in Florida. . . :icon_twisted: :spooked: :eek:
Okay, I put the earbuds in and I can hear him clearly saying, "Go down the hill." :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 22, 2017, 12:13:32 PM
Each hour that ticks by decreases the likelihood that this asshole will be caught. The picture has already been enhanced, so obviously the kid did not have a high end phone. (Another thing for the parents of tweens and teens to think about when they decide to get their kid a phone. Get the best one you can afford).
My guess is he's already in Florida. . . :icon_twisted: :spooked: :eek:
Hey now! Don't be sending this asshole my direction. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on February 22, 2017, 12:15:17 PM
Hey now! Don't be sending this asshole my direction. ;D
Only place I'd be sending him is straight to the lake of fire. . . I cannot help it if these idiots just seem to naturally migrate to Florida! :spooked: :yes: :spooked:
https://www.youtube.com/v/uRaZWK_MwHY
The police have said they have a video recording of the suspect as he followed the girls, in addition to the audio recording.
I'm betting that is why the picture is so poor. It's a frame capture from a video.
One would think they could improve on it in this day and age. The FBI especially. . .
I really hope they find this guy too, but like you, I'll bet he's mile from there by now, especially if he's some sort of drifter.
Quote from: Locutus on February 22, 2017, 01:08:34 PM
I really hope they find this guy too, but like you, I'll bet he's mile from there by now, especially if he's some sort of drifter.
I don't think he is a drifter. His clothing is too clean and appropriate for the area. Camo ball cap, boots, jeans. . . Only thing that strikes me as out of place is the fanny pack; and to me that is a sign he's not really what he is trying to appear to be. . .
My guess is he's a serial killer that just appeared on radar. He has likely done something similar to this before; and he will do it again. Only somewhere else. . . Whatever method he used to kill these girls, his supplies are in that fanny pack. (And perhaps even in his left front pocket of his jeans. It appears to be either an oversized cell phone or a pocket holster for a firearm.)
I've wondered several times if that guy was out specifically hunting for a victim or victims, or if he just chanced upon the girls and it became a crime of opportunity.
Quote from: Locutus on February 22, 2017, 02:16:27 PM
I've wondered several times if that guy was out specifically hunting for a victim or victims, or if he just chanced upon the girls and it became a crime of opportunity.
DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED OR DON'T WANT TO READ DETAILS OF A MURDERUnknown but I also wonder about that. Predators like that are frequently opportunists, and if they feel safe in the environment they strike. 1:00 on a Monday afternoon likely means there weren't very many people home, and those that were likely were asleep for the night shift. (If they aren't retired or unemployed). Combine that with a remote location and it is a formula for this kind of thing to happen.
The sad thing is the lack of that kind of crap in Central Indiana is what attracted me to this area 20 years ago. Unfortunately it appears it has arrived. Ironically it is worse in Illinois though, especially around the metro Chicagoland area.
A guy I went to elementary and high school with, (while we were in 9th grade), killed my younger sisters best friend. . . I had several paper routes back then when I was 14 years old, and as a result I was always up early; usually before most anyone in the neighborhood except the bread lovers who frequented the bakeries at 6:00am.
Sonia was at our house that evening and had dinner with us. She was a very attractive young girl, and nature had been very kind to her. I knew her brothers well, as I played sports with them, so as a result we kind of hung out at times. By the time she was leaving to walk home, I asked her if she'd like me to walk with her. She declined and said "I'll be alright. Nobody's going to bother me." Against my better judgement I said goodnight to her, and watched her out of sight.
The next morning I was up at 4:30am, folding papers and then took a quick shower before hopping onto my bicycle to run my routes. I had a small radio that I kept in the bathroom, so I could listen to music while I got cleaned up, and hear the news. I was getting dressed when a bulletin came across reporting that a young woman had been found murdered within the overnight hours and an investigation was under way. They gave the cross streets and when I heard them I rushed to my bike, grabbed the bags and strapped them on, and pedaled my ass as hard as I could to that intersection.
It was routinely the ending spot of my route, so I just thought I'd have a look around and just run it in reverse. I pedaled around the intersection and it didn't take me long to spot the crime scene.
Back then the local LEO's and Detectives used polaroid cameras to document crime scenes, and I saw a TON of the negatives from those shots sitting on the ground in the alleyway. I picked every single one of them up and shoved them into the pocket of one of my bags, without looking at them. You could see where the woman had laid as the blood had pooled and was just left for the property owner to clean up. (You have to remember this was pre- HIV and Bio-Hazard legislation). Once I'd had a good look at the scene I began my routes.
As my mind ran through what I had just seen and heard on the radio, a couple of things came to mind; My friend Marty lived on the third floor of the apartment building that is right across the alleyway from the crime scene, and of course, I wondered if Sonia had made it home safely. . .
As I tossed my last paper onto the porch of my customer, I decided to ride back by that area again to see if I could spot Marty outside so I could ask him about it. As fate would have it Marty was outside with his dog, so I swung over to say hello and ask him what he knew about that blood in the alley. He told me that his mother had taken the trash out when they arrived home from a late movie and thought it was a store dummy someone had thrown out onto the apron of the garage across the alley. She was going to go pick it up but when she got closer she saw the blood and ran back into the house screaming to call the police someone was dead in the alley. And it was a girl. Marty said he'd watched the cops from his bedroom window for several hours, then went to bed.
By the time I arrived home the news had already broken, and Sonia's parents were at the house. They had told my parents and my sister, and as I rolled up her brothers came in on their bikes right behind me, and told me. I was shocked and devastated. They said the cops did not know who had done it, so they were wanting to talk to anyone that had seen her.
Dad loaded us all into the car and we went straight to the police station. The detectives on the case were good friends of my father's and so I felt very comfortable talking to them. One of them asked me why I didn't just walk with her anyway, and I told him she was adamant about it, saying her brothers would start teasing her that she had a boyfriend. I also told him I didn't like it and had watched her out of sight.
He asked me if I knew the route she would typically take from our house to hers, and I told him I did, and I road with him along that route in the car. In the front seat. He said he didn't want anyone to get the wrong idea about me.
Her usual route would take her past the community center, which was closed most evenings unless there was a softball tournament going on. Or hockey in the winter. The "shortcut" was to walk straight across the field and cut through the back parking lot, under the bridge, then just a coupe of more blocks to her house. She usually took that shortcut when it was late. It was late when she left that night.
He then asked me if I knew who the usual bunch of malcontents were that hung out in that parking lot at night. I did. My sister's "boyfriend", Chuck, and a small handful of others. I gave him all the names I knew, and he wrote them down. He asked me if I knew where they all lived, which I did and provided him with that info too. Then he took me straight home and told me to tell my dad what I had told him. (I did).
In all the commotion I had forgotten about those negatives, so when I got home I eventually remembered them and asked my dad to come out to the garage as I had something I wanted to show him. I pulled the negatives out of the pocket and we started looking at them, and eventually dad grabbed them all away from me and said I didn't need to look at that kind of thing. But I'd seen more than enough by that point.
They had raped and mutilated her in that alleyway, biting off her nipples, and shoving her own hairbrush into her vagina untold number of times; then left her there to bleed out and die. They had taken broken soda bottle glass and carved chucks out of her legs and torso as well. She had to have been dead when they did all of that because she would have screamed bloody murder. But no one had heard a thing.
That same evening we were shocked to see the police at my sister's "boyfriends" house. They had a search warrant and discovered the clothing he had worn during her rape and murder, shoved into a floor drain in the basement. Her blood had soaked the clothing.
The next day Chuck was arrested as well and charged with the very same crimes. They found the clothing he had worn under an old mattress in the alley behind his house. (His mother wrote his name on all his clothes so it was an easy connect the dots). Her brothers were frothing at the mouth to get to them. After the trail and with each of them being sentenced to Statesville Prison for 25-life, it didn't take long for their anger to boil over.
One of them told me he was going to rob a liquor store with a stolen gun, and get caught on purpose. He wanted to be sent to the same prison so he could kill both of those guys for what they had done. I didn't believe him, but he did exactly that. It took him a year or two to get close enough to them, but he eventually did it. And they died horribly as he eviscerated them both with a prison shank, and they bled out on the floor, spilling their entrails out along the way.
I never liked either one of those guys, and my sister and I had numerous arguments over the fact I thought her boyfriend was a murderer. (I thought this because I saw him tie a cats front paws to a fence and then grab it by its back paws and slice it's belly wide open.) I hated that asshole from that point on.
Chuck and I had been sent to the deans/principal's offices numerous times over the years, for fighting each other. I hated that asshole too, and it didn't take much for me to just start kicking his ass. It wasn't just me, but he and I fought so often, every time he turned up with a busted lip or nose, or blackened eye, I always was asked if the two of us had been fighting again.
I was devastated by what had happened that night and the following day. My sister was unconsolable for weeks, but from that point on she gave great weight to any "feedback" I gave her surrounding any guy she was dating; and she dropped a few like a hot skillet in a bare hand over it too.
Dad took the negatives and gave them to his detective buddies, and gave them an earful for leaving that kind of stuff laying around.
And as it turned out, those two were also eventually charged and convicted with another young girls murder in town, that had happened the previous fall. (They found her panties in the dresser of one, and her bra in the dresser of the other; among other things.) And the other malcontents were responsible for their being identified and convicted, as the police had asked them each, Hey did you guys see Sonia over here last night? Most them responded by telling them who she had left with and what direction they were headed in. . .
Kids. If kids can do such horrific things imagine how horrendous and adult can be. . . Or imagine how much worse a kid like them would be if they are not caught early. . .
:spooked: :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
What a story!
Quote from: Locutus on February 22, 2017, 07:31:00 PM
:spooked: :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
What a story!
And people ask me why I ever left Chicago. . . That shit is real. I lived it. Every single word of it is truth. You just cannot make that kind of shit up; and if you can you're in the wrong business and should be giving King and Koontz competition. :yes: :spooked: :eek:
I wish I could say this was the only grisly event I was witness to in my formidable years, but it isn't. Not by a long shot. . . I've been sprayed with the brain matter of a good friend at least a couple of times, seen people purposely run over by a motor vehicle, and witnessed stabbings and craniums being beaten in with baseball bats and chains. And that was before I was out of high school!
It is a wonder I made it to 18 years of age now that I think about it. :spooked: Hell, I once went off a bridge in a Vega on senior cut day, and into a river during a snow storm. . . (No I wasn't driving). Emerged without a scratch. . . We both did. . . :spooked:
If any of you remember the little MacKenzie girl who was murdered about 20 years ago, she was killed by a very young person, I think he was 12 or 13. He had molested her then when she threatened to tell he pretty much stomped her to death. They had to have two trials, first one was a hung jury. One of the jurors said he didn't think a child should be convicted of murder even if he did it. My grandson was in the same class at school, Southview. They were in first or second grade. It took awhile for him to get over being afraid of 'the big boys.
Quote from: Anne on February 22, 2017, 08:11:19 PM
If any of you remember the little MacKenzie girl who was murdered about 20 years ago, she was killed by a very young person, I think he was 12 or 13. He had molested her then when she threatened to tell he pretty much stomped her to death. They had to have two trials, first one was a hung jury. One of the jurors said he didn't think a child should be convicted of murder even if he did it. My grandson was in the same class at school, Southview. They were in first or second grade. It took awhile for him to get over being afraid of 'the big boys.
Unfortunately, we humans are capable of despicable acts regardless of age or any other factors.
Quote from: Anne on February 22, 2017, 08:11:19 PM
If any of you remember the little MacKenzie girl who was murdered about 20 years ago, she was killed by a very young person, I think he was 12 or 13. He had molested her then when she threatened to tell he pretty much stomped her to death. They had to have two trials, first one was a hung jury. One of the jurors said he didn't think a child should be convicted of murder even if he did it. My grandson was in the same class at school, Southview. They were in first or second grade. It took awhile for him to get over being afraid of 'the big boys.
Chuckie was 15 when he was convicted of criminal rape and premeditated murder. He spent the 1st couple of years in a juvenile facility, but they sentenced him as an adult. That sentencing was subject to appeal, but once the pair of them were charged with a second murder, mutilation, and rape, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that he was spend the rest of his life in prison. Which he did. But it wasn't a long stretch. . . For either of them.
I remember when my sisters boyfriend was out on bail before the trial. I ran into him as he sat on the stoop of the Polish Deli that Wednesday. I just looked at him and asked him what the hell he was doing out of jail. His parents had put up their two flat to make his bail. (Most stores were closed on Wednesdays back then). He was 18 and was going straight to the big house once they had the trial. He had been in the Cook County Jail, which isn't a picnic either.
I remember telling him he had better get his ass home before someone looking to kill him sees him. I didn't make it to the end of the block before a group of friends of her brothers spotted him. 2 minutes later the cops were on them, but he was bleeding from a busted lip, head, and nose. They would have killed him had the cops not been tailing him.
Some people just don't have a conscious . . . :spooked:
Quote from: Locutus on February 22, 2017, 08:13:50 PM
Unfortunately, we humans are capable of despicable acts regardless of age or any other factors.
I once had aspirations to become a police officer. But decided very early on that dealing with the very worst of humanity every day, all day, would have turned me into a monster of some kind. It was bad enough what I had seen all through my childhood. I wasn't up for a daily dose of that crap. :no:
I don't know how the men and women that do that for a living can stay sane. It's no wonder a large percentage of them turn to substance abuse or worse. . .
Sorry everyone. I didn't intend to take this topic for a stroll down creepshow lane and my old neighborhood.
The thing that got me thinking about all of this were the words and emotions of the Commander of the Indiana State Police and the other authorities that spoke at the press conference this morning. They were/are visibly and emotionally shaken by what has happened, and if you think about the fact that they deal with the worst of humanity every day, for this to evoke such an obvious emotional response from them says a lot surrounding the nature of what took place with these two girls. It is horrific; and probably far worse than any of us can imagine. . .
These threads always take on a life of their own. :yes:
WOW! :spooked: That story could make a good movie.......unfortunately, it makes for a horrific real life tragedy for a family in Chicago........and that stuff goes on...DAILY!!!
I don't think I will ever remotely understand, HOW it is possible for someone to be that evil!!
I think, because of so many movies, TV shows and video games made after such events, much of our population has become NUMB to tragedies like these.........until it hits home.
Any new developments over the last 2-3 days?
Quote from: Locutus on February 26, 2017, 12:39:24 PM
Any new developments over the last 2-3 days?
Nope. :mad:
That guy is most likely not going to be found.
The only way he may be caught is if:
1. He's originally from, or lives in that area, and someone knows him and turns him in.
2. He's a serial killer who kills again, gets caught as part of some future crime, and then confesses to this one.
Like you said previously, the chances of them finding him lessens considerably with each passing day.
I wonder what kind of forensic evidence the police have. If they have some DNA that would help down the road. They really haven't put much information out. I understand why, but it seems odd that there is nothing being said.
Because they are conducting a double-homicide investigation as it SHOULD be conducted; outside of the media and the eyes and ears of the general public. They'll never reveal what they know, other than what may be necessary to catch the criminal(s).
When and if they catch him, we'll likely hear a whole lot more than we want to know at the arraignment hearing.
I'm with Locutus on this though. It has been 2 weeks and no suspect identified. There never may be.
Were the girls sexually assaulted as well, or just murdered?
Quote from: Locutus on February 28, 2017, 09:13:03 AM
Were the girls sexually assaulted as well, or just murdered?
Unknown. Authorities have been absolutely silent surrounding any details outside of the fact the girls were murdered. They have not even said how they were murdered.
http://www.wthr.com/article/pat-mcafee-jim-irsay-raise-delphi-reward-to-200k (http://www.wthr.com/article/pat-mcafee-jim-irsay-raise-delphi-reward-to-200k)
Irsay and Pat McAfee have raid the reward to 200k. 8)
If the perp(s) is a Hoosier, then soon another Hoosier will turn his ass in. We are quickly approaching the kind of money that will make a Hoosier turn in his mother.
Part of me doubts that guy is anywhere near that area.
Quote from: Locutus on March 01, 2017, 11:14:52 AM
Part of me doubts that guy is anywhere near that area.
I feel the same. My guess is he was on his way to parts unknown as soon as he was done with the girls. :mad:
But as we have learned recently, there is no accounting for the actions of stupid people; so if this monster is a Hoosier and he is still in the state, eventually the reward should help shine a light on him.
Pat McAfee, Jim Irsay donate cash to bring Delphi reward to $200,000
Here are my opines on this case.
To my eye, there are two scenarios.
1) The girls - or one of them - had prior contact with the murderer, scheduled a meeting, and went to the trail explicitly to meet the murderer.
2) This was a crime of opportunity - a chance meeting.
If it's number one, there should be some evidentiary trail leading towards the murderer.
If it's number two - and especially if the murderer was not from the area and even out of state - the odds are slim for apprehension unless the murderer is a serial killer and screws up another murder.
My main questions are: a) how did the murderer get to the crime area; b) if there was a vehicle, where was it parked; c) where is the murderer's trail down to the crime scene and away from the crime scene; d) why were the girls dropped off alone and why were they there?
My opinion on the investigation is that the local and state LEO's don't have a clue and may have already bungled the investigation and are only making noises until the public scrutiny blows over. I hope that doesn't turn out to be true.
As usual Y, those are good observations all the way around.
Quote from: Locutus on March 01, 2017, 01:24:07 PM
As usual Y, those are good observations all the way around.
TY, I appreciate the compliment, but unfortunately I think my previous point it true:
Quote from: Y on March 01, 2017, 01:19:31 PM
My opinion on the investigation is that the local and state LEO's don't have a clue and may have already bungled the investigation and are only making noises until the public scrutiny blows over. I hope that doesn't turn out to be true.
I'd lay money now that everything I stated is true. Sad, but true.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 22, 2017, 01:27:54 PM
. . .
My guess is he's a serial killer that just appeared on radar. He has likely done something similar to this before; and he will do it again. Only somewhere else. . . Whatever method he used to kill these girls, his supplies are in that fanny pack. (And perhaps even in his left front pocket of his jeans. It appears to be either an oversized cell phone or a pocket holster for a firearm.)
I'm saying he's a serial killer almost for sure. . . And he will eventually be caught through some other murder. . . As Y says, too much time has passed and if someone knew who he was they'd have already coughed up his name and location for the reward. He's just as gone as the lives of those two girls. . . :mad: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Police spokesman says there is a "similar case" that took place in Iowa, however they cannot connect the two cases at this time. . .
224,000 reward
Libby's Grandfather spoke on behalf of the family. Well spoken gentleman and how he was able to stand there and answer what were in some cases, seriously stupid and repetitive questions, without losing it, is beyond me. I now know where Libby got her ability to think on her feet. (At least in part).
No new information and law enforcement refused to confirm or deny anything. "No definitive answers", "No stone will be left unturned and we are open to anything". Political cop speak for we don't know anymore than we did day one. . . and if we do we aren't saying. . .
Once again, I am astonished at the emotional reaction from law enforcement in this case. Indiana State Police clearly are having a VERY tough time emotionally with this crime and the circumstances. The ISP spokesman who also spoke, Sergeant Grimes, was responsive and correctly evasive in his answers to reporters questions; eventually wrestling with his emotions at the end of the conference. Clearly ISP cares. . .
One fact that did come out is that Libby did indeed record (video) the guy. . . and left the phone on record. . . So (I would assume) they have some pretty gruesome audio, and perhaps video, of what transpired. . .
I could not ever imagine having to watch and listen to that. I hope they don't call me to serve on this idiots jury; not because I'd have an issue with finding him guilty, because that would not be a problem. I'm just not sure how I would handle having to listen/view the recorded material in open court. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
Here's a link to local coverage of the conference this morning:
http://www.wthr.com/article/please-we-need-your-help-libby-germans-grandfather-speaks (http://www.wthr.com/article/please-we-need-your-help-libby-germans-grandfather-speaks)
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2017/03/09/family-slain-delphi-girl-speak-out-today/98943428/ (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2017/03/09/family-slain-delphi-girl-speak-out-today/98943428/)
Here's a theory on what happened to Abby and Libby, and the possible link between their murders and those of two other girls murdered in Iowa in 2012. . .
https://www.youtube.com/v/q-ApcUeBenA
Wow! Very interesting.
May not be connected at all, but there are certainly some similarities that are interesting.
Quote from: Locutus on March 12, 2017, 04:40:19 PM
Wow! Very interesting.
May not be connected at all, but there are certainly some similarities that are interesting.
Seems like a bit of a reach to me, but then who really knows the mind of a serial killer? :spooked:
Yeah, there's no way that a serial killer can plan a day when two girls are going to just show up and hike on a trail all alone. He can lurk in and around trails, obviously, but there's no way of knowing when two young girls would be out alone.
What do you think about the sum of the dates mentioned in the video?
http://www.wthr.com/article/police-search-home-property-of-man-where-delphi-teens-were-found (http://www.wthr.com/article/police-search-home-property-of-man-where-delphi-teens-were-found)
Police searched the home of the man that lives on the property where the girls were found.
He is on probation for something or another. No word on what, if anything, was discovered. . . But early on my wife mentioned she was suspicious of him after he gave an interview to WTHR and escorted them to the area where the girls were found in a segment that aired within days of their discovery. . .
Quote from: Locutus on March 12, 2017, 04:54:53 PM
Yeah, there's no way that a serial killer can plan a day when two girls are going to just show up and hike on a trail all alone. He can lurk in and around trails, obviously, but there's no way of knowing when two young girls would be out alone.
What do you think about the sum of the dates mentioned in the video?
Stranger things have happened, and while I am doubtful of the numbers theory I wouldn't toss it onto the scrap heap just yet. If there is one thing I've learned in life, it is that truth is stranger than fiction a lot of the time. . .
Anything come of the search yet?
Quote from: Locutus on March 28, 2017, 03:44:23 PM
Anything come of the search yet?
Nothing I have seen or heard. . . But I have been rather busy so far this week. . .
Quote from: Locutus on March 28, 2017, 03:44:23 PM
Anything come of the search yet?
It's been 6 weeks (https://www.wthr.com/article/six-weeks-later-information-continues-coming-in-to-delphi-murder-investigators), yet the police dept is still optimistic..........I'm not quite as optimistic, but hopeful.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 18, 2017, 09:41:33 PM
http://www.wthr.com/article/police-search-home-property-of-man-where-delphi-teens-were-found (http://www.wthr.com/article/police-search-home-property-of-man-where-delphi-teens-were-found)
Police searched the home of the man that lives on the property where the girls were found.
He is on probation for something or another. No word on what, if anything, was discovered. . . But early on my wife mentioned she was suspicious of him after he gave an interview to WTHR and escorted them to the area where the girls were found in a segment that aired within days of their discovery. . .
Stranger things have happened, and while I am doubtful of the numbers theory I wouldn't toss it onto the scrap heap just yet. If there is one thing I've learned in life, it is that truth is stranger than fiction a lot of the time. . .
Unless the killer left a finger print or some DNA this case may never be solved. It happens all the time across the nation. :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on March 29, 2017, 02:04:34 PM
Unless the killer left a finger print or some DNA this case may never be solved. It happens all the time across the nation. :yes:
Yep!
And as the time since the killings grows larger, the more likely is is that you're right, and the case will go unsolved.
DELPHI, Ind. (WTHR) - The owner of the property of the man where Delphi teens Libby German and Abby Williams were found last month appeared in a Carroll County courtroom on Monday.
Ron Logan had been arrested in March in Delphi on an unrelated probation violation allegation.
In the hearing, Logan entered a guilty plea to a charge of Habitual Traffic Violator and also admitted to having violated the terms of probation.
Sentencing for both matters is set for April 10, 2017 at 11:00 am.
. . .
http://www.wthr.com/article/owner-of-delphi-property-where-murdered-teens-were-found-pleads-guilty-to-unrelated-charge (http://www.wthr.com/article/owner-of-delphi-property-where-murdered-teens-were-found-pleads-guilty-to-unrelated-charge)
So while the city/county will likely have additional revenues and/or another mouth to feed, still nothing on the murderer of these girls. . .
In 5 years we'll see Adam Walsh's replacement talking about this on a special "America's Most Wanted". . .
I suspect the police rousted the property owner simply to make it look as if they're doing something, and the property owner is paying the price.
If it isn't obvious by now the police don't have a clue, I don't know what will wake up people to that fact.
By now, I'd be suspicious of the police motives if they were to accuse anyone.
This appears to be one of those cases that will either not be solved or until some serial killer is caught and admits to it.
The entire thing stinks!
Quote from: Y on April 06, 2017, 02:23:20 PM
I suspect the police rousted the property owner simply to make it look as if they're doing something, and the property owner is paying the price.
If it isn't obvious by now the police don't have a clue, I don't know what will wake up people to that fact.
By now, I'd be suspicious of the police motives if they were to accuse anyone.
This appears to be one of those cases that will either not be solved or until some serial killer is caught and admits to it.
The entire thing stinks!
Clearly you are correct, and the assumption that it will only be solved when the serial killer is via a slip up or mistake with later victims places him into the spotlight, is one I and several others share.
This case is frustrating for all involved, including the LEO's charged with investigating the case. It is a testimony to the sheer idiocy of the political angle that permeates law enforcement that makes them blow smoke and pull out the mirrors. The power hungry brass wanting to keep their cozy positions, and/or move toward higher office. It all serves to force the spotlight onto red herrings and pull resources from the true justice that needs to be served. . . :mad:
The emotions on full display where local and state law enforcement are concerned at the start of this case, were/are real, and I am certain a large percentage of them are even more frustrated over this case than any of us can imagine. Except for the parents, I doubt anyone is more frustrated than they are.
It's a dirty job, and the flotsam makes it worse. . . :mad:
Does anyone know how this all played out? Did the murderer get caught?
Quote from: Laci Ann on July 06, 2017, 09:20:45 PM
Does anyone know how this all played out? Did the murderer get caught?
Nope. 😡😡😡
This one is going to go down as unsolved, unfortunately.
So very sad, I agree with Locutus I would not allow my child to go hiking in the woods with another child.
This sketch was just released.........they are still optimistic, they will find this guy.
(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/us/2017/07/17/delphi-murders-indiana-state-police-release-suspect-sketch-in-slayings-2-girls/_jcr_content/article-text/article-par-3/embed_image/image.img.jpg/612/344/1500305853055.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
Any idea how they came up with the sketch?
Quote from: Locutus on July 17, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
Any idea how they came up with the sketch?
This came from the Indiana State Police, who say they have been working on it for a while now and feel NOW, is the time to release it. They are still optimistic that they will indeed, get this guy.
I meant how they gave the artist a description detailed enough for them to craft the image. As far as I had heard, the only images that existed of him were from that grainy trail-cam a couple of days after it happened. The sketch looks fairly detailed to have come from that.
Here's an article on CNN about the case from this afternoon.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/17/us/indiana-girls-suspect-sought/index.html
Quote from: Locutus on July 17, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
Any idea how they came up with the sketch?
I suspect the 'sketch' is as much BS as the rest of this 'investigation' has been.
It smells like preventive medicine against public opinion - just like the phony raid and arrest of the landowner.
The police have nothing, they've botched this case from the beginning, and odds are this 'sketch' is only going to cause harassment - and possibly death - to innocent parties.
They said that they made the sketch from multiple descriptions of eyewitnesses that saw the man that day, and the photograph(s).
Creepy. . . But I too am skeptical of its authenticity.
I do wish we could find this asshole though. 😡😡😡
Quote from: Palehorse on July 18, 2017, 10:42:42 AM
They said that they made the sketch from multiple descriptions of eyewitnesses that saw the man that day, and the photograph(s).
Creepy. . . But I too am skeptical of its authenticity.
I do wish we could find this asshole though. 😡😡😡
I see. I didn't know that anyone had seen him outside of the two dead girls.
Quote from: Locutus on July 18, 2017, 11:41:20 AM
I see. I didn't know that anyone had seen him outside of the two dead girls.
Nor did I. But they did keep the public and media in the dark for a sustained period initially.
http://www.wthr.com/article/carroll-co-sheriff-investigating-possible-link-between-colorado-suspect-and-delphi-murders (http://www.wthr.com/article/carroll-co-sheriff-investigating-possible-link-between-colorado-suspect-and-delphi-murders)
Those of you that have been following this topic, and the subject; there is a development. (That if things pan out will prove the early on theory that this double murderer would not be caught until he did something else)
Within the last week to ten days, someone was shot with a .22 firearm on the trails near Woodland CO. Shortly thereafter police received reports of a male subject menacing people with a hatchet.
Early this week police stopped a vehicle for an equipment violation. . . and an expired license plate. An expired Indiana license plate. They believed the vehicle was occupied by the hatchet man. They were right.
Moreover, a search of the vehicle turned up a .22 rifle and the hatchet.
Woodland PD sent records of the arrest to the authorities working the Delphi case, and today those same investigators are calling this guy a "person of interest".
He was living in central Indiana, homeless off and on, and was working off and on framing homes in the Zionsville area. (About an hour drive south of Delphi). And it would appear he was working there in February, off and on.
He is a registered sex offender in 3 states, and has a fairly lengthy criminal history. . . So there are mug shots of him; some of which are in the article I have posted the link to. In one of those pictures he absolutely resembles the drawing local authorities here have been circulating. . . So similar it creeped me out a bit. . .
I'm hoping this is the asshole they've been looking for. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on September 30, 2017, 01:20:00 AM
http://www.wthr.com/article/carroll-co-sheriff-investigating-possible-link-between-colorado-suspect-and-delphi-murders (http://www.wthr.com/article/carroll-co-sheriff-investigating-possible-link-between-colorado-suspect-and-delphi-murders)
Those of you that have been following this topic, and the subject; there is a development. (That if things pan out will prove the early on theory that this double murderer would not be caught until he did something else)
Within the last week to ten days, someone was shot with a .22 firearm on the trails near Woodland CO. Shortly thereafter police received reports of a male subject menacing people with a hatchet.
Early this week police stopped a vehicle for an equipment violation. . . and an expired license plate. An expired Indiana license plate. They believed the vehicle was occupied by the hatchet man. They were right.
Moreover, a search of the vehicle turned up a .22 rifle and the hatchet.
Woodland PD sent records of the arrest to the authorities working the Delphi case, and today those same investigators are calling this guy a "person of interest".
He was living in central Indiana, homeless off and on, and was working off and on framing homes in the Zionsville area. (About an hour drive south of Delphi). And it would appear he was working there in February, off and on.
He is a registered sex offender in 3 states, and has a fairly lengthy criminal history. . . So there are mug shots of him; some of which are in the article I have posted the link to. In one of those pictures he absolutely resembles the drawing local authorities here have been circulating. . . So similar it creeped me out a bit. . .
I'm hoping this is the asshole they've been looking for. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
Must not have been the guy. . . 😡
That's too bad. I thought they may have been onto something.
Quote from: Locutus on October 23, 2017, 11:26:28 AM
That's too bad. I thought they may have been onto something.
I did as well. It may be that they are awaiting DNA analysis but I really don't know. . .
Today is the 1 year anniversary of this horrible incident....
They may never find the killer, especially if he is/was some sort of drifter. If he is, he'll do this again in some other area. That's the scary part.
Quote from: Locutus on March 29, 2018, 06:11:59 PM
They may never find the killer, especially if he is/was some sort of drifter. If he is, he'll do this again in some other area. That's the scary part.
Sure will. I was hopeful when they went out to Colorado to interview that jackass that got busted out there. He sure showed a very strong resemblance to the sketch the authorities came up with. But so far nothing came from it. . . I did hear they were trying to bring him back here for some obscure reason or another. . . Which may or may not mean they haven't entirely excluded him yet. . .
Still no resolution in this case. As far as I know they are no closer to finding the killer than they were the day it happened. . . :mad:
I think we all feared that this would be the ultimate outcome back when it happened. If that guy's a drifter, they may never find him. But I'll guarantee you one thing. There are other victims out there, some of which may be undiscovered.
Quote from: Locutus on July 05, 2018, 11:56:26 AM
I think we all feared that this would be the ultimate outcome back when it happened. If that guy's a drifter, they may never find him. But I'll guarantee you one thing. There are other victims out there, some of which may be undiscovered.
Agreed. As much as I hate to admit it you are absolutely correct. 😢
It is a shame, but every year hundreds of kids and people disappear and never found. Their killers never found. :rant:
It's doubtful, but I wonder if this guy could have been somehow connected to this.
Indiana Child Killer Taunted Little Girls (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/07/16/i-been-watching-you-a-child-killer-taunted-little-girls-with-terrifying-notes-police-say-after-30-years-dna-led-to-an-arrest/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0fba8b9ef1e8)
Wish they'd catch this idiot before he kills again. It may very well have been the guy in the post above, but I assume they've got DNA from the two recent victims and have already compared the profiles to no avail. . .
$240,000 + $100,000 dollar rewards for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the detritus feeder that committed these murders, and still no one has come forward to identify him.
This tells me he is a loner that associates only with a very small number of individuals. If any. Likely these associations are fleeting and serve a purpose in his evil initiatives. He is likely highly mobile and leaves the area(s) in which he commits these atrocities in an expedited manner.
All of this means that unless there is heavy national distribution of these rewards and information, no one is ever going to turn this guy in and claim those rewards. And until he kills again and makes another mistake, he will enjoy the liberty and life he so callously took from these two young women.
The guy is a serial killer, so he will kill again. He's likely in a remote area of this country, if he remain in the country at all. He fears technology now because even in remote areas, people carry cell phones; so he will destroy them and/or take them from his future victims. He will likely never be caught unless he makes another mistake like the one he did in committing these killings. . . :mad:
The LEO's messed this one up from the beginning. It will be a miracle if the murderer is ever brought to justice. :rant:
They just caught a child molester a hundred mile from where the girls were killed. The pictures sure looked like the picture of the guy. Now they got to prove it was him. I sure hope so, the god damn bastard. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on January 21, 2019, 09:56:47 AM
They just caught a child molester a hundred mile from where the girls were killed. The pictures sure looked like the picture of the guy. Now they got to prove it was him. I sure hope so, the god damn bastard. :rant:
I saw that on the national news. There is a striking resemblance, but I'm not going to be happy until the killer is caught. The police are being really quiet about this possibly being the guy until he is interviewed.
Here is the camera image from the date of the killings juxtaposed with the sketch and the current mugshot of Charles Andrew Eldridge.
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 01:48:17 PM
The Monan High bridge trail head is depicted on this map here and is to the east of the city.
http://www.indianatrails.com/?q=content/monon-high-bridge-trail-delphi
Police are looking for this man for questioning about the case. :spooked:
(https://tribwxin.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/delphi-poi.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&strip=all)
(https://www.insideedition.com/sites/default/files/styles/931x523/public/images/2019-01/012019-indianadeaths-1280x720.jpg?h=c673cd1c&itok=AXEvcjq0)
I don't know. He looks too big to be that guy in the picture. . . But, if they have dna it doesn't lie. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on January 21, 2019, 02:39:24 PM
I don't know. He looks too big to be that guy in the picture. . . But, if they have dna it doesn't lie. . .
Have they ever said if they recovered DNA from the killer of the girls?
Quote from: Locutus on January 21, 2019, 04:01:27 PM
Have they ever said if they recovered DNA from the killer of the girls?
Not officially, so no.
Quote from: Locutus on January 21, 2019, 01:07:16 PM
Here is the camera image from the date of the killings juxtaposed with the sketch and the current mugshot of Charles Andrew Eldridge.
(https://www.insideedition.com/sites/default/files/styles/931x523/public/images/2019-01/012019-indianadeaths-1280x720.jpg?h=c673cd1c&itok=AXEvcjq0)
That guy reminds me of Sloth from the Goonies!
Reports indicate that there will be an announcement on Monday surrounding a "new direction" in this investigation based upon a significant development. 😳
Quote from: Palehorse on April 20, 2019, 12:35:47 PM
Reports indicate that there will be an announcement on Monday surrounding a "new direction" in this investigation based upon a significant development. 😳
Let us know as soon as you know something about the announcement or have a link.
Quote from: Locutus on April 22, 2019, 04:02:39 PM
Let us know as soon as you know something about the announcement or have a link.
https://fox59.com/2019/04/22/former-fbi-impd-investigators-explain-how-new-sketch-in-delphi-murders-could-help-solve-case/ (https://fox59.com/2019/04/22/former-fbi-impd-investigators-explain-how-new-sketch-in-delphi-murders-could-help-solve-case/)
they have a new sketch of the suspect....
They released voice recording of the guy talking to the girls, a short clip of him walking on the bridge, and a new sketch. . https://www.wthr.com/article/police-delphi-killer-hiding-plain-sight-new-images-released
Nothing more surrounding this at this time.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 28, 2019, 03:50:11 PMNothing more surrounding this at this time.
Seems like every time there's a glimmer of hope, all goes dark again.
That damn ISP guy that keeps blowing off on this case needs to lose his job. It wouldn't surprise me that he's the one who's screwed this case up from the beginning.
Did everyone catch the last information that came out this year about the case?
Quote from: Y on July 09, 2022, 08:49:58 AMDid everyone catch the last information that came out this year about the case?
I have not. I work too much, avoid news casts like the plague, and am done with 22 years of the news being about the person sitting in the White House. . .
Check it out.
I'm wondering how the case will go surrounding the man they are charging with these murders. . . From what I know it seems shaky at best, relying on a wealth of "witness testimony " that we all know is unreliable at best.