Quote from: me on September 14, 2016, 09:25:10 AM
Ya, if you use fuzzy math. How high hs the cost ol living went up in that same time period?
No fuzzy math involved, idiot, and Forbes says the cost of living increase during the same time period was essentially zero. Next question?
Quote from: me on September 14, 2016, 09:25:10 AM
Ya, if you use fuzzy math. How high hs the cost ol living went up in that same time period?
:me: you are truly a dumbass, what is the price of gas? My son says that money he is saving in gasoline to drive to Indianapolis is almost unbelievable. :rant: Your brain is like what you could find at a fish bait store. :swim: :fish: It's call a box of worms, Miss Froggy. :frog: :haha: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on September 14, 2016, 10:16:00 AM
:me: you are truly a dumbass, what is the price of gas? My son says that money he is saving in gasoline to drive to Indianapolis is almost unbelievable. Your brain is like what you could find at a fish bait store.
She knows nothing about anything. Grocery prices have been falling for 8 straight months as well.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 14, 2016, 10:19:14 AM
She knows nothing about anything. Grocery prices have been falling for 8 straight months as well.
Exactly, grocery prices are lower than what they have been and so are gas prices.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 14, 2016, 10:19:14 AM
She knows nothing about anything. Grocery prices have been falling for 8 straight months as well.
About the only thing that has went up is beef, because of drought conditions in the West and the lower amount of beef coming into the market, you can blame this shortage of the Christian's god. :ghost: Also the prices of Caviar has went up because the number of rich people has went up. You have heard the term, "Shit for brains". Now this is what you can say about :me: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 14, 2016, 10:19:14 AM
She knows nothing about anything. Grocery prices have been falling for 8 straight months as well.
Have you not noticed that you get less content and more liquid for that lower price. The quality of what you get is also not as good even in the name brands. I paid over $5 for a lb of good bacon, it was on sale at the time, and the meat had been shot so full of water it wouldn't fry right and had almost no flavor. A can of Hormel corned beef hash is so runny and tasteless it is no longer worth the money, plus it's mostly tiny little potatoes and very little meat. No I don't call things like that cheaper.
Quote from: me on September 14, 2016, 05:03:52 PM
Have you not noticed that you get less content and more liquid for that lower price. The quality of what you get is also not as good even in the name brands. I paid over $5 for a lb of good bacon, it was on sale at the time, and the meat had been shot so full of water it wouldn't fry right and had almost no flavor. A can of Hormel corned beef hash is so runny and tasteless it is no longer worth the money, plus it's mostly tiny little potatoes and very little meat. No I don't call things like that cheaper.
Meat is always going to be high. Other food isn't. I can put $10.00 in my car and it fills it up. It use to be $25.00. I don't have to fill up every week like I use to have to do.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 14, 2016, 06:21:00 PM
Meat is always going to be high. Other food isn't. I can put $10.00 in my car and it fills it up. It use to be $25.00. I don't have to fill up every week like I use to have to do.
You must be using a real small cart if that's the case.
Quote from: me on September 14, 2016, 08:12:43 PM
You must be using a real small cart if that's the case.
Nope, have to buy for husband, myself and two kids and we compared what we were paying a year or so ago and we are spending less than we were.
Quote from: me on September 14, 2016, 05:03:52 PM
Have you not noticed that you get less content and more liquid for that lower price. The quality of what you get is also not as good even in the name brands. I paid over $5 for a lb of good bacon, it was on sale at the time, and the meat had been shot so full of water it wouldn't fry right and had almost no flavor. A can of Hormel corned beef hash is so runny and tasteless it is no longer worth the money, plus it's mostly tiny little potatoes and very little meat. No I don't call things like that cheaper.
What brand of bacon are you buying? I've never heard of bacon being shot full of water.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 14, 2016, 09:20:45 PM
What brand of bacon are you buying? I've never heard of bacon being shot full of water.
They shot the meat before it's sliced. It's not pure water it's a solution. Haven't you ever noticed when there is an excellent sale on meat that is shrinks more than normal and has more liquid in it? Some places are worse about it than others but they all do it.
Quote from: me on September 14, 2016, 09:29:30 PM
They shot the meat before it's sliced. It's not pure water it's a solution. Haven't you ever noticed when there is an excellent sale on meat that is shrinks more than normal and has more liquid in it? Some places are worse about it than others but they all do it.
You didn't answer me. What BRAND of bacon? I've never heard of bacon being shot with a solution of water and whatever else. I do know that it is cured with water, salt, sugar.......
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 14, 2016, 09:59:34 PM
You didn't answer me. What BRAND of bacon? I've never heard of bacon being shot with a solution of water and whatever else. I do know that it is cured with water, salt, sugar.......
Plumrose which is usually a premimum bacon. It was bad enough I contacted them about it and they admitted they were trying things to keep the costs down for consumers and the lady I talked to said she would let their people who made those decisions know so they could check into what went on with that particular run, they had the product number from the package and date since I thought to include that in my message. When the contacted me back they gave me a phone number to call and I talked to them on the phone about it.
Quote from: me on September 14, 2016, 10:09:38 PM
Plumrose which is usually a premimum bacon. It was bad enough I contacted them about it and they admitted they were trying things to keep the costs down for consumers and the lady I talked to said she would let their people who made those decisions know so they could check into what went on with that particular run, they had the product number from the package and date since I thought to include that in my message. When the contacted me back they gave me a phone number to call and I talked to them on the phone about it.
Hmmm, looked them up on the web and found the ingredient list: Bacon, Cured with Water, Salt, Sodium Phosphate, Sugar Brown, Sodium Erythorbate, Sodium Nitrate Nitrite. Notice it says CURED WITH not an added solution, which they would have to put on the label.
I think you need to go to bed. You mixed up PL with Libby in another thread and now this.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 14, 2016, 10:39:19 PM
Hmmm, looked them up on the web and found the ingredient list: Bacon, Cured with Water, Salt, Sodium Phosphate, Sugar Brown, Sodium Erythorbate, Sodium Nitrate Nitrite. Notice it says CURED WITH not an added solution, which they would have to put on the label.
I think you need to go to bed. You mixed up PL with Libby in another thread and now this.
They have been doing it for years. Have you ever gotten hamburger when the store has had a great sale on it and it barely sticks together and tries to fall apart when you cook it and shrinks real bad, or doesn't seem to make as many patties as usual? Did you not read what I posted? The lady admitted to me they were trying different ways to not raise the cost on comsumers and she would let the people know so they could check what was done with that particular run which they could do since I gave them the info from the package they needed. You either don't cook or can afford the premimum expensive meats. You can inturpert this however you wish but they do it to increase the weight and it's been done for years and, like I said earlier, some stores are worse about it than others.
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Got Enhanced Meat? USDA Rule May Make It Easier To Tell
July 22, 20112:44 PM ET
April Fulton
USDA meat labeling rule may make it easier to tell if your meat's been treated with a saline solution.
iStockphoto.com
Ever had that roasted chicken or your favorite pork shoulder recipe turn out much saltier than you expected? You're not alone.
After years of getting consumer complaints about it, yesterday the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced it will soon release a rule that would make it clear — right on the label — that some meat products have been enhanced with sodium solutions.
It would require the product's name to contain an accurate description, amount and ingredients list for the additive. So for example, a new name for an enhanced chicken breast would be "chicken breast – 40% added solution of water and teriyaki sauce," USDA says.
It turns out that a lot of our meat is enhanced. About 30 percent of poultry, 15 percent of beef, and 90 percent of pork are injected with some kind of liquid solution before sale, USDA says, and it's usually something high in sodium.
The solution pumps up the meat's volume and can "replace the flavor and moisture loss that results from raising leaner animals or from potential overcooking," says the American Meat Institute.
Here's why the USDA is doing it, according to the proposal:
"...[T]he Agency has tentatively concluded that without specific, clear, and conspicuous information about the percentage of added solution incorporated into the product, the labeling of these raw meat or poultry products ... is likely to be misleading to consumers."
In English, that means consumers have a hard time telling whether meat's been treated. To be fair, the current rules already require disclosure, but consumers don't notice it, according to USDA studies.
Poultry and meat injected with a salt-water solution can have more than five times as much sodium as what's naturally in those foods, says the Center for Science in the Public Interest, who petitioned the USDA in 2007 to improve the regulations.
And that can be a problem for people who need to lower their salt intake.
"Better labeling would help consumers concerned about high blood pressure, stroke, or heart disease avoid products that contribute to those diseases," says CSPI Executive Director Michael Jacobson.
But don't expect to see new labels on the meat on your supermarket shelves anytime soon. A USDA spokeswoman tells the Wall Street Journal that the industry needs time to comment and comply. The earliest the rule could kick in would be January 2014, she says.
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2011/07/22/138606851/got-enhanced-meat-usda-rule-may-make-it-easier-to-tell
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 14, 2016, 09:20:45 PM
What brand of bacon are you buying? I've never heard of bacon being shot full of water.
She is bat shit crazy and pulling her facts out of her ass. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on September 14, 2016, 10:09:38 PM
Plumrose which is usually a premimum bacon. It was bad enough I contacted them about it and they admitted they were trying things to keep the costs down for consumers and the lady I talked to said she would let their people who made those decisions know so they could check into what went on with that particular run, they had the product number from the package and date since I thought to include that in my message. When the contacted me back they gave me a phone number to call and I talked to them on the phone about it.
I don't believe a single word of this.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 15, 2016, 07:42:43 AM
I don't believe a single word of this.
The article she posted is 5 years old, not recent so I don't put much stock into articles more than 3 years old. Things change along with the way companies do things.
Quote from: me on September 14, 2016, 11:54:22 PM
They have been doing it for years. Have you ever gotten hamburger when the store has had a great sale on it and it barely sticks together and tries to fall apart when you cook it and shrinks real bad, or doesn't seem to make as many patties as usual? Did you not read what I posted? The lady admitted to me they were trying different ways to not raise the cost on comsumers and she would let the people know so they could check what was done with that particular run which they could do since I gave them the info from the package they needed. You either don't cook or can afford the premimum expensive meats. You can inturpert this however you wish but they do it to increase the weight and it's been done for years and, like I said earlier, some stores are worse about it than others.
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2011/07/22/138606851/got-enhanced-meat-usda-rule-may-make-it-easier-to-tell
I have never gotten hamburger on sale that wouldn't hold together or shrinks real(ly) bad. What kind of place do you shop at? I'd be changing stores and brands if I were you. Also, did you read your article? "After years of getting consumer complaints about it, yesterday the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced it will soon release a rule that would make it clear —
right on the label — that some meat products have been enhanced with sodium solutions." and "
The earliest the rule could kick in would be January 2014, she says." So, if what you say is true about the bacon having added water, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE INGREDIENTS AND THE LABEL. Your story is so full of shit.
And, yes, I do cook. A lot and not with premium (notice the spelling?) expensive meats. I happen to read the labels of what I buy. I recommend you do the same.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 15, 2016, 07:41:01 AM
She is bat shit crazy and pulling her facts out of her ass. :rolleyes:
:yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 15, 2016, 07:42:43 AM
I don't believe a single word of this.
Gee, why not? :rolleyes:
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 15, 2016, 08:14:34 PM
I have never gotten hamburger on sale that wouldn't hold together or shrinks real(ly) bad. What kind of place do you shop at? I'd be changing stores and brands if I were you. Also, did you read your article? "After years of getting consumer complaints about it, yesterday the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced it will soon release a rule that would make it clear — right on the label — that some meat products have been enhanced with sodium solutions." and "The earliest the rule could kick in would be January 2014, she says." So, if what you say is true about the bacon having added water, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE INGREDIENTS AND THE LABEL. Your story is so full of shit.
And, yes, I do cook. A lot and not with premium (notice the spelling?) expensive meats. I happen to read the labels of what I buy. I recommend you do the same.
Bingo!
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 15, 2016, 08:14:34 PM
I have never gotten hamburger on sale that wouldn't hold together or shrinks real(ly) bad. What kind of place do you shop at? I'd be changing stores and brands if I were you. Also, did you read your article? "After years of getting consumer complaints about it, yesterday the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced it will soon release a rule that would make it clear — right on the label — that some meat products have been enhanced with sodium solutions." and "The earliest the rule could kick in would be January 2014, she says." So, if what you say is true about the bacon having added water, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE INGREDIENTS AND THE LABEL. Your story is so full of shit.
And, yes, I do cook. A lot and not with premium (notice the spelling?) expensive meats. I happen to read the labels of what I buy. I recommend you do the same.
If you read what I posted I stated they have always done that but they are adding more now and sometimes the when the meat is cut or ground at the store they add more before cutting or grinding for the extra weight it adds. Canned goods also list liquid but have added more liquid and less procuct to the same size can so you actually get less for your money. Start paying attention.
Quote from: me on September 16, 2016, 09:25:43 AM
If you read what I posted I stated they have always done that but they are adding more now and sometimes the when the meat is cut or ground at the store they add more before cutting or grinding for the extra weight it adds. Canned goods also list liquid but have added more liquid and less procuct to the same size can so you actually get less for your money. Start paying attention.
Bullshit!
Quote from: me on September 16, 2016, 09:25:43 AM
If you read what I posted I stated they have always done that but they are adding more now and sometimes the when the meat is cut or ground at the store they add more before cutting or grinding for the extra weight it adds. Canned goods also list liquid but have added more liquid and less procuct to the same size can so you actually get less for your money. Start paying attention.
?? I read what you have posted and have no idea what you are talking about. They have always done what? Added a water solution? If they did IT WOULD BE ON THE LABEL. Even before 2014 it was ON THE LABEL.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 16, 2016, 05:16:32 PM
?? I read what you have posted and have no idea what you are talking about. They have always done what? Added a water solution? If they did IT WOULD BE ON THE LABEL. Even before 2014 it was ON THE LABEL.
Are you telling me you have in the past gotten canned veggies with no liquid? If you recall they didn't used to require ingredients to be listed. Yes, meat had always had water added to it my ex worked at a meat processing plant in the 60's and they were doing it then although not to the extent they do today.
Quote from: me on September 16, 2016, 05:32:55 PM
Are you telling me you have in the past gotten canned veggies with no liquid? If you recall they didn't used to require ingredients to be listed. Yes, meat had always had water added to it my ex worked at a meat processing plant in the 60's and they were doing it then although not to the extent they do today.
People in this country used to eat horses. In some parts of the world they still do today. . .
Quote from: me on September 16, 2016, 05:32:55 PM
Are you telling me you have in the past gotten canned veggies with no liquid? If you recall they didn't used to require ingredients to be listed. Yes, meat had always had water added to it my ex worked at a meat processing plant in the 60's and they were doing it then although not to the extent they do today.
For someone who cooks, you don't know a lot. Canned veggies need to have liquid in them or they won't seal correctly; the liquid helps form a vacuum necessary for the sealing of the can. "Meat
always had water added to it"? You can't seem to stop this shit, can you?
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 17, 2016, 12:21:53 AM
For someone who cooks, you don't know a lot. Canned veggies need to have liquid in them or they won't seal correctly; the liquid helps form a vacuum necessary for the sealing of the can. "Meat always had water added to it"? You can't seem to stop this shit, can you?
NOW READ REAL SLOW SO YOU UNDERSTAND. THEY ARE PUTTING MORE LIQUID AND LESS CONTENT IN THE CANS NOW FOR THE SAME OR HIGHER PRICE, THEY ARE ALSO ADDING MORE WATER TO THE MEAT AND SOME STORES WHO CUT THEIR OWN MEAT ADD EVEN MORE. Got that?
Quote from: me on September 17, 2016, 01:45:40 AM
NOW READ REAL SLOW SO YOU UNDERSTAND. THEY ARE PUTTING MORE LIQUID AND LESS CONTENT IN THE CANS NOW FOR THE SAME OR HIGHER PRICE, THEY ARE ALSO ADDING MORE WATER TO THE MEAT AND SOME STORES WHO CUT THEIR OWN MEAT ADD EVEN MORE. Got that?
You need to read real slow. We buy meat and never once have we bought any that had water added to it. I asked the guy at a meat shop that we buy from occasionally and he said he had never heard of that being done.
Quote from: me on September 17, 2016, 01:45:40 AM
NOW READ REAL SLOW SO YOU UNDERSTAND. THEY ARE PUTTING MORE LIQUID AND LESS CONTENT IN THE CANS NOW FOR THE SAME OR HIGHER PRICE, THEY ARE ALSO ADDING MORE WATER TO THE MEAT AND SOME STORES WHO CUT THEIR OWN MEAT ADD EVEN MORE. Got that?
I never disputed the putting of more liquid in the cans. You stated that
Quote from: me on September 16, 2016, 05:32:55 PM
Are you telling me you have in the past gotten canned veggies with no liquid?
so I explained to you that liquid is NEEDED in canned goods. Maybe you should be reading a bit more slowly so you can understand what was written.
If they are adding more water to meat, it must be on the label and you will know it (that is if you are smart enough to read labels). Like I said before, you may need to change stores/brands and find ones that don't add all that liquid. My grocery store only does this certain meats (I've seen it on the labels for ham, but never hamburger like you claimed, never even heard of water being added to hamburger) and I READ THE LABELS to find out. It really is that simple.
From the Food Safety and Inspection Service part of the USDA site: Ground Beef and Food Safety Beef fat may be added to "hamburger," but not "ground beef." A maximum of 30% fat is allowed in either hamburger or ground beef. Both hamburger and ground beef can have seasonings, but no water, phosphates, extenders, or binders added. The labeling of meat food products must comply with the Federal Meat Inspection Act (FMIA) and the meat inspection regulations and labeling policies.
Guess this really makes your story of added water to hamburger full of shit. Did you read the above slowly? Make sure you do! And the next part, too.
Enhanced Meat and Poultry Products
Many grocery stores are now offering meat and poultry products that have flavoring solutions added to them. For example, pork chops may be packaged with a solution of water, salt, and sodium phosphate (a solution that can add flavor and moisture to leaner meats). These new products also provide convenience by saving steps in preparation, such as "Teriyaki Beef in Teriyaki Sauce." To prevent confusion, the presence of flavor solutions must be stated on the front of the package.
Enhanced or value-added meat and poultry products are raw products that contain flavor solutions added through marinating, needle injecting, soaking, etc. The presence and amount of the solution will be featured as part of the product name, for example, "Chicken Thighs Flavored with up to 10% of a Solution" or "Beef Steak Marinated with 6% of a Flavor Solution." The ingredients of the flavor solution must be prominently identified on the label. Typically, this information will be on the principal display panel or the information panel.
The labeling term "marinated" can only be used with specific amounts of solution. "Marinated" meats can contain no more than 10% solution; boneless poultry, no more than 8% solution; and bone-in poultry, no more than 3% solution.
In the case of enhanced products, the solutions that are added to the meat or poultry, or into which the meat or poultry are placed for flavoring, seasoning, and tenderizing, are intended to be part of the product. The solutions are required by regulations and policies to be identified as part of the product names of the enhanced products, and whether the solution is incorporated into the product or is free- flowing, it is considered part of the product.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 17, 2016, 01:15:35 PM
I never disputed the putting of more liquid in the cans. You stated that so I explained to you that liquid is NEEDED in canned goods. Maybe you should be reading a bit more slowly so you can understand what was written.
If they are adding more water to meat, it must be on the label and you will know it (that is if you are smart enough to read labels). Like I said before, you may need to change stores/brands and find ones that don't add all that liquid. My grocery store only does this certain meats (I've seen it on the labels for ham, but never hamburger like you claimed, never even heard of water being added to hamburger) and I READ THE LABELS to find out. It really is that simple.
After the meat arrives at the store for cutting, those that cut and grind their own meat, they can add more solution to the meat before cutting or grinding and don't have to list it if they sell it in a case unpackaged so you never see the lable. The ones that do package it after grinding or cutting list it but not the amount because they use their own lables.
Quote from: me on September 17, 2016, 01:51:57 PM
After the meat arrives at the store for cutting, those that cut and grind their own meat, they can add more solution to the meat before cutting or grinding and don't have to list it if they sell it in a case unpackaged so you never see the lable. The ones that do package it after grinding or cutting list it but not the amount because they use their own lables.
Bullshit again
Quote from: me on September 17, 2016, 01:51:57 PM
After the meat arrives at the store for cutting, those that cut and grind their own meat, they can add more solution to the meat before cutting or grinding and don't have to list it if they sell it in a case unpackaged so you never see the lable. The ones that do package it after grinding or cutting list it but not the amount because they use their own lables.
Do you read? Really? Do you read what is put in front of you? I already addressed the ground beef issue (grinding). IT IS ILLEGAL TO ADD WATER TO GROUND BEEF. If the meat is unpackaged like in a butcher shop case in the grocery store, then you ASK ABOUT IT. Seriously, it is that simple. Read and use your voice. You are your own advocate.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 17, 2016, 02:26:47 PM
Do you read? Really? Do you read what is put in front of you? I already addressed the ground beef issue (grinding). IT IS ILLEGAL TO ADD WATER TO GROUND BEEF. If the meat is unpackaged like in a butcher shop case in the grocery store, then you ASK ABOUT IT. Seriously, it is that simple. Read and use your voice. You are your own advocate.
Ya know, no matter what I say you're gonna argue about it. You, PL, and Troll are all alike.
Quote from: me on September 17, 2016, 03:16:14 PM
Ya know, no matter what I say you're gonna argue about it. You, PL, and Troll are all alike.
I'm not arguing only pointing out facts. If you are going to speak out of your ass, you're going to get called on it.
Quote from: me on September 17, 2016, 03:16:14 PM
Ya know, no matter what I say you're gonna argue about it. You, PL, and Troll are all alike.
I have to disagree. Abby isn't the Queen of Anecdotes. :sneaky:
Me, I was at the grocery store today and checked out the meat in the butcher case. They had the ingredients listed on a card beside the price, if needed. Guess my grocery store is advanced compared to where you go to.
Most, if not all, of that stuff is regulated. Whatever is there where you are should be the same thing that's there wherever she is.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 17, 2016, 07:55:16 PM
Me, I was at the grocery store today and checked out the meat in the butcher case. They had the ingredients listed on a card beside the price, if needed. Guess my grocery store is advanced compared to where you go to.
Did it have water listed in the meats? :)
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 17, 2016, 07:58:32 PM
Did it have water listed in the meats? :)
Lol, only in the hamburger! :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 17, 2016, 08:12:17 PM
Lol, only in the hamburger! :wink: :biggrin:
Couldn't resist on that one.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 17, 2016, 08:14:41 PM
Couldn't resist on that one.
:me: If it is true that this business is putting water into their meat, buy some and call the state board of health and you will really put the hurt on this business. :yes: :yes: Now let's see you do this and prove what you say for a change. :doh:
Quote from: The Troll on September 18, 2016, 03:00:49 PM
:me: If it is true that this business is putting water into their meat, buy some and call the state board of health and you will really put the hurt on this business. :yes: :yes: Now let's see you do this and prove what you say for a change. :doh:
I didn't see your me at first. I thought you meant I should call and make the claim. Lol
Quote from: The Troll on September 18, 2016, 03:00:49 PM
:me: If it is true that this business is putting water into their meat, buy some and call the state board of health and you will really put the hurt on this business. :yes: :yes: Now let's see you do this and prove what you say for a change. :doh:
Good idea, Troll. But I doubt Me will do that.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 18, 2016, 07:00:13 PM
Good idea, Troll. But I doubt Me will do that.
Of course not because she's just making shit up.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 19, 2016, 08:20:56 AM
Of course not because she's just making shit up.
No, below is making shit up. Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 14, 2016, 06:21:00 PM
Meat is always going to be high. Other food isn't. I can put $10.00 in my car and it fills it up. It use to be $25.00. I don't have to fill up every week like I use to have to do.
Quote from: me on September 19, 2016, 11:09:06 AM
No, below is making shit up.
Nope, but you are. You won't report like Troll said to Health Dept. And hate to tell you, but you are wrong as usual. It is like Abby said and Locutus those things are highly regulated. If you think I am making up things about filling my car up than go get a life. I get about 40 miles to the gallon with this car so I don't have to fill up every week. When everything is only 5-10 minutes away, I don't have to drive miles and miles. Obviously, you do.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 19, 2016, 11:12:29 AM
Nope, but you are. You won't report like Troll said to Health Dept. And hate to tell you, but you are wrong as usual. It is like Abby said and Locutus those things are highly regulated. If you think I am making up things about filling my car up than go get a life. I get about 40 miles to the gallon with this car so I don't have to fill up every week. Obviously, you do.
Must be a really small cart and a really small car.
Quote from: me on September 19, 2016, 11:17:39 AM
Must be a really small cart and a really small car.
Do you have a problem reading? Did you not see where I posted that I am buying for my husband, two kids and myself so it wouldn't be a small cart. Nor is our car small. It is a midsize car. I know you have problems understanding so maybe you should try reading slower. Obviously, you think everyone uses a small cart and a small car.
Quote from: The Troll on September 18, 2016, 03:00:49 PM
:me: If it is true that this business is putting water into their meat, buy some and call the state board of health and you will really put the hurt on this business. :yes: :yes: Now let's see you do this and prove what you say for a change. :doh:
Lets see you do this, me.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 19, 2016, 11:19:27 AM
Do you have a problem reading? Did you not see where I posted that I am buying for my husband, two kids and myself so it wouldn't be a small cart. Nor is our car small. It is a midsize car. I know you have problems understanding so maybe you should try reading slower. Obviously, you think everyone uses a small cart and a small car.
$10 for a cart load of grocerys is a little hard to believe, no, it's a lot hard to believe unless you're buying a huge bag of cheap dog food and that's your idea of a full cart.
Quote from: me on September 19, 2016, 11:50:17 AM
$10 for a cart load of grocerys is a little hard to believe, no, it's a lot hard to believe unless you're buying a huge bag of cheap dog food and that's your idea of a full cart.
I didn't say $10 for a load of groceries. I said $10.00 for a full tank of gas. Learn to read. I also said we are spending less at the grocery than a year ago. You really have a hard time comprehending things, don't you? By the way, we don't buy cheap dog food for our dogs but we do buy a big bag that last about all month.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 19, 2016, 11:56:16 AM
I didn't say $10 for a load of groceries. I said $10.00 for a full tank of gas. Learn to read. I also said we are spending less at the grocery than a year ago. You really have a hard time comprehending things, don't you? By the way, we don't buy cheap dog food for our dogs but we do buy a big bag that last about all month.
How did your car get into a conversation about grocery's anyway? If you have a tiny car you have a tiny gas tank so it wouldn't cost much to fill it...duh. Yes I did misread car for cart since we were talking about grocerys.
Quote from: me on September 20, 2016, 01:55:33 AM
How did your car get into a conversation about grocery's anyway? If you have a tiny car you have a tiny gas tank so it wouldn't cost much to fill it...duh. Yes I did misread car for cart since we were talking about grocerys.
Geez, idiot, we were talking about the cost of things. Go back to where I first posted that. Again, idiot, my car is not a tiny car, it is a midsize car. I posted that. You keep showing how stupid you are. Afterall, you don't realize that food is regulated and what is put in food is listed on packages and cans.
If I was an extreme couponer, I probably could come out with a cart full of stuff for under $20.00, it wouldn't included meat but I have seen people come out with other items including canned goods and not pay hundreds of dollars.
Ok, I'm outta here if you're gonna resort to name calling like a school kid. Go engage Troll he's down at your level. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on September 20, 2016, 03:48:13 AM
Ok, I'm outta here if you're gonna resort to name calling like a school kid. Go engage Troll he's down at your level. :rolleyes:
Troll knows you won't call the Health Dept. and lodge a complaint. He told you what to do so why not do it
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 20, 2016, 05:40:30 AM
Troll knows you won't call the Health Dept. and lodge a complaint. He told you what to do so why not do it
Has nothing to do with health has to do with weight and it's not illegal, unethical maybe but not illegal.
Quote from: me on September 20, 2016, 03:42:51 PM
Has nothing to do with health has to do with weight and it's not illegal, unethical maybe but not illegal.
Sure, FDA and USDA regulate those things also but you won't complain.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 20, 2016, 03:47:20 PM
Sure, FDA and USDA regulate those things also but you won't complain.
Nope, it wouldn't do any good so I avoid the stores that I know do that. Problem solved.
Quote from: me on September 20, 2016, 03:48:42 PM
Nope, it wouldn't do any good so I avoid the stores that I know do that. Problem solved.
Then why make an issue out of it if you avoid those stores? And you don't know it won't do any good if you don't complain about what is going on in the stores. If everyone did nothing, nothing would never get done.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 20, 2016, 03:50:44 PM
Then why make an issue out of it if you avoid those stores? And you don't know it won't do any good if you don't complain about what is going on in the stores. If everyone did nothing, nothing would never get done.
Just mentioned that it's done is all and you made the issue out of it all by yourself. It takes care of itsself when people catch on and quit buying meat when they have those fantastic sales. A lot of people don't care if they're on a tight budget because it allows them to get something they normally can't afford so it's not all a bad thing just irritating. As far as the canned goods go the quality may not be as good in some instances but I will buy an off brand of vegetable because they don't seen to do the increased liquid thing as bad.
Quote from: me on September 20, 2016, 04:22:34 PM
Just mentioned that it's done is all and you made the issue out of it all by yourself. It takes care of itsself when people catch on and quit buying meat when they have those fantastic sales. A lot of people don't care if they're on a tight budget because it allows them to get something they normally can't afford so it's not all a bad thing just irritating. As far as the canned goods go the quality may not be as good in some instances but I will buy an off brand of vegetable because they don't seen to do the increased liquid thing as bad.
You are the one who harped about it and got called out on it.
Quote from: me on September 20, 2016, 03:48:42 PM
Nope, it wouldn't do any good so I avoid the stores that I know do that. Problem solved.
That goes to show how stupid you are. :doh: Won't do the right thing to protect the public. :rant: I sure would and I wouldn't stop until they stopped. :stop: :yes:
There was a big, big food chain stores in the South that was rewrapping out of date meat. :yes: They were turned in by one of their own employees. The government fined and fined them for doing it, to the point of almost putting them out of business. :yes: What a coward MOO BABY and full of bullshit. :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on September 20, 2016, 05:12:30 PM
That goes to show how stupid you are. :doh: Won't do the right thing to protect the public. :rant: I sure would and I wouldn't stop until they stopped. :stop: :yes:
There was a big, big food chain stores in the South that was rewrapping out of date meat. :yes: They were turned in by one of their own employees. The government fined and fined them for doing it, to the point of almost putting them out of business. :yes: What a coward MOO BABY and full of bullshit. :haha:
Exactly, if everyone stood around and didn't do the right thing then where would people be. I like the statement that if you don't stand for something, a person will fall for anything.
Quote from: The Troll on September 20, 2016, 05:12:30 PM
That goes to show how stupid you are. :doh: Won't do the right thing to protect the public. :rant: I sure would and I wouldn't stop until they stopped. :stop: :yes:
There was a big, big food chain stores in the South that was rewrapping out of date meat. :yes: They were turned in by one of their own employees. The government fined and fined them for doing it, to the point of almost putting them out of business. :yes: What a coward MOO BABY and full of bullshit. :haha:
It's not a health issue, no one would get sick, and it's up to the people if they want to purchase meat that's got a lot of water in it. Now washing and rewrapping out of date meat is different and someone could get sick from that.
Quote from: me on September 20, 2016, 03:42:51 PM
Has nothing to do with health has to do with weight and it's not illegal, unethical maybe but not illegal.
But it IS ILLEGAL. According to your story, it was not stated on the package, hence, it is illegal. Make the call if what you say is true.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 17, 2016, 01:38:30 PM
Enhanced Meat and Poultry Products
Many grocery stores are now offering meat and poultry products that have flavoring solutions added to them. For example, pork chops may be packaged with a solution of water, salt, and sodium phosphate (a solution that can add flavor and moisture to leaner meats). These new products also provide convenience by saving steps in preparation, such as "Teriyaki Beef in Teriyaki Sauce." To prevent confusion, the presence of flavor solutions must be stated on the front of the package.
Enhanced or value-added meat and poultry products are raw products that contain flavor solutions added through marinating, needle injecting, soaking, etc. The presence and amount of the solution will be featured as part of the product name, for example, "Chicken Thighs Flavored with up to 10% of a Solution" or "Beef Steak Marinated with 6% of a Flavor Solution." The ingredients of the flavor solution must be prominently identified on the label. Typically, this information will be on the principal display panel or the information panel.
The labeling term "marinated" can only be used with specific amounts of solution. "Marinated" meats can contain no more than 10% solution; boneless poultry, no more than 8% solution; and bone-in poultry, no more than 3% solution.
In the case of enhanced products, the solutions that are added to the meat or poultry, or into which the meat or poultry are placed for flavoring, seasoning, and tenderizing, are intended to be part of the product. The solutions are required by regulations and policies to be identified as part of the product names of the enhanced products, and whether the solution is incorporated into the product or is free- flowing, it is considered part of the product.
Hey Me! Here's the burger I made tonight with water-logged hamburger. :wink: :rotfl: Store brand meat and I got 4 quarter pound patties out of the pound of meat I purchased. Normal amount of shrinkage and tasted great!
(https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14361393_10211082973176992_1796691994186258509_o.jpg)
Man that looks better than the Big Boy Burger we talked about on the other thread. :yes:
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 20, 2016, 09:07:55 PM
Hey Me! Here's the burger I made tonight with water-logged hamburger. :wink: :rotfl: Store brand meat and I got 4 quarter pound patties out of the pound of meat I purchased. Normal amount of shrinkage and tasted great!
(https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14361393_10211082973176992_1796691994186258509_o.jpg)
Wow, that looks like a great burger!!! Red Robin has nothing on you
Quote from: Locutus on September 20, 2016, 09:09:15 PM
Man that looks better than the Big Boy Burger we talked about on the other thread. :yes:
I remember them. Mine tasted better, too! My burger sauce is very similar to what was on the Big Boy Burger. I also made a chipotle mayo that I put on it in addition to the burger sauce. And sautéed onions! Yum! :yes:
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 20, 2016, 09:15:58 PM
I remember them. Mine tasted better, too! My burger sauce is very similar to what was on the Big Boy Burger. I also made a chipotle mayo that I put on it in addition to the burger sauce. And sautéed onions! Yum! :yes:
Sounds yummy!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 20, 2016, 09:14:53 PM
Wow, that looks like a great burger!!! Red Robin has nothing on you
Thanks. Cheddar cheese, sautéed onions, lettuce, tomato, burger sauce and my own chipotle mayo. I enjoying making burgers. I season the burgers with a secret recipe that I made up.
Secret?!?!????
Quote from: Locutus on September 20, 2016, 09:27:06 PM
Secret?!?!????
Yep! Both the burger sauce and what I put in the hamburger! Might be willing to share for a couple of beers, but you need to come to PA for it. :laugh: :food4:
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 20, 2016, 09:02:38 PM
But it IS ILLEGAL. According to your story, it was not stated on the package, hence, it is illegal. Make the call if what you say is true.
No package if you get it out of the case and, yes, they do state it on the package but not the amount.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 20, 2016, 09:07:55 PM
Hey Me! Here's the burger I made tonight with water-logged hamburger. :wink: :rotfl: Store brand meat and I got 4 quarter pound patties out of the pound of meat I purchased. Normal amount of shrinkage and tasted great!
(https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14361393_10211082973176992_1796691994186258509_o.jpg)
I get 4 patties out of a lb also but I don't buy where they add extra water to the meat before grinding. I do 1/3 lb burgers though so I get 3 large ones which also don't shrink unless I get the cheap kind that has fat in it. Been doin' Bison lately though and they have no fat and very little water. :wink:
Everyone should try a bison burger if you haven't already. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on September 20, 2016, 11:05:45 PM
Everyone should try a bison burger if you haven't already. :yes:
Most definitely. It's healthier for you and tastes a lot better. The steaks are real tender if you haven't tried them you should, we like the NY strip real well.
Quote from: me on September 20, 2016, 10:50:50 PM
No package if you get it out of the case and, yes, they do state it on the package but not the amount.
I get 4 patties out of a lb also but I don't buy where they add extra water to the meat before grinding.
Holy Shit, Me! What don't you get? It's illegal to add water either before or after grinding to hamburger or ground beef! ILLEGAL!! :wall:
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 17, 2016, 01:38:30 PM
From the Food Safety and Inspection Service part of the USDA site: Ground Beef and Food Safety Beef fat may be added to "hamburger," but not "ground beef." A maximum of 30% fat is allowed in either hamburger or ground beef. Both hamburger and ground beef can have seasonings, but no water, phosphates, extenders, or binders added. The labeling of meat food products must comply with the Federal Meat Inspection Act (FMIA) and the meat inspection regulations and labeling policies.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 20, 2016, 11:38:12 PM
Holy Shit, Me! What don't you get? It's illegal to add water either before or after grinding to hamburger or ground beef! ILLEGAL!! :wall:
:yes:
Quote from: me on September 20, 2016, 03:48:42 PM
Nope, it wouldn't do any good so I avoid the stores that I know do that. Problem solved.
That should be pretty easy to do since
there are no stores that do that. Meat is already 75% water; why would they need to add more?
Quote from: Exterminator on September 21, 2016, 09:00:56 AM
That should be pretty easy to do since there are no stores that do that. Meat is already 75% water; why would they need to add more?
Here is what ME is talking about....
There's a dirty little secret (http://www.fooducate.com/app#!page=post&id=57A33C4C-B25E-87B8-4A70-972F2275FB99) that not many grocery shoppers are aware of. Many times, cuts of poultry, pork and meat are "enhanced" with a liquid solution that is essentially water and salt. And we're paying for this added weight without even knowing it.
This practice has been going on since the 1970's. Poultry processors, for example, use special equipment to inject chicken with a saltwater broth and binders that enhance its flavor. Hundreds of tiny needles inject a single chicken passing through a conveyer belt. Apparently, adding salt at home is no match for this technology.
Manufacturers who add sodium and water claim that this is what consumers want. But the difference in sodium per serving can be staggering - 500mg of sodium per serving vs. just 75mg unsalted!
Not to mention the fact that we're paying extra money for saltwater.
The worst part is that consumers don't always know if the chicken breast they are about to purchase is "enhanced" or not. This is because there are no strict labeling requirements in this matter.
Clearer labeling would help consumers better understand what they are buying. But this is not something the injecting processors would like to do, for obvious reasons. The Truthful Labeling Coalition, a lobbying group of poultry producers that don't enhance their products, has been pushing the USDA to demand strict labeling on this matter.
The good news is that the USDA seems to be listening. Yesterday, FSIS (the Food Safety and Inspection Service of the USDA) announced Proposed Rules etter Label Raw Meat and Poultry Containing Added Solutions.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 21, 2016, 09:26:32 AM
Here is what ME is talking about....
That's an out-dated article. As has been previously mentioned in this thread had you bothered to read it before jumping in with your ill-informed opinion, there has been a federal law in place for several years now that absolutely requires that information on the label.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 21, 2016, 09:00:56 AM
That should be pretty easy to do since there are no stores that do that. Meat is already 75% water; why would they need to add more?
Now that is a figure you picked out of your ass. If meat were 75% water you'd have nothing left after cooking. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on September 21, 2016, 10:07:52 AM
Now that is a figure you picked out of your ass. If meat were 75% water you'd have nothing left after cooking. :rolleyes:
You can't be serious. Are you honestly unaware that most mammals (including humans) are 90% water? Meat is muscle tissue and muscle tissue is approximately 75% water. When you remove most of the water from meat, you get jerky. :rolleyes: indeed.
Quote from: me on September 21, 2016, 10:07:52 AM
Now that is a figure you picked out of your ass. If meat were 75% water you'd have nothing left after cooking. :rolleyes:
A simple google search, and, ta da! Look what I found on the FSIS/USDA website. (It really is simple to look up things, Me. If you can't do it, ask a librarian! ;)) "People eat meat for the muscle. The muscle is approximately 75% water (although different cuts may have more or less water) and 20% protein, with the remaining 5% representing a combination of fat, carbohydrate, and minerals." "An eye of round roast is 73% water before cooking. The same roast after roasting contains 65% water. A whole broiler-fryer contains 66% water before cooking and 60% afterwards."
Quote from: Exterminator on September 21, 2016, 11:16:16 AM
You can't be serious. Are you honestly unaware that most mammals (including humans) are 90% water? Meat is muscle tissue and muscle tissue is approximately 75% water. When you remove most of the water from meat, you get jerky. :rolleyes: indeed.
Sorry, Ex, but we aren't 90% water. From the USGS site: "Babies have the most, being born at about 78%. By one year of age, that amount drops to about 65%. In adult men, about 60% of their bodies are water. However, fat tissue does not have as much water as lean tissue. In adult women, fat makes up more of the body than men, so they have about 55% of their bodies made of water."
You are correct with the muscle tissue being about 75% water, which I addressed in a previous post.
I was going to let this run its course with Me, but I figured she'd only argue and not look up anything and back it up with fact.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 21, 2016, 06:08:08 PM
A simple google search, and, ta da! Look what I found on the FSIS/USDA website. (It really is simple to look up things, Me. If you can't do it, ask a librarian! ;)) "People eat meat for the muscle. The muscle is approximately 75% water (although different cuts may have more or less water) and 20% protein, with the remaining 5% representing a combination of fat, carbohydrate, and minerals." "An eye of round roast is 73% water before cooking. The same roast after roasting contains 65% water. A whole broiler-fryer contains 66% water before cooking and 60% afterwards."
Librarians rock!! It is interesting to read all that.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 21, 2016, 06:24:29 PM
Librarians rock!! It is interesting to read all that.
I know all this but they do inject and that is a fact. No one was talking about what the natural content of water was in meats and that does not change the fact that more is injected. Now move on and quit trying to purposely twist what I said.
Quote from: me on September 21, 2016, 08:15:52 PM
I know all this but they do inject and that is a fact. No one was talking about what the natural content of water was in meats and that does not change the fact that more is injected. Now move on and quit trying to purposely twist what I said.
Me, do you actually read anything that is posted or do you just like speaking out of your ass? Look back a few posts. First Ex posted this:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 21, 2016, 09:00:56 AM
That should be pretty easy to do since there are no stores that do that. Meat is already 75% water; why would they need to add more?
and you posted this to his post:
Quote from: me on September 21, 2016, 10:07:52 AM
Now that is a figure you picked out of your ass. If meat were 75% water you'd have nothing left after cooking. :rolleyes:
Look! You and Ex were talking about the water content in meat! :yes: Which is why I posted how much water is in meat before and after cooking.
Quote from: me on September 21, 2016, 08:15:52 PM
I know all this but they do inject and that is a fact. No one was talking about what the natural content of water was in meats and that does not change the fact that more is injected. Now move on and quit trying to purposely twist what I said.
If you really knew all this, we wouldn't be on page 7 trying to explain it to you. :rolleyes:
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 21, 2016, 08:55:41 PM
If you really knew all this, we wouldn't be on page 7 trying to explain it to you. :rolleyes:
No, if you had listened to what I'm trying to tell you and quit arguing about it we wouldn't be on page 7 of you trying to dispute what I'm saying. If it were only natural water content they wouldn't have to list it on the label of the prepackaged meat would they?
Quote from: me on September 21, 2016, 09:06:04 PM
No, if you had listened to what I'm trying to tell you and quit arguing about it we wouldn't be on page 7 of you trying to dispute what I'm saying. If it were only natural water content they wouldn't have to list it on the label of the prepackaged meat would they?
Of course they don't have to put that on the label. You're the one who claimed you got bacon "shot full of water" that wasn't listed on the label. You also claimed that hamburger you bought had added water (which, to reiterate, is illegal). I'm pointing out your misinformation and providing you with facts.
Quote from: me on September 14, 2016, 05:03:52 PM
Have you not noticed that you get less content and more liquid for that lower price. The quality of what you get is also not as good even in the name brands. I paid over $5 for a lb of good bacon, it was on sale at the time, and the meat had been shot so full of water it wouldn't fry right and had almost no flavor. A can of Hormel corned beef hash is so runny and tasteless it is no longer worth the money, plus it's mostly tiny little potatoes and very little meat. No I don't call things like that cheaper.
Quote from: me on September 16, 2016, 09:25:43 AM
If you read what I posted I stated they have always done that but they are adding more now and sometimes the when the meat is cut or ground at the store they add more before cutting or grinding for the extra weight it adds. Canned goods also list liquid but have added more liquid and less procuct to the same size can so you actually get less for your money. Start paying attention.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 21, 2016, 09:26:54 PM
Of course they don't have to put that on the label. You're the one who claimed you got bacon "shot full of water" that wasn't listed on the label. You also claimed that hamburger you bought had added water (which, to reiterate, is illegal). I'm pointing out your misinformation and providing you with facts.
No you are calling me a liar and I did get bacon which had extra water added to the meat before slicing. Hope you get ahold of some 'cause it is tasteless and doesn't fry right. I got two coupons for free packages because of what happened and didn't bother to use them and the person I talked to on the phone said they were trying different ways to keep the cost down for consumers and she would pass what I had said about my experience to the people in that dept. The product info was needed to identify which batch it was and what had been done to it during processing so they could make adjustments. You can either believe me or not it matters not to me but it did happen. The hamburger I referred to was some I got at a good, or what I though was a good, sale a few years ago. I haven't bought hamburger at that particular store when they've had their sales again. It would not hold together and shrunk up to nothing when I fixed it and very little grease came out of it, it was mostly water. Oh, water was added to the label on the bacon, I expect that 'cause it's been done for years, just not the amount.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 21, 2016, 06:19:24 PM
Sorry, Ex, but we aren't 90% water. From the USGS site: "Babies have the most, being born at about 78%. By one year of age, that amount drops to about 65%. In adult men, about 60% of their bodies are water. However, fat tissue does not have as much water as lean tissue. In adult women, fat makes up more of the body than men, so they have about 55% of their bodies made of water."
I stand corrected! :biggrin: Fat contains more oils than muscle and oil is lighter than water which is why a pound of fat has more mass than a pound of muscle. :wink:
Quote from: me on September 22, 2016, 01:00:32 AM
You can either believe me or not...
QuoteOh, water was added to the label on the bacon, I expect that 'cause it's been done for years, just not the amount.
Bacon is cured, typically by brining. That would be the only time water (with salt) is introduced into the process.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 22, 2016, 07:58:12 AM
Bacon is cured, typically by brining. That would be the only time water (with salt) is introduced into the process.
Well duh, who doesn't know that? The cut of pork the bacon comes from is also cured by smoking. All I know is my message was passed on to quality control so they could check that run and see what was done to try to keep the cost down for consumers. If Plumrose bacon is normally dry brined and they went to wet for the extra weight that may have made the difference. The package I bought was hickory smoked.
How much water is really in your food?
by ANGELA DOWDEN, Evening Standard
When you shell out for succulent scallops and large prawns - at £1.10 each and £31 a kilo respectively - you could be paying for added water.
According to a Food Standards Agency report published last week, your favourite shellfish could contain up to 50 per cent added water.
Food labelling law states that products containing more than five per cent added water must declare it, but because of a loophole some foods don't have to.
Seafood sold loose at fish counters, or hams with added soya or starch, do not have to state their percentage of added water.
And water added to rehydrate a dried ingredient - such as powdered egg - also doesn't need to be labelled. Similarly, frozen prawns don't have to spell out their water content.
Surprisingly, there are virtually no restrictions on the maximum amount of water a food can contain.
All foods naturally have a high percentage of water, but it can also be added to cheap foods to increase their weight so they can be sold for more profit.
"Consumers are being duped by manufacturers who are adding water to bulk up the size and weight of produce, and what's worse, it isn't possible to work out from the label how much water has been added,î says Ian Tokelove of the Food Commission.
Here we present the foods that have the highest amount of added water and show you how to spot this added ingredient.
Fresh scallops
Added water: Up to 54 per cent. A Food Standards Agency survey found that nearly half of all scallops tested had 10 per cent added water - some contained 54 per cent. Water is used in the preparation of shellfish, so it's impossible to avoid, but more than 10 per cent is not acceptable according to good manufacturing practice.
Frozen scampi and prawns
Added water: Up to 44 per cent. The FSA found that 86 per cent of samples of ice-glazed, peeled scampi exceeded 15 per cent, the maximum limit for water that is needed to keep them in good condition. Frozen prawns are labelled with their weight excluding glaze, which should give you a much better idea of how much ice you're paying for. But the net weight can still include water that was absorbed into the prawns before they were frozen.
Supermarket poultry
Added water: Up to 37 per cent. The EC limit for added water in a frozen, whole chicken is seven per cent, but nearly a third of samples contained more than that in an FSA survey. Chicken breast and thigh portions contained water levels from two to 37 per cent, with frozen portions being the worst offenders. In more than 10 per cent of the breast-and-thigh samples, the added water was not listed anywhere on the packaging.
Restaurant chicken
Added water: Up to 40 per cent. Some restaurants were found to be serving meat that contained only 54 per cent actual chicken, according to an FSA survey last year. Catering packs of chicken can be injected with water, salts, flavourings and hydrolysed protein, which retains moisture.
Bacon
Added water: Up to 25 per cent. Most bacon contains added water, which is introduced during the curing process when the meat is injected with, or immersed in, brine. Currently, uncooked bacon only has to be labelled when its water content exceeds 10 per cent. So bacon said to contain "not more than 15 per cent added waterî can legally contain up to 25 per cent.Ham
Added water: Up to 30 per cent. By law, all added water should be listed on cooked ham unless other ingredients - such as gelatine, soya, starch and milk protein - have also been added. But even when added water is given on the label, the figure can be misleading as the amount is defined as the water content over and above what is in the meat when raw. As meat loses water when it's cooked - usually at least 10 per cent - manufacturers can add this amount without having to declare it.How to spot bulked-up food
• Check for added water given as part of the name of the food. But if you're buying bacon or ham, bear in mind it could contain up to 10 per cent more water than stated.
• Check the ingredients list. Ingredients are listed in weight order. Look to see how near the top water appears.• Look for net weights on frozen prawns and other ice-glazed products - although bear in mind that these may not be accurate.
• Look for "air-frozenî or "air-chilledî poultry. This means poultry hasn't been immersed in water during processing and so should contain less added water.
• Choose dry cured ham or bacon - it has no added water and won't spit or leak a salty white fluid into the pan.
• Avoid food with lots of hydrolysed protein, polyphosphates, salt, lactose or dextrose - they can all retain water.Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-150904/How-water-really-food.html#ixzz4L0Dc52vK
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Well this thread is certainly an interesting diversion from our usual political arguments. ;D
Quote from: me on September 22, 2016, 12:33:06 PM
How much water is really in your food?
by ANGELA DOWDEN, Evening Standard
Uh, that article is in England (you know, where they can't grow grapes) and I know this will come as a shock to you but England doesn't have to follow USDA regulations (hint: US stands for United States). How many times do you have to be told that it is absolutely illegal in this country to add water or anything else to meat without noting it on the label before you'll admit that you're full of shit and just making this all up?
Quote from: Exterminator on September 22, 2016, 01:00:58 PM
Uh, that article is in England (you know, where they can't grow grapes) and I know this will come as a shock to you but England doesn't have to follow USDA regulations (hint: US stands for United States). How many times do you have to be told that it is absolutely illegal in this country to add water or anything else to meat without noting it on the label before you'll admit that you're full of shit and just making this all up?
I don't know about England but in other parts of Europe, they also eat horses. I am sure they don't follow any type of food guidelines.
Ya know, if I said it was daylight at high noon I do believe ya'll would tell me it's dark just to argue. Same thing applies over here but this went into more detail.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 22, 2016, 01:11:00 PM
I don't know about England but in other parts of Europe, they also eat horses.
It isn't common in most areas. I lived in Germany for several years and never saw it for sale or was aware of anyone who ate it.
QuoteI am sure they don't follow any type of food guidelines.
This is absolutely false; if anything, their regulations are stricter than ours. As an example, more than half of the EU has banned any type of GMO food which extends to meat that was raised on GMO grain. Here, we aren't even allowed to know if the food is GMO.
Quote from: me on September 22, 2016, 01:21:49 PM
Ya know, if I said it was daylight at high noon I do believe ya'll would tell me it's dark just to argue.
You've got that backwards;
you are the one who will continue to argue even after it has been proven you're wrong.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 22, 2016, 01:29:20 PM
It isn't common in most areas. I lived in Germany for several years and never saw it for sale or was aware of anyone who ate it.
This is absolutely false; if anything, their regulations are stricter than ours. As an example, more than half of the EU has banned any type of GMO food which extends to meat that was raised on GMO grain. Here, we aren't even allowed to know if the food is GMO.
Okay, thanks on correcting that. I know they use to eat horse in certain parts of Europe. My husband was in Air Force and said when he was in it in the '80's, Belgium had horse meat that was served in places.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 22, 2016, 01:40:20 PM
Okay, thanks on correcting that. I know they use to eat horse in certain parts of Europe. My husband was in Air Force and said when he was in it in the '80's, Belgium had horse meat that was served in places.
Like I said, the do apparently still eat it in some places. I had to look it up because I had never seen it and, well, looking things up is what we do! :wink:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 22, 2016, 02:03:44 PM
Like I said, the do apparently still eat it in some places. I had to look it up because I had never seen it and, well, looking things up is what we do! :wink:
No worries and thanks for clearing up about the guidelines. I just thought since Europe is in ways a lot less restrictive on some things that they might not have guidelines on food. When we were in Ukraine, I wouldn't eat meat, now I am sure it was probably beef but I just wouldn't eat the meat. ;)
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 22, 2016, 02:10:03 PM
When we were in Ukraine, I wouldn't eat meat, now I am sure it was probably beef but I just wouldn't eat the meat. ;)
When I was there, the Ukraine was on the other side of the wall! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 22, 2016, 02:26:24 PM
When I was there, the Ukraine was on the other side of the wall! :biggrin:
Lol! We saw symbols of Communism all around us but of course, they use to be Russia and this was in Kiev. Kiev had 13 McDonald's. Lol and we would go to Independence Square where they supposedly fought for their freedom from Russia.
Read the entire article.
http://virtualweberbullet.com/enhancedmeat.html
QuoteSome people counter that enhanced meat is just a way for producers to make more profit by selling meat that's pumped full of water. Don Schiefelbein, Executive Director of the American Gelbvieh Association, a cattle breeding association based in Westminster, Colorado, wrote the following in an article titled, "Lean & Tender vs. Lean & Tasty: Let's Not Become Chicken":
"The lean and tender movement has already taken place in both the pork and poultry industry. The controlling entity (usually the packer) has driven the change in the name of consistency. Unfortunately, the leaner you make meat, the higher the risk of drying out the product during cooking. In order to manage dryness, the pork and poultry packers have aggressively begun offering moisture-enhanced products, i.e. lean and tender pork with water added. The result has been devastating to the pork industry. Lean and tender, moisture-enhanced pork now tastes just like chicken...
"Our beef industry is heading down that very same road. Packers have tremendous economic incentive to increase their profits and manage dryness in the lean product by adding water (moisture enhanced). Exactly the way it has already happened in the pork and poultry industry. The economics are simple. The more water you add, the more profit you make in the short run."
Quote from: me on September 22, 2016, 02:44:20 PM
Read the entire article.
Under the section marked
How To Identify Enhanced Meat, the following statement appears:
"Under federal law, the solution used to enhance meat must be disclosed on the package label. The label must list the total quantity and the common or usual name of the solution ingredients."Under the section marked
How To Identify Non-Enhanced Meat, the following statement appears:
"Photo 5 shows the label for a regular, non-enhanced turkey. It may include a phrase like "Contains up to 6% retained water." Do not confuse this with an enhanced turkey. Retained water is water that is absorbed and retained by the skin and meat as a result of washing and water-immersion chilling during processing. The USDA requires that poultry producers prove that the retained water is an unavoidable consequence of the process used to meet food safety requirements and that they list the actual or maximum percentage of retained water on the label."Both of these statements directly contradict your claim that people are secretly pumping meat full of water to increase its weight.
:rolleyes:
QuoteJust because meat is sold in Cryovac packaging or in a fancy butcher shop display case does not mean that it's not enhanced meat. Even the word "natural" on the label does not guarantee non-enhanced meat.
Under federal law, the solution used to enhance meat must be disclosed on the package label. The label must list the total quantity and the common or usual name of the solution ingredients.
The only way to determine if meat has been enhanced is to carefully read the package label and ask lots of questions of the meat department personnel.
If you're trying to avoid enhanced meat, you do not want to see any of the phrases listed below on the package label.
In Photo 1, a Butterball frozen turkey reads:
"Contains up to 7% of a solution to enhance juiciness and tenderness of water, salt, modified food starch, sodium phosphates and natural flavors."
In Photo 2, the story is a bit more confusing. The big print on this Butterball turkey says "FRESH" and "ALL NATURAL". One could be forgiven for assuming this is a non-enhanced turkey. However, you'll notice there's a little asterisk at the end of "NATURAL". The fine print on the label says:
"Contains up to 4% of a solution of water, salt and spices to enhance tenderness and juiciness. Fresh never frozen. *No artificial ingredients. Minimally processed."
In this case, Butterball defines "all natural" to mean nothing artificial added. But clearly this is an enhanced turkey because of the use of a salt and spice solution. As you can see, "fresh, all natural" and "minimally processed" does not necessarily mean "not enhanced".
In Photo 3, a grocery store brand of frozen turkey reads:
"Injected with approximately 8-1/2% of a solution for juiciness and tenderness. Solution ingredients: Turkey broth, salt, sodium phosphate, sugar and flavorings"
Another brand of frozen bone-in turkey breast reads:
"Injected with up to 15% of a solution to enhance juiciness. Solution ingredients: turkey broth, salt, sugar, sodium phosphates, flavoring"
In Photo 4, a national-brand of enhanced pork spareribs says on its label:
"Tenderness and moistness improved with up to twelve percent Deep BastedTM solution"
Another popular brand of enhanced pork ribs reads:
"Deep BastedTM by addition of up to 7% of a solution of water, sodium phosphates."
Another brand of "premium" pork loin back ribs says:
"Moistness enhanced with up to an 8% solution*"
Then on the back of the package it says:
"*Solution ingredients: Water, salt, sodium phosphates"
Be on the look-out for the words "basted", "enhanced", "injected", "improved" and "marinated". Look for fancy packages with recognizable brand names that use phrases like "always tender", "moist and juicy", "tender and juicy", "guaranteed tender", and "extra tender".
But what if the meat has been packaged (or repackaged) by the supermarket or is displayed unpackaged? In this case, ask the meat department personnel if the meat has been enhanced with a solution. If he or she says "No," then say that you're serious about old-fashioned, slow-cooked barbecue, and that you prefer conventional meat. Then ask, "Can you bring out the original box or Cryovac packaging so I can take a look?" Like Ronald Reagan said while negotiating nuclear arms reductions with the Soviet Union, "Trust, but verify."
How To Identify Non-Enhanced Meat
Typical label for natural turkey
Photo 5
Non-enhanced meat contains no added salt, solutions or flavorings. You should not see the phrase, "Contains up to X% of a solution to enhance tenderness and juiciness" on the label.
Photo 5 shows the label for a regular, non-enhanced turkey. It may include a phrase like "Contains up to 6% retained water." Do not confuse this with an enhanced turkey. Retained water is water that is absorbed and retained by the skin and meat as a result of washing and water-immersion chilling during processing. The USDA requires that poultry producers prove that the retained water is an unavoidable consequence of the process used to meet food safety requirements and that they list the actual or maximum percentage of retained water on the label.
Closing Thoughts
You have the right to know what you're buying, but you also have the responsibility to be a careful shopper, read package labels, and ask the butcher about their products if you have any questions.
Enhanced meat is the wave of the future and it's not going away. People who live in locations that don't have many meat sources to choose from may end up having no choice but to accept enhanced meats and learn to adapt their barbecue recipes accordingly. For example, one might cut back on the amount of salt used in a rub.
In the meantime, tell your butcher and your grocery store manager that you prefer regular meat, if that's your preference, and vote with your wallet. It may not make any difference in the long run, but hopefully there will always be sources out there providing fresh, conventional meat...even if the cost is higher.
Updated: 01/29/2016
Quote from: Exterminator on September 22, 2016, 03:14:43 PM
Both of these statements directly contradict your claim that people are secretly pumping meat full of water to increase its weight.
Read the above from Ex and now read this from your post:
"Be on the look-out for the words "basted", "enhanced", "injected", "improved" and "marinated". Look for fancy packages with recognizable brand names that use phrases like "always tender", "moist and juicy", "tender and juicy", "guaranteed tender", and "extra tender"."
Now now back and read Ex's quote again. Do you get it? It has to be listed on the package! It's not a secret that they put water into it, because if it isn't listed on the label that it is enhanced, etc., then what they are doing is ILLEGAL.
You know some of this food injection really makes the meat taste good. In fact I have a big needle baster. You really make a Boston Butt taste real good and tender with the right liquid and cooked at low temperature and a long time. :drool1: :drool2: :bouquet:
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 22, 2016, 06:49:36 PM
Read the above from Ex and now read this from your post:
"Be on the look-out for the words "basted", "enhanced", "injected", "improved" and "marinated". Look for fancy packages with recognizable brand names that use phrases like "always tender", "moist and juicy", "tender and juicy", "guaranteed tender", and "extra tender"."
Now now back and read Ex's quote again. Do you get it? It has to be listed on the package! It's not a secret that they put water into it, because if it isn't listed on the label that it is enhanced, etc., then what they are doing is ILLEGAL.
Unethical not illegal.
QuoteSome people counter that enhanced meat is just a way for producers to make more profit by selling meat that's pumped full of water. Don Schiefelbein, Executive Director of the American Gelbvieh Association, a cattle breeding association based in Westminster, Colorado, wrote the following in an article titled, "Lean & Tender vs. Lean & Tasty: Let's Not Become Chicken":
"The lean and tender movement has already taken place in both the pork and poultry industry. The controlling entity (usually the packer) has driven the change in the name of consistency. Unfortunately, the leaner you make meat, the higher the risk of drying out the product during cooking. In order to manage dryness, the pork and poultry packers have aggressively begun offering moisture-enhanced products, i.e. lean and tender pork with water added. The result has been devastating to the pork industry. Lean and tender, moisture-enhanced pork now tastes just like chicken...
"Our beef industry is heading down that very same road. Packers have tremendous economic incentive to increase their profits and manage dryness in the lean product by adding water (moisture enhanced). Exactly the way it has already happened in the pork and poultry industry. The economics are simple. The more water you add, the more profit you make in the short run."
Addressing the lable thing.
Quote
But what if the meat has been packaged (or repackaged) by the supermarket or is displayed unpackaged? In this case, ask the meat department personnel if the meat has been enhanced with a solution. If he or she says "No," then say that you're serious about old-fashioned, slow-cooked barbecue, and that you prefer conventional meat. Then ask, "Can you bring out the original box or Cryovac packaging so I can take a look?" Like Ronald Reagan said while negotiating nuclear arms reductions with the Soviet Union, "Trust, but verify."
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 22, 2016, 02:10:03 PM
No worries and thanks for clearing up about the guidelines. I just thought since Europe is in ways a lot less restrictive on some things that they might not have guidelines on food. When we were in Ukraine, I wouldn't eat meat, now I am sure it was probably beef but I just wouldn't eat the meat. ;)
I know this is off topic and isn't any of my business, but did you adopt one of your children from Ukraine. My cousin and his wife adopted both of their children from there, I can't remember which city when they lived in England. He wrote updates every day and it was interesting to read about the process of adopting. Their kids are young teens now.
Quote from: me on September 22, 2016, 09:37:59 PM
Unethical not illegal.
Holy fuck! Is your memory that short term or are you just that stupid? It is illegal to add water and not state it on the package! If you get meat from a display case, then ask about it. Our grocery store states the ingredients and amount of water added (if it is added) right beside the price markers.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 17, 2016, 01:38:30 PM
From the Food Safety and Inspection Service part of the USDA site: Ground Beef and Food Safety Beef fat may be added to "hamburger," but not "ground beef." A maximum of 30% fat is allowed in either hamburger or ground beef. Both hamburger and ground beef can have seasonings, but no water, phosphates, extenders, or binders added. The labeling of meat food products must comply with the Federal Meat Inspection Act (FMIA) and the meat inspection regulations and labeling policies.
Enhanced Meat and Poultry Products
Many grocery stores are now offering meat and poultry products that have flavoring solutions added to them. For example, pork chops may be packaged with a solution of water, salt, and sodium phosphate (a solution that can add flavor and moisture to leaner meats). These new products also provide convenience by saving steps in preparation, such as "Teriyaki Beef in Teriyaki Sauce." To prevent confusion, the presence of flavor solutions must be stated on the front of the package.
Enhanced or value-added meat and poultry products are raw products that contain flavor solutions added through marinating, needle injecting, soaking, etc. The presence and amount of the solution will be featured as part of the product name, for example, "Chicken Thighs Flavored with up to 10% of a Solution" or "Beef Steak Marinated with 6% of a Flavor Solution." The ingredients of the flavor solution must be prominently identified on the label. Typically, this information will be on the principal display panel or the information panel.
The labeling term "marinated" can only be used with specific amounts of solution. "Marinated" meats can contain no more than 10% solution; boneless poultry, no more than 8% solution; and bone-in poultry, no more than 3% solution.
In the case of enhanced products, the solutions that are added to the meat or poultry, or into which the meat or poultry are placed for flavoring, seasoning, and tenderizing, are intended to be part of the product. The solutions are required by regulations and policies to be identified as part of the product names of the enhanced products, and whether the solution is incorporated into the product or is free- flowing, it is considered part of the product.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 22, 2016, 10:45:24 PM
Holy fuck! Is your memory that short term or are you just that stupid? It is illegal to add water and not state it on the package! If you get meat from a display case, then ask about it. Our grocery store states the ingredients and amount of water added (if it is added) right beside the price markers.
Not that I've ever seen. Of course I don't shop Wal-Mart. Damn you're a potty mouth. Evidentely all Libs are nasty natured.
Quote from: me on September 23, 2016, 12:02:31 AM
Not that I've ever seen. Of course I don't shop Wal-Mart. Damn you're a potty mouth. Evidentely all Libs are nasty natured.
What does Wal-Mart have to do with it? No one ever mentioned Wal-mart. All libs are nasty natured? You repeat the same thing over and over after what you have said has been proven false. I'm calling it as I see it. You bring it on yourself.
Quote from: me on September 23, 2016, 12:02:31 AM
Not that I've ever seen. Of course I don't shop Wal-Mart. Damn you're a potty mouth. Evidentely all Libs are nasty natured.
No one even mentioned Walmart but all stores have to follow the same guidelines. You seem to not get that.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 22, 2016, 10:45:24 PM
Is your memory that short term or are you just that stupid?
I'm guessing this is a rhetorical question? :biggrin:
Quote from: me on September 23, 2016, 12:02:31 AM
Evidentely all Libs are nasty natured.
No, it's just annoying to deal with such abject stupidity. You have supplied evidence that directly contradicts your original claim and still want to argue that it wasn't bullshit. Are you senile?
Quote from: Exterminator on September 23, 2016, 07:38:57 AM
I'm guessing this is a rhetorical question? :biggrin:
Bahaha
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 23, 2016, 12:56:49 AM
What does Wal-Mart have to do with it? No one ever mentioned Wal-mart. All libs are nasty natured? You repeat the same thing over and over after what you have said has been proven false. I'm calling it as I see it. You bring it on yourself.
I don't shop at Wal-Mart so if they're the ones that do it I wouldn't have seen it and I figured that would be one you would shop at. Next time you go to the grocery take a pic of the meat case where they have the ingredients or added water weight on the tag in the meat case and tell me what store you're at. Do you think they list every ingredient in bologna or hot dogs on the label? If they did you wouldn't eat them.
Jeezus 'effing Christ! How many times does it need to be spelled out? :wall: Here's a summary of what the following federal regulations state:
21 CFR 101.4(a); 21 CFR 101.4(c); Compliance Policy Guide 555.875
"Water must be identified in the list of ingredients and listed in its
descending order of predominance by weight. If all water added during
processing is subsequently removed by baking or some other means during
processing, water need not be declared as an ingredient. "
Translation: If there's water in it, it has to be on the label. :rolleyes:
Here's the whole damn FDA guidance from whence the above came in case you want to read the entire 132 page document.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM265446.pdf
Quote from: me on September 23, 2016, 11:18:55 AM
Do you think they list every ingredient in bologna or hot dogs on the label?
Yes, they do.
Quote from: Locutus on September 23, 2016, 11:49:58 AM
Here's the whole damn FDA guidance from whence the above came in case you want to read the entire 132 page document.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM265446.pdf
Locutus, just think she's one of these Republicans that want to do away with big government and all of it agencies. For one, the FDA among all of the others. :yes: Call her what she is, one big blowhard dumbass. :yes: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on September 23, 2016, 12:35:15 PM
Locutus, just think she's one of these Republicans that want to do away with big government and all of it agencies. For one, the FDA among all of the others. :yes: Call her what she is, one big blowhard dumbass. :yes: :haha:
They're all for less government up to and until it benefits them in some way. :wink:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 23, 2016, 12:32:17 PM
Yes, they do.
Yes, they do, and if she would read the guidance above, she would see that too. :wall:
Quote from: Locutus on September 23, 2016, 11:48:28 AM
Jeezus 'effing Christ! How many times does it need to be spelled out? :wall: Here's a summary of what the following federal regulations state:
21 CFR 101.4(a); 21 CFR 101.4(c); Compliance Policy Guide 555.875
"Water must be identified in the list of ingredients and listed in its
descending order of predominance by weight. If all water added during
processing is subsequently removed by baking or some other means during
processing, water need not be declared as an ingredient. "[/i
Translation: If there's water in it, it has to be on the label. :rolleyes:
Hum, I wrote a reply but for some reason it didn't take. Oh well, if you'd all go back and read my posts you'd see where I never denied it was listed on the label but I did say they don't have to list how much.
I never denied it was on the label but how much doesn't have to be there and if there is no label, meat in the meat case, you have nothing to read. Did no one see where it suggested asking for the original package if the meat had been repackaged at the store? How many stores do you know that keep the original packaging around for people to see? I'm still waiting on a pic of ingredients on the tag in the meat case that tells the price and what store does that.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 23, 2016, 07:41:16 AM
No, it's just annoying to deal with such abject stupidity. You have supplied evidence that directly contradicts your original claim and still want to argue that it wasn't bullshit. Are you senile?
As you asked me, is this a rhetorical question? ;D
Quote from: me on September 23, 2016, 03:53:28 PM
Hum, I wrote a reply but for some reason it didn't take. Oh well, if you'd all go back and read my posts you'd see where I never denied it was listed on the label but I did say they don't have to list how much.
I never denied it was on the label but how much doesn't have to be there and if there is no label, meat in the meat case, you have nothing to read. Did no one see where it suggested asking for the original package if the meat had been repackaged at the store? How many stores do you know that keep the original packaging around for people to see? I'm still waiting on a pic of ingredients on the tag in the meat case that tells the price and what store does that.
You really don't read what's posted, do you? Go back to page 3. Oh, wait, let me help you. Pay particular attention to the words that are bolded, italicized, and underlined.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 17, 2016, 01:38:30 PM
From the Food Safety and Inspection Service part of the USDA site:
Enhanced Meat and Poultry Products
Many grocery stores are now offering meat and poultry products that have flavoring solutions added to them. For example, pork chops may be packaged with a solution of water, salt, and sodium phosphate (a solution that can add flavor and moisture to leaner meats). These new products also provide convenience by saving steps in preparation, such as "Teriyaki Beef in Teriyaki Sauce." To prevent confusion, the presence of flavor solutions must be stated on the front of the package.
Enhanced or value-added meat and poultry products are raw products that contain flavor solutions added through marinating, needle injecting, soaking, etc. The presence and amount of the solution will be featured as part of the product name, for example, "Chicken Thighs Flavored with up to 10% of a Solution" or "Beef Steak Marinated with 6% of a Flavor Solution." The ingredients of the flavor solution must be prominently identified on the label. Typically, this information will be on the principal display panel or the information panel.
The labeling term "marinated" can only be used with specific amounts of solution. "Marinated" meats can contain no more than 10% solution; boneless poultry, no more than 8% solution; and bone-in poultry, no more than 3% solution.
In the case of enhanced products, the solutions that are added to the meat or poultry, or into which the meat or poultry are placed for flavoring, seasoning, and tenderizing, are intended to be part of the product. The solutions are required by regulations and policies to be identified as part of the product names of the enhanced products, and whether the solution is incorporated into the product or is free- flowing, it is considered part of the product.
Quote from: me on September 23, 2016, 03:54:34 PM
You're real sure about that?
This isn't that hard, really, it isn't. http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceRegulation/GuidanceDocumentsRegulatoryInformation/LabelingNutrition/ucm064880.htm
Quote from: me on September 23, 2016, 11:18:55 AM
I don't shop at Wal-Mart so if they're the ones that do it I wouldn't have seen it and I figured that would be one you would shop at. Next time you go to the grocery take a pic of the meat case where they have the ingredients or added water weight on the tag in the meat case and tell me what store you're at. Do you think they list every ingredient in bologna or hot dogs on the label? If they did you wouldn't eat them.
Why did you figure I shop at Wal-Mart and how did you come to that conclusion from my posts? Does Wal-Mart even have a unpackaged meat case?
I've never seen a Wal-Mart with an unpackaged meat case. :no:
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 23, 2016, 06:42:58 PM
Why did you figure I shop at Wal-Mart and how did you come to that conclusion from my posts? Does Wal-Mart even have a unpackaged meat case?
I have never seen an unpackaged meat case and have been to Walmart. My husband or I actually go there early Saturday mornings when they put certain meats on sale.
I'm not sure I'd eat unpackaged meat from Wal-Mart anyway. :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on September 23, 2016, 07:33:28 PM
I'm not sure I'd eat unpackaged meat from Wal-Mart anyway. :biggrin:
;D
Quote from: Locutus on September 23, 2016, 07:33:28 PM
I'm not sure I'd eat unpackaged meat from Wal-Mart anyway. :biggrin:
I don't eat anything from Wal-Mart........I don't even buy gum there...... :no:
Quote from: me on September 23, 2016, 11:47:24 PM
I don't eat anything from Wal-Mart........I don't even buy gum there...... :no:
I can't understand that, in the past you have said that you had many friends that worked at Walmart. :confused: And that they said it was a wonderful place to work. Don't say you haven't because I know you have said it. :biggrin: :yes: If it is a wonderful place to work, surly they have good food too. :haha: