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NBC News anchor Brian Williams has been caught in a flagrant lie.  Stemming from his 2003 trip to Iraq, when was on-board a Chinook helicopter that he CLAIMED was hit by two rockets and small arms fire.

After a recent apology, his omission isn't sitting well with some veterans who were there with him at the time....

"Brian knew what he was saying. He didn't forget what chopper he was on. It took the soldiers that were there to make him finally admit he lied about the incident," SSG of the U.S. Army Anthony Anderson, "Although it doesn't meet the definition [of] 'Stolen Valor,' it's still along the same lines, as he claimed to be in an incident involving combat that he wasn't in.

I believe he only apologized because the soldiers protested. Had they not spoken up, would he have ever apologized for it?"



Not a good thing, for the anchor and managing editor of NBC Nightly News.... :no:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 05, 2015, 11:34:03 AM
NBC News anchor Brian Williams has been caught in a flagrant lie.  Stemming from his 2003 trip to Iraq, when was on-board a Chinook helicopter that he CLAIMED was hit by two rockets and small arms fire.

After a recent apology, his omission isn't sitting well with some veterans who were there with him at the time....

"Brian knew what he was saying. He didn't forget what chopper he was on. It took the soldiers that were there to make him finally admit he lied about the incident," SSG of the U.S. Army Anthony Anderson, "Although it doesn't meet the definition [of] 'Stolen Valor,' it's still along the same lines, as he claimed to be in an incident involving combat that he wasn't in.

I believe he only apologized because the soldiers protested. Had they not spoken up, would he have ever apologized for it?"



Not a good thing, for the anchor and managing editor of NBC Nightly News.... :no:

Nobody has NOTHING to say about this despicable POS?

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 06, 2015, 08:15:21 AM
Nobody has NOTHING to say about this despicable POS?

So let me get this straight...he's a despicable POS but your fat, racist, lying (and you parroted on of his lies, that of the measles outbreak being caused by immigrants, just this week thereby making it your own), drug-addled hypocrite, Rush Limbaugh, is worthy of respect?  This speaks volumes to your character, as though any of us who've read your tripe over the years had any doubts anyway.

Quote from: Exterminator on February 06, 2015, 08:56:12 AM
So let me get this straight...he's a despicable POS but your fat, racist, lying (and you parroted on of his lies, that of the measles outbreak being caused by immigrants, just this week thereby making it your own), drug-addled hypocrite, Rush Limbaugh, is worthy of respect?  This speaks volumes to your character, as though any of us who've read your tripe over the years had any doubts anyway.

Your name calling speaks volumes to your character. That is not a good thing either. You lib/dems crack me up when you start that crap and you all do it.

Oh btw, you forgot your "e". 

Quote from: Exterminator on February 06, 2015, 08:56:12 AM
So let me get this straight...he's a despicable POS but your fat, racist, lying (and you parroted on of his lies, that of the measles outbreak being caused by immigrants, just this week thereby making it your own), drug-addled hypocrite, Rush Limbaugh, is worthy of respect?  This speaks volumes to your character, as though any of us who've read your tripe over the years had any doubts anyway.

Did I say that? Or do that?   No!   

Back on topic, So YOUR saying what Brian Williams did is okay?  This speaks volumes to your character, as though any of us who've read your egotistical bullshit over the years had any doubts anyway.

BTW, I haven't listened to Limbaugh in a very, very long time.  I don't have time.

Hmmm...seems the latest neocon witch hunt is falling apart. (http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/06/media/stelter-iraq-pilots/index.html)

Quote from: me on February 06, 2015, 09:51:38 AM
Your name calling speaks volumes to your character. That is not a good thing either. You lib/dems crack me up when you start that crap and you all do it.

STFU.  :rolleyes:

Quote from: Exterminator on February 06, 2015, 11:31:24 AM
STFU.  :rolleyes:

Wow, a little touchy are we this morning Ex? ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Exterminator on February 06, 2015, 11:30:06 AM
Hmmm...seems there are a lot of people having a hard time remembering the details. (http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/06/media/stelter-iraq-pilots/index.html)

Quote from: Exterminator on February 06, 2015, 11:46:31 AM

So, big f'ing deal, Williams has already admitted that he lied.  Despite what the pilot says.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 06, 2015, 11:59:08 AM
So, big f'ing deal, Williams has already admitted that he lied.  Despite what the pilot says.

You've lied right here on this forum...do you call yourself a despicable POS?

Quote from: Exterminator on February 06, 2015, 12:44:37 PM
You've lied right here on this forum...do you call yourself a despicable POS?

I'm not the managing editor and head anchor of the NBC Nightly New..........and I don't ever recall lying on here.  If I did, it was only for YOUR sake....

This is just as I figured.  You are a hypocrite, if this was Limbaugh, you would have your underwear all bound up in your ass.  Since this is a lib, you think it is okay or you just divert the subject, (like normal) and start bashing.   

I love it!   ;D

I knew this would be your response!!  ;D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 06, 2015, 01:00:19 PM
This is just as I figured.  You are a hypocrite, if this was Limbaugh, you would have your underwear all bound up in your ass.  Since this is a lib, you think it is okay or you just divert the subject, (like normal) and start bashing.   

Limbaugh is a scum-sucking, lying bottom-feeder and I wouldn't piss on any of his supporters to put them out if they were on fire (although I would probably laugh hysterically while they burned).

Quote from: Exterminator on February 06, 2015, 01:27:21 PM
Limbaugh is a scum-sucking, lying bottom-feeder and I wouldn't piss on any of his supporters to put them out if they were on fire (although I would probably laugh hysterically while they burned).

Again, you have no response to Brian Williams lying?  It is okay for him to do this?  I thought you was SUPPOSED to be intellectually honest?  You are just another, troll, who listens to what the main stream media tells ya, and you jump on the bandwagon, throw in some articulate language and YOU are just a guy who understands everything by your own intellectual honesty! 

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Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 06, 2015, 01:41:56 PM
Again, you have no response to Brian Williams lying?

I think it's unfortunate but if you look back into the history of this thing, you will see that when he first reported the incident in 2003 right after it happened, he explicitly stated that the RPG hit the helicopter in front of the one he was in.  According to reports since then, both that chopper and the one Williams was in took small arms fire as well.  I'm not even convinced he meant to lie in an account of the events 10 years later as much as misspoke for which he has apologized.  I'm pretty sure that doesn't rise to the level of, "despicable POS."

QuoteI thought you was SUPPOSED to be intellectually honest?

* were, you illiterate buffoon.

QuoteYou are just another, troll, who listens to what the main stream media tells ya, and you jump on the bandwagon...

This from someone who listens to (stupid) Fux News and Rush Limbaugh?

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I could have guessed this response too!

It is the same bullshit with you.  Attack, try to be a smart ass, (I said try)


Here is Williams on Letterman (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdFo8NjirDM)

"two of our four helicopters were hit by ground fire, including the one I was in -- RPG and AK-47."

Are you still not convinced he meant to lie?

And here is another proof of his lie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hxQ_PM_gDc#t=86)

"helicopter we're traveling in was forced down after being hit by an RPG."

As I said, both of your examples are from interviews more than 10 years after the fact.

So what do you think he should do...put a bullet in his head?

Ironic that the fundamental belief in the bullshit story that is your religion is that you get to get into heaven by admitting your sins to your voodoo-sky-daddy and asking for forgiveness but when someone admits his mistake and apologizes for it, you aren't even gracious enough to accept it and move on.

Quote from: Exterminator on February 06, 2015, 04:00:22 PM
As I said, both of your examples are from interviews more than 10 years after the fact.

So what do you think he should do...put a bullet in his head?

Ironic that the fundamental belief in the bullshit story that is your religion is that you get to get into heaven by admitting your sins to your voodoo-sky-daddy and asking for forgiveness but when someone admits his mistake and apologizes for it, you aren't even gracious enough to accept it and move on.

WOW! I am really getting under your skin today...(http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)

He lied, Ex!  He was trying to make him self look better than he really is.  He is supposed to be a journalist.  Integrity should mean something.  Lying in not part of integrity.

So, since you cannot just admit, that this guy screwed up, and probably should step down, you feel the need to attack my Christian beliefs?  (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)

Wow!   ;D

I would believe his apology to be real, IF, he stepped down from his position of HEAD EDITOR of the NBC NIGHTLY NEWS!

I think he is just trying save his ass right now.  To hell with any integrity of the NBC NIGHTLY NEWS.  :rolleyes:

Hey, I never claimed I was any great person, just because I believe there is a God.  I don't like blatant liars.  He has apparently LIED.  He is in a position of trust, and he has violated that.  I think that makes him a POS.  :yes:   If he steps down, I could change my attitude towards him then.  Until then, or until somebody proves that this was just a mistake....This is my take on it.

If Rush Limbaugh and the entire cast of Faux News admit their lies and step down, then I would agree that Brian Williams would have to step down also.

blah, blah, blah.......this isn't about Rush Limbaugh.  Limbaugh is an entertainer.  Williams is an American journalist who is the anchor and managing editor of NBC Nightly News.

The bottom line is, I really don't give a flip.  I don't watch the  NBC Nightly News.  It won't effect me in the least.

I just wanted to see how hypocritical all of the resident intellectually honest folks here would be. 

It is just as I KNEW it would be.   :yes: ;)

WOW! get this!

This is from wikipedia.. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Williams)

Williams claims that he was in a five star hotel in the French Quarter and saw a dead body float by his window. He claims the hotel was overrun by a street gang. He also claims that he drank flood water and got dysentery. New Orleans health officials state that the French Quarter did not get flood water and they are not aware of anyone getting dysentery during the storm.

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There ya go, even more...this just keeps getting better...

Henry's Hero! ....

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thanks to America's Truth Detector; the Doctor of Democracy; the Most Dangerous Man in America; the All-Knowing, All-Sensing, All-Everything Maha Rushie; defender of motherhood, protector of fatherhood and an all-around good guy.... :clap:

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Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 09, 2008, 08:50:17 AM
you know, the people that don't like Rush Limbaugh, I have found....NEVER listened to him before...........

funny there are 20 Million people out there that actual listen to him........there is a reason for that....he is very entertaining AND informative....and that REALLY pisses of the liberal crowd.......cause that cannot find NOBODY to even come close to his stature...or his effectivness on the air waves......

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Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 02, 2007, 08:47:36 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20070201/pl_usnw/landmark_legal_foundation_nominates_rush_limbaugh_for2007_nobel_peace_prize (http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20070201/pl_usnw/landmark_legal_foundation_nominates_rush_limbaugh_for2007_nobel_peace_prize)

Rush Limbaugh for 2007 Nobel Peace Prize

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Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 05, 2015, 11:34:03 AM
NBC News anchor Brian Williams has been caught in a flagrant lie.  Stemming from his 2003 trip to Iraq, when was on-board a Chinook helicopter that he CLAIMED was hit by two rockets and small arms fire.

After a recent apology, his omission isn't sitting well with some veterans who were there with him at the time....

"Brian knew what he was saying. He didn't forget what chopper he was on. It took the soldiers that were there to make him finally admit he lied about the incident," SSG of the U.S. Army Anthony Anderson, "Although it doesn't meet the definition [of] 'Stolen Valor,' it's still along the same lines, as he claimed to be in an incident involving combat that he wasn't in.

I believe he only apologized because the soldiers protested. Had they not spoken up, would he have ever apologized for it?"



Not a good thing, for the anchor and managing editor of NBC Nightly News.... :no:

Funny how it would seem there are so many, so willing to tear down those who maintain a modicum of respect. The fact is, I had this to say about Williams just over 2 months prior to this story breaking: (Within this very forum)

Quote from: Palehorse on December 04, 2014, 07:19:31 PM
I try to catch the evening NBC network news with Brian Williams every night. Over his tenure as the regular talking head for each evening's broadcast, I've built up a measure of respect for the man; at least as much respect as is possible to muster up given the current trend of sensationalism in the media. I like the fact that he and his team end each newscast with a positive / inspirational story, and tonight was no exception.

It isn't much, but this evening he gained some additional respect in my view by not showing up for work, and having Lester Holt stand in for him. Why?

His daughter Allison, is performing in a play this evening. Now that in itself probably doesn't do much for the average reader here, nor should it for me now that I think of it, because Allison is 26 years old. One would think daddy would have had his fill of plays that his little girl was in, but this is a bit different.

Allison is starring in the role of Peter Pan; live on television. That too probably is no big deal for most of you, but the thing is since she was a child she has always wanted to be Peter Pan, and for that brief period in life wherein magic truly exists in real life, she was Peter Pan. And she never let that dream go even into adult-hood.

Of course daddy knew, and he, mom, and the grandparents fed that dream when she was a little girl; which served to make it even more real for her as a child. And tonight she will truly be Peter Pan, flying and all, on NBC at 8:00pm eastern time. And though she is a 26 year old adult, she is still daddy's little girl and daddy could not / would not miss this for the world.

I get that. And I applaud Brian Williams for continuing to support the dreams of his children, and yes even the dreams of his parents. (Which is another story altogether).

I believe I will watch this just because I want to see his daughter do well, realize her dream, and hopefully see daddy burst through the doors to congratulate his daughter once the credits start to roll.

Break a leg Allison Williams ! (And BE Peter Pan for the millions who will watch tonight. May you inspire hundreds with your performance, and spark a few more Peter Pans in the viewing audience, to take up the role once you outgrow it). . .  :smile:

And respect him I did. . . So imagine my surprise at watching his newscast one evening earlier this week, and hearing him apologizing for his memory lapse surrounding an event that had transpired some 10-12 years prior to his statement in question here. He apologized, publicly, admitted his error, and expressed his deep and profound respect for those who have, and do serve(d) this nation.

That got my attention that evening. WTF? So I did some investigation and began discovering some of the information contained herein, as well as some not contained here. Some of it accredited, and most of it opinion based upon hearsay; and in many cases, based upon the own faulty and inconsistent memories of a situation they themselves (former service members that were there) could not agree upon. Their memories were just as rift with inaccuracies as those attributed to Williams himself.

Given the situation and the fact that even those members of the military that are documented to have been within the aircraft involved within the very incident in question here, cannot agree which of them were flying the aircraft within which Williams was sitting at the time of the incident, (at least 3 of them each claim to have been flying the aircraft he was in), nor whether or not their aircraft came under fire, it would seem to me that holding one individual to a high standard of adjudication and not all is in itself hypocritical in nature.

The bottom line is, this situation validates something the laws of this land understood a very long time ago; human witnesses are at best, a leaky vessel within which to place ones absolute trust; especially when it comes to recalling the details of an incident that imposes high levels of stress upon those enduring it.

As this case exemplifies, you can place 9 people into the exact same environment, and have them endure the exact same situations, see and hear the same things, and when they are debriefed, even immediately following the elimination of the threat/stress, you will get 9 different recollections of what transpired and who did what. And the longer span of time you allow to pass before debriefing, the worse their recollections are and the more they will differ. Proven fact and this story is a primary example of it.

All of this being the case, do I believe Mr. Williams intentionally set out to commit "Stolen Valor"? Do I believe he lied with intent?

The answer to that is no.

Does what has taken place make him a lying POS that needs to be fired, or resign his position(s) within the corporate media giant he is under contract with? No.

Does it make him human?

Yes.

Does it reduce my level of respect for him and the level of trust I place in his reporting?

Yes.

But then, I maintain a very low level of trust surrounding any media talking head and source. When I said in December that he had raised his level of respect with me, that wasn't saying a whole lot; for the bulk of media talking heads and sources hold a level of trust and respect with me that approaches just above nothing. Williams, at the time of the quoted post had risen to some point above that, I will admit. Which by comparison to the bulk of his colleagues meant a lot at that time.

He now joins his colleagues in the just shy of nothing level surrounding trust and respect. He didn't have far to fall though, so that isn't saying much. Then again, I don't see his perceived transgressions as deserving of ruination of his life and career either.

It's not like he said he could see Russia from his back yard while running for public office!

EDIT: So after posting this and rereading some of the exchanges herein, another thought occurred to me surrounding integrity.

Some of you posted commentary stating that this incident was such an egregious violation of trust that it (implied) loss of integrity.

Integrity amongst the media talking heads today? Seriously?

Who, among the scores of talking heads within all of the media sources in this day and age, carries ANY level of integrity in the eyes of those of you posting here?

Out of that mass of jabbering humanity, who amongst them could hold a candle to the level of integrity once held by the likes of Walter Cronkite?

In my view, NONE of them do, have, or could. NONE of them hold more than a nanogram of integrity in my view. None.

So why all the vitriol toward Williams, when we have media empires established upon a basic premise that stretching the truth and embellishing the facts with "factoids", specifically inserted to evoke emotional response, is perfectly acceptable and passes as journalism today? (FOX)

Seriously?  :spooked:

  Who cares if he made a mistake in what he thought or said about it.  I still like him.   :yes:

I agree PH. He at least admitted he made a mistake and I sure to hell don't see many in the media and our politians doing that!

It amazes me how my left wing friends on here is OK with Bran Williams, but I know for a fact if this had been O'Reily, Hannity, Limbaugh or ANYONE on the right, you would NOT be as forgiving.  You are always accusing me of being hypocritical and biased.

I would like to retract one thing I said about Williams.  I don't think he is a POS. I really believed he just got caught up and spoke before he thought about the repercussions. I actually feel sorry for him, but I think if he is truly sorry, he would step down from his current position with NBC.

I got caught up with ex protecting him just because he is being jumped on by those on the right.  It never ever ends!

I'm sick of it!  Everybody pretends THEY are being "intellectually honest"..... It all comes down to being liberal or conservative.

At least on here it is.

To sum it all up, for me, Williams screwed up and told a lie!  If there is even a remote chance of journalism making an attempt in trying to restore a lick of faith back into that industry, he needs to go.  If he would step down, it would restore a tremendous amount of respect to him from me.  If this gets swept under the rug, it will only deepen the extremely tarnished image of our news media.

Everyone on here knows that Mrs. Palin never said she could see Russia from her back yard, right?

Quote from: Anne on February 07, 2015, 11:32:43 AM
Everyone on here knows that Mrs. Palin never said she could see Russia from her back yard, right?

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Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 07, 2015, 11:05:02 AM
It amazes me how my left wing friends on here is OK with Bran Williams, but I know for a fact if this had been O'Reily, Hannity, Limbaugh or ANYONE on the right, you would NOT be as forgiving.  You are always accusing me of being hypocritical and biased.

I would like to retract one thing I said about Williams.  I don't think he is a POS. I really believed he just got caught up and spoke before he thought about the repercussions. I actually feel sorry for him, but I think if he is truly sorry, he would step down from his current position with NBC.

I got caught up with ex protecting him just because he is being jumped on by those on the right.  It never ever ends!

I'm sick of it!  Everybody pretends THEY are being "intellectually honest"..... It all comes down to being liberal or conservative.

At least on here it is.

To sum it all up, for me, Williams screwed up and told a lie!  If there is even a remote chance of journalism making an attempt in trying to restore a lick of faith back into that industry, he needs to go.  If he would step down, it would restore a tremendous amount of respect to him from me.  If this gets swept under the rug, it will only deepen the extremely tarnished image of our news media.

That in itself wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for him also lying about the hardship he had to endure after Katrina. 

Quote from: me on February 07, 2015, 01:00:47 PM
That in itself wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for him also lying about the hardship he had to endure after Katrina.

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Quote from: me on February 07, 2015, 01:00:47 PM
That in itself wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for him also lying about the hardship he had to endure after Katrina.

"Well, critics turned their eyes to this in 2005. Of course, he reported from New Orleans. He had talked later about the flood waters surrounding the Ritz-Carlton, about personally seeing a dead body, about contracting dysentery. And interestingly, today, later in the day, there has been some photographic support of the idea of floodwaters at Ritz-Carlton. Other reporters tell me he could've seen a dead body. The question of contracting dysentery from the water there - still up in the air." -- David Folkenflik, NPR News (http://www.npr.org/2015/02/06/384345845/brian-williams-under-microscope-after-recanting-helicopter-story)

Quote from: Exterminator on February 07, 2015, 02:49:27 PM
"Well, critics turned their eyes to this in 2005. Of course, he reported from New Orleans. He had talked later about the flood waters surrounding the Ritz-Carlton, about personally seeing a dead body, about contracting dysentery. And interestingly, today, later in the day, there has been some photographic support of the idea of floodwaters at Ritz-Carlton. Other reporters tell me he could've seen a dead body. The question of contracting dysentery from the water there - still up in the air." -- David Folkenflik, NPR News (http://www.npr.org/2015/02/06/384345845/brian-williams-under-microscope-after-recanting-helicopter-story)

Oh yea, like NPR isn't biased. 

Quote from: me on February 07, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
Oh yea, like NPR isn't biased. 

Jeezus Christ!  Is bias all you can claim when you see something you disagree with?  Will you believe a fucking picture instead?



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NEW ORLEANS — NBC News anchor Brian Williams' reporting after Hurricane Katrina — in particular his claim of seeing a dead body float by his French Quarter hotel room — has come under new scrutiny in the wake of his recent admission that he lied about an incident while covering the Iraq war.

While doubters have noted correctly that the Quarter, New Orleans' original high ground, remained largely if not completely dry, photographs and news reports from the time indicate there was flooding around the Ritz-Carlton, where Williams apparently stayed. Hotel representative Darren Crumpton said Friday the Ritz could not confirm Williams was there because it does not disclose the identity of guests for privacy reasons.

The hotel is located on Canal Street between Burgundy and Dauphine streets — technically just outside the Quarter, which is bounded by Esplande Avenue, the Mississippi River, and Iberville and North Rampart streets.

Pictures shot at the time by a guest at the hotel show there was water outside the Ritz. It's unclear how deep the water was: It's shallow enough that the sidewalk below is clearly visible, but also deep enough that a boat is bobbing in the water. It is also unclear exactly what day the pictures were taken.

A Times-Picayune account from Sept. 1, 2005, cites a hotel manager describing the hotel as being surrounded by water, and discussing the Ritz' efforts to evacuate guests. A subsequent report on Sept. 8 by the same reporter, Rebecca Mowbray, says the Ritz sustained significant flood damage and was shuttered. It would remain closed for at least 15 months while it invested $100 million plus in a renovation of the property, according to news accounts.


http://www.sunherald.com/2015/02/06/6057878_advocate-katrina-photos-show-water.html?rh=1

Husband just read where Brian Williams is taking a leave of absence. Say whatever you want but I like the guy.

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on February 07, 2015, 05:30:05 PM
Husband just read where Brian Williams is taking a leave of absence. Say whatever you want but I like the guy.

That should make the Hawk happy.  :roll eyes:

Brian Williams is stepping aside from his "NBC Nightly News" chair amid mounting questions about the accuracy of a story he told about an Iraq War mission in 2003.
"I have decided to take myself off of my daily broadcast for the next several days," he said in a memo to colleagues on Saturday afternoon.
Lester Holt, anchor of NBC's "Dateline" and the weekend "Nightly News," will fill in for Williams. . .

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/07/media/brian-williams-nbc-stepping-aside/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/07/media/brian-williams-nbc-stepping-aside/index.html)

Happy now Hawk & me?

Another career on the rocks and sinking fast, all due to the caterwauling of individuals just like the both of you.

Who's next? Lester Holt?  :rolleyes:

Quote from: Palehorse on February 07, 2015, 07:33:40 PM
Happy now Hawk & me?

Another career on the rocks and sinking fast, all due to the caterwauling of individuals just like the both of you.

Illiterate losers.  I can't wait for the next civil war.

Quote from: Exterminator on February 07, 2015, 08:20:04 PM
Illiterate losers.  I can't wait for the next civil war.

It approaches; and a lot quicker than they think. . .

Quote from: Palehorse on February 07, 2015, 07:33:40 PM
Brian Williams is stepping aside from his "NBC Nightly News" chair amid mounting questions about the accuracy of a story he told about an Iraq War mission in 2003.
"I have decided to take myself off of my daily broadcast for the next several days," he said in a memo to colleagues on Saturday afternoon.
Lester Holt, anchor of NBC's "Dateline" and the weekend "Nightly News," will fill in for Williams. . .

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/07/media/brian-williams-nbc-stepping-aside/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/07/media/brian-williams-nbc-stepping-aside/index.html)

Happy now Hawk & me?

Another career on the rocks and sinking fast, all due to the caterwauling of individuals just like the both of you.

Who's next? Lester Holt?  :rolleyes:

Yes, he got caught trying to make himself look like a hero at the expense of our soldiers, he made a bad choice.  He is the cheif editor and head anchor of the NBC Nightly News.  He needs to be accountable for his own actions. He will be back, and probably stronger.

How is it my fault?  I didn't lie to america!  I didn't do a damn thing to him.   Let's just blame the Republicans, that is what liberals do!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 07, 2015, 10:14:38 PM
Yes, he got caught trying to make himself look like a hero at the expense of our soldiers, . . . He will be back. . .

Did he say he was a military member? No. So where's the "cost" to our military?

There is slim to no chance Williams will find a job awaiting him within the next 2 weeks, for you and your ilk will demand his head on a silver platter and you will not shut the hell up until you get it.

And what will be his choices after that? NBC will not touch him, nor will CBS. (CBS is busy practicing ageism and cleaning house for a more youthful lineup).
No, it'll be FOX or nothing, and my money says nothing will be his choice rather than go to a rag network that is nothing more than a televised version of the National Enquirer. . .

It is still, 100% his fault. Nobody to blame but himself. My ilk? Lol!

If this had been Limbaugh, you and YOUR ilk would have his head on a platter.

By the way, I am quite aware just how close we are to a civil war, and your potus is largely responsible.

Quote from: Palehorse on February 07, 2015, 10:33:12 PM
Did he say he was a military member? No. So where's the "cost" to our military?

Our military has earned the right to be called hero's,  Williams was trying to be one by telling a lie.  Tooting his own horn over something that did not happen on, national TV.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 07, 2015, 10:46:20 PM
Our military has earned the right to be called hero's,  Williams was trying to be one by telling a lie.  Tooting his own horn over something that did not happen on, national TV.

There's absolutely zero evidence that Williams was "trying to be a hero" by any stretch of the imagination.  Even your warmongering bobbleheads at Fox have never done that. 

C'mon Hank!  Isn't that a stretch?  Even for you?

Quote from: Locutus on February 07, 2015, 10:54:11 PM
There's absolutely zero evidence that Williams was "trying to be a hero" by any stretch of the imagination.  Even your warmongering bobbleheads at Fox have never done that. 

C'mon Hank!  Isn't that a stretch?  Even for you?

He was trying to inflate himself, that is not a stretch. He lied! He is the head anchor of NBC News! Telling a story like he did was wrong!  Why is it hard to not see the problem here? If he was just a celebrity, big deal, but he was put into a position of trust and he blew it!

Wow! You guys are cracking me up! It is not the end of the world, and I betya he ends up more popular than ever.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 07, 2015, 11:01:04 PM
He was trying to inflate himself, that is not a stretch. He lied! He is the head anchor of NBC News! Telling a story like he did was wrong!  Why is it hard to not see the problem here? If he was just a celebrity, big deal, but he was put into a position of trust and he blew it!

Wow! You guys are cracking me up! It is not the end of the world, and I betya he ends up more popular than ever.

I have no doubt that his story changed somewhat over the course of the years, but whose story doesn't? 

If it were proven that he intentionally lied, then I'm on your side HH.  However this has turned into a witch hunt.  The segue of the national conversation into the Katrina situation clearly demonstrates that.  You parroted that Katrina crap, and as the picture shows, there were flood waters around the Ritz-Carlton in New Orleans during Katrina.   

Williams may have had recollection problems, but so did the people in the military who are speaking to this subject.  Who wouldn't have a problem with specifics when you're in a convoy of Chinook helicopters under enemy fire?   Neither you, nor I, nor anyone else for that matter could be expected to recall everything with 100% accuracy. 

Again, HE IS THE HEAD ANCHOR at NBC!  His words matter.

The Katrina thing I just got it from Wikipedia and posted what they said. I don't know if that is true or not.  Remember one thing, he, himself admitted he got it wrong, after he was called out on it.

Honestly I am sorry it happened but it did, and it is no one else's fault but his.  If he told the truth this story never happens.  I don't think you could confuse if your helicopter was hit by attack or not! He said it was, then he said it wasn't after he got called out.  He is a journalist who is supposed to tell it like it is.  He didn't!

I am going to bed.

I don't see where Williams was ever saying he was a hero. He was doing a job and made a mistake. How many times have some of us made mistakes at a job? I know I did when working. What happened is he caused people to not trust his being ethical in news and media people have a hard time being trusted as it is but a hero, he never said he was that or tried to portray he was a member of the military.

Ole' Duke sez "Brian said it therefore he owns it.  Rush sez it and he owns it and heck Ole' Duke just said it so he owns it"

Best regards,
Duke (did I say that) Jupiter

Well put duke!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 07, 2015, 10:40:54 PM
It is still, 100% his fault. Nobody to blame but himself. My ilk? Lol!

Yes, you and your ilk are assuming a lot of things surrounding intention and motivation in this incident, and have appointed yourselves judge,jury, and executioner in the process. As others have said here before; There is no proof surrounding motivation and intention. . .

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 07, 2015, 10:40:54 PM
If this had been Limbaugh, you and YOUR ilk would have his head on a platter.

We're talking about Williams here, not Limbaugh. That you do not see the difference between the two is an example of exactly why Williams' situation is such a travesty.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 07, 2015, 10:40:54 PM
By the way, I am quite aware just how close we are to a civil war, and your potus is largely responsible.

My POTUS? Don't you mean "OUR" POTUS?

That statement right there is exactly one of the root causes for the situation Williams finds himself in today.

You racists have been stirring the pot for just short of a decade now with your vitriol, to the point where it is now infecting not just politics, but the very fabric of this nation. The level of accountability and punishment, for even the slightest transgressions, has gone off the scale of acceptability and well into the absurd, forcing the bleating sheep amongst the population to steadfastly hold onto the us verses them perspective in all things public and private.

That you can rationalize the whole thing by pointing to one man as the singular cause of the situation is beyond absurdity.  :spooked:

Moreover, taking a WiKi posting as valid and truthful information, and using it to support your insidious position on Williams is a primary example of the laziness of you and your ilk. You take spoon fed information designed to evoke an emotional response from you as the unvarnished truth, then support it with even more conjecture without even a modicum of effort to look any further; focusing solely upon finding only that information that will support your position without regard to vetting of all available information prior to arriving at a decision or position on the matter.

One day each one of you will be subjected to the result of exactly the same methodology, and I dare say when it threatens your livelihood and family, you will be howling to the heavens about the unfairness of it all and about how you were wronged.  And I say this because as we all know, excrement runs downhill; and the standards once reserved for politicians and political candidates are now being used as the measure for an increasingly larger portion of humanity. One day it will be your turn. Perhaps even for something you posted herein.  :yes:

This is yet another RW/TP tempest in a teapot.

If anyone actually thought Brian Williams had any overiding journalistic integrity, all they had to do is think back on his blatant shilling for his daughter on the NBC national news.

Therefore, any complaints by the Right - and especially our local dimbulb ideologue Hank, who can ALWAYS be counted on to immediately parrot the extreme ideological position he's been spoon fed that day - about Williams 'journalistic integrity' are worthless vacuous bull excrement.  Williams can lay no claim to it.

Anyway, who doesn't know newcasters are good looking, pleasantly voiced, corporate shills always promoting their careers by practically any means available?

All that being said, Williams is a personable face who doesn't appear to color the news to any extremes with his own personal/corporate views.  That's about all you can expect from the national news any more. 

The corporations won - Edward R. Murrow and company lost.

 :biggrin: just exactly as I figured!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 07, 2015, 11:21:51 PM
. . .
The Katrina thing I just got it from Wikipedia and posted what they said. I don't know if that is true or not.  . . .

. . .

But you said it. You repeated it. Now you own it.

So now you have lied. You need to be held accountable. You need to resign from your job.

 :biggrin:

He lied on national TV, and he is paying for it now.  Its that simple.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 11:21:27 AM
:biggrin: just exactly as I figured!

What?  That your continued regurgitations of whatever RW/TP talking point you've been spoon fed that day are seen as ridiculous and get shredded by the intellectual class?

You don't get it, Hank.  You, Me, and your ilk are just the brainless parrots the RW/TP want to do their grunt work for them.  The RW/TP spoon feeds you their talking points and sends you idjuts out to proselytize or be sacrificed as the ideological idiots you are.

Do you really enjoy being a shill for their mean spirited stupidity?

I enjoy annoying you!   :biggrin:

I work with some the most intelligent people in this state. Some of the top entrepreneurs, businessmen, architects, engineers, sales reps and nearly all of them are right wing minded people, so say whatever it takes to make you feel good about things, I know for a fact I am in good company.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 11:34:46 AM
He lied on national TV, and he is paying for it now.  Its that simple.

You act as if it's been definitively proved that he lied - it hasn't.  Even the people involved have different recollections of what actually happened. 

I don't hear you RW/TP idjuts investigating any other of the people involved to see if any of them have made statements that have 'grown' over time or have no basis in fact.  Hell, most of them are/were military.  There's where your 'hero' BS might have some legs.

But no, you're just howling for the skin of a prominent face of the mass media you conspiracy nutz are always carping about.

I swear, I think there's something seriously wrong with you people.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 11:34:46 AM
He lied on national TV, and he is paying for it now.  Its that simple.

And you lied on a national forum on the internet. Same thing. (Have you resigned your position yet?)

One day you will be held just as accountable for your lies as Williams is being for his faulty memory.

Then it will be; "Shit just got real", for you.

As a matter of fact, it has already begun in a lot of ways in which you are not presently aware of.

If you post something on your social networking account that your employer, or an individual in an authority position with your employer, deems unacceptable, you will be summarily fired with no recourse. Same holds true for any public venue.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 11:45:24 AM
I enjoy annoying you!   :biggrin:

I work with some the most intelligent people in this state. Some of the top entrepreneurs, businessmen, architects, engineers, sales reps and nearly all of them are right wing minded people, so say whatever it takes to make you feel good about things, I know for a fact I am in good company.

If you think you 'annoy' me, you're mistaken.

You're also mistaken in thinking those are the "most intelligent people in the state" or that your business association with them somehow translates to your equality with them on any level.

You're also mistaken in thinking that it's a good thing, and something to admired and emulated, that they're RW. 

They're RW simply as an extension of their being capitalists.  If being for Divine Right would make them money, they'd be monarchists.  They're opportunists - no more, no less - and that's something hardly to be admired.

Do you enjoy being their lap dog?

Quote from: Palehorse on February 08, 2015, 11:10:26 AM
Yes, you and your ilk are assuming a lot of things surrounding intention and motivation in this incident, and have appointed yourselves judge,jury, and executioner in the process. As others have said here before; There is no proof surrounding motivation and intention. . .

We're talking about Williams here, not Limbaugh. That you do not see the difference between the two is an example of exactly why Williams' situation is such a travesty.

My POTUS? Don't you mean "OUR" POTUS?

That statement right there is exactly one of the root causes for the situation Williams finds himself in today.

You racists have been stirring the pot for just short of a decade now with your vitriol, to the point where it is now infecting not just politics, but the very fabric of this nation. The level of accountability and punishment, for even the slightest transgressions, has gone off the scale of acceptability and well into the absurd, forcing the bleating sheep amongst the population to steadfastly hold onto the us verses them perspective in all things public and private.

That you can rationalize the whole thing by pointing to one man as the singular cause of the situation is beyond absurdity.  :spooked:

Moreover, taking a WiKi posting as valid and truthful information, and using it to support your insidious position on Williams is a primary example of the laziness of you and your ilk. You take spoon fed information designed to evoke an emotional response from you as the unvarnished truth, then support it with even more conjecture without even a modicum of effort to look any further; focusing solely upon finding only that information that will support your position without regard to vetting of all available information prior to arriving at a decision or position on the matter.

One day each one of you will be subjected to the result of exactly the same methodology, and I dare say when it threatens your livelihood and family, you will be howling to the heavens about the unfairness of it all and about how you were wronged.  And I say this because as we all know, excrement runs downhill; and the standards once reserved for politicians and political candidates are now being used as the measure for an increasingly larger portion of humanity. One day it will be your turn. Perhaps even for something you posted herein.  :yes:

So doesn't that make the dems racist over what the said and did to Condi, Thomas, and some others who were in the Bush administration. Even Powell was a target before he defected. They were personal attacks not just a disagreement in policy. This racist crap is getting real old and is definitely a dem/lib talking point.

Quote from: me on February 08, 2015, 12:49:40 PM
So doesn't that make the dems racist over what the said and did to Condi, Thomas, and some others who were in the Bush administration. Even Powell was a target before he defected. They were personal attacks not just a disagreement in policy. This racist crap is getting real old and is definitely a dem/lib talking point.

What did the 'Dems' say and do to Condi, Thomas, et al?  No generalizations, be specific.

Quote from: me on February 07, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
Oh yea, like NPR isn't biased.

Perhaps you should research it before you set off flapping your toothless gums about yet another subject about which you know nothing.  There is bias in all things but NPR is arguably the least biased among all news outlets.

Here are some examples from Robert Frost, an engineer at NASA:

Interviews/comments provided by Think Tank pundits

Every news outlet relies on expert commentators from think tanks to provide comments or to be interviewed.  Those think tanks include organizations such as American Enterprise, The Brookings Institute, and the Heritage Foundation.  A study in 2005 counted the number of commentators from conservative-leaning think tanks and the number of commentators from liberal-leaning think tanks.  The tally came to 249 conservatives and 141 liberals.  That means that 63.8% of the commentators from think tanks were conservatives.  So, NPR clearly is not trying to prevent conservative viewpoints from reaching its audience.

Stories about the Obama Administration

Pew did a study and found that 52% of stories on the administration were neutral, compared to a 40% average for the media in general.  28% of stories about the administration were positive, compared to 37% for the media in general.  So, NPR clearly is not trying to be the voice of the current Democrat administration.

Democrat and Republican Voices on the Fiscal Cliff Story

Another study looked at the audio clips played between Nov. 7 and Dec. 6 2012, concerning the Fiscal Cliff news story.  The count came to 94 Republican voices and 77 Democrat voices.  That means 54.9% of the audio clips of politicians providing their insight on the fiscal cliff came from Republicans.  So, NPR clearly is not trying to prevent conservative viewpoints from reaching its audience.

The Audience Makeup

The Wall Street Journal reported on surveys by Gfk MRI that measured political leanings of NPR's weekly audience:

(http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d2b742e13da66b34f2578799e0fff079?convert_to_webp=true)

I wonder if any other US news outlet has such an even distribution?

The one place that analysts have detected a liberal bias is in the range of stories covered - specifically, NPR covers stories that tend to be of more interest to people that describe themselves as center-left to left than center-right to right.  For example, 31% of NPR's stories are about international news - whereas for US commercial radio, 3% of the news stories are about international news. 

How NPR covers these stories does not demonstrate a bias, but the fact that they are covering them is deemed a bias, by some.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 11:45:24 AM
I work with some the most intelligent people in this state. Some of the top entrepreneurs, businessmen, architects, engineers, sales reps and nearly all of them are right wing minded people, so say whatever it takes to make you feel good about things, I know for a fact I am in good company.

LMFAO!  Now who's trying to inflate himself?  You should spread this shit to people who don't know where you work or what you do.

Quote from: Y on February 08, 2015, 01:24:46 PM
What did the 'Dems' say and do to Condi, Thomas, et al?  No generalizations, be specific.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2484587/posts

Quote from: Y on February 08, 2015, 01:24:46 PM
What did the 'Dems' say and do to Condi, Thomas, et al?  No generalizations, be specific.

I hope you planned for this to be a rhetorical question because she will ignore the question rather than admit that she's full of shit.

Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2015, 02:25:54 PM
I hope you planned for this to be a rhetorical question because she will ignore the question rather than admit that she's full of shit.

Or just plain provide validation of that fact. . .  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Quote from: me on February 08, 2015, 02:22:57 PM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2484587/posts

Quote from: Palehorse on February 08, 2015, 11:10:26 AM
Moreover, taking a WiKi posting as valid and truthful information, and using it to support your insidious position on Williams is a primary example of the laziness of you and your ilk. You take spoon fed information designed to evoke an emotional response from you as the unvarnished truth, then support it with even more conjecture without even a modicum of effort to look any further; focusing solely upon finding only that information that will support your position without regard to vetting of all available information prior to arriving at a decision or position on the matter.

Exactly!  Conservatives tend to be conclusion driven, starting with some assumption, often based on a religious interpretation initially, and then seek the information that they feel proves their point. Liberals at least try for some more objectivity than that because they tend to be better educated which teaches them to be less subjective.

Quote from: Palehorse on February 08, 2015, 02:29:04 PM
Or just plain provide validation of that fact. . .  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

LOL!  Wow...   :rolleyes:

Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2015, 02:35:58 PM
LOL!  Wow...   :rolleyes:

:yes: :icon_twisted: :yes:

You just cannot make this crap up!  :biggrin:

Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2015, 02:19:08 PM
LMFAO!  Now who's trying to inflate himself?  You should spread this shit to people who don't know where you work or what you do.

Apparently you don't so don't lie and pretend you do....but then again I don't give a shit what you think.  I'm still laughing my ass off on how this whole thing is frying your ass off!   ;D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 05:02:20 PM
Apparently you don't so don't lie and pretend you do....but then again I don't give a shit what you think.  I'm still laughing my ass off on how this whole thing is frying your ass off!   ;D

Don't flatter yourself...why would it "fry my ass off" for you to prove you're stupid when I already knew that?

In all seriousness, I am laughing harder than I have in a long time!

It amazes me how mean you guys try to be!  I can care Less!  I will have NO ramifications from one single word I have ever written on here.  Nada, zilch!  It makes me happy to see ex waste so much time trying to defend someone who IS wrong!

Every time he throws one of his wanna be smart ass remarks, it only confirms that I am right and he is wrong!

Fun day!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 05:08:31 PM
...it only confirms that I am right and he is wrong!

(http://littlefun.org/uploads/524cf492e691b21460c442b6_736.jpg)

Case and point!   ;D ;)

"If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly."

     -- Danth's Law

:wink:

Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2015, 05:31:46 PM
"If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly."

     -- Danth's Law

:wink:

Like ya'll aren't insisting that you've won.  Give me a break.  :rolleyes:

Quote from: me on February 08, 2015, 05:35:23 PM
Like ya'll aren't insisting that you've won.  Give me a break.  :rolleyes:

I haven't seen anyone insisting anything save HH.  ;D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 05:23:23 PM
Case and point!   ;D ;)

If you're going to use an idiom to reward yourself for your delusions of intellectual superiority, you might want to actually know what the idiom is.  Just sayin'...

Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2015, 05:31:46 PM
"If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly."

     -- Danth's Law

:wink:

Not insisting anything just stating a fact!😁

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 05:57:39 PM
Not insisting anything just stating a fact!😁

Proverbs 16:18- Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

James 4:11- Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.


James 5:9 - Do not complain, brethren, against one another, so that you yourselves may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing right at the door.

 ;D

NBCUniversal CEO Steve Burke met with his embattled news anchor Brian Williams on Tuesday morning as a team of the network's own journalists continued to fact-check several of Williams' claims about past stories he covered. . .

They have broken out the proctoscope and intend to not only explore the colon, but the large and small intestines while they are in there.

He's gone. I'd bet on it.

Another career ruined by knee-jerk reactionary Marching Morons!  :rant:

Quote from: Palehorse on February 10, 2015, 06:48:12 PM
NBCUniversal CEO Steve Burke met with his embattled news anchor Brian Williams on Tuesday morning as a team of the network's own journalists continued to fact-check several of Williams' claims about past stories he covered. . .

They have broken out the proctoscope and intend to not only explore the colon, but the large and small intestines while they are in there.

He's gone. I'd bet on it.

Another career ruined by knee-jerk reactionary Marching Morons!  :rant:

  I hope not.   :yes:  But it is amazing how the liars of Fox News can keep their jobs after all the lies they tell every day.   :rant:

Lester Holt, Williams' bullpen for his periods of time off for some time now, has always been another anchor personality that I prefer.

I remember him from his days with WBBM TV in Chicago from around 1986 until I moved out to the basketball capital of the world; aka Hell to a hockey aficionado and b-ball hater since infancy.

Holt is a personable guy, who I had the great pleasure of meeting once during a "Taste of Chicago" event one summer. And I was quite pleasantly surprised to see him pop up on NBC's Network newscasts starting in the mid 2000's.

I do not, however, look for him to be the long term solution / replacement for Williams. He is in the same age bracket as Williams, and with the big push toward a more youthful anchor presence and the resultant ageism it is driving, I look for NBC to begin pandering to the T and A crowd with its future choices surrounding the nightly news.  :rant:

Quote from: The Troll on February 10, 2015, 06:57:12 PM

  I hope not.   :yes:  But it is amazing how the liars of Fox News can keep their jobs after all the lies they tell every day.   :rant:

It's amazing how that whole frigging network has not imploded over the drama and sensationalism their business plan incorporates into every single news cast and story.  :rant:

I have a colleague that is a professional camera operator and that has worked for years for ESPN covering NASCAR races and events. He just made the switch to FOX because the personality he has worked with made his hiring part of her deal with them.

I told him he was going home. He asked what I meant by that. I told him, Hell Jim, everybody knows your a damned liar so now you'll be amongst a network of like minded individuals!

He belly laughed over it. But these days you gotta go with the money. (I don't blame him).

Quote from: Palehorse on February 10, 2015, 07:05:26 PM
It's amazing how that whole frigging network has not imploded over the drama and sensationalism their business plan incorporates into every single news cast and story.  :rant:

I have a colleague that is a professional camera operator and that has worked for years for ESPN covering NASCAR races and events. He just made the switch to FOX because the personality he has worked with made his hiring part of her deal with them.

I told him he was going home. He asked what I meant by that. I told him, Hell Jim, everybody knows your a damned liar so now you'll be amongst a network of like minded individuals!

He belly laughed over it. But these days you gotta go with the money. (I don't blame him).

  He might have to swim in the bull shit at Fox, but he doesn't have to swallow it or believe it.   :yes: :biggrin:

Quote from: Palehorse on February 10, 2015, 07:01:12 PM
Lester Holt, Williams' bullpen for his periods of time off for some time now, has always been another anchor personality that I prefer.

I remember him from his days with WBBM TV in Chicago from around 1986 until I moved out to the basketball capital of the world; aka Hell to a hockey aficionado and b-ball hater since infancy.

Holt is a personable guy, who I had the great pleasure of meeting once during a "Taste of Chicago" event one summer. And I was quite pleasantly surprised to see him pop up on NBC's Network newscasts starting in the mid 2000's.

I do not, however, look for him to be the long term solution / replacement for Williams. He is in the same age bracket as Williams, and with the big push toward a more youthful anchor presence and the resultant ageism it is driving, I look for NBC to begin pandering to the T and A crowd with its future choices surrounding the nightly news.  :rant:

Six month suspension, without pay. (He's gone) With the investigation ongoing.

Watch for Williams to take over the Daily Show with Stewart setting up to exit. . . And Williams will flip off NBC and all of those that castigated him.

Well, it certainly is looking increasingly bad for Brian Williams, despite which side you may be on regarding this issue.  There are more 'embellishments' that have come to light in NBC's investigation. 

On May 3, 2011, just two days after the daring U.S. Navy SEAL Team 6 raid that killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, Williams said on his NBC News show, "Now, people might be hearing about SEAL Team 6. I happen to have the great honor of flying into Baghdad with them at the start of the war."

^^  This is now being called into question as well.  See below.

When asked about this claim, a Special Operations Command spokesman Ken McGraw told CNN: "We do not embed journalists with that unit or any other unit that conducts counterterrorism missions. Bottom line -- no."

Could Williams have simply hitched a ride into Iraq with SEAL Team 6 outside of the formal embedding process? This seems quite unlikely. A SEAL officer told CNN, "That early in the conflict, there were only missions taking place, not bouncing between outstations."

________________________________

Williams also claimed on the David Letterman show, that he had received a piece of the fuselage of the downed Black Hawk helicopter from the Bin Laden raid.

"About six weeks after the Bin Laden raid, I got a white envelope and in it was a thank-you note, unsigned. And in it was a piece of the fuselage of the blown-up Black Hawk in that courtyard. Sent to me by one of my friends."

.....

But what makes Williams claim that he was given a piece of the helicopter that went down at the compound in Abbottabad where bin Laden was living even more implausible is what happened the night of the raid.

Members of SEAL Team 6 were flying in "stealth" helicopters that radar can't detect. One of those helicopters crashed at bin Laden's compound in the first minute or so of the raid.

After the helicopter crashed, the SEALs killed both of bin Laden's bodyguards, his son and bin Laden. They then went around the compound picking up bin Laden's computer hard drives and documents.

What else has NBC News dug up on Williams?

All of this took about 30 minutes. By now there was great anxiety that Pakistani army units or others unknown would arrive at the scene, and there might be a firefight. The SEALs decided to leave as soon as possible.

The SEALs set explosives on the downed helicopter to blow it up so that its stealth technology would not fall into the wrong hands.

They detonated a massive charge inside the downed helicopter and immediately departed the scene. If Williams' story is true, then during all this intense drama one of the SEALs took the time to pick up a piece of the damaged helicopter fuselage that he would later send to his favorite news anchor.

Full article (http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/13/opinion/bergen-brian-williams-seal-team-six/index.html)

I was originally a supporter of Williams during all of this, but it seems increasingly likely that there is a pattern of embellishment at the least, and flat out lying at the worst.

I'm starting to think that there's no way in hell he ever sits in the anchor chair at NBC news again.

Quote from: Locutus on February 13, 2015, 03:08:46 PM
I was originally a supporter of Williams during all of this, but it seems increasingly likely that there is a pattern of embellishment at the least, and flat out lying at the worst.

I'm starting to think that there's no way in hell he ever sits in the anchor chair at NBC news again.

You may be right about his job, but I still hate to see him taken down like this. I've lived long enough, and dealt with enough people in my jobs, to know that people lie, some more than others.

Take me, for example, when I had to take a lie detector test for my job. Had to admit I'd done some fibbing.  I was asked if I had ever lied, and I said yes. When asked for examples, I said I lied to my parents about petty stuff, nothing bad, and lied for different bosses. Example, when he/she didn't want to see someone, I made up a lie that suited the person/situation. I passed the test.  :laugh:

Our memories are not always correct.  Here's one personal example: my first real job was as part time medical secretary while taking college classes.  I had two bosses, the senior physician, and a younger man, maybe in his early 40s, married with 5 children. One day the younger and I were in the reading room, standing fairly close together while chatting, when he got a funny look in his eyes and moved towards me. I knew I was going to be kissed, so stepped back quickly, looked away, then excused myself and left the room. Not long after that he accepted a job in Massachusetts and I married and we moved to Northern Virginia.

Fast forward about 5 years. I saw in the Bluefield Daily Telegraph that his oldest son had died, so sent him a card. He wrote back and thanked me and said he would be coming to the D.C. area in a few months, so how about meeting for lunch? I said yes. I met him at the airport, and we went somewhere to eat. And while we were sitting there, he looked at me and said, "Do you remember when I kissed you?"  I didn't say anything at first, just looked at him, then smiled just a little bit and said, "Yes, I remember that day." We finished lunch, he went to his conference and back to Boston, and I never saw him again.

;D

Quote from: Locutus on February 13, 2015, 03:08:46 PM
I was originally a supporter of Williams during all of this, but it seems increasingly likely that there is a pattern of embellishment at the least, and flat out lying at the worst.

I'm starting to think that there's no way in hell he ever sits in the anchor chair at NBC news again.

OK hank tried to tell ya!

Ole' Duke has told a few in his time fer sure.  Most of  'em I have forgotten but the ones I remember the most are the ones I told meself. (that's the truth)
;)
Best regards,
Duke ( a legend in the makin') Jupiter

ps Happy Valentines Day

The silver lining is that he has secured a bright future for himself at Fox news. At least they get paid to embellish. :)

 :rolleyes:

Always look for the silver lining, me. :yes:

The bit when the ticker is at 4:00 is spot on! (http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/snl40-weekend-update-with-tina-fey-amy-poehler-and-jane-curtin/2847149?onid=148621#vc148621=1)  :biggrin:

Fox should be shut down entirely!

Just throwing this out there...the ratings for 2014

Total Viewers
Fox News             1.779 million (even)
MSNBC                   600,000     (down 8%)
CNN                         528,000      (down 8%)
HLN                         337,000      (down 16%)

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 16, 2015, 12:55:35 PM
Just throwing this out there...the ratings for 2014

Total Viewers
Fox News             1.779 million (even)
MSNBC                   600,000     (down 8%)
CNN                         528,000      (down 8%)
HLN                         337,000      (down 16%)

All that proves is that stupid people breed more.  We already knew that.

Quote from: Exterminator on February 16, 2015, 01:06:26 PM
All that proves is that stupid people breed more.  We already knew that.

That explains the last two POTUS elections..... :yes:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 16, 2015, 01:23:32 PM
That explains the last two POTUS elections..... :yes:

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.   :biggrin:

Quote from: Exterminator on February 16, 2015, 01:32:26 PM
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.   :biggrin:

I just had to go to google image after I read that!! :biggrin:

(https://dawn4dinosaurs.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/blind-squirrel.jpg?w=614)

 :biggrin:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 16, 2015, 12:55:35 PM
Just throwing this out there...the ratings for 2014

Total Viewers
Fox News             1.779 million (even)
MSNBC                   600,000     (down 8%)
CNN                         528,000      (down 8%)
HLN                         337,000      (down 16%)

I think all 1.779 million of those viewers of their lies should also be required to resign their positions and have their internet access removed for life. On top of FOX Network being shut down entirely!

Could it be that they are the ones that caught on to the lie that dems/libs are spreading about them and realize they are getting real news not the candy coated interviews and crap that the lame stream media is putting out?

Quote from: me on February 16, 2015, 09:18:14 PM
Could it be that they are the ones that caught on to the lie that dems/libs are spreading about them and realize they are getting real news not the candy coated interviews and crap that the lame stream media is putting out?

No; they're just morons.

Rupert Murdoch has come right out and publicly stated that he manipulates the news to feed his agenda.  Which part of that is difficult for you to grasp?

Quote from: Palehorse on February 16, 2015, 05:31:27 PM
I think all 1.779 million of those viewers of their lies should also be required to resign their positions and have their internet access removed for life. On top of FOX Network being shut down entirely!

That would be unconstitutional, first of all.  Something the left seems to not mind doing when it benefits them.  If it was so bad, the people wouldn't feed into it, and it would go away like Brian Williams and MSNBC.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 17, 2015, 08:46:03 AM
That would be unconstitutional, first of all.  Something the left seems to not mind doing when it benefits them.  If it was so bad, the people wouldn't feed into it, and it would go away like Brian Williams and MSNBC.

  Henry, you Republicans think that the only people that gets to eat at the table and breed are you christian assholes.   :rant:

Quote from: The Troll on February 17, 2015, 01:24:41 PM
  Henry, you Republicans think that the only people that gets to eat at the table and breed are you christian assholes.   :rant:

Do I parade my Christianity around here?  NO!  What the fuck are you talking about?  Give me an example of what you are saying, because I just think you are so used to blowing off, I don't think you really know what it is you stand for.  How, did I give you the impression that republicans think that we are the only people who eat at the table?

I do know for a fact, that FoxNews has more viewers than CNN, MSNBC and HLN  combined. 

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 17, 2015, 08:46:03 AM
That would be unconstitutional, first of all.  Something the left seems to not mind doing when it benefits them.  If it was so bad, the people wouldn't feed into it, and it would go away like Brian Williams and MSNBC.

Not necessarily true in an "at will or right to work" state. . .

Looks like O'Reilly is next! (http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/20/media/bill-oreilly-mother-jones/index.html?iid=HP_LN)

 :rolleyes:

Quote from: Exterminator on February 20, 2015, 11:00:21 AM
Looks like O'Reilly is next! (http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/20/media/bill-oreilly-mother-jones/index.html?iid=HP_LN)

:yes:

Before they're done they'll be digging up Cronkite!  :yes:

Quote from: Exterminator on February 20, 2015, 11:00:21 AM
Looks like O'Reilly is next! (http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/20/media/bill-oreilly-mother-jones/index.html?iid=HP_LN)

Bill O'Reilly lies every time he's on the air.  This is just one more on a long list.  :roll eyes:

Quote from: Locutus on February 20, 2015, 05:33:27 PM
Bill O'Reilly lies every time he's on the air.  This is just one more on a long list.  :roll eyes:

You really need to quit believing everything you hear.  :wink:

Quote from: me on February 20, 2015, 05:39:27 PM
You really need to quit believing everything you hear.  :wink:

Unlike you, I research things on my own.  Bill O'Reilly is a proven liar.  It's documented, captured on video in his own words, etc. 

Quote from: Locutus on February 20, 2015, 07:39:44 PM
Unlike you, I research things on my own.  Bill O'Reilly is a proven liar.  It's documented, captured on video in his own words, etc.

There is a difference between being mistaken about something, which he has been a few times, and admitting you were wrong, which I've seen him do, and flat out lying. Fox news did not rake Willliams over the coals for what he did but were very supportive of him. Also it was Stars and Stripes that broke the story and not Fox News like some people are saying.

Quote from: Locutus on February 20, 2015, 07:39:44 PM
Unlike you, I research things on my own.  Bill O'Reilly is a proven liar.  It's documented, captured on video in his own words, etc.

Here ya go Locutus
http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/02/20/bill-oreillys-talking-points-memo-22015-airing-tonight-8pm-et

Quote from: me on February 20, 2015, 05:39:27 PM
You really need to quit believing everything you hear.  :wink:

You should take your own advice. (http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/22/media/cbs-staffers-oreilly-argentina/index.html)

Quote from: Exterminator on February 22, 2015, 06:42:43 PM
You should take your own advice. (http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/22/media/cbs-staffers-oreilly-argentina/index.html)

Ya, I hear them saying what he "supposedly" said. Where's the proof? Ya better check out my link.

Quote from: me on February 23, 2015, 07:16:50 AM
Ya, I hear them saying what he "supposedly" said. Where's the proof? Ya better check out my link.

Really; your source is a network that admits to manipulating the news for their agenda defending one of their own is your source?  What a gullible sheep!  You'd better wake up!

Quote from: Exterminator on February 23, 2015, 07:32:39 AM
Really; your source is a network that admits to manipulating the news for their agenda defending one of their own is your source?  What a gullible sheep!  You'd better wake up!

That Mother Jones thing is a smear piece pure and simple. Go ahead and take their word for what he supposedly said rather than hear what he actually said but remember you are repeating a lie and you now own it.

Quote from: me on February 23, 2015, 09:00:32 AM
That Mother Jones thing is a smear piece pure and simple. Go ahead and take their word for what he supposedly said rather than hear what he actually said but remember you are repeating a lie and you now own it.

And the CNN piece in which virtually everyone else who was there, from not only the same network O'Reilly was working for at the time but others as well, agrees that his account of the events is not true...also a smear piece?  Is this another of your big conspiracies where everyone has gathered to attack O'Reilly's credibility even though they have absolutely nothing to gain by doing so?

And what he said is what he said...he has said it on air, he has written about it.

Not that you're well known around here for your respect for the truth anyway...   :rolleyes:

Quote from: Exterminator on February 23, 2015, 09:40:43 AM
And the CNN piece in which virtually everyone else who was there, from not only the same network O'Reilly was working for at the time but others as well, agrees that his account of the events is not true...also a smear piece?  Is this another of your big conspiracies where everyone has gathered to attack O'Reilly's credibility even though they have absolutely nothing to gain by doing so?

And what he said is what he said...he has said it on air, he has written about it.

Not that you're well known around here for your respect for the truth anyway...   :rolleyes:

That guy contradicted his own story about the gunfire so why should anyone believe him?

Quote from: me on February 23, 2015, 01:50:41 PM
That guy contradicted his own story about the gunfire so why should anyone believe him?

What guy?  Have you bothered to read what O'Reilly himself said or are you so hell bent on defending him that you really just don't care what's true?

Quote from: Exterminator on February 23, 2015, 02:30:52 PM
What guy?  Have you bothered to read what O'Reilly himself said or are you so hell bent on defending him that you really just don't care what's true?

Yes, I heard what he said and I also heard the "staffer" say he heard no gunfire working alongside O'Reilly and heard him change his story when confronted with the fact that the NY Times had said there was gunfire. Then he said gunfire over people's heads was different and didn't miss a beat.

Quote from: me on February 23, 2015, 04:29:52 PM
Yes, I heard what he said and I also heard the "staffer" say he heard no gunfire working alongside O'Reilly and heard him change his story when confronted with the fact that the NY Times had said there was gunfire. Then he said gunfire over people's heads was different and didn't miss a beat.

He lied. He needs to resign his position immediately!

http://www.mediaite.com/online/corn-and-engberg-claims-about-oreilly-seem-politically-personally-motivated/

http://deadline.com/2015/02/bill-oreilly-cbs-news-video-falklands-war-mother-jones-video-1201379792/

You keep commenting on these two people and ignoring the facts.  O'Reilly has, many times, claimed that he was in a combat zone, even inferring that he was actually in the Falklands when he was nowhere near the place.  Now, to cover up those lies, he is trying to say that the, "riot," which actual footage reveals is nothing more than an angry demonstration, (http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/from-the-archives-cbs-news-coverage-of-the-end-of-the-falklands-war/) qualifies as combat and supports his claims of having been in a war zone.  Forget the people involved and concentrate only what O'Reilly, himself, has said and watch the video and then tell me that you still think his statements are valid.

2001: O'Reilly wrote in his book, "The No Spin Zone: Confrontations With the Powerful and Famous in America," that his time covering war made him ready for anything. "You know that I am not easily shocked," he wrote. "I've reported on the ground in active war zones from El Salvador to the Falkland Islands, and in chaotic situations like the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles."

2004: In his syndicated column, O'Reilly recalled how he had "survived a combat situation in Argentina during the Falklands War." He was presumably referring to a protest he covered in Buenos Aires, but his reference to a "combat situation" could reasonably be interpreted as a "war zone."

2008: Seven years ago on the "O'Reilly Factor," the host invoked his experience "in the war zones" to taunt Bill Moyers, the veteran journalist with whom he's feuded for years. "By the way, I missed Moyers in the war zones of the Falkland conflict in Argentina, the Middle East and Northern Ireland," O'Reilly said. "I looked for Bill, but I didn't see him."

2013: During an interview on his Fox News show, O'Reilly once again described the protest but said it took place "in a war zone in Argentina, in the Falklands."

"Because I was in a situation one time, in a war zone in Argentina, in the Falklands, where my photographer got run down and then hit his head and was bleeding from the ear on the concrete," O'Reilly told his guest.

O'Reilly is a political commentator, NOT the head anchor and chief editor of the NBC Nightly News!

If you don't like him, don't watch him.  You are comparing apples to oranges.  It is just sour grapes by liberals.

Quote from: Exterminator on February 24, 2015, 08:44:11 AM
You keep commenting on these two people and ignoring the facts.  O'Reilly has, many times, claimed that he was in a combat zone, even inferring that he was actually in the Falklands when he was nowhere near the place.  Now, to cover up those lies, he is trying to say that the, "riot," which actual footage reveals is nothing more than an angry demonstration, (http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/from-the-archives-cbs-news-coverage-of-the-end-of-the-falklands-war/) qualifies as combat and supports his claims of having been in a war zone.  Forget the people involved and concentrate only what O'Reilly, himself, has said and watch the video and then tell me that you still think his statements are valid.

2001: O'Reilly wrote in his book, "The No Spin Zone: Confrontations With the Powerful and Famous in America," that his time covering war made him ready for anything. "You know that I am not easily shocked," he wrote. "I've reported on the ground in active war zones from El Salvador to the Falkland Islands, and in chaotic situations like the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles."

2004: In his syndicated column, O'Reilly recalled how he had "survived a combat situation in Argentina during the Falklands War." He was presumably referring to a protest he covered in Buenos Aires, but his reference to a "combat situation" could reasonably be interpreted as a "war zone."

2008: Seven years ago on the "O'Reilly Factor," the host invoked his experience "in the war zones" to taunt Bill Moyers, the veteran journalist with whom he's feuded for years. "By the way, I missed Moyers in the war zones of the Falkland conflict in Argentina, the Middle East and Northern Ireland," O'Reilly said. "I looked for Bill, but I didn't see him."

2013: During an interview on his Fox News show, O'Reilly once again described the protest but said it took place "in a war zone in Argentina, in the Falklands."

"Because I was in a situation one time, in a war zone in Argentina, in the Falklands, where my photographer got run down and then hit his head and was bleeding from the ear on the concrete," O'Reilly told his guest.

Didn't check out my links did ya? I think it may be a good idea if ya do.  :wink:

Quote from: me on February 23, 2015, 08:36:52 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/corn-and-engberg-claims-about-oreilly-seem-politically-personally-motivated/

http://deadline.com/2015/02/bill-oreilly-cbs-news-video-falklands-war-mother-jones-video-1201379792/

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2015, 10:03:44 AM
O'Reilly is a political commentator, NOT the head anchor and chief editor of the NBC Nightly News!

If you don't like him, don't watch him.  You are comparing apples to oranges.  It is just sour grapes by liberals.

Yeah. . . I see how it works . . .  :rolleyes:

Same theory surrounding faux news too!

Quote from: Palehorse on February 24, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
Yeah. . . I see how it works . . .  :rolleyes:

Same theory surrounding faux news too!

What is your point?  I really see this as sour grapes, plain and simple.

Quote from: Palehorse on February 24, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
Yeah. . . I see how it works . . .  :rolleyes:

Same theory surrounding faux news too!

What is your point?  I really see this as sour grapes, plain and simple.

  I still like Brian and I want him back.  I think one little mistake shouldn't take his job away.  O'Reily, Hannity  and Rush Limbaugh can lie every day and still keep their lying jobs.   :rant:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2015, 10:03:44 AM
O'Reilly is a political commentator, NOT the head anchor and chief editor of the NBC Nightly News!

If you don't like him, don't watch him.  You are comparing apples to oranges.  It is just sour grapes by liberals.

He's a fucking liar and you're a hypocrite.

Quote from: Exterminator on February 24, 2015, 08:44:11 AM
You keep commenting on these two people and ignoring the facts.  O'Reilly has, many times, claimed that he was in a combat zone, even inferring that he was actually in the Falklands when he was nowhere near the place.  Now, to cover up those lies, he is trying to say that the, "riot," which actual footage reveals is nothing more than an angry demonstration, (http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/from-the-archives-cbs-news-coverage-of-the-end-of-the-falklands-war/) qualifies as combat and supports his claims of having been in a war zone.  Forget the people involved and concentrate only what O'Reilly, himself, has said and watch the video and then tell me that you still think his statements are valid.

2001: O'Reilly wrote in his book, "The No Spin Zone: Confrontations With the Powerful and Famous in America," that his time covering war made him ready for anything. "You know that I am not easily shocked," he wrote. "I've reported on the ground in active war zones from El Salvador to the Falkland Islands, and in chaotic situations like the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles."

2004: In his syndicated column, O'Reilly recalled how he had "survived a combat situation in Argentina during the Falklands War." He was presumably referring to a protest he covered in Buenos Aires, but his reference to a "combat situation" could reasonably be interpreted as a "war zone."

2008: Seven years ago on the "O'Reilly Factor," the host invoked his experience "in the war zones" to taunt Bill Moyers, the veteran journalist with whom he's feuded for years. "By the way, I missed Moyers in the war zones of the Falkland conflict in Argentina, the Middle East and Northern Ireland," O'Reilly said. "I looked for Bill, but I didn't see him."

2013: During an interview on his Fox News show, O'Reilly once again described the protest but said it took place "in a war zone in Argentina, in the Falklands."

"Because I was in a situation one time, in a war zone in Argentina, in the Falklands, where my photographer got run down and then hit his head and was bleeding from the ear on the concrete," O'Reilly told his guest.

Quote from: me on February 24, 2015, 10:27:19 AM
Didn't check out my links did ya? I think it may be a good idea if ya do.  :wink:

Quote from: me on February 23, 2015, 08:36:52 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/corn-and-engberg-claims-about-oreilly-seem-politically-personally-motivated/

http://deadline.com/2015/02/bill-oreilly-cbs-news-video-falklands-war-mother-jones-video-1201379792/

http://www.mediaite.com/online/corn-and-engberg-claims-about-oreilly-seem-politically-personally-motivated/
(http://www.mediaite.com/online/corn-and-engberg-claims-about-oreilly-seem-politically-personally-motivated/)

A funny comment from your link ....

"If you're very, very stupid, how can you possibly realize that you're
very, very stupid? You'd have to be relatively intelligent to realize
how stupid you are. This explains almost the entirety of Fox News."
--John Cleese



http://deadline.com/2015/02/bill-oreilly-cbs-news-video-falklands-war-mother-jones-video-1201379792/
(http://deadline.com/2015/02/bill-oreilly-cbs-news-video-falklands-war-mother-jones-video-1201379792/)
And a telling quote from your second one ...

Meanwhile, the author of that New York Times article O'Reilly read from on Mediabuzz fired back at O'Reilly on Facebook, for leaving out one part of a sentence about a police officer who he'd reported fired five shots — the "over the heads of" fleeing demonstrators part.

Quote from: me on February 24, 2015, 10:27:19 AM
Didn't check out my links did ya? I think it may be a good idea if ya do.  :wink:

I looked at your links; they change nothing from a factual perspective...nothing!

Quote from: Exterminator on February 24, 2015, 02:12:52 PM
He's a fucking liar and you're a hypocrite.

Blah, blah, blah!

Just remember ya'll if you keep repeating a lie you own it.

QuoteCorn and Engberg Claims About O'Reilly Both Politically, Personally Motivated
by Joe Concha | 10:16 am, February 22nd, 2015 1400

Upon watching the Bill O'Reilly controversy (or lack thereof) unfold over the past few days, it's hard not to keep going back to the same theme:

Motive.

As in: Is the Mother Jones story (or non-story) one in search of simple truth or is it a hit piece politically or personally motivated by writer David Corn? The "liberal Mother Jones versus conservative Fox News" theme could suffice as motive on the surface, but this onion seems to have a few more layers to it, and it stinks.

As few are noting, Mr. Corn worked for Fox News as a contributor from 2001-2008. His career would end abruptly there, as the network decided not to renew his contract (which is a nice way of firing someone). Corn would go on to make an impact in the 2012 presidential election after receiving that infamous tape of Mitt Romney's "47 percent" comments. It's still hilarious to see all the acclaim Corn got for basically signing for a FedEx package and uploading a tape to the Mother Jones website. He even won a Polk Award for the effort, even though it was Jimmy Carter's grandson who introduced the guy who actually recorded Romney (Scott Prouty) with Corn. Talk about a silver platter, but that never stops Corn from still mentioning it as if he's trying to beat some kind of quota when appearing on MSNBC, where he serves as a contributor.

So when we look at why Corn would refute O'Reilly's account of his time working for CBS in Argentina as a reporter covering the Falklands War in 1982, keep all of that in mind in terms of personal and political motivation. As for finding fault in O'Reilly's account, this appears to be a case of semantics. Note: O'Reilly never said he was on the Falkland Islands, as the Corn piece claims — he's been consistent in stating he was always in Argentina (Buenos Aires) at the time.

Skeptics — largely from left-leaning blogs — charge that Argentina wasn't part of the war zone, therefore making O'Reilly a liar for stating he was. But protests there following the war did turn violent. In an internal CBS memo to then-Buenos Aires bureau chief Larry Doyle, the network characterized those protests as riots:

    Doyle, O'Reilly didn't have the time last night but would like to say many thanks for the riot piece last night. WCBS-TV and WCAU-TV both took the entire piece, instead of stripping it for pix. They called to say thanks for a fine piece. Thanks again. Your piece made the late feed, a winner last night.

At the time, as reported in the New York Times, Argentine soldiers fired into crowds. Protesters stormed the presidential palace. A CBS photographer got caught in the chaos and O'Reilly — citing blood coming from his ear and being injured — "dragged him out of there." Add it all up, O'Reilly was covering the Falklands War from Argentina (as almost all reporters were), and while the riot that occurred after Argentina surrendered wasn't technically in the war zone, it certainly had the elements of one during that particular riot. Again, semantics.

And for Corn to write that O'Reilly claimed to be on the Falklands is patently dishonest, which may explain why major media –outside of Fox's rival CNN and its media critic Brian Stelter — has largely dismissed this story as the nothing-burger it is.

Late yesterday, O'Reilly's former CBS colleague Eric Engberg made the claim that O'Reilly might as well been at a spring break destination by saying, "It was not a war zone or even close. It was an 'expense account zone.'"

Of course, very few are exploring motive here when it comes to Engberg either. For those keeping score at home, this is a very easy dot to connect as to why Engberg — who called O'Reilly a "bloviator" in his opening sentence of his "revelation" — suddenly felt compelled to come forward.

As many of you know, Bernie Goldberg is a Fox News Contributor — primarily dissecting stories focusing on media on The O'Reilly Factor and Kelly File. Goldberg also worked for CBS News as an award-winning reporter for 28 years, where he complained about internal liberal bias to upper management within the organization with no success.

Here's what happened after Goldberg decided to share his perspective with the general public per a 2002 book review of Goldberg's best-selling Bias by the Houston Objectivism Society's Warren Ross:

    In 1996, he (Goldberg) "went public," publishing an Op Ed in the Wall Street Journal accusing CBS of bias and fully critiquing an Eric Engberg story supposedly providing a "reality check" on Steve Forbes' flat tax proposal. Despite the story's billing as "news," Goldberg noted that it used all the following techniques of distortion: loaded words ("scheme" and "elixir"), omission of anyone supporting Forbes' idea (though a number of prominent economists were available), omission of affiliation of "experts" opposing the idea, and snide characterization (Engberg called it a "wacky" proposal that should be tried first in Albania). Goldberg used this egregious example as a starting point to support a broader charge of left-wing bias at the networks, and to explain why the big three TV networks were losing viewers.

Engberg has complained for years about Goldberg singling him out. So what better way to get back at Goldberg and smear O'Reilly and Fox News in the process by disputing O'Reilly's claim about a riot that absolutely did happen and was even a lead story at the time on the CBS Evening News? Again, motives are worth bring into question. Engberg was invited on O'Reilly's show on Monday to debate the topic, but he predictably refused (he did have time to appear on Reliable Sources for 30 minutes on Sunday morning). After all, would be hard to win such a debate with things like internal CBS memos and video supporting the host of the program.

Here's the net-net of the Corn column: Come Tuesday, this story will be dead. Unlike Brian Williams — whom O'Reilly was actually more compassionate to than most during his downfall — the Factor host will not be suspended, reprimanded or even scratched by this non-troversy.

Welcome to the Hunger Games that the media has become in 2015: A polarized game of survival where media members are taking sides against each other.

And the general public yawns at the ridiculousness of it all.

Quote from: me on February 24, 2015, 04:47:50 PM
Just remember ya'll if you keep repeating a lie you own it.

If lies were money, you'd be rich.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2015, 01:19:56 PM
What is your point?  I really see this as sour grapes, plain and simple.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2015, 01:20:12 PM
What is your point?  I really see this as sour grapes, plain and simple.

You know what my point is; which is exactly why you asked the same question twice within seconds of each other. You're attempting to bait me into saying it just so you can slink off in a tizzy. . .

As God as my witness, I wasn't remotely trying to bait you!  I honestly don't understand what the big deal is, other than sour grapes.

It is clearly apples and oranges.

I can care less about O'Reilly or Brian Williams......they make their own beds, they gotta sleep in them.  I can promise you there will be no tizzy coming from me.  There are much bigger fish to fry other than these two yahoos.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2015, 05:28:18 PM
. . .There are much bigger fish to fry other than these two yahoos.

Agreed. . . (And I absolutely am green with envy over the fact you are presently in an area where the fish are biting).  :biggrin:

Quote from: Palehorse on February 24, 2015, 05:34:06 PM
Agreed. . . (And I absolutely am green with envy over the fact you are presently in an area where the fish are biting).  :biggrin:

Even though it is warm, it is now raining and dreary.....😣😣😣 and to boot, I am still am, kind of sort of working!  My wife has enjoyed some quite time.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2015, 05:37:14 PM
Even though it is warm, it is now raining and dreary.....😣😣😣 and to boot, I am still am, kind of sort of working!  My wife has enjoyed some quite time.

Well it could be worse. . . You could be here. The temp was -5 this morning, and while I slaved away it warmed to 26; but the wind kicked up and blowing snow has served to create really wonderful stretches along the backroads and open areas along the main thoroughfares, that are nothing but sheets of ice covered with blowing snow. . .

The low tonight is supposed to be 10 degrees, and back to negative 5 or lower on Wednesday / Thursday evenings. We'll have a heatwave on Friday night of ZERO.

Quote from: Bo D on February 24, 2015, 04:48:52 PM
If lies were money, you'd be rich.

Ain't that the damn truth!

More O'Reilly lies. (http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/25/media/bill-oreilly-jfk-george-de-mohrenschildt/index.html)

 :rolleyes:

2001: O'Reilly wrote in his book, "The No Spin Zone: Confrontations With the Powerful and Famous in America," that his time covering war made him ready for anything. "You know that I am not easily shocked," he wrote. "I've reported on the ground in active war zones from El Salvador to the Falkland Islands, and in chaotic situations like the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles."

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/20/media/bill-oreilly-falklands-war/index.html?iid=EL (http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/20/media/bill-oreilly-falklands-war/index.html?iid=EL)

'Nuff said!

Not surprising, although ironic none-the-less, to see the double standard blatantly on display in this case.  :yes:

Wow!

Quote from: Palehorse on February 25, 2015, 04:48:34 PM
Not surprising, although ironic none-the-less, to see the double standard blatantly on display in this case.  :yes:

Yep!

Is it fair to say that NBC was tougher on Brian Williams than Fox has been on Bill O'Reilly because NBC has higher standards?  :sneaky:


The following is from the February 27th Washington Post:

O'Reilly clarifies remarks about what he saw in Northern Ireland


Fox News pundit Bill O'Reilly has been under fire for statements about his experiences, but the network has stood by him. (Paul Morigi/Invision/AP)

By Paul Farhi February 27, 2015, at 7:18 PM

In his long and sometimes stormy career as a journalist and cable-news pundit, Bill O'Reilly has occasionally mentioned his exploits in conflict zones around the world. "I've been there," he once said. "That's really what separates me from most of these other bloviators. I bloviate, but I bloviate about stuff I've seen. They bloviate about stuff that they haven't."

O'Reilly has said he has reported from Northern Ireland, where the sectarian "Troubles" resulted in nearly 4,000 deaths and thousands of injuries over 30 years — before a peace settlement was reached in 1998.

In his 2013 book, "Keep It Pithy," the Fox News host recounted, "I've seen soldiers gun down unarmed civilians in Latin America, Irish terrorists kill and maim their fellow citizens in Belfast with bombs."

On another occasion, he said, "I've covered four wars," and ticked off El Salvador's civil war in the 1980s, the 1982 Falklands conflict, Northern Ireland and an unspecified conflict in Israel. "I've seen the best and the worst."

But in light of a week-long controversy surrounding other comments that O'Reilly has made about his career, those statements bear closer examination.

O'Reilly traveled to Northern Ireland in 1984 to research a book about the Troubles, according to Fox News. The book was never finished, and it's not clear whether he covered the conflict for any news organization. At the time, he was working for a Boston TV station, WCVB, but his then-boss, Philip S. Balboni, said that O'Reilly covered only local news and did commentary for the station.

O'Reilly didn't mention seeing any terrorist bombings in Northern Ireland during a radio interview with syndicated host Hugh Hewitt last week. Instead, he told a milder story: "We went on a raid in Divis Flats with the police. And it was a pretty intense situation. There was stuff being thrown, arrests being made, all of that."
"Were you in fear of physical harm?" Hewitt asked.

No, O'Reilly replied.

The long-since-demolished Divis Flats were infamous in western Belfast, occupied primarily by poor Catholic residents. The housing complex was considered a stronghold of the separatist Irish Republican Army and was the scene of many police raids during the decades of the Troubles.

Asked about O'Reilly's statements Friday, a Fox News spokesman said that O'Reilly was not an eyewitness to any bombings or injuries in Northern Ireland. Instead, he was shown photos of bombings by Protestant police officers.

The clarification is similar to one O'Reilly made in the wake of questions raised this week about his characterization of his experiences during the Salvadoran civil war.

The liberal watchdog group ­Media Matters for America found two occasions on which O'Reilly claimed to have seen the murder of four American nuns in El Salvador. "I've seen guys gun down nuns in El Salvador," he said on his radio program in 2005. On his Fox News program, "The O'Reilly Factor," he said in 2012, "I saw nuns get shot in the back of the head."

But O'Reilly arrived in El Salvador months after the brutal killings and could not have witnessed them, the group said.

O'Reilly said in a statement this week that he was describing photos of the murdered nuns, not the crimes themselves.

"While in El Salvador, reporters were shown horrendous images of violence that were never broadcast, including depictions of nuns who were murdered," he said in the statement.

O'Reilly said he brought up the El Salvador episode on his TV program in 2012 on the day of the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut in a discussion on evil. "I used the murdered nuns as an example of that evil," his statement said. "That's what I am referring to when I say 'I saw nuns get shot in the back of the head.' No one could possibly take that segment as reporting on El Salvador."

O'Reilly has spent the past eight days vigorously defending himself on a variety of statements that don't square with other eyewitness accounts. He has blasted and even threatened those who have called his comments into question, particularly Mother Jones magazine, which touched off the examination of his record with a story about his statements regarding his role in the aftermath of the Falklands conflict. The liberal magazine compared him with Brian Williams, the NBC News anchor who has been suspended for six months because of his exaggerated statements.

Fox News has stood by O'Reilly throughout the controversy, which appears to have bolstered his TV ratings. The network released figures Friday showing that his weekly audience grew by 11 percent compared with the same period last year.

A spokesman also reiterated the network's earlier statement of support for its star: "Bill O'Reilly has already addressed several claims leveled against him. This is nothing more than an orchestrated campaign by far-left advocates Mother Jones and Media Matters.
Responding to the unproven accusation du jour has become an exercise in futility. FOX News maintains its staunch support of O'Reilly, who is no stranger to calculated onslaughts."

Those who have worked with O'Reilly over the years attest to his diligence and integrity.
"I do not know a single instance where he conflated his background, stories, or sought to inflate his already obviously large sense of self," said Steve Cohen, who hired O'Reilly as a reporter at WCBS in New York in the early 1980s. Cohen, now news director at KUSI in San Diego, said: "I believe the current stories are a brew of invective created to defame him by left- leaning reporters. . . . Bill did not lie, did not conflate. Perhaps he bloviated a bit, to use his favorite word, but even that is of minor consequence."

Balboni, O'Reilly's boss in Boston and now chief executive and founder of the Global­Post news site, said: "I don't really know what to make of this [controversy]. There doesn't seem to be any real determinative evidence that he made things up. He does have a larger-than-life personality, but that goes with the territory. When you've had as much success as he's had, you have a larger-than-life personality."

Paul Farhi is The Washington Post's media reporter.

www.washingtonpost.com

Quote from: libby on March 01, 2015, 05:12:43 PM
Is it fair to say that NBC was tougher on Brian Williams than Fox has been on Bill O'Reilly because NBC has higher standards?  :sneaky:

Fox loves to lie to their viewers.  That's why they're okay with Bill O'Reilly doing what he did.   

What lengths are these people gonna go to to try to get rid of O'Reilly? This is reaching the point of ridiculous.

Quote from: Locutus on March 01, 2015, 06:53:25 PM
Fox loves to lie to their viewers.  That's why they're okay with Bill O'Reilly doing what he did.

And Fox viewers are ok with it because they're all liars themselves.

Let's see, if Fox and O'Reilly lie and O'Reilly said Obama' birth certificate was real I guess it must not be. I mean, if O'Reilly lies the certificate must be fake. Giuess all that other good stuff he says about Obama is a lie too and I, and a lot of other people, are correct to disagree with it.

Quote from: me on March 02, 2015, 09:56:02 AM
Let's see, if Fox and O'Reilly lie and O'Reilly said Obama' birth certificate was real I guess it must not be. I mean, if O'Reilly lies the certificate must be fake. Giuess all that other good stuff he says about Obama is a lie too and I, and a lot of other people, are correct to disagree with it.

You're the worst liar in this forum; you have no standing.   :rolleyes:

Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2015, 11:22:58 AM
You're the worst liar in this forum; you have no standing.   :rolleyes:

You are stating something for which you have no basis in fact here you realize.

Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2015, 11:22:58 AM
You're the worst liar in this forum; you have no standing.   :rolleyes:

Put on your big boy panties and listen to this. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-oreilly-tackles-myths-about-obama-and-separates-fact-from-fiction/

Quote from: me on March 02, 2015, 12:22:40 PM
You are stating something for which you have no basis in fact here you realize.

This entire forum is littered with your lies.  WTF?

Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2015, 01:06:26 PM
This entire forum is littered with your lies.  WTF?

Quote from: me on March 02, 2015, 12:31:57 PM
Put on your big boy panties and listen to this. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-oreilly-tackles-myths-about-obama-and-separates-fact-from-fiction/

Listen to the video Ex or you are guilty of what you accuse me of.

Quote from: me on March 02, 2015, 01:41:01 PM
Listen to the video Ex or you are guilty of what you accuse me of.

No one said everything O'Reilly says is a lie much in the same way no one said everything Brian Williams said is a lie.  Clearly, O'Reilly has stretched the truth a lot more and a lot further than Williams ever did yet you continue to defend him.  Why is that...birds of a feather?

Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2015, 02:04:41 PM
No one said everything O'Reilly says is a lie much in the same way no one said everything Brian Williams said is a lie.  Clearly, O'Reilly has stretched the truth a lot more and a lot further than Williams ever did yet you continue to defend him.  Why is that...birds of a feather?

You know, even when presented with the videos of what he said in context you still go along with that "we have to get him" bunch. It is strictly a hit job and when one thing doesn't work they dig up something else to twist and misrepresent. You're pathetic.

Quote from: me on March 02, 2015, 02:11:04 PM
You know, even when presented with the videos of what he said in context you still go along with that "we have to get him" bunch. It is strictly a hit job and when one thing doesn't work they dig up something else to twist and misrepresent. You're pathetic.

That is absolute bullshit.  He didn't say these things once...he said them over and over and over again and even put them in his book.  I guess we can always depend on one low-life fucking liar to defend another low-life fucking liar no matter what.

It is still apples and oranges.  One is an entertainer, the other the Chief Editor and Head News Anchor of NBC.  It is just sour grapes by the left, trying to demonize someone on the right.  Plain and simple.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2015, 02:31:05 PM
It is still apples and oranges.  One is an entertainer, the other the Chief Editor and Head News Anchor of NBC.  It is just sour grapes by the left, trying to demonize someone on the right.  Plain and simple.

Typical response from someone with no ethical compass.   :rolleyes:

Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2015, 02:28:17 PM
That is absolute bullshit.  He didn't say these things once...he said them over and over and over again and even put them in his book.  I guess we can always depend on one low-life fucking liar to defend another low-life fucking liar no matter what.

They are saying he put those things in his book just like they said he said things on his show and in interviews but when viewed or read in context it comes out entirely different. It's called twisting things to do a hit job on him period.

Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2015, 02:41:18 PM
Typical response from someone with no ethical compass.   :rolleyes:

Typical Bullshit answer from someone who is a hypocrite!

If this had been Chris Wallace or Bret Baier speaking like Williams, then I would agree, they should be fired.  Rachel Maddow pushes the envelope with LIES all the time.  So nobody watches here, they don't cry for her to be fired.

Quote from: me on March 02, 2015, 02:48:12 PM
They are saying he put those things in his book just like they said he said things on his show and in interviews but when viewed or read in context it comes out entirely different. It's called twisting things to do a hit job on him period.

That is absolute bullshit!  He said what he said...the only people twisting anything are him and his blind followers.  Bleat on, sheeple!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2015, 02:53:09 PM
Typical Bullshit answer from someone who is a hypocrite!

You've got a lot of gall calling anyone a hypocrite.

Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2015, 02:55:08 PM
You've got a lot of gall calling anyone a hypocrite.

not just anyone, just YOU.  It seems like it is the way we are supposed to talk.  I'm just following your cue.  If you have noticed, I don't call other people names.  I just respond to the way I am responded to.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2015, 03:13:33 PM
I'm just following your cue.

You're following the wrong cues.   :biggrin:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2015, 02:31:05 PM
It is still apples and oranges.  One is an entertainer, the other the Chief Editor and Head News Anchor of NBC.

Oh really!

What channel is Baba O'Reilly on...the Fox 'Entertainment' channel?   :rolleyes:

Or...the Fox NEWS channel?

It doesn't seem that 'entertainer' applies, now does it?  That's just the term you RW idjits use as cover for your 'Faux' News liars.   :wink:

Quote from: Y on March 02, 2015, 04:59:04 PM
Oh really!

What channel is Baba O'Reilly on...the Fox 'Entertainment' channel?   :rolleyes:

Or...the Fox NEWS channel?

It doesn't seem that 'entertainer' applies, now does it?  That's just the term you RW idjits use as cover for your 'Faux' News liars.   :wink:

He is on Fox News.  :razz:

Well, THAT one certainly went over your head, didn't it.   :yes:

:biggrin:

No it did not you were being a smart ass as usual. Did you not notice the smiley?

Wow. . .

He is on the Fox News channel as a commentator not a newscaster. He is neither the head of newscasting nor is he the editor of the newscasts.

Quote from: me on March 02, 2015, 05:36:37 PM
He is on the Fox News channel as a commentator not a newscaster. He is neither the head of newscasting nor is he the editor of the newscasts.

He is still a talking head that is supposed to be presenting the truth in reporting the news. He failed; epically. And he did so on a NEWS formatted program and within print format within his book.

How you guys are so willing to give this guy a pass, after calling for Brian Williams head over something NONE of those involved can remember with any level of clarity or accuracy, is astounding!  :spooked:

Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2015, 05:41:58 PM
He is still a talking head that is supposed to be presenting the truth in reporting the news. He failed; epically. And he did so on a NEWS formatted program and within print format within his book.

How you guys are so willing to give this guy a pass, after calling for Brian Williams head over something NONE of those involved can remember with any level of clarity or accuracy, is astounding!  :spooked:

I did not call him out on it nor did any other republican, tea party person, or conservative, it was the soldiers who were there with him who called him out. O'Reilly's program is an opinion program where both sides are given a chance to talk not just one. He comments on things going on at the first of the show he does not give a newscast. He called Bush out for things he thought were wrong just like he does Obama but Obama doesn't like to be disagreed with 'cause he is "special" so he goes after anyone who dares disagree where Bush took it like a man and didn't try to stifel any and all opposition.

Quote from: me on March 02, 2015, 05:51:27 PM
I did not call him out on it nor did any other republican, tea party person, or conservative, it was the soldiers who were there with him who called him out. O'Reilly's program is an opinion program where both sides are given a chance to talk not just one. He comments on things going on at the first of the show he does not give a newscast. He called Bush out for things he thought were wrong just like he does Obama but Obama doesn't like to be disagreed with 'cause he is "special" so he goes after anyone who dares disagree where Bush took it like a man and didn't try to stifel any and all opposition.

:rolleyes:

Wow. . .

A suggestion for ya'll.

Quote from: me on March 02, 2015, 06:00:41 PM
A suggestion for ya'll.

Seems like that's the source for O'Reilly's "facts"; among others. . .

Ironic that you posted it too!  :rotfl:

Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2015, 07:14:04 PM
Seems like that's the source for O'Reilly's "facts"; among others. . .

Ironic that you posted it too!  :rotfl:

What's funny is you guys repeating the things you're told by the media without actually checking things out. I believe the words that fit here are closed minded. (http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/christyROCKSS/Picture%20Captions/Misc/z78669135.gif) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/christyROCKSS/media/Picture%20Captions/Misc/z78669135.gif.html)

Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2015, 05:41:58 PM
He is still a talking head that is supposed to be presenting the truth in reporting the news. He failed; epically. And he did so on a NEWS formatted program and within print format within his book.

How you guys are so willing to give this guy a pass, after calling for Brian Williams head over something NONE of those involved can remember with any level of clarity or accuracy, is astounding!  :spooked:

Its simple, don't watch him.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2015, 09:13:17 PM
Its simple, don't watch him.

Not much danger of that happening anyway. I don't watch Faux News. I demand a higher level of accuracy and accountability from my news sources.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2015, 09:13:17 PM
Its simple, don't watch him.

We could have said the same thing when you were calling for Williams' nuts on a platter.

Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2015, 08:56:02 AM
We could have said the same thing when you were calling for Williams' nuts on a platter.

Show me where we called for that. Show me where anyone on Fox News called for that. I don't want "they said" I want video proof where the person said it.

Quote from: me on March 03, 2015, 09:35:35 AM
Show me where we called for that. Show me where anyone on Fox News called for that. I don't want "they said" I want video proof where the person said it.

You should go back and read some of Henry's vitriol on this thread.

Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2015, 08:56:02 AM
We could have said the same thing when you were calling for Williams' nuts on a platter.

And I don't watch him.  I really could care less if they fired him or not.  I just think NBC, should care about integrity of the NEWS.  The O'Reilly factor is NOT the news.  It is his opinion hour.  Everybody knows this.  You go there to hear his opinion of the news.  I have my opinion on Williams.  Why does it bother you so much that I didn't like Williams?

Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2015, 10:20:41 AM
You should go back and read some of Henry's vitriol on this thread.

Okay, do that.  It won't be nearly as bad as things you said.  Go ahead...do it!  :yes:

So the verdict is in:

Williams is out and being sent to MSNBC to do penance and have his career whither away to nothing.

Lester Holt is his replacement. I like Lester. I watched him as a rookie reporter in the Chicago market until he left. He turned up on A & E, then Dateline once in awhile, and now he is sitting in the big seat himself starting Monday.

I knew this would happen.

I heard some of the interview where Williams admitted his lying and owned his mistake.  I now have regained a ton of respect for him by his response.  That is exactly what needed to be done.  People make poor decisions, but how they overcome those decisions is big.  I now hope for the best for him and I think he will do okay on the long run.