This one at an elementary school (k-4) in Connecticut.
Reports are all over the map, but place the death toll at 20-27; 10-18 of them children.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14/shooting-reported-at-connecticut-elementary-school/?hpt=hp_t1 (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14/shooting-reported-at-connecticut-elementary-school/?hpt=hp_t1)
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/us/connecticut-school-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/us/connecticut-school-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
Shooter was 24 years old, armed with 4 weapons and wearing a "bullet-proof" vest. . .
I know this news has caused my heart to sink into my chest, to were it is hard to breath, when I think about it.
At least 10 children killed. Sick individual.
Now saying 27 dead. 18 children.
Quote from: Locutus on December 14, 2012, 01:57:24 PM
At least 10 children killed. Sick individual.
The Hartford Courant Staff
1:53 p.m. EST, December 14, 2012
NEWTOWN—
Twenty-seven people, including
18 children, have been killed in a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, according to the Associated Press.
:no:
I withdraw from the world. A sick place.
I wonder what would prompt a 24 year old to do something like this.
Quote from: Locutus on December 14, 2012, 02:06:24 PM
I wonder what would prompt a 24 year old to do something like this.
I heard a 20-year old. I know they are still putting some of the pieces together.....I think a case for teachers, who are willing, should be able to pack heat...perhaps some could have been saved.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 14, 2012, 02:09:39 PM
I heard a 20-year old. I know they are still putting some of the pieces together.....I think a case for teachers, who are willing, should be able to pack heat...perhaps some could have been saved.
Yes, it's being reported as. 20-year old who had some ties to the school.
I now hear a second man has been taken into custody
Shooter identified as Ryan Lanza and his younger brother is being questioned.
:eek: I need to spend some serious time in my treehouse. I imagined it into existence when I was a girl living in a very small house with my parents and 4 sisters and sometimes a cousin or two. All I had to do was close my eyes and there I was -- in my own private place high in a tree on the edge of a field, listening to the sound of rain, shutting out the rest of the world.
Second crime scene in the town. An adult is dead there.
Two more children have died at the hospital. Now 20 dead children.
They (news) are confusing the two brothers; one suspected of being compliant in the shooting and the other being the shooter. I heard (unconfirmed) that the mother was a teacher at the school and she is the body discovered at the shooters residence.
And for the record, this is breaking my heart in two. 20 families lost a child today, and 20 lives that this morning held the promise, hopes, and dreams of a long future were snuffed just a few hours later.
I hate the world this day.
A horrible thing, my heart goes out to the families of the ones who were killed. I can't imagine why anyone would do that.
That is so sad. I had such a good day and then to find out something like this happened makes me want to cry. :'( My heart goes out to the friends and families of those involved.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 14, 2012, 07:06:27 PM
And for the record, this is breaking my heart in two. 20 families lost a child today, and 20 lives that this morning held the promise, hopes, and dreams of a long future were snuffed just a few hours later.
I hate the world this day.
yet another thing we have in common, despite many that we don't..........my heart honestly aches....and not that there is ever a "good" time for such a tragedy....but it being this close to Christmas, when these beautiful young children are so excited about the holiday season...these families will have to deal with a funeral.
The first thing I did this evening was hug my 12 year old twins.......we spent a long time this evening talking about it.
ironically, - A knife-wielding man slashed 22 children and an adult at an elementary school in central China.....our whole world has gone mad! :mad:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 14, 2012, 08:28:10 PM
ironically, - A knife-wielding man slashed 22 children and an adult at an elementary school in central China.....our whole world has gone mad! :mad:
I agree all of the mass killing are terrible. Men, women and children. But and it is a big but, I think the new media is causing a lot of it. :yes:
Since the shooting took place today, on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC has had over 28 hours of straight news coverage on this shooting. Milking it for every bit of grief, sadness, moaning, groaning and speculation on what happened. :mad:
Over and over and over and over again. :mad: Now, we have to get the guns, the killing guns. :mad: Giving all of the nut out there information on how and where to do the crime, what to wear and what type of gun to use. :mad: All in the name of sensual and gripping news coverage. :mad: :mad: :rant:
Some nut with low esteem, depression, wants to commit suicide and some way to get even with society. After watching this beat, beat, beat, beat of the drums of the corporate media. The mass murders say, hey, I can go down in history, I'll be famous, everyone will see what I did all by myself. I will go out in a blaze of glory. WOW! Let's find a easy target where there will be no one else with a gun, no protection and I will kill and kill and kill and show the damn world how I hate it. :mad: :rant:
The cops are just a bad, getting up before the cameras, say that the gunman had be neutralized. When in fact they found him in a corner with his brains blown out by the same gun he killed all of the people. :mad:
But the mass murder has to be the gun's fault. :yes: A person who wanted to commit suicide, could take a suitcase with 5 gallons of gasoline under high pressure in to a theater, a mall, a subway or a train station set of the gasoline spray, then set the gasoline fumes off and kill a lot more people. :yes:
People are not all perfect, not all people are going to think straight and there are going to people that are completely nuts. I have heard this statement many times, God is perfect. Well, God isn't perfect, because a lot of his creations are not perfect, for some are stone cold killers. :yes:
The national news should not report all of these killing and give all of the graphic information in such dramatic and tear jerking way over the airwaves. BECAUSE WE CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM GOING CRAZY. And we don't need to tell them what to do and where to go and what type of gun and ammunition to use to make they a great person in their own mind :no: :no: :no: :no:
May all of the victims rest in peace. Definitely a rainy day in America. :rain1: :'( :'( :'( :'(
Got up this Saturday morning and turned on the television. I when to the cable news channels and guess what was on? :rolleyes: Why it was the shooting at the school. Yep, Fox News, CNN and MSNBC were talking all morning about it, full hour by hour by hour in an endless news coverage of the Massacre. :rant:
Just asking some copycat killer to go find something to kill people with. :mad: Priming the pump for more killing. Endless talking heads now priming the pump for taking guns away. :mad: I has to be only the guns, bad guns, killing guns. Got to stop guns. And it's mostly bullshit. :mad:
But there is one question in my mind, How many people are killed by the cops using guns. I bet it would suprise the American people how the protective police department kill citizens of America. :rifle: But they say that they don't keep records of the cop shooting and cop suicides. :sneaky: :police: :yes:
They know, but it a secret, a closely guarded secret. Shootings by cops :police: I'll bet there are more killings by cops than the crazy insane killers kill every year. :spooked: :o
Another thing that burns my ass. The corporate news media are saying this. 20 CHILDREN and 6 adults were killed. 20 CHILDREN POOR INOCENNT CHILDREN and 6 other people. Like the older people where just kill in a passing way. The 6 adult men and women were just a valuable and as important as the CHILDREN. I guess the CHILDREN are more tear jerking and provoking than the old teachers and old people. Give me a break. :puke:
Here's some of the stuff being spewed in the media. Truth or not?
20 children aged 6 and 7 years old. 12 of them girls, 8 boys.
Shooters mother took the boys target shooting often.
Shooter tried to buy a firearm 3 days prior to event. The system worked and he was denied.
Shooter attempted to obtain entry to school previous day but was denied by 4 women that work there; 3 of whom he killed the next day.
Shooter broke into the school and was not allowed access.
Shooters mother did NOT work at the school and was NOT a teacher.
Shooter was autistic .
The following is from today's Washington Post. :spooked:
Wonder what the boy's father and brother would have to say if they chose to speak up.
Newtown School Shooter's Mother Collected Guns, Was Loath To Let People Inside Home
By Peter Hermann and Michael S. Rosenwald, Saturday, December 15, 2012, 8:19 PM
NEWTOWN, Conn. — Adam Lanza lived among guns.
His mother, Nancy, collected them. She showed them off to her landscaper.
"Guns were her hobby," said Dan Holmes, the landscaper of Nancy Lanza's sprawling yard here on the edge of town. "She told me she liked the single-mindedness of shooting."
Holmes said she even spoke of taking her son to the firing range to practice his aim.
As details of her son's troubled life trickled out Saturday, the day after he gunned down 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School and his mother at their home, the portrait emerging is one of a detached killer who knew his way around a trigger and of a family that feared outsiders in the home.
Holmes said Nancy Lanza, who was divorced and had reportedly worked in finance, never invited him inside. She would pay him in the yard. The landscaper never laid eyes on Adam Lanza, a skinny, withdrawn, socially awkward 20-year-old who excelled in academics but apparently not in forming deep friendships.
"I would ring the bell on the front door, and she would come out the side and meet me," he said. "It was a little weird. It's stranger now thinking back on what happened."
When she wanted to show Holmes an antique rifle, she proudly brought the gun — in its case — outside. How many guns Nancy had is not clear, though authorities say several were registered to her, including the ones used in the massacre.
Her former sister-in law, Marsha Lanza, told the Chicago Sun-Times outside her home in Crystal Lake, Ill., that Nancy Lanza wanted guns for protection. "She prepared for the worst," Marsha Lanza told the newspaper. "I didn't know that they [the guns] would be used on her."
Members of Nancy Lanza's regular neighborhood dice game never got inside her home, either — not in 15 years of regular games. Rhonda Collens, a frequent player in the game, said that while the group's weekly get-togethers moved from house to house, Nancy Lanza's was always skipped. She never met Adam Lanza, and Nancy never spoke of her children. Adam has an older brother, Ryan Lanza, who lives in New Jersey and works for the accounting firm Ernst & Young.
Asked about Nancy Lanza's guns, Collens said, "I had no idea she liked that stuff," adding, "she was a nice lady, very pleasant."
Adam Lanza's acquaintances continued coming forward with what they knew about a young man who to many seemed unknowable. They described him as a loner, shy, brilliant, interested in gaming and computers, though seemingly without a digital footprint on social networks. It was not known whether he had a job.
Kate Leen, 21, attended seventh and eighth grade with Lanza and remembers him as very shy.
"You would say 'hi,' and he would say 'hi' back, but he didn't give you a lot to work with," said Leen, who now attends Hofstra University in New York.
In high school he dressed in khaki shorts and pants and wore oversize button-down shirts. He carried a briefcase instead of a backpack.
"He wasn't exactly extra welcoming," Leen said.
Marsha Moskowitz, his middle-school bus driver, didn't remember Adam Lanza having any friends. on the bus. "He was very, very quiet, reserved, shy, kept to himself," she said. "He'd say hello and goodbye, and that was about it."
Although private, the family wasn't isolated.
Acquaintances recall that Nancy Lanza was a regular presence at My Place, the town watering hole and eatery. She liked craft beers, Holmes said.
"I guess now we'll all be looking a little bit closer at things," Holmes said, "though she seemed a normal, everyday lady."
Rosenwald reported from Washington. Eli Saslow, Jennifer Jenkins and Alice Crites contributed to this report.
© The Washington Post Company
:'( :'(
Below is the list of the victims' names released by the chief medical examiner's office.
Children:
Charlotte Bacon, 6
Daniel Barden, 7
Olivia Engel, 6
Josephine Gay, 7
Ana M. Marquez-Greene, 6
Dylan Hockley, 6
Madeleine F. Hsu, 6
Catherine V. Hubbard, 6
Chase Kowalski, 7
Jesse Lewis, 6
James Mattioli, 6
Grace McDonnell, 7
Emilie Parker, 6
Jack Pinto, 6
Noah Pozner, 6
Caroline Previdi, 6
Jessica Rekos, 6
Aviele Richman, 6
Benjamin Wheeler, 6
Allison N. Wyatt, 6
Adults:
Dawn Hochsprung, 47
Rachel Davino, 29
Anne Marie Murphy, 52
Lauren Rousseau, 30
Mary Sherlach, 56
Victoria Soto, 27
The medical examiner also said that most of the victims were shot multiple times and that the weapon employed was the Bushmaster rifle. If you recall, that's the same weapon employed by Lee Boyd Malvo and John Allen Muhammad (the Beltway Snipers).
The full press conference held by the chief medical examiner for those who may have missed it:
Quote from: libby on December 15, 2012, 11:48:05 PM
The following is from today's Washington Post. :spooked:
Wonder what the boy's father and brother would have to say if they chose to speak up.
Newtown School Shooter's Mother Collected Guns, Was Loath To Let People Inside Home
By Peter Hermann and Michael S. Rosenwald, Saturday, December 15, 2012, 8:19 PM
NEWTOWN, Conn. — Adam Lanza lived among guns.
His mother, Nancy, collected them. She showed them off to her landscaper.
"Guns were her hobby," said Dan Holmes, the landscaper of Nancy Lanza's sprawling yard here on the edge of town. "She told me she liked the single-mindedness of shooting."
Holmes said she even spoke of taking her son to the firing range to practice his aim.
As details of her son's troubled life trickled out Saturday, the day after he gunned down 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School and his mother at their home, the portrait emerging is one of a detached killer who knew his way around a trigger and of a family that feared outsiders in the home.
Holmes said Nancy Lanza, who was divorced and had reportedly worked in finance, never invited him inside. She would pay him in the yard. The landscaper never laid eyes on Adam Lanza, a skinny, withdrawn, socially awkward 20-year-old who excelled in academics but apparently not in forming deep friendships.
"I would ring the bell on the front door, and she would come out the side and meet me," he said. "It was a little weird. It's stranger now thinking back on what happened."
When she wanted to show Holmes an antique rifle, she proudly brought the gun — in its case — outside. How many guns Nancy had is not clear, though authorities say several were registered to her, including the ones used in the massacre.
Her former sister-in law, Marsha Lanza, told the Chicago Sun-Times outside her home in Crystal Lake, Ill., that Nancy Lanza wanted guns for protection. "She prepared for the worst," Marsha Lanza told the newspaper. "I didn't know that they [the guns] would be used on her."
Members of Nancy Lanza's regular neighborhood dice game never got inside her home, either — not in 15 years of regular games. Rhonda Collens, a frequent player in the game, said that while the group's weekly get-togethers moved from house to house, Nancy Lanza's was always skipped. She never met Adam Lanza, and Nancy never spoke of her children. Adam has an older brother, Ryan Lanza, who lives in New Jersey and works for the accounting firm Ernst & Young.
Asked about Nancy Lanza's guns, Collens said, "I had no idea she liked that stuff," adding, "she was a nice lady, very pleasant."
Adam Lanza's acquaintances continued coming forward with what they knew about a young man who to many seemed unknowable. They described him as a loner, shy, brilliant, interested in gaming and computers, though seemingly without a digital footprint on social networks. It was not known whether he had a job.
Kate Leen, 21, attended seventh and eighth grade with Lanza and remembers him as very shy.
"You would say 'hi,' and he would say 'hi' back, but he didn't give you a lot to work with," said Leen, who now attends Hofstra University in New York.
In high school he dressed in khaki shorts and pants and wore oversize button-down shirts. He carried a briefcase instead of a backpack.
"He wasn't exactly extra welcoming," Leen said.
Marsha Moskowitz, his middle-school bus driver, didn't remember Adam Lanza having any friends. on the bus. "He was very, very quiet, reserved, shy, kept to himself," she said. "He'd say hello and goodbye, and that was about it."
Although private, the family wasn't isolated.
Acquaintances recall that Nancy Lanza was a regular presence at My Place, the town watering hole and eatery. She liked craft beers, Holmes said.
"I guess now we'll all be looking a little bit closer at things," Holmes said, "though she seemed a normal, everyday lady."
Rosenwald reported from Washington. Eli Saslow, Jennifer Jenkins and Alice Crites contributed to this report.
© The Washington Post Company
I find it so maddeningly nauseating to read how so many "suddenly" have insights into the lives of others once a family member goes gonzo. People who wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire pre-incident, suddenly have this epiphany that provides some crystal ball moment to them. Give me a freaking break!
They lived in the same community, or went to school, or rode the bus, (etc.) with this person, or said "hi" to them, and suddenly they know more than Dr Phil about them.
The truth is they are attention whores themselves, and they are riding the coat-tails of an individual who committed a heinous act of murder; and then exacerbated it by taking his own life, thereby robbing the entire community of not only the precious lives and the promises they once held, but the maddeningly short "sense of justice" the laws of humankind attempt to proved them once they are violated.
And the media feeds these miscreants by shining their lights on them and allowing them to pontificate on an international stage simply because they ived in the same community, or went to school, or rode the bus, (etc.) with this person, or said "hi" to them once in awhile. And why? Because despite the much ballyhooed "death of journalism" the old standard of said profession lives on; "if it bleeds it leads" and the media will prostitute itself to anyone or anything that serves to provide "color" to the bleeding.
Sorry Libby, this is not directed at you. I just am over-dosing on the sensationalistic prostitution of the media surrounding this incident. And for an encore I fully expect both sides of the political aisle to take full advantage of the incident to further their respective party platform's latest views surrounding how to make all this magically go away via the legislation of humanity.
The reality is it will never go away. A small group of terrorists killed thousands on 9/11/2001 with nothing more than a couple of utility knives. Shall we legislate those things as well? All our political piggies will do is drum up a way to generate more revenue via increased legislation, and in the end it will have zero impact upon those who scoff at the law today, and will tomorrow.
I would stipulate that every single one of the individuals around the world, who have committed heinous acts such as the one that transpired Friday are not right in the head. They are sick, twisted, and perhaps in ways that someone SHOULD have known, should have seen, or should have noticed, but no one did. Not a single human being did. But there is no shortage of people who step in front of the camera to say they did post incident.
If all of the things they have said, or even half of them are true, then why aren't we fixing the root cause of the whole damned mess; mental illness. Instead we are legislating cuts to the programs and institutions that provide the help mentally challenged human beings need. Instead we attach a social stigma to its very existence, treating it like a rotten family secret to be buried in the cellar and never be spoken of again.
What have learned from all of these mass killings? Not a damn thing, but they keep happening and an argument can be made that they are happening more frequently. Well of course they are! When you consider that the only thing rising in this country, and around the world for that matter, are homelessness, job losses, and a movement by the "global 1%ers" to increase the chasm between those with and those without.
Take away the firearms and they'll use knives. Take away the knives and they'll use sticks. Take away the sticks and they'll use rocks. Yes. It is the same old argument we hear anytime firearm legislation is spoken about. But, what will they blame when they have totally disarmed the civilian population, except for those who pay no attention to the laws already in place?
So the late Ms Lanza owned firearms. What's the big deal? Suddenly a woman who kept less than 10 weapons in her private collection is some kind of "militia member or right wing nut"? (They aren't saying it but they are damn well implying it. There are millions of women in this country just like her too, and why not? It is a constitutionally guaranteed right that each one of us holds and can take advantage of if we so chose. That in and of itself doesn't make anyone automatically sinister. If it did than I dare say a lot of our neighbors as well as members of this very forum would be classified as such.
No parent plans on having their offspring snap and turn into a mass murderer, and no parent ever obtained firearms with the intent of arming their children to commit murder. Does it happen? Well yeah it does, but lets not crucify a man/woman over what the media portrays them as, based upon the perspectives of attention whores who, if they truly did suspect something was wrong, had the social and civil duty to do something about it before the incident happened.
Most of these incidents, in hindsight, were preventable. If the perp had only obtained help, if the firearm owner only had purchased a triple-lock safe and had it bolted into the concrete foundation of their home, blah, blah, blah.
How about some legislation to put a firearm safe in every gun owner's home? NO! That would cost too much! (We'd rather create legislation to make firearms owners jump through hoops, pass drug tests, pass psych tests, and generate revenue). I have news for everybody. Even if you did that the only friggin people doing it would be those who already own firearms legally, and per the requirements set forth by the law. And when you set those requirements so high that only the affluent can afford to comply, then you make outlaws of a larger percentage of the population; not because they want to be outlaws or have some proclivity toward lawlessness, but because they have to protect themselves for it has become abundantly clear that government, at every level, is unable and unwilling to protect them.
I am no NRA member nor am I supporter of the NRA. I am no member of some militia right wingnut group. But I am a human being who pays attention to the lessons of history, world-wide, and I can state without reservation that disarming the citizens of any country, including this one, is the first step toward the demise of freedom. Period.
The fact this guy was able to get into an elementary school loaded for bear, scares the living hell out of me. It has broken my heart and makes me fearful for my grandchildren. It kept me awake last night. I don't know the solution to the problem and sincerely hope that one can be found. But the answer isn't in putting attention whores into the spotlight.
http://thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/ (http://thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/)
Exactly! Read this!
Quote from: Palehorse on December 16, 2012, 01:30:56 AM
http://thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/ (http://thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/)
Exactly! Read this!
How horrific! I can't even imagine being in her situation. That's an excellent read though, and it's indeed a conversation that needs to be had nationally. Until we as a society try and find appropriate help for these kind of individuals, the sad massacres are going to continue.
Quote from: Locutus on December 16, 2012, 01:51:09 AM
How horrific! I can't even imagine being in her situation. That's an excellent read though, and it's indeed a conversation that needs to be had nationally. Until we as a society try and find appropriate help for these kind of individuals, the sad massacres are going to continue.
Indeed Locutus. A friend of mine pointed me to the article after reading one of my posts, and it serves as an excellent example of what I was trying to impart a couple of posts ago.
I agree that firearms control makes sense, but it is NOT the root cause of the incidents like the one that happened Friday. Mental illness is. And just like everything else dealing with the ailments of society today, it will be swept under the rug and ignored in favor of revenue generating legislation. :mad:
I saw the father of one of the children killed on Friday, make a statement this evening. It breaks my heart that this man has to endure the pain and suffering that comes with the loss of a child. But his statement gives me great hope in the future of humankind in that, even in his hours of grueling and unimaginable pain and sorrow, he kept not only his late child's classmates and their families in his thoughts, but the survivors of the perps family as well.
As he spoke of his late daughter he glowed with pride surrounding her gentle and caring nature, and rightfully so. I do not know this man, but having heard him speak but once today I suspect his late daughter came by her gentle and caring nature quite naturally. And this day that daughter beams with great pride at the strength and caring nature of her father. (Well done dad).
I strongly suspect that if there is a solution to this problem it is to be found within the statement of this man, and the life of his late daughter. It took great courage and strength to do what he did today, and to say what he said, with conviction. I believe we should learn from the examples he and his daughter set before us.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 16, 2012, 02:01:32 AM
Indeed Locutus. A friend of mine pointed me to the article after reading one of my posts, and it serves as an excellent example of what I was trying to impart a couple of posts ago.
I agree that firearms control makes sense, but it is NOT the root cause of the incidents like the one that happened Friday. Mental illness is. And just like everything else dealing with the ailments of society today, it will be swept under the rug and ignored in favor of revenue generating legislation. :mad:
I found these lines to be particularly chilling. This is VERY VERY SCARY stuff.
"I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza's mother. I am Dylan Klebold's and Eric Harris's mother. I am Jason Holmes's mother. I am Jared Loughner's mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho's mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. "
...
"God help me. God help Michael. God help us all.":spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
Quote from: Locutus on December 16, 2012, 02:09:31 AM
I found these lines to be particularly chilling. This is VERY VERY SCARY stuff.
"I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza's mother. I am Dylan Klebold's and Eric Harris's mother. I am Jason Holmes's mother. I am Jared Loughner's mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho's mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. "
...
"God help me. God help Michael. God help us all."
:spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
I read it just after my latest missive, and it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Completely relevant to these incidents and utterly frightening to know that there are a multitude of others just like them that cannot get the help they absolutely need. :eek: :eek: :eek:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 16, 2012, 01:30:56 AM
http://thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/ (http://thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/)
Exactly! Read this!
And just so it doesn't get buried before others have the chance to read it, the link is above.
If you are frustrated over Fridays horrific incident at Sandy Hook Elementary, PLEASE take a couple of minutes out of your day to read this article. In my opinion it gets to the heart of the matter surrounding these mass shooting incidents.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 16, 2012, 02:18:44 AM
I read it just after my latest missive, and it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Completely relevant to these incidents and utterly frightening to know that there are a multitude of others just like them that cannot get the help they absolutely need. :eek: :eek: :eek:
Indeed! How long before we read about her child being the perpetrator of some massacre like this if nothing's done to help him? For those who for whatever reason(s) choose not to read what that mother wrote, here is a picture of the child she's talking about. He looks completely normal, but is apparently anything but.
(http://thebluereview.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Zoo-059-1-e1355617174785.jpg)
Quote from: Palehorse on December 16, 2012, 02:01:32 AM
Indeed Locutus. A friend of mine pointed me to the article after reading one of my posts, and it serves as an excellent example of what I was trying to impart a couple of posts ago.
I agree that firearms control makes sense, but it is NOT the root cause of the incidents like the one that happened Friday. Mental illness is. And just like everything else dealing with the ailments of society today, it will be swept under the rug and ignored in favor of revenue generating legislation. :mad:
You can't keep man from killing another human being. Just look at the weapons prisoner make and conceal in the most closely guarded prisons. It's easy to kill another person with your bare hands. :yes:
With all of the Millions and Million of dollars spent by the government to stop terrorism, you are not going to stop the lone killer, especially one who is willing to commit suicide. Since the beginning of time, all through the bible men and women have killed each other. Look at all of the wars that have happen since the beginning of time. Killing is in our DNA, it is a part of us as food, water and air. Push any person far enough and that person can be come a killer. This is a true fact. :yes:
But one thing was proved, the manic who killed all of these people at the school couldn't buy a gun at a gun shop. He had to steal one. :yes: :smile:
Tuesday a crazy gunman in a Oregon shopping mall kills 2 and wounded 3. Saturday after the school killing a crazy gunman shot over 50 bullets at a California mall parking lot. At this time no one was injured. :o
With over 36 hours of nonstop cable news programs on the massacre on Fox, CNN and MSNBC and all of the other news programs. I wonder how many other copy cat crazy gunman are going to come out of the woodwork. Train by the Corporate Media in how and where and what to use to kill people who are not protected without another gun, cop or protection. :rant:
There couldn't be a safer place to kill people is at a school, a school ball game, a church. Anywhere people congregate who don't like guns and won't carry a gun. Just one safe turkey shoot for a smart but crazy killer. Shoot until the gun misfires or the killer runs out of ammunition. :yes:
After all of these news coverage I'll bet money that the Bush Master 223 Rifle will become one big sales item and will increase in price. :yes: Anyone want to bet. :rant:
Friday a Cedar Lake, Indiana man was arrested :police: for threatening his to burn his wife to death as she slept and taking his guns to Jane Ball elementary school and killing as many people as he could. Huh, :confused:
The cops :police: took his guns and ammunition worth over a $100,000 and he was arrested :police: for domestic battery, felony intimidation that often used and misused charge of resisting arrest. :rolleyes:
This seem to be to good to be true. :yes: Anybody want to bet it was not a setup by his wife and the cops. :wink: She wanted to get even and the cops :police: :police:wanted his guns. :yes: Ask yourself this, why would a gun crazy nut with over $100,000 in guns and ammunition want to wait for his wife to go to sleep so he would burn her to death. When he could just reach over in a gun case in his house and grab a gun and shoot her. My case rest. :yes:
That old saying that if it seems to good to be true, most likely it isn't true. The jury is out and we will have to see. Sure seem sneaky :sneaky: :police: to me.
What we need is more 24 hour news coverage of these killing so they can bring all of the crazy nut out from under their rocks. When will the next shooting happen and where. :rant: NEWS FLASH WE BRING YOU THE NEW TO YOU WHEN EVER IT HAPPENS! Give me a break. :angry:
I am not sure what could have been done about someone like Adam Lanza. I haven't read anything about him other than being a loner and shy and maybe being mildly autistic. That by itself doesn't seem to be a prediction of violence. He was the right age for the onset of schizophrenia so maybe that is something to consider. He certainly had some kind of a breakdown. I am sure more will come out about this young man over the next few weeks. The last report I read stated he forced himself into the school building by breaking a window. I think it would be very difficult to protect against that type of entry short of bulletproof glass and/or bars on all windows and doors.
The people who were quoted in the article might have been responding to questions asked by the media. They can be really pushy. The landscaper who thought it was strange the mother never asked him to come inside when she paid him I thought was odd. I have never had someone come inside my house like that, so that seemed normal to me. At any rate, I doubt the mother thought her son would do the things he did.
The article was indeed scary and heartbreaking at the same time. There are residential facilities for kids like this but they are few and far between and it sounds like this boy needs that type of treatment.
Stories are coming out now about the adults and how they tried to stop the shooter. They were brave quick thinking people.
Quote from: Anne on December 16, 2012, 02:48:38 PM
I am not sure what could have been done about someone like Adam Lanza. I haven't read anything about him other than being a loner and shy and maybe being mildly autistic. That by itself doesn't seem to be a prediction of violence. He was the right age for the onset of schizophrenia so maybe that is something to consider. He certainly had some kind of a breakdown. I am sure more will come out about this young man over the next few weeks. The last report I read stated he forced himself into the school building by breaking a window. I think it would be very difficult to protect against that type of entry short of bulletproof glass and/or bars on all windows and doors.
The people who were quoted in the article might have been responding to questions asked by the media. They can be really pushy. The landscaper who thought it was strange the mother never asked him to come inside when she paid him I thought was odd. I have never had someone come inside my house like that, so that seemed normal to me. At any rate, I doubt the mother thought her son would do the things he did.
The article was indeed scary and heartbreaking at the same time. There are residential facilities for kids like this but they are few and far between and it sounds like this boy needs that type of treatment.
Stories are coming out now about the adults and how they tried to stop the shooter. They were brave quick thinking people.
What is so odd about not letting everyone into your home. There is a lot of people who has not been in my house. Especially after a worker for a roofer we let in to use the bathroom and stole some checks out of our check book and cashed them and left the state. :yes:
I also wonder, what would have happened if the adults at the school had let him come in when he was unarmed the day before he came back and killed everybody. :confused: Maybe speculating like all of the talking head have speculated about everything. If they had been a little more understanding and kinder he might not have come back with a grudge. Just speculating. :confused:
What a shame, what a damn shame. We not only have to worry about the criminally insane people killing us we have to worry about the damn killer cops with their 15 round Glock 9mm automatic pistols killing us. :rant:
According to Thomas J. Sheeran Associated Press. Two black men were chased down by 30 police cars and were shot to death in 137 round shooting spree by the police. Killing the driver with 23 shots and the passenger with 24 shots.
What cause it, the two murdered men were traveling down the road pass a cop the opposite direction when the cop said he thought he heard a gun shot. He made a U-Turn and started chasing the car while calling other cops about the gun fire. :confused:
At the end of the chase the "cops say" :rolleyes: that the car made a pass at a cop on foot and forced the cops to defend themselves by shooting the people in the car as they thought the men must be armed. Why the men didn't stop and why a gun of any kind could not be found. These two black men had 49 bullets in them, out of 137 bullets fired. Poor shooting I would say, hitting the target 1/3 of the time. :rolleyes: Ammunition must be cheap and why not it helps to get the guns broke in. :rant:
What gets me is how some hard of hearing cop and make the action he made and the adrenalin of the chase and the hunt of the quarry can lead to such stupidity of murdering two men by "HIGH TRAINED" cops. Barnie Fife's I would say. This type of killing are happening all over the country and seem to be a common thing, each and every day somewhere here in the United States, killing citizens in large numbers. The cops have to much power over our lives and should be accountable for such crimes. We need cops, but not killer cops. Shoot first and ask questions later. :dead: :cowboy:
Just this week a cop was convicted of beating a college student. The court found him guilty and sentenced him to one year. But the judge cut the the time to one week in home detention. :yes: If the judges and the lawyers didn't have the cops to bring them business they would have hard times. :rant: These cops are getting to be just like a Outlaw Motorcycle gang. :yes:
http://www.wthr.com/story/20366368/newtown-massacre-prompts-national-discussion-on-mental-illness?Clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass (http://www.wthr.com/story/20366368/newtown-massacre-prompts-national-discussion-on-mental-illness?Clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass)
The story we posted here in this topic about the mother of the 13 year old, has made the local news coverage in central Indiana.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 17, 2012, 07:13:23 PM
http://www.wthr.com/story/20366368/newtown-massacre-prompts-national-discussion-on-mental-illness?Clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass (http://www.wthr.com/story/20366368/newtown-massacre-prompts-national-discussion-on-mental-illness?Clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass)
The story we posted here in this topic about the mother of the 13 year old, has made the local news coverage in central Indiana.
Every since the shooting there has be 24 hour news coverage of the massacre. :mad: The news media are trying to make the news and the laws about guns. :yes:
The news organizations are to report the news not make news and laws. :rant:
Removing guns from our society will not prevent what happened to Sandy Hook Elementary......
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 18, 2012, 09:20:07 AM
Removing guns from our society will not prevent what happened to Sandy Hook Elementary......
I'm sort of with you on this. The whole gun control issue butts up against the Second Amendment anyway, so that conversation is probably going to be moot unless they reinstate the assault weapons ban. An outright ban on guns wouldn't pass constitutional muster in any court in the land, so I don't know why people are so up in arms about someone taking their guns away.
That said, I would personally like more programs on the state and federal level directed to help people like the poor mother in that article Palehorse shared a few posts ago. If you haven't read it, I would encourage you to do so. That woman knows both she and her son are in trouble, but they can't get any help. The system doesn't care.
She knows very well that her son, based on his current behavior, may just be the one we're reading about who's committed some future atrocity. The signs are there, and she sees them. There are countless others, all around the country, who are in similar circumstances, but can't get help.
That's where every resource we can provide needs to be directed. These kids with mental health issues do show signs, and they're recognized by those close to them who don't bury their heads in the sand and ignore them. They need help desperately. Until we as a society find a way to effectively provide it, we're going to see more carnage.
Here's a link to the article in case you missed it the first time. Read it, and then read it again.
http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother
Quote from: Locutus on December 18, 2012, 11:29:52 AM
I'm sort of with you on this. The whole gun control issue butts up against the Second Amendment anyway, so that conversation is probably going to be moot unless they reinstate the assault weapons ban. An outright ban on guns wouldn't pass constitutional muster in any court in the land, so I don't know why people are so up in arms about someone taking their guns away.
That said, I would personally like more programs on the state and federal level directed to help people like the poor mother in that article Palehorse shared a few posts ago. If you haven't read it, I would encourage you to do so. That woman knows both she and her son are in trouble, but they can't get any help. The system doesn't care.
She knows very well that her son, based on his current behavior, may just be the one we're reading about who's committed some future atrocity. The signs are there, and she sees them. There are countless others, all around the country, who are in similar circumstances, but can't get help.
That's where every resource we can provide needs to be directed. These kids with mental health issues do show signs, and they're recognized by those close to them who don't bury their heads in the sand and ignore them. They need help desperately. Until we as a society find a way to effectively provide it, we're going to see more carnage.
Thanks PH for posting that link, and thanks Locutus for pointing it out....I too, agree that state and federal programs would be the best way to solve this problem. Unfortunately, I think locking them up, is the only solution. A prison as we know it is not the answer. I think it is at the best interests of taxpayers to accomadate such individuals. For they are the problem, not guns.
A very sad and alarming story that in my opinion, nails it head on.
Holy cow! Everyone's on the same page for once??? :spooked: ;D
Quote from: Locutus on December 18, 2012, 12:02:25 PM
Holy cow! Everyone's on the same page for once??? :spooked: ;D
Perhaps the end of the world REALLY IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!! :spooked:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 18, 2012, 12:07:39 PM
Perhaps the end of the world REALLY IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!! :spooked:
Don't get too excited just yet. I see the Troll is posting. :razz: :rotfl:
The Troll 11:57:43 AM Posting in Another East Coast Mass Shooting Incident.
:biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on December 18, 2012, 12:09:40 PM
The Troll 11:57:43 AM Posting in Another East Coast Mass Shooting Incident.
:biggrin:
The world awaits...... :spooked:
..... still waiting. ;D
I'm getting nervous now!! Friday will be here before we know it!! :yes: :spooked:
Troll, enough spellchecking.......... :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on December 18, 2012, 11:30:19 AM
Here's a link to the article in case you missed it the first time. Read it, and then read it again.
http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother
Yep, I have seen this on Dr. Phil many times. The little monster completely out of control. The family can't get help from the state, no help from doctors. The family has spent a fortune on them and are broke.
The parents have the knifes locked up, their bed room door locked at night, because they can't not lock the kid up. The house torn up, their brother and sisters are in danger and still no one will help. :yes:
I have seen many times that Dr. Phil has offered very expensive care camp for these kids. The kids wouldn't go and by law they can't make them go. They got to commit a crime. But by the time these monster commit a crime it's murder. :yes:
What good would it have done in this case. Back ground checks, registering the weapons, finger printing, picture taken. The kid was smart, if he didn't have a gun he would have been smart enough to have something more deadly. :dead:
He stole the gun from his mother, who probably told him couldn't have it. So he shot her 3 times in the face, this little bastard shot his mother in the face with a 223 caliber rifle three times.
The only thing that could have helped in this case would have been, it the teachers or the principle had a gun. The principle made a grab for the gun and missed and he shot her. If she had a gun and knew how to use it, he would have been the dead one. :yes:
The teachers in Israel carry assault rifles on their backs when they're outside and a weapon handy in the class room. So they can kill these crazy Ragheads when they try to kill the Jewish children and yes the kids don't seem to mind it. Their lives depend on protection. :yes:
We need a place, if you want to call it a prison to put these kids, fine. We need to get these kids out of society where they can't hurt themselves, they get medical and drug treatment and psychiatric treatment and they can't get out until cured. That would be better than a bunch of ill thought out gun laws. Let's stop the news media from making laws and money off of such crimes. :rant:
Right on Troll!.....we DO agree on SOME things.
As you stated, Israel teachers carry and are prepared. I think that is another solution, along with aiding these kids and parents.
If Adam Lanza's first victim, his mother, had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this tragedy before it started.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 18, 2012, 01:16:01 PM
If Adam Lanza's first victim, his mother, had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this tragedy before it started.
Not sure if this is irony. ??
Irony, sarcasm...whatever.
No parent wants to believe their child is a mass-murderer or serial killer, or that they are capable of such. And they will give their lives to prove it. (Right, wrong, or indifferent).
Quote from: Exterminator on December 18, 2012, 01:27:02 PM
Irony, sarcasm...whatever.
Yeah.
She sure was a dyed-in-the -wool doomsday prepper.
Gotta be the ultimate irony.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 18, 2012, 01:16:01 PM
If Adam Lanza's first victim, his mother, had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this tragedy before it started.
:yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 18, 2012, 01:16:01 PM
If Adam Lanza's first victim, his mother, had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this tragedy before it started.
I don't know what you are talking about, that almost sounds like something Henry would say. :confused:
Maybe he had got the rifle and she tried to stop him and to get his way he shot her in the face three times. Please explain what you just said. :confused:
Quote from: The Troll on December 18, 2012, 11:17:55 PM
I don't know what you are talking about, that almost sounds like something Henry would say. :confused:
Maybe he had got the rifle and she tried to stop him and to get his way he shot her in the face three times. Please explain what you just said. :confused:
I think it was sarcasm. Lanza's mother was found shot in her bed while she slept, all the while being a gun collector and preparing for doomsday. In the end, she fell victim to her own guns, and at the hands of her own son.
Adam shot his mother in the face that day, several times, while she laid in bed, before stealing her three guns, and heading to the school. It appears as though Nancy may have been asleep when she was shot dead.
Link (http://hollywoodlife.com/2012/12/16/adam-lanza-killed-mom-bed-newtown-shooting-details-nancy-lanza-shot/)
Quote from: Locutus on December 18, 2012, 11:21:53 PM
I think it was sarcasm. Lanza's mother was found shot in her bed while she slept, all the while being a gun collector and preparing for doomsday. In the end, she fell victim to her own guns, and at the hands of her own son.
Adam shot his mother in the face that day, several times, while she laid in bed, before stealing her three guns, and heading to the school. It appears as though Nancy may have been asleep when she was shot dead.
Link (http://hollywoodlife.com/2012/12/16/adam-lanza-killed-mom-bed-newtown-shooting-details-nancy-lanza-shot/)
What is so bad, nothing could have been done at this time to have prevented him from hurting anyone. He hadn't broke a law and being crazy in against the law. He was smart enough and crazy enough to have done something like this without a gun. :yes:
It is well know that a gallon of gasoline has more explosive power that a pound of gun powder. Fuel oil and fertilizer has quite a bit more power than gasoline alone. :science:
Now they are bring in a geneticist. I wondered if they would do that.
Quote from: Anne on December 20, 2012, 01:22:53 PM
Now they are bring in a geneticist. I wondered if they would do that.
If they lack any other clues as to motive, that's probably as good a place to start as any.
I think they should do more about mental illness than gun control. :yes:
Not all of the mass atemps at mass murder was a gun. There was gasoline in the subway, bomb in Time square, kersin and fertulize in Oklhoma and there was guns. :yes:
But behind it all there was a crazy nut, someone out of his freaking mind who wants to take someone to hell with him. Also it has been all men. Not one of the mass killer have been men. Crazy women like to use pistols and poison. :yes:
No laws is going to keep some suicidal manic who is willing to die to keep them from kill anyone. :trustme: A car doing 100 miles per hour into a crowd will do the same thing. :rant:
I've got mine so am not worried, but the rest of you; when Anarchy reigns and you are victimized by the laws they are readying to impose/re-impose upon those who already abide by the law, remember this knee-jerk moment on BOTH sides of the aisle! :yes:
Mark my words, all these laws will do is strengthen the power and influence of those who do not abide by the law today.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 22, 2012, 12:27:05 AM
I've got mine so am not worried, but the rest of you; when Anarchy reigns and you are victimized by the laws they are readying to impose/re-impose upon those who already abide by the law, remember this knee-jerk moment on BOTH sides of the aisle! :yes:
Mark my words, all these laws will do is strengthen the power and influence of those who do not abide by the law today.
yep!
First the King didn't want the peasants to have daggers. Then the King didn't want them to have a sword. Then he didn't want the peasants to have bows and arrows. Then he didn't want the peasants to have cross bows. Why? Because King (the Elite) didn't want the peasants to have any defense against his Knights (police) so he could continue to oppress them. :wink: :yes:
Now we have the well armed guarded Super Rich and the rich who live in the armed guarded apartments and arm guarded gated communities, working in arm guarded locations. So taking our (peasants) guns will enable the Elite Super Rich (Republican/Tea Party) to continuing the oppression of us, the American people. :rant:
The only way they are getting my gun is from my cold dead hand. :4th3:
I'll bury them for later use. :flag: :trustme:
:no:
Michael fuckin' Savage put this up on his Facebook page in response to the shooting at Sandy Hook.
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Quote from: The Troll on December 22, 2012, 01:21:20 PM
First the King didn't want the peasants to have daggers. Then the King didn't want them to have a sword. Then he didn't want the peasants to have bows and arrows. Then he didn't want the peasants to have cross bows. Why? Because King (the Elite) didn't want the peasants to have any defense against his Knights (police) so he could continue to oppress them. :wink: :yes:
Now we have the well armed guarded Super Rich and the rich who live in the armed guarded apartments and arm guarded gated communities, working in arm guarded locations. So taking our (peasants) guns will enable the Elite Super Rich (Republican/Tea Party) to continuing the oppression of us, the American people. :rant:
The only way they are getting my gun is from my cold dead hand. :4th3:
I'll bury them for later use. :flag: :trustme:
Um, I think you'd better think again about who's asking for more gun control Troll.
Obama urges Americans to keep up pressure for tighter gun control
WASHINGTON | Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:05pm EST
(Reuters) - President Barack Obama urged Americans on Friday to keep up the pressure on lawmakers to tighten gun regulations as a result of the mass shooting of 26 people in Newtown, Connecticut, a week ago.
Obama issued a videotaped response to the several hundred thousand people who have signed a petition posted on the White House website calling for toughened gun laws in response to the shooting, in which 20 school children and six adults were killed at a Newtown school.
"I need your help," Obama said in the video. "If we're going to succeed, it's going to take a sustained effort from mothers and fathers, daughters and sons, law enforcement and responsible gun owners, organizing, speaking up, calling their members of Congress as many times as it takes, standing up and saying 'Enough' on behalf of all our kids."
Obama has called for Congress to approve a ban on the sale in the United States of military-style assault weapons, a ban on the sale of high-capacity ammunition clips, and to ensure everyone gets a background check before they buy a gun, even if the purchase takes place at an open-air gun show currently exempt from such requirements.
For years Americans have been reluctant to impose greater restrictions on gun purchases, but the Newtown shooting has changed many minds and Obama is seeking to take advantage of the shift in attitude.
He has directed Vice President Joe Biden and a team of Cabinet officials to offer concrete proposals by next month on how to tighten gun laws and improve Americans' access to mental healthcare, strengthen school safety and address a culture that glorifies guns and violence.
Obama said he would push for these proposals early next year.
"You've started something and now I ask you to keep at it," he said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/21/us-usa-shooting-obama-idUSBRE8BK0F120121221
Washington: Several Democratic lawmakers called for a new push for US gun restrictions on Sunday, including a ban on military-style assault weapons, in the wake of the Connecticut massacre in which 20 children and six adults were gunned down in a school.
Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein, the author of an assault-weapons ban that lapsed in 2004, said she would introduce new legislation this week. Senator Dick Durbin, the chamber's No. 2 Democrat, said lawmakers would hold hearings on gun control, and several others said they would devote new attention to the long-ignored issue.
"I think we could be at a tipping point ... where we might get something done," Senator Charles Schumer, another top Senate Democrat, said on CBS's "Face the Nation."
Any effort to restrict access to high-powered weapons is likely to face fierce opposition from many Republicans in Congress who say restrictions violate the US Constitution's right to bear arms.
Gun control has been a low priority for most US politicians due to the widespread popularity of guns in America and the clout of the pro-gun National Rifle Association. Most Republicans and many Democrats, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, are firm allies of the group.
Opinion polls have found Americans to be divided on the issue even after other high-profile shooting incidents.
US lawmakers have not approved a major new gun law since 1994.
Feinstein said her planned legislation would outlaw the high-capacity magazines and military-style assault rifles that have factored in many recent mass shootings, including Friday's massacre in Newtown, Connecticut. People who own such weapons now would not be required to give them up, Feinstein said.
She said she would introduce her bill in the Democratic-controlled Senate soon, and a companion bill would be introduced in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives.
Connecticut's Democratic governor and two senators, one a Democrat and one an independent, voiced support for an assault-weapons ban or restrictions on high-capacity magazines.
'An armed people'
A Republican lawmaker signaled ongoing opposition to gun control.
Asked on "Fox News Sunday" why Americans would need to own semi-automatic weapons, Republican Representative Louie Gohmert said, "Well, for the reason George Washington said: a free people should be an armed people. It ensures against the tyranny of the government, if they know that the biggest army is the American people."
Gohmert added, "Once you start drawing the line, where do you stop? ... Gun laws don't work."
President Barack Obama campaigned on gun control in 2008, but he has expanded gun rights in his first four years in office, signing legislation that would allow people to carry weapons on Amtrak trains and in national parks.
He tearfully called for "meaningful action" to prevent further tragedies on Friday, but the White House has declined to say what measures he would support.
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an outspoken gun-control advocate, said Obama will have to make the issue a priority to get any new laws enacted.
"It's time for the president, I think, to stand up and lead and tell this country what we should do - not go to Congress and say, 'What do you guys want to do?' This should be his number one agenda," Bloomberg said on NBC's "Meet the Press."
Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy, who has met with families of the victims of Friday's massacre, spoke of the need for new gun control steps.
"These are assault weapons. You don't hunt deer with these things. And I think that's the question that a lot of people are going to have to resolve their own minds: Where should this line get drawn?" Malloy added.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/democrats-vow-push-for-gun-control-measures-in-us-congress-306151
Quote from: me on December 23, 2012, 01:10:46 AM
Um, I think you'd better think again about who's asking for more gun control Troll.
The rich will always have gun to protect them. Just look at England, look at Australia, look a Russia. Would the rich like to see the gun taken away from the peasants. Yes.
And who are the super rich and own the corporations? Why it is the Super Rich, who want to control the whole world and most of them are Republicans. :yes:
The father of Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter Adam Lanza claimed his body last week, a family spokesman said.
Peter Lanza claimed the body Thursday, spokesman Errol Cockfield said. He declined to specify where the body would be buried.
This has to be among the hardest things a parent can be faced with, and I do not envy this man's task or future path. :'(
Quote from: The Troll on December 23, 2012, 11:59:55 AM
The rich will always have gun to protect them. Just look at England, look at Australia, look a Russia. Would the rich like to see the gun taken away from the peasants. Yes.
And who are the super rich and own the corporations? Why it is the Super Rich, who want to control the whole world and most of them are Republicans. :yes:
Gosh I could have sworn that Feinstine, Obama, and a bunch of other liberals were the ones asking for gun control.
QuoteSens. Feinstein, Graham clash on gun control
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) clashed with Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.) on "Fox News Sunday" over gun control proposals.
House Democrats push on gun control
By Ken Dilanian
December 30, 2012, 1:58 p.m.
If Washington's effort to reach a deal on the "fiscal cliff" looks daunting, just wait for the debate over what to do about mass shootings like the one that killed 20 children and six adults at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.
Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) clashed sharply over Feinstein's proposal to ban military-style assault weapons.
"The question comes, what do we do about the growing sophistication of military weapons on the streets of our cities?" Feinstein said.
"When you have someone walking in and slaying, in the most brutal way, 6-year olds, something is really wrong," said Feinstein, who has made gun control a key issue since her days as president of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1978 when her colleague Harvey Milk and the city's mayor, George Moscone, were shot and killed in City Hall by a rival politician.
Feinstein has proposed a prohibition on the type of semi-automatic rifles used in the Newtown shooting and other recent mass killings, adding that her bill would be much tougher than the loophole-ridden assault weapons ban in place from 1994-2004. Assault rifles already in circulation would remain legal, but the owners would have to register them and become licensed. Her bill also would ban high-capacity magazines.
Limiting guns is precisely the wrong answer, Graham responded.
Crime is at record lows in part because guns are more widespread than ever, he said. He endorsed the proposal by the National Rifle Assn. to put armed guards in every school. He said he owns an AR-15, the type of semi-automatic rifled used by Adam Lanza in the Newtown school shooting.
"What she is proposing is a massive intervention," Graham said. "Gun sales are up, and crime is down. You're not going to be able to stop mass murderers with no criminal record just by taking my AR-15 and making me pay $200 and get my fingerprints and say I can't buy another one.
"The best solution to protect children is to have somebody there to stop the shooter, not get everybody's gun in the country."
Feinstein responded that there was an armed guard at Columbine High School in 1999, but he was unable to "stop the shooters," Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, who killed 15 people and wounded 23.
Appearing on NBC's "Meet the Press," President Obama, who supports an assault weapons ban, said such measures could only be enacted if the public puts pressure on Congress.
"We're not going to get this done unless the American people decide it's important," Obama said.
"And so this is not going to be simply a matter of me spending political capital," Obama said. "One of the things that you learn, having now been in this office for four years, is the old adage of Abraham Lincoln's -- that with public opinion there's nothing you can't do and without public opinion there's very little you can get done in this town."
Obama said he would make a series of proposals and put "my full weight behind it ... but ultimately the way this is going to happen is because the American people say, 'That's right. We are willing to make different choices for the country and we support those in Congress who are willing to take those actions.' And will there be resistance? Absolutely there will be resistance."
The day of the Newtown shootings, he said, "was the worst day of my presidency."
But the question is "whether we are actually shook up enough by what happened here that it does not just become another one of these routine episodes where it gets a lot of attention for a couple of weeks and then it drifts away."
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-feinstein-graham-newtown-gun-control-20121230,0,5949953.story
Quote from: Palehorse on January 01, 2013, 06:29:57 PM
The father of Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter Adam Lanza claimed his body last week, a family spokesman said.
Peter Lanza claimed the body Thursday, spokesman Errol Cockfield said. He declined to specify where the body would be buried.
This has to be among the hardest things a parent can be faced with, and I do not envy this man's task or future path. :'(
To lose a child is devastating, but under such awful circumstances, it's hard to imagine the torment he must be going through. If he's a typical parent, he will think back about his innocent little boy and wonder where he went wrong, how he could've missed the signs or misinterpreted them. He will think about how he could've done more, found more time to be with him as he grew older, especially after the divorce.
My son passed away suddenly 5 years ago. I could not bear to think about it for at least three years, and if not for devoted family and friends, especially one dear friend, I do not know what I would've done. Even now it is hard for me to think back and remember. I was a devoted and loving parent; some family thought I "spoiled" him, but I keep thinking of things I could have done, or not done, or said or not said. And the dreams. Mostly dreams about being lost. I wandered around, in strange and familiar places, in the jungle, or on the side of a mountain with no one in sight.
I'm sorry for your loss libby, but I'm glad you had at least one true friend to help you find your way through the darkness.
Quote from: Locutus on January 01, 2013, 08:37:52 PM
I'm sorry for your loss libby, but I'm glad you had at least one true friend to help you find your way through the darkness.
Thank you, Locutus.
Quote from: libby on January 01, 2013, 08:29:27 PM
To lose a child is devastating, but under such awful circumstances, it's hard to imagine the torment he must be going through. If he's a typical parent, he will think back about his innocent little boy and wonder where he went wrong, how he could've missed the signs or misinterpreted them. He will think about how he could've done more, found more time to be with him as he grew older, especially after the divorce.
My son passed away suddenly 5 years ago. I could not bear to think about it for at least three years, and if not for devoted family and friends, especially one dear friend, I do not know what I would've done. Even now it is hard for me to think back and remember. I was a devoted and loving parent; some family thought I "spoiled" him, but I keep thinking of things I could have done, or not done, or said or not said. And the dreams. Mostly dreams about being lost. I wandered around, in strange and familiar places, in the jungle, or on the side of a mountain with no one in sight.
One never gets over the loss of a child. The pain never goes away, or "gets' better". You just learn to accept it and how to deal with the pain of loss.
Unfortunately I know about this all too well. . . And I too have traveled the path of what if, could have, should have; for 25 years, and knowing all along the way that traveling that path serves no useful purpose and will lead to nothing good. But each year on the anniversary of my own child's death, I find the feet of my spirit upon one or more of those paths none-the-less.
I extend to you my greatest and heartfelt sympathy on your loss Libby, and my unwavering support as you travel life's path carrying such a burden. Eventually you will come to terms with it and move toward acceptance. We cannot change what transpired in the past, and must resolve to move forward and make the best of what remains of our own lives. It is what our departed loved ones would want for us, and expect from us, and we must do everything we can to avoid disappointing them in this.
Even 25 years later I still experience days of darkness, sorrow, and regret. But I've got better at dealing with them, and so will you my friend!
Quote from: Palehorse on January 01, 2013, 08:51:00 PM
One never gets over the loss of a child. The pain never goes away, or "gets' better". You just learn to accept it and how to deal with the pain of loss.
Unfortunately I know about this all too well. . . And I too have traveled the path of what if, could have, should have; for 25 years, and knowing all along the way that traveling that path serves no useful purpose and will lead to nothing good. But each year on the anniversary of my own child's death, I find the feet of my spirit upon one or more of those paths none-the-less.
I extend to you my greatest and heartfelt sympathy on your loss Libby, and my unwavering support as you travel life's path carrying such a burden. Eventually you will come to terms with it and move toward acceptance. We cannot change what transpired in the past, and must resolve to move forward and make the best of what remains of our own lives. It is what our departed loved ones would want for us, and expect from us, and we must do everything we can to avoid disappointing them in this.
Even 25 years later I still experience days of darkness, sorrow, and regret. But I've got better at dealing with them, and so will you my friend!
Thank you, Palehorse, for those kind and eloquent words.
Quote from: libby on January 01, 2013, 09:24:45 PM
Thank you, Palehorse, for those kind and eloquent words.
No, it is I who thank you for your courage in sharing your experience with us here.
One can never know the pain that comes with the loss of a child unless they have experienced it. And I would not wish that upon my worst enemy in the world. Ever. :no: :no:
It is the closest thing to hell on earth in my opinion, and it will ruin your life if you let it. And at times it can appear so much easier to let it. . . :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: Palehorse on January 01, 2013, 09:34:17 PM
No, it is I who thank you for your courage in sharing your experience with us here.
One can never know the pain that comes with the loss of a child unless they have experienced it. And I would not wish that upon my worst enemy in the world. Ever. :no: :no:
It is the closest thing to hell on earth in my opinion, and it will ruin your life if you let it. And at times it can appear so much easier to let it. . . :'( :'( :'(
Yes. Sometimes it's the little things that hurt the most. My son loved a simple but delicious carrot/ginger soup I found the recipe for in Bon Appetit. On the day before he died, he seemed tired and weary, and I, as I went out the door to run to the store, asked if he'd like some of the soup, and he smiled and said "Yes!" But when I got back, he was upstairs asleep and I didn't want to wake him up. He died the next morning -- and although I have moved on and can talk about it now, I have never again been able to make that soup.
Quote from: libby on January 01, 2013, 08:29:27 PM
To lose a child is devastating, but under such awful circumstances, it's hard to imagine the torment he must be going through. If he's a typical parent, he will think back about his innocent little boy and wonder where he went wrong, how he could've missed the signs or misinterpreted them. He will think about how he could've done more, found more time to be with him as he grew older, especially after the divorce.
My son passed away suddenly 5 years ago. I could not bear to think about it for at least three years, and if not for devoted family and friends, especially one dear friend, I do not know what I would've done. Even now it is hard for me to think back and remember. I was a devoted and loving parent; some family thought I "spoiled" him, but I keep thinking of things I could have done, or not done, or said or not said. And the dreams. Mostly dreams about being lost. I wandered around, in strange and familiar places, in the jungle, or on the side of a mountain with no one in sight.
Libby, I some how passed over this, but I could ONLY imagine, and I shutter at the thought of going through such an ordeal...As PH said, not something I would wish on my worst enemy......My heart goes out to you.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 02, 2013, 10:56:44 AM
Libby, I some how passed over this, but I could ONLY imagine, and I shutter at the thought of going through such an ordeal...As PH said, not something I would wish on my worst enemy......My heart goes out to you.
Thank you for your kind words, HH.
Libby, I am so sorry about your son. Two of our grandchildren were killed nine years ago New Years Day. They were our first and the ones we were closest to and we were devestated. I didn't know if my daughter would ever smile again. The what ifs are terrible. I'm glad you had family and friends supporting you.
Thank you Anne.
I thought of you this morning when I looked at the Washington Post -- I think you said your daughter lives in Tysons Corner -- there's a front page article about the area and the big changes coming, including that it's going to be called Tysons -- no more Corner -- and they're getting rid of a lot of parking areas, but I guess the most important thing is that rail is going to/thru. To me that means subway, and that is great. It will make a huge difference. You may already know that, but it was news to me.
For anyone who missed it, here is Alex Jones having a complete and total meltdown on Piers Morgan's show last night. I was watching the football game, so I had to find it online. The guy is fucking idiot.
Parts 1 and 2:
http://www.youtube.com/v/AtyKofFih8Y
http://www.youtube.com/v/m5myV_-2XjI
Wow! WTF?
Quote from: Exterminator on January 08, 2013, 11:37:43 AM
Wow! WTF?
Yep! That guy is flat out nuts.
I've seen several comments on social media stating that Jones owned Piers Morgan. I think the only thing he really showed is what a complete and total jackass he obviously is.
I don't even think the NRA would want that guy as a representative. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on January 08, 2013, 12:08:55 PM
Yep! That guy is flat out nuts.
I've seen several comments on social media stating that Jones owned Piers Morgan. I think the only thing he really showed is what a complete and total jackass he obviously is.
I don't even think the NRA would want that guy as a representative. ;D
Anyone who looks at that freak-show and thinks he should be allowed to have guns has some issues.
Quote from: Locutus on January 08, 2013, 11:26:05 AM
For anyone who missed it, here is Alex Jones having a complete and total meltdown on Piers Morgan's show last night. I was watching the football game, so I had to find it online. The guy is fucking idiot.
Parts 1 and 2:
http://www.youtube.com/v/AtyKofFih8Y
http://www.youtube.com/v/m5myV_-2XjI
Holy hell! Another extremist gone wild. As Piers so aptly put it, "I cannot think of a better endorsement for gun control." :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on January 08, 2013, 01:22:38 PM
Holy hell! Another extremist gone wild. As Piers so aptly put it, "I cannot think of a better endorsement for gun control." :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
And Piers Morgan is a Bloody Englishman asshole. :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on January 08, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
And Piers Morgan is a Bloody Englishman asshole. :yes:
Alex Jones is the one who looked like an asshole last night. Did you watch the videos?
Quote from: Locutus on January 08, 2013, 06:37:17 PM
Alex Jones is the one who looked like an asshole last night. Did you watch the videos?
Yes, both crazy. But I still think that Morgan is an arrogant asshole. :yes: Take his English attitude back to England. :yes:
Boy does that dude need a chill pill. :spooked:
A voice of reason. (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-8-2013/scapegoat-hunter---gun-control?xrs=playershare_fb)
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 09, 2013, 01:34:10 PM
A voice of reason. (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-8-2013/scapegoat-hunter---gun-control?xrs=playershare_fb)
Quote from: Exterminator on January 09, 2013, 03:31:25 PM
With which part don't you agree?
I think you're giving her too much credit. I doubt she even watched it. ;D
I think Jon Stewart is a comedian...who does make some points. It does not negate that many facts and arguments that are being made by the NRA and millions and millions of gun owners. We do have extremists on both sides, like always, gets most of the media's attention.
I think for the most part, the 2nd amendment is quite clear. We have had several laws in several cities, that have all sorts of gun control laws, and they have not helped. It is MY opinion, that government has this need to solve ALL the problems that exist with NEW laws.
I also think that this administration is playing hard on peoples emotions (20 kids being gunned down), to gain control on this extremely controversial issue.
I say congress needs to introduce what they have in mind, and vote on it. They way it is supposed to work.
Quote from: Palehorse on January 08, 2013, 01:22:38 PM
Holy hell! Another extremist gone wild. As Piers so aptly put it, "I cannot think of a better endorsement for gun control." :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
:eek: :spooked: Amen to that.