Another East Coast Mass Shooting Incident

[Palehorse]

I saw the father of one of the children killed on Friday, make a statement this evening. It breaks my heart that this man has to endure the pain and suffering that comes with the loss of a child. But his statement gives me great hope in the future of humankind in that, even in his hours of grueling and unimaginable pain and sorrow, he kept not only his late child's classmates and their families in his thoughts, but the survivors of the perps family as well.

As he spoke of his late daughter he glowed with pride surrounding her gentle and caring nature, and rightfully so. I do not know this man, but having heard him speak but once today I suspect his late daughter came by her gentle and caring nature quite naturally. And this day that daughter beams with great pride at the strength and caring nature of her father. (Well done dad).

I strongly suspect that if there is a solution to this problem it is to be found within the statement of this man, and the life of his late daughter. It took great courage and strength to do what he did today, and to say what he said, with conviction. I believe we should learn from the examples he and his daughter set before us.

[Locutus]

Indeed Locutus. A friend of mine pointed me to the article after reading one of my posts, and it serves as an excellent example of what I was trying to impart a couple of posts ago.

I agree that firearms control makes sense, but it is NOT the root cause of the incidents like the one that happened Friday. Mental illness is. And just like everything else dealing with the ailments of society today, it will be swept under the rug and ignored in favor of revenue generating legislation. 

I found these lines to be particularly chilling.  This is VERY VERY SCARY stuff.

"I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza's mother. I am Dylan Klebold's and Eric Harris's mother. I am Jason Holmes's mother. I am Jared Loughner's mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho's mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. "

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"God help me. God help Michael. God help us all."

[Palehorse]

I found these lines to be particularly chilling.  This is VERY VERY SCARY stuff.

"I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza's mother. I am Dylan Klebold's and Eric Harris's mother. I am Jason Holmes's mother. I am Jared Loughner's mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho's mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. "

...

"God help me. God help Michael. God help us all."

I read it just after my latest missive, and it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Completely relevant to these incidents and utterly frightening to know that there are a multitude of others just like them that cannot get the help they absolutely need. 

[Palehorse]

http://thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/

Exactly! Read this!

And just so it doesn't get buried before others have the chance to read it, the link is above.

If you are frustrated over Fridays horrific incident at Sandy Hook Elementary, PLEASE take a couple of minutes out of your day to read this article. In my opinion it gets to the heart of the matter surrounding these mass shooting incidents.

[Locutus]

I read it just after my latest missive, and it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Completely relevant to these incidents and utterly frightening to know that there are a multitude of others just like them that cannot get the help they absolutely need. 

Indeed!  How long before we read about her child being the perpetrator of some massacre like this if nothing's done to help him?  For those who for whatever reason(s) choose not to read what that mother wrote, here is a picture of the child she's talking about.  He looks completely normal, but is apparently anything but.

[The Troll]

Indeed Locutus. A friend of mine pointed me to the article after reading one of my posts, and it serves as an excellent example of what I was trying to impart a couple of posts ago.

I agree that firearms control makes sense, but it is NOT the root cause of the incidents like the one that happened Friday. Mental illness is. And just like everything else dealing with the ailments of society today, it will be swept under the rug and ignored in favor of revenue generating legislation. 

  You can't keep man from killing another human being.  Just look at the weapons prisoner make and conceal in the most closely guarded prisons.  It's easy to kill another person with your bare hands.   

  With all of the Millions and Million of dollars spent by the government to stop terrorism, you are not going to stop the lone killer, especially one who is willing to commit suicide.  Since the beginning of time, all through the bible men and women have killed each other.  Look at all of the wars that have happen since the beginning of time.  Killing is in our DNA, it is a part of us as food, water and air.  Push any person far enough and that person can be come a killer.  This is a true fact. 

  But one thing was proved, the manic who killed all of these people at the school couldn't buy a gun at a gun shop.  He had to steal one.

   Tuesday a crazy gunman in a Oregon shopping mall kills 2 and wounded 3.  Saturday after the school killing a crazy gunman shot over 50 bullets at a California mall parking lot.  At this time no one was injured.   

  With over 36 hours of nonstop cable news programs on the massacre on Fox, CNN and MSNBC and all of the other news programs.  I wonder how many other copy cat crazy gunman are going to come out of the woodwork.  Train by the Corporate Media in how and where and what to use to kill people who are not protected without another gun, cop or protection. 

  There couldn't be a safer place to kill people is at a school,  a school ball game, a church.  Anywhere people congregate who don't like guns and won't carry a gun.  Just one safe turkey shoot for a smart but crazy killer.   Shoot until the gun misfires or the killer runs out of ammunition. 

  After all of these news coverage I'll bet money that the Bush Master 223 Rifle will become one big sales item and will increase in price.     Anyone want to bet.   

[The Troll]

  Friday a Cedar Lake, Indiana man was arrested for threatening his to burn his wife to death as she slept and taking his guns to Jane Ball elementary school and killing as many people as he could.  Huh, 

  The cops  took his guns and ammunition worth over a $100,000 and he was arrested for domestic battery, felony intimidation that often used and misused charge of resisting arrest.   

  This seem to be to good to be true.     Anybody want to bet it was not a setup by his wife and the cops.     She wanted to get even and the cops  :police:wanted his guns.     Ask yourself this, why would a gun crazy nut with over $100,000 in guns and ammunition want to wait for his wife to go to sleep so he would burn her to death.  When he could just reach over in a gun case in his house and grab a gun and shoot her.  My case rest.   

  That old saying that if it seems to good to be true, most likely it isn't true.  The jury is out and we will have to see.  Sure seem sneaky   to me. 

  What we need is more 24 hour news coverage of these killing so they can bring all of the crazy nut out from under their rocks.  When will the next shooting happen and where.    NEWS FLASH WE BRING YOU THE NEW TO YOU WHEN EVER IT HAPPENS!  Give me a break. 

[Anne]

I am not sure what could have been done about someone like Adam Lanza. I haven't read anything about him other than being a loner and shy and maybe being mildly autistic. That by itself doesn't seem to be a prediction of violence. He was the right age for the onset of schizophrenia so maybe that is something to consider. He certainly had some kind of a breakdown. I am sure more will come out about this young man over the next few weeks. The last report I read stated he forced himself into the school building by breaking a window. I think it would be very difficult to protect against that type of entry short of bulletproof glass and/or bars on all windows and doors.

The people who were quoted in the article might have been responding to questions asked by the media. They can be really pushy. The landscaper who thought it was strange the mother never asked him to come inside when she paid him I thought was odd. I have never had someone come inside my house like that, so that seemed normal to me. At any rate, I doubt the mother thought her son would do the things he did.

The article was indeed scary and heartbreaking at the same time. There are residential facilities for kids like this but they are few and far between and it sounds like this boy needs that type of treatment.

Stories are coming out now about the adults and how they tried to stop the shooter. They were brave quick thinking people.

[The Troll]

I am not sure what could have been done about someone like Adam Lanza. I haven't read anything about him other than being a loner and shy and maybe being mildly autistic. That by itself doesn't seem to be a prediction of violence. He was the right age for the onset of schizophrenia so maybe that is something to consider. He certainly had some kind of a breakdown. I am sure more will come out about this young man over the next few weeks. The last report I read stated he forced himself into the school building by breaking a window. I think it would be very difficult to protect against that type of entry short of bulletproof glass and/or bars on all windows and doors.

The people who were quoted in the article might have been responding to questions asked by the media. They can be really pushy. The landscaper who thought it was strange the mother never asked him to come inside when she paid him I thought was odd. I have never had someone come inside my house like that, so that seemed normal to me. At any rate, I doubt the mother thought her son would do the things he did.

The article was indeed scary and heartbreaking at the same time. There are residential facilities for kids like this but they are few and far between and it sounds like this boy needs that type of treatment.

Stories are coming out now about the adults and how they tried to stop the shooter. They were brave quick thinking people.

   What is so odd about not letting everyone into your home.  There is a lot of people who has not been in my house.  Especially after a worker for a roofer we let in to use the bathroom and stole some checks out of our check book and cashed them and left the state.   

  I also wonder, what would have happened if the adults at the school had let him come in when he was unarmed the day before he came back and killed everybody.      Maybe speculating like all of the talking head have speculated about everything.  If they had been a little more understanding and kinder he might not have come back with a grudge.  Just speculating.   

[The Troll]

  What a shame, what a damn shame.  We not only have to worry about the criminally insane people killing us we have to worry about the damn killer cops with their 15 round Glock 9mm automatic pistols killing us.

  According to Thomas J. Sheeran Associated Press.  Two black men were chased down by 30 police cars and were shot to death in 137 round shooting spree by the police.  Killing the driver with 23 shots and the passenger with 24 shots.

  What cause it, the two murdered men were traveling down the road pass a cop the opposite direction when the  cop said he thought he heard a gun shot.  He made a U-Turn and started chasing the car while calling other cops about the gun fire.

  At the end of the chase the "cops say"    that the car made a pass at a cop on foot and forced the cops to defend themselves by shooting the people in the car as they thought the men must be armed.  Why the men didn't stop and why a gun of any kind could not be found.  These two black men had 49 bullets in them, out of 137 bullets fired.  Poor shooting I would say, hitting the target 1/3 of the time.    Ammunition must be cheap and why not it helps to get the guns broke in.   

  What gets me is how some hard of hearing cop and make the action he made and the adrenalin of the chase and the hunt of the quarry can lead to such stupidity of murdering two men by "HIGH TRAINED" cops. Barnie Fife's I would say.  This type of killing are happening all over the country and seem to be a common thing, each and every day somewhere here in the United States, killing citizens in large numbers.  The cops have to much power over our lives and should be accountable for such crimes.   We need cops, but not killer cops.  Shoot first and ask questions later.

  Just this week a cop was convicted of beating a college student.  The court found him guilty and sentenced him to one year.  But the judge cut the the time to one week in home detention.     If the judges and the lawyers didn't have the cops to bring them business they would have hard times.     These cops are getting to be just like a Outlaw Motorcycle gang. 

[Palehorse]

http://www.wthr.com/story/20366368/newtown-massacre-prompts-national-discussion-on-mental-illness?Clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass

The story we posted here in this topic about the mother of the 13 year old, has made the local news coverage in central Indiana.

[The Troll]

http://www.wthr.com/story/20366368/newtown-massacre-prompts-national-discussion-on-mental-illness?Clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass

The story we posted here in this topic about the mother of the 13 year old, has made the local news coverage in central Indiana.

  Every since the shooting there has be 24 hour news coverage of the massacre.     The news media are trying to make the news and the laws about guns.   

  The news organizations are to report the news not make news and laws.   

[Henry Hawk]

Removing guns from our society will not prevent what happened to Sandy Hook Elementary......

[Locutus]

Removing guns from our society will not prevent what happened to Sandy Hook Elementary......

I'm sort of with you on this.  The whole gun control issue butts up against the Second Amendment anyway, so that conversation is probably going to be moot unless they reinstate the assault weapons ban.  An outright ban on guns wouldn't pass constitutional muster in any court in the land, so I don't know why people are so up in arms about someone taking their guns away. 

That said, I would personally like more programs on the state and federal level directed to help people like the poor mother in that article Palehorse shared a few posts ago.  If you haven't read it, I would encourage you to do so.  That woman knows both she and her son are in trouble, but they can't get any help.  The system doesn't care.

She knows very well that her son, based on his current behavior, may just be the one we're reading about who's committed some future atrocity.  The signs are there, and she sees them.  There are countless others, all around the country, who are in similar circumstances, but can't get help.

That's where every resource we can provide needs to be directed.  These kids with mental health issues do show signs, and they're recognized by those close to them who don't bury their heads in the sand and ignore them.  They need help desperately.  Until we as a society find a way to effectively provide it, we're going to see more carnage.

[Locutus]

Here's a link to the article in case you missed it the first time.  Read it, and then read it again.

http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother