Another East Coast Mass Shooting Incident

[The Troll]

Um, I think you'd better think again about who's asking for more gun control Troll.

  The rich will always have gun to protect them.  Just look at England, look at Australia, look a Russia.  Would the rich like to see the gun taken away from the peasants.  Yes.

  And who are the super rich and own the corporations?  Why it is the Super Rich, who want to control the whole world and most of them are Republicans.   

[Palehorse]

The father of Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter Adam Lanza claimed his body last week, a family spokesman said.
Peter Lanza claimed the body Thursday, spokesman Errol Cockfield said. He declined to specify where the body would be buried.

This has to be among the hardest things a parent can be faced with, and I do not envy this man's task or future path. 

[me]

  The rich will always have gun to protect them.  Just look at England, look at Australia, look a Russia.  Would the rich like to see the gun taken away from the peasants.  Yes.

  And who are the super rich and own the corporations?  Why it is the Super Rich, who want to control the whole world and most of them are Republicans.   

Gosh I could have sworn that Feinstine, Obama, and a bunch of other liberals were the ones asking for gun control.

Sens. Feinstein, Graham clash on gun control

   
       
       
       
         


Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) clashed with Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.) on "Fox News Sunday" over gun control proposals.



   House Democrats push on gun control





By Ken Dilanian

December 30, 2012, 1:58 p.m.

If Washington's effort to reach a deal on the "fiscal cliff" looks daunting, just wait for the debate over what to do about mass shootings like the one that killed 20 children and six adults at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) clashed sharply over Feinstein's proposal to ban military-style assault weapons.

"The question comes, what do we do about the growing sophistication of military weapons on the streets of our cities?" Feinstein said.

"When you have someone walking in and slaying, in the most brutal way, 6-year olds, something is really wrong," said Feinstein, who has made gun control a key issue since her days as president of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1978 when her colleague Harvey Milk and the city's mayor, George Moscone, were shot and killed in City Hall by a rival politician.



Feinstein has proposed a prohibition on the type of semi-automatic rifles used in the Newtown shooting and other recent mass killings, adding that her bill would be much tougher than the loophole-ridden assault weapons ban in place from 1994-2004. Assault rifles already in circulation would remain legal, but the owners would have to register them and become licensed. Her bill also would ban high-capacity magazines.

Limiting guns is precisely the wrong answer, Graham responded.

Crime is at record lows in part because guns are more widespread than ever, he said. He endorsed the proposal by the National Rifle Assn. to put armed guards in every school. He said he owns an AR-15, the type of semi-automatic rifled used by Adam Lanza in the Newtown school shooting.

"What she is proposing is a massive intervention," Graham said. "Gun sales are up, and crime is down.  You're not going to be able to stop mass murderers with no criminal record just by taking my AR-15 and making me pay $200 and get my fingerprints and say I can't buy another one.

"The best solution to protect children is to have somebody there to stop the shooter, not get everybody's gun in the country."

Feinstein responded that there was an armed guard at Columbine High School in 1999, but he was unable to "stop the shooters," Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, who killed 15 people and wounded 23.

Appearing on NBC's "Meet the Press," President Obama, who supports an assault weapons ban, said such measures could only be enacted if the public puts pressure on Congress.

"We're not going to get this done unless the American people decide it's important," Obama said.

"And so this is not going to be simply a matter of me spending political capital," Obama said. "One of the things that you learn, having now been in this office for four years, is the old adage of Abraham Lincoln's -- that with public opinion there's nothing you can't do and without public opinion there's very little you can get done in this town."

Obama said he would make a series of proposals and put "my full weight behind it ... but ultimately the way this is going to happen is because the American people say, 'That's right. We are willing to make different choices for the country and we support those in Congress who are willing to take those actions.' And will there be resistance? Absolutely there will be resistance."

The day of the Newtown shootings, he said, "was the worst day of my presidency."

But the question is "whether we are actually shook up enough by what happened here that it does not just become another one of these routine episodes where it gets a lot of attention for a couple of weeks and then it drifts away." 

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-feinstein-graham-newtown-gun-control-20121230,0,5949953.story

[libby]

The father of Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter Adam Lanza claimed his body last week, a family spokesman said.
Peter Lanza claimed the body Thursday, spokesman Errol Cockfield said. He declined to specify where the body would be buried.

This has to be among the hardest things a parent can be faced with, and I do not envy this man's task or future path.   

To lose a child is devastating, but under such awful circumstances, it's hard to imagine the torment he must be going through. If he's a typical parent, he will think back about his innocent little boy and wonder where he went wrong, how he could've missed the signs or misinterpreted them. He will think about how he could've done more, found more time to be with him as he grew older, especially after the divorce.

My son passed away suddenly 5 years ago. I could not bear to think about it for at least three years, and if not for devoted family and friends, especially one dear friend, I do not know what I would've done. Even now it is hard for me to think back and remember. I was a devoted and loving parent; some family thought I "spoiled" him, but I keep thinking of things I could have done, or not done, or said or not said. And the dreams. Mostly dreams about being lost. I wandered around, in strange and familiar places, in the jungle, or on the side of a mountain with no one in sight.

[Locutus]

I'm sorry for your loss libby, but I'm glad you had at least one true friend to help you find your way through the darkness. 

[libby]

I'm sorry for your loss libby, but I'm glad you had at least one true friend to help you find your way through the darkness.

Thank you, Locutus.

[Palehorse]

To lose a child is devastating, but under such awful circumstances, it's hard to imagine the torment he must be going through. If he's a typical parent, he will think back about his innocent little boy and wonder where he went wrong, how he could've missed the signs or misinterpreted them. He will think about how he could've done more, found more time to be with him as he grew older, especially after the divorce.

My son passed away suddenly 5 years ago. I could not bear to think about it for at least three years, and if not for devoted family and friends, especially one dear friend, I do not know what I would've done. Even now it is hard for me to think back and remember. I was a devoted and loving parent; some family thought I "spoiled" him, but I keep thinking of things I could have done, or not done, or said or not said. And the dreams. Mostly dreams about being lost. I wandered around, in strange and familiar places, in the jungle, or on the side of a mountain with no one in sight.

One never gets over the loss of a child. The pain never goes away, or "gets' better". You just learn to accept it and how to deal with the pain of loss.

Unfortunately I know about this all too well. . . And I too have traveled the path of what if, could have, should have; for 25 years, and knowing all along the way that traveling that path serves no useful purpose and will lead to nothing good. But each year on the anniversary of my own child's death, I find the feet of my spirit upon one or more of those paths none-the-less.

I extend to you my greatest and heartfelt sympathy on your loss Libby, and my unwavering support as you travel life's path carrying such a burden. Eventually you will come to terms with it and move toward acceptance. We cannot change what transpired in the past, and must resolve to move forward and make the best of what remains of our own lives. It is what our departed loved ones would want for us, and expect from us, and we must do everything we can to avoid disappointing them in this.

Even 25 years later I still experience days of darkness, sorrow, and regret. But I've got better at dealing with them, and so will you my friend!

[libby]

One never gets over the loss of a child. The pain never goes away, or "gets' better". You just learn to accept it and how to deal with the pain of loss.

Unfortunately I know about this all too well. . . And I too have traveled the path of what if, could have, should have; for 25 years, and knowing all along the way that traveling that path serves no useful purpose and will lead to nothing good. But each year on the anniversary of my own child's death, I find the feet of my spirit upon one or more of those paths none-the-less.

I extend to you my greatest and heartfelt sympathy on your loss Libby, and my unwavering support as you travel life's path carrying such a burden. Eventually you will come to terms with it and move toward acceptance. We cannot change what transpired in the past, and must resolve to move forward and make the best of what remains of our own lives. It is what our departed loved ones would want for us, and expect from us, and we must do everything we can to avoid disappointing them in this.

Even 25 years later I still experience days of darkness, sorrow, and regret. But I've got better at dealing with them, and so will you my friend!

Thank you, Palehorse, for those kind and eloquent words.

[Palehorse]

Thank you, Palehorse, for those kind and eloquent words.

No, it is I who thank you for your courage in sharing your experience with us here.

One can never know the pain that comes with the loss of a child unless they have experienced it. And I would not wish that upon my worst enemy in the world. Ever. 

It is the closest thing to hell on earth in my opinion, and it will ruin your life if you let it. And at times it can appear so much easier to let it. . .   

[libby]

No, it is I who thank you for your courage in sharing your experience with us here.

One can never know the pain that comes with the loss of a child unless they have experienced it. And I would not wish that upon my worst enemy in the world. Ever. 

It is the closest thing to hell on earth in my opinion, and it will ruin your life if you let it. And at times it can appear so much easier to let it. . . 

Yes.  Sometimes it's the little things that hurt the most. My son loved a simple but delicious carrot/ginger soup I found the recipe for in Bon Appetit. On the day before he died, he seemed tired and weary, and I, as I went out the door to run to the store, asked if he'd like some of the soup, and he smiled and said "Yes!"  But when I got back, he was upstairs asleep and I didn't want to wake him up. He died the next morning -- and although I have moved on and can talk about it now, I have never again been able to make that soup.

[Henry Hawk]

To lose a child is devastating, but under such awful circumstances, it's hard to imagine the torment he must be going through. If he's a typical parent, he will think back about his innocent little boy and wonder where he went wrong, how he could've missed the signs or misinterpreted them. He will think about how he could've done more, found more time to be with him as he grew older, especially after the divorce.

My son passed away suddenly 5 years ago. I could not bear to think about it for at least three years, and if not for devoted family and friends, especially one dear friend, I do not know what I would've done. Even now it is hard for me to think back and remember. I was a devoted and loving parent; some family thought I "spoiled" him, but I keep thinking of things I could have done, or not done, or said or not said. And the dreams. Mostly dreams about being lost. I wandered around, in strange and familiar places, in the jungle, or on the side of a mountain with no one in sight.

Libby, I some how passed over this, but I could ONLY imagine, and I shutter at the thought of going through such an ordeal...As PH said, not something I would wish on my worst enemy......My heart goes out to you. 

[libby]

Libby, I some how passed over this, but I could ONLY imagine, and I shutter at the thought of going through such an ordeal...As PH said, not something I would wish on my worst enemy......My heart goes out to you.

Thank you for your kind words, HH.

[Anne]

Libby, I am so sorry about your son. Two of our grandchildren were killed nine years ago New Years Day. They were our first and the ones we were closest to and we were devestated. I didn't know if my daughter would ever smile again. The what ifs are terrible. I'm glad you had family and friends supporting you.

[libby]

Thank you Anne.

I thought of you this morning when I looked at the Washington Post -- I think you said your daughter lives in Tysons Corner -- there's a front page article about the area and the big changes coming, including that it's going to be called Tysons -- no more Corner -- and they're getting rid of a lot of parking areas, but I guess the most important thing is that rail is going to/thru. To me that means subway, and that is great. It will make a huge difference. You may already know that, but it was news to me.

[Locutus]

For anyone who missed it, here is Alex Jones having a complete and total meltdown on Piers Morgan's show last night.  I was watching the football game, so I had to find it online.  The guy is fucking idiot.

Parts 1 and 2:

http://www.youtube.com/v/AtyKofFih8Y


http://www.youtube.com/v/m5myV_-2XjI