US ambassador and three others confirmed killed and embassy burned last night. Embassy in Egypt attacked. What should be our response? I really don't know what to think. Anyone else have any feelings/thoughts?
Quote from: Anne on September 12, 2012, 07:44:51 AM
US ambassador and three others confirmed killed and embassy burned last night. Embassy in Egypt attacked. What should be our response? I really don't know what to think. Anyone else have any feelings/thoughts?
We need to stop all monetary funding immediatly and remove all Americans in Egypt and Libya, and remind ALL other countries, we will not tolerate any violent acts against our citizens. We have ZERO need to apologize for anything.
Nobody apologized for anything; this is just more religious bullshit.
The United States is getting ready to send Egypt a Billion dollars. Even as bad off as we are the government is going to send the Ragheads One Billion Dollars!
I say no money until the embassy is rebuilt to our specifications and each family members are given big dollars for their deaths. Until that is done no money and no recognition. :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on September 12, 2012, 10:39:40 AM
The United States is getting ready to send Egypt a Billion dollars. Even as bad off as we are the government is going to send the Ragheads One Billion Dollars!
I say no money until the embassy is rebuilt to our specifications and each family members are given big dollars for their deaths. Until that is done no money and no recognition. :yes:
Right on my Liberal, Union Bro! (we CAN agree on some things... ;D )
The film that sparked this mess was created by Sam Bacile, a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew. We are being manipulated into war by pro Israel extremists; this film was released to provoke attacks against US embassies in the middle east to get the US to be more agreeable to Israeli plans to attack Iran.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 12, 2012, 11:14:24 AM
The film that sparked this mess was created by Sam Bacile, a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew. We are being manipulated into war by pro Israel extremists; this film was released to provoke attacks against US embassies in the middle east to get the US to be more agreeable to Israeli plans to attack Iran.
Despite the idiocy of the film, does not give the green light of violence upon our embassy....it is merely an excuse by radical islamic muslims to advocat violence against America.....ironically on 9/11.
No, it is specifically intended to incite radical islamic Muslims to advocate violence against the U.S. You're being played.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 12, 2012, 11:39:47 AM
No, it is specifically intended to incite radical islamic Muslims to advocate violence against the U.S. You're being played.
How am I being "played". It IS what it IS. Are you suggesting we ignor what just happened? (serious question)
Are you suggesting that we nuke Libya?
Quote from: Exterminator on September 12, 2012, 11:14:24 AM
The film that sparked this mess was created by Sam Bacile, a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew. We are being manipulated into war by pro Israel extremists; this film was released to provoke attacks against US embassies in the middle east to get the US to be more agreeable to Israeli plans to attack Iran.
Now this is a hypothetical plan. If we would be so stupid to do to war with Iran. Why don't we wait until the Iranians have a great big meeting where all of the government leaders and all of the religious leaders get together. The buildings of the Iranian Home Guard, nucular plants. These people, war making buildings are the real problem we have with Iran not the Iranian people. We don't destroy the Iranians cities. :yes: We cut of the head off of the snake, the head of the cabbage. :yes: :biggrin:
We send a fleet of 100 cruse missiles with 20 thousand pound warheads on them and send them in at the same time on this building. :haha: As Mao Zedong said, "to kill a cabbage you first have to cut off it's head". To win a quick war over Iran, you first have to cut off the heads of the military and religious leaders. Once you do that the young Iranians will go for freedom and peace. These young people yearn for freedom from the religious oppressors. :trustme:
Oh you say, that is too cruel, not so. If we were willing to go to war with Russia and drop hundreds of atomic bombs on them and kill millions and millions of Russian people who were not a war with America, why can't we kill the snakes at the head of the Iranian government.
With no loss of one American, we don't spent a trillion dollars doing it and we wipe out a nest of vipers. :rant: We would remove one more cancer off the face of the earth. What do you think the Iranian leader would do if they knew we were willing to do this. Well, for one thing they would shit their pants. :haha:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 12, 2012, 11:52:22 AM
Are you suggesting that we nuke Libya?
How did you come to that conclusion? Where did I ever indicate NUKING Libya?
You seemed to have some plan of action in mind. I think what we are doing is what we always have done...the FBI will go there and eventually find those directly responsible who will then be tried and put to death by the Libyan government. No one is "ignoring" anything.
That notwithstanding, the pupose of this film was clearly to incite the type of violence it did. They knew beforehand that it would and the coward that made it immediately went into hiding after releasing the trailer. In my opinion, he should be arrested and tried for inciting the anti-U.S. sentiment that resulted in the loss of our embassy personnel.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 12, 2012, 12:15:58 PM
You seemed to have some plan of action in mind. I think what we are doing is what we always have done...the FBI will go there and eventually find those directly responsible who will then be tried and put to death by the Libyan government. No one is "ignoring" anything.
That notwithstanding, the pupose of this film was clearly to incite the type of violence it did. They knew beforehand that it would and the coward that made it immediately went into hiding after releasing the trailer. In my opinion, he should be arrested and tried for inciting the anti-U.S. sentiment that resulted in the loss of our embassy personnel.
The movie is nothing more than a mere excuse for those who killed Christopher Stevens........despite the idiocy of the film, there IS something called freedom of speech that we have here. That is my 2 cents.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 12, 2012, 12:15:58 PM
That notwithstanding, the pupose of this film was clearly to incite the type of violence it did. They knew beforehand that it would and the coward that made it immediately went into hiding after releasing the trailer. In my opinion, he should be arrested and tried for inciting the anti-U.S. sentiment that resulted in the loss of our embassy personnel.
I think the President said it well in his remarks this morning. We reject any denigration of anyone's religion. But we have that sticky little First Amendment thingy.
Keep in mind that I haven't seen the film. Probably never will.
But if we have to hold our tongues to satisfy extremism, then cut mine out.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 12, 2012, 12:19:26 PM
The movie is nothing more than a mere excuse for those who killed Christopher Stevens........despite the idiocy of the film, there IS something called freedom of speech that we have here. That is my :2cents:
I made a little change. :biggrin:
Quote from: Olias on September 12, 2012, 12:24:55 PM
I think the President said it well in his remarks this morning. We reject any denigration of anyone's religion. But we have that sticky little First Amendment thingy.
Keep in mind that I haven't seen the film. Probably never will.
But if we have to hold our tongues to satisfy extremism, then cut mine out.
Here's the trailer and yes, it's pretty stupid. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmodVun16Q4&feature=youtu.be)
I'm not arguing against freedom of speech nor am I suggesting that the radicals in Libya were justified in attacking our embassy. What I am suggesting is that it is only a matter of time before Israel attacks Iran, a move that currently had tepid support at best here in the U.S. This film, however, by inciting violence against U.S. interests, will increase support for an Israeli attack by fueling anti-Muslim sentiment here. It seems pretty obvious what the intent is and it wasn't to make a movie that people would want to watch.
Has Libya or Egypt's government condemned this? :confused:
I have not heard any....
WHAT AN ASSHOLE ......
Romney on Tuesday night accused the Obama administration of sympathizing with the protesters who attacked the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. At the time of his statement, U.S. officials had confirmed that one American had been killed in Benghazi. Wednesday morning, the White House announced that Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were killed.
But the embassy statement that Romney was criticizing was issued before the protests in Egypt and before the Benghazi attack.
This whole conversation belongs on the "God Sucks" thread, and is further evidence of why we're doomed unless we can cast off beliefs in these deeply ingrained fairy tales, including the Christians. These kind of beliefs are the vilest of memes ever visited on humankind. Religion has long been used to incite division and hatred, and this is just the latest example of such.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 12, 2012, 12:45:57 PM
Has Libya or Egypt's government condemned this? :confused:
I have not heard any....
Yes. Libya's government specifically has condemned it, apologized profusely to the U.S. and to do whatever is possible to bring those responsible to justice.
In Egypt there are really just protests.
Quote from: Locutus on September 12, 2012, 12:55:14 PM
This whole conversation belongs on the "God Sucks" thread, and is further evidence of why we're doomed unless we can cast off beliefs in these deeply ingrained fairy tales, including the Christians. These kind of beliefs are the vilest of memes ever visited on humankind. Religion has long been used to incite division and hatred, and this is just the latest example of such.
Exactly.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 12, 2012, 12:36:08 PM
Here's the trailer and yes, it's pretty stupid. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmodVun16Q4&feature=youtu.be)
And even more stupid are the comments on that video. Did you read any of them? Absolutely pathetic. If anyone wants an example of the hatred that religion spawns, just read some of those comments.
Ummm, I didn't start this particular thread, I asked this question in random comments. I would not have titled it this way. What I wonder, where were the Libyan police/troops who are supposed to protect a foreign embassy (this goes for Egypt, too). If a country is unable or unwilling to protect an embassy I think they should be better protected by the embassy's military and not be afraid to shoot or the embassy should not be there in the first place. What should we do now, Henry said we should stop sending money, that might be a start and even an encouragement to the governments to better protect an embassy. Do we just let it go or is there something else we should do?
Here is the Wikipedia article on the film. I can't believe it took 5 million dollars to make that piece of crap.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims
Quote from: Olias on September 12, 2012, 12:53:17 PM
WHAT AN ASSHOLE ......
Romney on Tuesday night accused the Obama administration of sympathizing with the protesters who attacked the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. At the time of his statement, U.S. officials had confirmed that one American had been killed in Benghazi. Wednesday morning, the White House announced that Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were killed.
But the embassy statement that Romney was criticizing was issued before the protests in Egypt and before the Benghazi attack.
Romney is a god damn fool. He will say anything to win. When will the Republicans realize that they a elected a Republican candidate that is nothing but a empty white shirt with no morals. How would a person make so much money so fast if he was a lair and a thief. Henry he's your guy and you're always right. :haha:
Are you all saying that because the film was made in the US we should give these guys a pass, that it was somehow our fault?
All religious group and I do mean all are Bat Shit Crazy. That's my :2cents:
Quote from: Anne on September 12, 2012, 01:44:37 PM
Are you all saying that because the film was made in the US we should give these guys a pass, that it was somehow our fault?
I don't think anyone has said that. Exterminator said it best when he said that the makers of the film acted with the dubious intention of shoring up support for Israel in the United States, and that Bacile knew full well what the results of the film would be before it was even made.
Quote from: The Troll on September 12, 2012, 01:46:03 PM
All religious group and I do mean all are Bat Shit Crazy. That's my :2cents:
Yep! 100% correct.
Quote from: Anne on September 12, 2012, 01:37:07 PM
Ummm, I didn't start this particular thread, I asked this question in random comments. I would not have titled it this way. What I wonder, where were the Libyan police/troops who are supposed to protect a foreign embassy (this goes for Egypt, too). If a country is unable or unwilling to protect an embassy I think they should be better protected by the embassy's military and not be afraid to shoot or the embassy should not be there in the first place. What should we do now, Henry said we should stop sending money, that might be a start and even an encouragement to the governments to better protect an embassy. Do we just let it go or is there something else we should do?
I think you had better wait and get a full accounting of the events before you start throwing accusations. President Obama said in his remarks this morning that Libyan police and troops fought along side our personnel. And he also said in no uncertain terms that the perps would be brought to justice.
I think the title of this thread is a false setting for what really happened. The movie did NOT incite the violence....it may be an excuse for the violence. Those who did this, HATE America, period. As much as I may detest that movie, I still stand behind our rights to make that movie, and am not inclined to make any apologies to any country who thinks it is wrong.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 12, 2012, 03:01:34 PM
I think the title of this thread is a false setting for what really happened. The movie did NOT incite the violence....it may be an excuse for the violence. Those who did this, HATE America, period. As much as I may detest that movie, I still stand behind our rights to make that movie, and am not inclined to make any apologies to any country who thinks it is wrong.
No one has apologized.
No one has apologized.
No one has apologized.
No one has apologized.
No one has apologized.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 12, 2012, 03:01:34 PM
I think the title of this thread is a false setting for what really happened. The movie did NOT incite the violence....it may be an excuse for the violence. Those who did this, HATE America, period. As much as I may detest that movie, I still stand behind our rights to make that movie, and am not inclined to make any apologies to any country who thinks it is wrong.
incite- verb (used with object), -cit·ed, -cit·ing.
1.
to stir, encourage, or urge on; stimulate or prompt to action: to incite a crowd to riot.
I'm with Ex on this one. The filmmaker and the donors who supported it knew exactly what the reaction would be. It was made to incite the Muslims and that's exactly what it did.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 12, 2012, 03:01:34 PM
I think the title of this thread is a false setting for what really happened. The movie did NOT incite the violence....it may be an excuse for the violence. Those who did this, HATE America, period. As much as I may detest that movie, I still stand behind our rights to make that movie, and am not inclined to make any apologies to any country who thinks it is wrong.
Question: By chance Henry, did you see the movie in it's entirety? :confused:
Quote from: Locutus on September 12, 2012, 03:27:27 PM
I'm with Ex on this one. The filmmaker and the donors who supported it knew exactly what the reaction would be. It was made to incite the Muslims and that's exactly what it did.
I still would like for our CIA to send a Predator drone out of sight and over the Raghead cities and drop thousand of cartoon of Allah and Mohammed screwing dogs and goats and playing with theiselves. :wink: :smile:
Let the Ragsheads raid and burn everything down. Wait a couple of weeks and do it again. Do it until the bastards are to tired to do it again. :haha:
I know that I could get my rocks off on that. :music1: Screw the magic goat Mohammed. :music1: :rotfl: :rotfl:
CNN is reporting that the Libyan attack came in two waves and was planned in advance. So we may be talking about two topics here. The movie that incited the protests and a well planned attack by a pro-al Qaeda group.
All I know is that Romney's attempt to use American deaths to score political points house really backfired. No one has anything good to say about it: "[Barack Obama's] policies are not responsible for the attacks on our embassy in Cairo and our consulate in Benghazi or the murder of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. The rush to condemn him in the wake of these attacks by Republicans from Mitt Romney to Sarah Palin, and scores of other conservative critics for policies they claim helped precipitate these attacks is as tortured in its reasoning as it is unseemly in its timing."
-- Mark Salter, former chief of staff to Senator John McCain & senior adviser to the McCain for President campaign.
The claim that Obama made any apology is, likewise, an outright lie.
And by the way...the Bush/Cheney administration condemned European caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in 2006, saying, ''We find them offensive, and we certainly understand why Muslims would find these images offensive.''
Romney is an idiot. Every time he opens his mouth, he comes across as a clueless jackass. We're not the only ones that think that way either. From CNN:
Voters consistently say in polls that Obama would better handle America's relationships with other countries if re-elected. In the latest CNN/ORC International survey released earlier this week, President Barack Obama had a 54%-42% advantage over Romney on foreign policy.
Just think the Republicans of the Republican Party voted unanimous to make Mitt Romney their candidate for the president of the United States of America. :doh.
Also "ME" and the Hawk are willing to hold their noses, close their eyes :eye: and vote for this idiot. You know, it sorta of makes me doubt their thinking and their reasoning powers. Getting ready :shots: to vote for Romney and Ryan and voting for them is an act of treason. :trustme: :zoners:
According to the reports I heard, the ones in Egypt "faded away". I also read somewhere that the attack in Libya was well planned and the movie was only an excuse to make it acceptable. As far as the Libyan police fighting to protect the consulate (I misstated earlier that it was an embassy) they didn't do a very good job, did they? We may never know all the facts.
Quote from: The Troll on September 12, 2012, 05:42:22 PM
Also "ME" and the Hawk are willing to hold their noses, close their eyes :eye: and vote for this idiot.
...because he's white. Their arguments about policy, especially when he is not forthcoming about revealing anything whatsoever about what his might be, is bullshit and sounds more ridiculous with each passing day.
Quote from: Anne on September 12, 2012, 10:36:59 PM
According to the reports I heard, the ones in Egypt "faded away". I also read somewhere that the attack in Libya was well planned and the movie was only an excuse to make it acceptable. As far as the Libyan police fighting to protect the consulate (I misstated earlier that it was an embassy) they didn't do a very good job, did they? We may never know all the facts.
They haven't faded at all. In fact, they've become worse.
"Cairo (CNN) -- Riot police fired warning shots and tear gas Thursday outside the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to keep hundreds of protesters away from the building's perimeter, witnesses said.
Six police officers suffered minor injuries during the clashes, said Alla Mahmoud, a spokesman for the Egyptian Interior Ministry. Some protesters received medical treatment inside ambulances.
Demonstrators threw rocks and Molotov cocktails as police tried to disperse them by firing tear gas canisters from police vehicles as they drove through Tahrir Square, near the embassy."http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/meast/egypt-us-embassy-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Quote from: Locutus on September 12, 2012, 03:42:33 PM
CNN is reporting that the Libyan attack came in two waves and was planned in advance. So we may be talking about two topics here. The movie that incited the protests and a well planned attack by a pro-al Qaeda group.
I'm going more with a well planned attack by pro-al Qaeda group, it is NOT a coincidence that they happened on 9-11. THAT is what I was talking about disagreeing with the title of the thread.
It has now spread to Yemen. It appears the title of the thread is very appropriate for what's going on. While the first incident may have been a well planned attack, the ones in Egypt, and now Yemen, are clearly in response to the film.
And now more is coming out. I told you this whole conversation belongs on the God Sucks thread. If this is true, it appears Christian extremists may be behind the film and that Bacile may be an alias.
"Innocence of Muslims" -- the crude and provocative anti-Islam film blamed for a wave of deadly violence against U.S. diplomatic outposts -- was promoted by a small band of Christian extremists, according to reports, but the true identity of its director remained unclear.
A trailer for the amateurish film, posted on YouTube in July and later reposted after being translated into Arabic, portrays Muhammad, believed by Muslims to be God's prophet, as a womanizer, a homosexual and a child abuser. A man who said his name was "Sam Bacile" claimed to have made the film in an interview on Tuesday.
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However, there were strong indications on Thursday that "Sam Bacile" is an alias and that the film, tied to U.S.-based Christians with extreme anti-Islamic views, was produced on a low budget in southern California using actors apparently unaware of the film's ultimate purpose.
Not Israeli, 'likely not Jewish'
The Atlantic quoted a man reported by the AP to be a consultant on the film, Steve Klein, as saying that "Bacile" is a pseudonym and that the filmmaker "is not Israeli and most likely not Jewish."
Klein, a self-described militant Christian activist in Riverside, Calif., told the Atlantic he doesn't know the man's real name and indicated that the film maker contacted him because Klein leads anti-Islam protests outside mosques and schools.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/13/13842406-reports-anti-islam-video-linked-to-christian-extremists-in-us?lite
Quote from: Locutus on September 13, 2012, 11:00:12 AM
It has now spread to Yemen. It appears the title of the thread is very appropriate for what's going on. While the first incident may have been a well planned attack, the ones in Egypt, and now Yemen, are clearly in response to the film.
Or could it be that they are just feeding off of that first act of violence.......In my opinion, it makes zero difference as to why they are doing, but they ARE doing it, and we need to make it very clear, we will not tolerate it.....despite their reason.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 13, 2012, 11:25:49 AM
Or could it be that they are just feeding off of that first act of violence.......In my opinion, it makes zero difference as to why they are doing, but they ARE doing it, and we need to make it very clear, we will not tolerate it.....despite their reason.
Just like I said Henry, Kill all of the Raghead bastards. :hunt: :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on September 13, 2012, 11:20:09 AM
However, there were strong indications on Thursday that "Sam Bacile" is an alias and that the film, tied to U.S.-based Christians with extreme anti-Islamic views, was produced on a low budget in southern California using actors apparently unaware of the film's ultimate purpose.
So. the entire incident is the fault of lying, hypocritcal christian cowards...how typical.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 13, 2012, 12:09:24 PM
So. the entire incident is the fault of lying, hypocritcal christian cowards...how typical.
You surely are joking about the far right Christians? :haha: :haha: :pope: :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 13, 2012, 12:09:24 PM
So. the entire incident is the fault of lying, hypocritcal christian cowards...
..... who blamed it on the Jews.
No statement of what's going on sums it up any better than Ex did right here:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 12, 2012, 10:21:28 AM
Nobody apologized for anything; this is just more religious bullshit.
Quote from: Locutus on September 13, 2012, 12:37:40 PM
..... who blamed it on the Jews.
Yes, that's the lying part; the hypocrisy piece is their total disregard of what is supposed to be one of the fundamental tenets of their religion to love and respect their fellow man and the cowardice speaks for itself.
amazingly clueless.. :rolleyes:
A Libyan official said Thursday that the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was a planned, two-part operation that included a raid on a supposedly secret safe house.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/consulate-attack-planned-as-2-part-militant-assault-libyan-official-says/#ixzz26NA2STna (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/consulate-attack-planned-as-2-part-militant-assault-libyan-official-says/#ixzz26NA2STna)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 13, 2012, 01:38:46 PM
A Libyan official said Thursday that the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was a planned, two-part operation that included a raid on a supposedly secret safe house.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/consulate-attack-planned-as-2-part-militant-assault-libyan-official-says/#ixzz26NA2STna (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/consulate-attack-planned-as-2-part-militant-assault-libyan-official-says/#ixzz26NA2STna)
Before you start calling people clueless, you'd best segregate the discussion of the military style attack which does appear planned, and the violence resulting from the movie which is ongoing and spreading.
blaming Christians for this...THAT is clueless
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 13, 2012, 01:47:24 PM
blaming Christians for this...THAT is clueless
Do you have problems reading or something? Reports are today that Christians are behind the film.
The filmmaker who produced an incendiary, anti-Muslim movie that stirred extremists Tuesday to storm the U.S. embassy in Egypt and may be linked to the fatal attack on the U.S. ambassador in Libya may have gone into hiding, as doubts rose as to his true identity.
Following yesterday's riots, a California man calling himself Sam Bacile took credit for making the film "Innocence of the Muslims" and identified himself as an Israeli Jew in two news interviews. In an interview with the Associated Press, he called Islam "a cancer."
But a search of public records and inconsistencies in Bacile's own accounts, as well as information from a radical Christian who helped produced the movie all suggest that "Sam Bacile" is a pseudonym and is not Israeli but an Arab Christian.
"I've met him twice. He is not a citizen of Israel. He is in hiding," Steve Klein, a member of a far-right anti-Islamic Christian group who says he helped with the film's production, told ABC News.
Klein said Bacile was not Israeli or Jewish, and suggested he was an Arab Christian who was a U.S. citizen.
Three U.S. Christian groups, including two identified as hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Council, and a third that advocates for Egyptian Christians, or Copts, have been linked to the production or eventual distribution of the movie.http://abcnews.go.com/US/sam-bacile-anti-islam-filmmakers-bio-add/story?id=17222103#.UFIc3EKifoE
"no doubt" it was a planned attack and had nothing to do with the film.
"It was a coordinated, military-style, commando-type raid," House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers said. Based on his own briefings, Rogers said "military movements" were involved.
"This was a well- planned, well-targeted event. No doubt about it," Rogers said. He said the Al Qaeda-linked Imprisoned Omar Abdul Rahman Brigades is one group being looked at by officials.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/consulate-attack-planned-as-2-part-militant-assault-libyan-official-says/#ixzz26NDuxME9 (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/consulate-attack-planned-as-2-part-militant-assault-libyan-official-says/#ixzz26NDuxME9)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 13, 2012, 01:55:12 PM
"no doubt" it was a planned attack and had nothing to do with the film.
"It was a coordinated, military-style, commando-type raid," House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers said. Based on his own briefings, Rogers said "military movements" were involved.
"This was a well- planned, well-targeted event. No doubt about it," Rogers said. He said the Al Qaeda-linked Imprisoned Omar Abdul Rahman Brigades is one group being looked at by officials.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/consulate-attack-planned-as-2-part-militant-assault-libyan-official-says/#ixzz26NDuxME9 (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/consulate-attack-planned-as-2-part-militant-assault-libyan-official-says/#ixzz26NDuxME9)
Like I said, segregate what each post is referencing. I don't think anyone here is denying the fact that the assault on the consulate in Libya was planned, but there is also violence resulting from the film that is currently ongoing and spreading. It now appears that the film was made by Christians and blamed on the Jews, and that no such person named Bacile even exists.
Quote from: Locutus on September 13, 2012, 01:58:57 PM
It now appears that the film was made by Christians and blamed on the Jews, and that no such person named Bacile even exists.
Apparently Fox news hasn't yet fed that little tidbit to Henry. And we're the ones who are clueless... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 13, 2012, 02:00:42 PM
Apparently Fox news hasn't yet fed that little tidbit to Henry. And we're the ones who are clueless... :rolleyes:
Damn!! All it takes is an ability to read what we're posting which is supported by the links. Unfortunately, even that seems lacking. :wall:
what part of "no doubt" it was a planned attack and had nothing to do with the film." don't you understand?
You say "I" am lacking the ability to read? :spooked:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 13, 2012, 02:27:50 PM
what part of "no doubt" it was a planned attack and had nothing to do with the film." don't you understand?
You say "I" am lacking the ability to read? :spooked:
I'm going to have to try Olias' technique.
---VVV
Segregate the discussion between the planned attack and the violence resulting from the film.
Segregate the discussion between the planned attack and the violence resulting from the film.
Segregate the discussion between the planned attack and the violence resulting from the film.
Segregate the discussion between the planned attack and the violence resulting from the film.
Segregate the discussion between the planned attack and the violence resulting from the film.
Segregate the discussion between the planned attack and the violence resulting from the film.
:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:
Also HH, if you would bother to read, I was one of the first ones that acknowledged that the attack in Libya was planned in advance. Appears that the problem with reading and comprehension is on your end. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on September 12, 2012, 03:42:33 PM
CNN is reporting that the Libyan attack came in two waves and was planned in advance. So we may be talking about two topics here. The movie that incited the protests and a well planned attack by a pro-al Qaeda group.
Quote from: Locutus on September 13, 2012, 02:37:12 PM
I'm going to have to try Olias' technique.
---VVV
Segregate the discussion between the planned attack and the violence resulting from the film.
Segregate the discussion between the planned attack and the violence resulting from the film.
Segregate the discussion between the planned attack and the violence resulting from the film.
Segregate the discussion between the planned attack and the violence resulting from the film.
Segregate the discussion between the planned attack and the violence resulting from the film.
Segregate the discussion between the planned attack and the violence resulting from the film.
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 13, 2012, 02:43:20 PM
and YOU do the same
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I did. See this? ------V
Quote from: Locutus on September 12, 2012, 03:42:33 PM
CNN is reporting that the Libyan attack came in two waves and was planned in advance. So we may be talking about two topics here. The movie that incited the protests and a well planned attack by a pro-al Qaeda group.
^---- Right there. :wall:
Quote from: Locutus on September 13, 2012, 02:42:55 PM
Also HH, if you would bother to read, I was one of the first ones that acknowledged that the attack in Libya was planned in advance. Appears that the problem with reading and comprehension is on your end. :wink:
and I am saying, based upon what I have read, the movie is just an excuse for the attacks.......the build up has been long coming.
I bet the vast majority of those rioting NEVER saw the movie,...the Al Qaeda used it to fire up the troops.
Quote"A day without sunshine is like, you know, night."
Or it could just mean that you have your head up your ass.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 13, 2012, 02:46:57 PM
Or it could just mean that you have your head up your ass.
Nope, I clearly see what the rest of Americans are clearly seeing....and Nov, I will prove it to you.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 13, 2012, 02:45:38 PM
I bet the vast majority of those rioting NEVER saw the movie,...the Al Qaeda used it to fire up the troops.
I'll give you 50% on that. You're right that most haven't seen the film. The film has actually been on the Internet since July, and it was only after Arab media outlets picked up on it, and put Arabic subtitles on it, that the protests and violence started. The only part of this violence that you can segregate from the film, is the planned attack on the consulate in Benghazi. The rest of this is all film related:
- Russia says it fears "chaos" in the Middle East and Saudi Arabia condemns both the film and the violence
- Iranians chanting anti-US and anti-Israel slogans stage a protest outside the Swiss embassy in the Iranian capital, Tehran, which represents US interests
- Afghan President Hamid Karzai has postponed a planned visit to Norway, fearing violence could erupt in his country
- There were small protests in Bangladesh and Iraq, in addition to Morocco, Sudan and Tunisia
the bottom line is, the HATE America, they don't really need a film to "incite" violence.......
this whole issue has become about a film that was made, and ignoring that riots and violence is continuing.......and those who think that this film is the reason, for centuries worth of violence.......is clueless.
we need to quit pandering over this film, and stand up to this BS. Which Obam IS doing. I will give him credit for that.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 13, 2012, 02:54:31 PM
Nope, I clearly see what the rest of Americans are clearly seeing....and Nov, I will prove it to you.
That's your colon...and you'll still be denying it in November.
Here's who is behind the film. Check out his sordid past.
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Nakoula Basseley Nakoula
According to law enforcement officials on Thursday, Nakoula has been confirmed as the writer and director of Innocence of Muslims. Tracked down Wednesday at his Los Angeles-area home by the Associated Press, the man identified himself as "Nakoula Nakoula." When the AP asked to see his driver's license for confirmation, Nakoula held his thumb over his middle name, "Basseley" — phonetically similar to the "Bacile" pseudonym.
During the interview, Nakoula denied having any connection to or even knowing Bacile, explaining instead that he only managed logistics for the film. But the Associated Press discovered that the cell phone number used by the man who identified himself as Bacile to the press is registered to the same address where a reporter found Nakoula. His other aliases, according to federal court papers, include Nicola Bacily and Erwin Salameh.
Nakoula has a checkered history with the law. According to federal attorneys he was involved in a fraud scheme where he would set up fake bank accounts using stolen Social Security numbers. He would then withdraw money from the accounts and relocate it to other bogus accounts.
In 2010 he was charged with bank fraud, to which he pleaded no contest and was ordered to pay $790,000. He was sentenced to 21 months in a federal prison and banned from using computers or the Internet for five years.
Thursday morning, U.S. law enforcement officials confirmed Nakoula is the filmmaker behind the inflammatory movie that has incited riots in Egypt, Libya and Yemen.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/13/friends-of-sam-bacile-a-whos-who-of-the-innocence-of-muslims-film-project/
Any more doubts that extremist Christians had a hand in this? .....
Terry Jones
Already infamous for his Koran-burning stunts and far-right sentiments, Jones heads the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla. He is known for his vocal anti-Muslim views and is a professed supporter of Innocence of Muslims, although there is no evidence to suggest he was a financial backer or part of its production. He did, however ,screen its trailer on Tuesday, the eleventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, for audience attending his "International Judge Muhammad Day."
In a statement sent to TIME, Jones said, "we have been contacted by the producer of the film to help distribute it."
Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/13/friends-of-sam-bacile-a-whos-who-of-the-innocence-of-muslims-film-project/#ixzz26Nsx8ceX
Quote from: Olias on September 13, 2012, 04:39:52 PM
Any more doubts that extremist Christians had a hand in this? .....
There shouldn't be after all that's come out.
As an aside, I find it particularly despicable that they blamed it on the Jews.
Quote from: Locutus on September 13, 2012, 04:47:06 PM
There shouldn't be after all that's come out.
As an aside, I find it particularly despicable that they blamed it on the Jews.
You are talking about a very small group of people ... they are NOT the voice of Christians.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 13, 2012, 04:57:51 PM
You are talking about a very small group of people ... they are NOT the voice of Christians.
I suppose in your mind, the people who attacked our embassies are the voice of all of Islam.
This film was all planned a long long time ago. So it would come out just before the election. It is all part of the Republican Dirty Tricks Team. Using the stupid and the idiots from the Far Right Wacko Christians to make the film. :mad: :mad:
They thought they could pull this off and make Obama look weak. :yes: Nice plan and their Stooge Mitt Romney at the worse time and before the families are notified, he stand up before the American people and make an ass of himself with one of the most stupid speech he has ever made. The Fucking Fool! :mad:
What is so bad is, Henry and "ME" stands by this fool. :angry: :rant:
:zoners: "Our main job is to make Obama a one term president."
Quote from: The Troll on September 13, 2012, 05:05:20 PM
This film was all planned a long long time ago. So it would come out just before the election. It is all part of the Republican Dirty Tricks Team. Using the stupid and the idiots from the Far Right Wacko Christians to make the film. :mad: :mad:
They thought they could pull this off and make Obama look weak. :yes: Nice plan and their Stooge Mitt Romney at the worse time and before the families are notified, he stand up before the American people and make an ass of himself with one of the most stupid speech he has ever made. The Fucking Fool! :mad:
What is so bad is, Henry and "ME" stands by this fool. :angry: :rant:
:zoners: "Our main job is to make Obama a one term president."
Careful there, Troll. That is a pretty serious accusation. Have you seen anything that would justify it?
Quote from: Olias on September 13, 2012, 05:08:08 PM
Careful there, Troll. That is a pretty serious accusation. Have you seen anything that would justify it?
I believe it in my own mind. I seen it with John Kerry by being Swift Boated, I seen it against Hilary Clinton, I seen it with Bill Clinton and the White Water prosecution. Also I seen it with the Vince Foster suicide. You see all of the lies by the Republican Party now. False bald face lies. :yes:
This elite group of professional liars and trouble makers will stoop to anything, legal or illegal to win. If it green, if it likes dirty water and mud and croaks, it's a Frog and the frog in this slimy water is the Republican Dirty Tricks Team. :yes: :rant:
Quote from: Olias on September 13, 2012, 05:08:08 PM
Careful there, Troll. That is a pretty serious accusation. Have you seen anything that would justify it?
Just to day in the New York Times a woman policy maker for Mitt Romney said that they had been waiting for just occurrence like what just happened to attack Barack Obama. :yes: But, they the policy team started the attack to soon and made an ass out of Mitt. :cry: :cry: :cry:
What I want to know is what Billionaire, what Millionaire working with the Republican Dirty payed the anti-Islam film makers to make this film and release it when they did. The maker of the film is a felon a crook. You know damn well he didn't have the money to make such a film. :yes:
All planned and coordinated by the Republican Dirty Tricks Team. Professional liars. :rant: They will kill, start wars, burn our embassies and the people inside of the burning buildings to win. To win the White House and the Congress. The lousy bastards. :angry: :mad: :mad: :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on September 13, 2012, 05:05:20 PM
This film was all planned a long long time ago. So it would come out just before the election. It is all part of the Republican Dirty Tricks Team. Using the stupid and the idiots from the Far Right Wacko Christians to make the film. :mad: :mad:
They thought they could pull this off and make Obama look weak. :yes: Nice plan and their Stooge Mitt Romney at the worse time and before the families are notified, he stand up before the American people and make an ass of himself with one of the most stupid speech he has ever made. The Fucking Fool! :mad:
What is so bad is, Henry and "ME" stands by this fool. :angry: :rant:
:zoners: "Our main job is to make Obama a one term president."
First of all dickhead, prove it. Regarding it being a "republican" trick.....trying to make Obama look bad....bullshit!
Secondly, I do not approve of this idiots movie, but I DO APPROVE that he has that right to make an idiot movie if he/she desires to..........THIS is a FREE Country and that RIGHT is granted to us.
Quote from: The Troll on September 13, 2012, 10:41:18 PM
Just to day in the New York Times a woman policy maker for Mitt Romney said that they had been waiting for just occurrence like what just happened to attack Barack Obama. :yes: But, they the policy team started the attack to soon and made an ass out of Mitt. :cry: :cry: :cry:
What I want to know is what Billionaire, what Millionaire working with the Republican Dirty payed the anti-Islam film makers to make this film and release it when they did. The maker of the film is a felon a crook. You know damn well he didn't have the money to make such a film. :yes: Was this a real "Snuff" Movie. :confused:
All planned and coordinated by the Republican Dirty Tricks Team. Professional liars. :rant: They will kill, start wars, burn our embassies and the people inside of the burning buildings to win. To win the White House and the Congress. The lousy bastards. :angry: :mad: :mad: :rant:
What the Dirty Tricks did is akin to burning down a old building building in your neighborhood to make your house worth more, like winning the White House, that is arson. But with someone in it dies and is burn to death, that is murder. :mad:
The people who made the film and the people who paid to have this film made are murders. :rant: True, it is their Constitutional right to make such a film, but did they plan to kill someone. Let's bring the murders in court and under oath find out who paid for it and the real plan for making it. :yes:
Thank you Henry, a dick at least has a head. But an asshole like you has nothing but poop coming out of it. :poop: :haha: :zoners:
Reuters reports protesters scale walls of US Embassy compound in Tunis, Tunisia, break windows and set fires. Meanwhile, Associated Press reports Marine team being sent to secure US Embassy in Yemen.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 14, 2012, 08:50:38 AM
First of all dickhead, prove it. Regarding it being a "republican" trick.....trying to make Obama look bad....bullshit!
Secondly, I do not approve of this idiots movie, but I DO APPROVE that he has that right to make an idiot movie if he/she desires to..........THIS is a FREE Country and that RIGHT is granted to us.
Is it akin to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater?
Quote from: followsthewolf on September 14, 2012, 11:23:03 AM
Is it akin to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater?
I don't think there is any comparison. Nobody is telling these guys to watch the film, they chose to watch it. It was not endorsed by the United States Government. They need to go pound sand up their ass, and if they want to get violent over it and kill US Citizens, then they MUST be prepared for severe concsquences....imo.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 14, 2012, 11:56:10 AM
I don't think there is any comparison. Nobody is telling these guys to watch the film, they chose to watch it. It was not endorsed by the United States Government. They need to go pound sand up their ass, and if they want to get violent over it and kill US Citizens, then they MUST be prepared for severe consequences....IMO.
Yes Sir, they chose to watch it and they chose to go out and kill the Ambassador. What these film makers would be like if you came up to me and slapped my face and then I stomped you into the ground, you would cry :cry: that I didn't have to stomp you into the ground. Sorry Bird Boy. Cawww, Cawww. :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on September 14, 2012, 12:26:51 PM
Yes Sir, they chose to watch it and they chose to go out and kill the Ambassador. What these film makers would be like if you came up to me and slapped my face and then I stomped you into the ground, you would cry :cry: that I didn't have to stomp you into the ground. Sorry Bird Boy. Cawww, Cawww. :biggrin:
Most haven't seen it. It's like HH said yesterday. They're just reacting to what they've been told for the most part.
At any rate, the makers of the film are getting exactly what they wanted. They knew in advance that this is what would happen, and it's happening.
Quote from: Locutus on September 14, 2012, 01:07:47 PM
They're just reacting to what they've been told for the most part.
That reminds me of the mindless republican followers here. Just yesterday someone tried to claim that the Marines guarding the embassies aren't allowed to have ammunition. :biggrin:
Quote from: Olias on September 14, 2012, 01:21:21 PM
That reminds me of the mindless republican followers here. Just yesterday someone tried to claim that the Marines guarding the embassies aren't allowed to have ammunition. :biggrin:
SO VERY TRUE!! ;D
Quote from: Olias on September 13, 2012, 05:00:08 PM
I suppose in your mind, the people who attacked our embassies are the voice of all of Islam.
Why............of COURSE they are!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't you know...xtians think, and muslims are just puppets of the imam.
Xtians never start wars, create inquisitions, or invade middle eastern countries to get back religious icons..........do they??
Quote from: followsthewolf on September 14, 2012, 01:29:25 PM
Xtians never start wars, create inquisitions, or invade middle eastern countries to get back religious icons..........do they??
Nope! They just make movies. :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on September 14, 2012, 01:31:02 PM
Nope! They just make movies. :biggrin:
That yell "fire."
Quote from: followsthewolf on September 14, 2012, 01:36:09 PM
That yell "fire."
Yes.
I'm trying to find something from yesterday where that guy said he didn't expect this to happen. That's a flat out lie, just like blaming the Jews was. He knew exactly what he was doing, and knew exactly what the results would be.
Quote from: Locutus on September 14, 2012, 02:20:21 PM
Yes.
I'm trying to find something from yesterday where that guy said he didn't expect this to happen. That's a flat out lie, just like blaming the Jews was. He knew exactly what he was doing, and knew exactly what the results would be.
I don't think he could have possible figured that it would have erupted as it did.......and the mess we are seeing IS NOT all directly related to that movie........I am sick of that already. These guys have been building up to this for a long time....and it has been long planned....I think we are just seeing the beginning of this crap.
You could be right -- it could be a fortunate turn of events for the whackos who want to spread hate and violence.
It might be that they are just capitalizing on the stupidity and religious zealotry of the xtian coptic who made the film.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 14, 2012, 02:24:10 PM
I don't think he could have possible figured that it would have erupted as it did.
You have to be kidding! How could any rational, thinking human being not think of the repercussions after we saw what happened when Terry Jones pulled that Koran burning stunt?
Quote from: Olias on September 14, 2012, 03:15:13 PM
You have to be kidding! How could any rational, thinking human being not think of the repercussions after we saw what happened when Terry Jones pulled that Koran burning stunt?
Or when the Danish newspaper published these:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BZR1NE6r7jY/SZ5NITiX43I/AAAAAAAAAaA/lb_7MiXxoYY/s400/mohammed_cartoon.jpg)
Quote from: Olias on September 14, 2012, 03:15:13 PM
You have to be kidding! How could any rational, thinking human being not think of the repercussions after we saw what happened when Terry Jones pulled that Koran burning stunt?
He's not kidding. Conservatives are infamous for doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Looks like the French are now going to fan the flames a bit.
Paris (CNN) -- After a week of deadly international protests against an anti-Islam film, a French satirical magazine is pouring oil on the fiery debate between freedom of expression and offensive provocation.
The magazine Charlie Hebdo, which is known for outrageous humor, published cartoons featuring a figure resembling the Prophet Mohammed on Wednesday.
The issue hit the stands eight days after a video mocking the Muslim prophet triggered angry protests, including one that led to the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/19/world/europe/france-mohammed-cartoon/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
I think it is wonderful that these people draw these cartoon of the god damn Muslims Prophets and god. I want every one who can do it, to plant, drop on, print and deliver every bad things about these evil gods these Muslims worship. :biggrin:
I want the damn bastards stirred up everyday, every hour until they are sick and tired of rioting and burning. :biggrin:
(http://www.mikechurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/romney-ceo-in-chief-612x300.png?348443)
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
:zoners:
The facts are in (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/01/15/benghazi-senate-report-clinton/4490727/)....a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee has determined that it was indeed an attack and not a protest over a movie. It could have been prevented, but the state department failed to act.
Of course nothing further will come of this....the MSM will let this one die....if they can.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 21, 2014, 12:16:47 PM
The facts are in (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/01/15/benghazi-senate-report-clinton/4490727/)....a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee has determined that it was indeed an attack and not a protest over a movie. It could have been prevented, but the state department failed to act.
Of course nothing further will come of this....the MSM will let this one die....if they can.
Henry, you seem to forget that the ambassador turned down more protection. :yes: He said, "these people are my friends". :doh:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 21, 2014, 12:16:47 PM
The facts are in (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/01/15/benghazi-senate-report-clinton/4490727/)....a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee has determined that it was indeed an attack and not a protest over a movie. It could have been prevented, but the state department failed to act.
Of course nothing further will come of this....the MSM will let this one die....if they can.
Only congress would spend funds on creating a statement to restate a fact. . . Meanwhile, people starve by the tens of thousands in this very country, and thousands of families are in stark danger of losing everything they own; just because they REFUSE to extend unemployment benefits. . . :rant:
Who is paying for all that time, effort, and flotsam? Not me. I want a refund and I want it now! :rant:
Quote from: Palehorse on January 21, 2014, 07:40:02 PM
Only congress would spend funds on creating a statement to restate a fact. . . Meanwhile, people starve by the tens of thousands in this very country, and thousands of families are in stark danger of losing everything they own; just because they REFUSE to extend unemployment benefits. . . :rant:
Who is paying for all that time, effort, and flotsam? Not me. I want a refund and I want it now! :rant:
How much longer than 2 yrs do you want them extended for? If a person can't find a job in that length of time something is definitely wrong.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 21, 2014, 12:16:47 PM
Of course nothing further will come of this....the MSM will let this one die....if they can.
I thought USA Today was part of the MSM as you guys are wont to call anything other than Fux News. :confused:
I am all for keeping anyone from starving in this country. All the more reason to stimulate this economy in a fashion that will work for everyone. Lets cut taxes for everyone for a few months. Let small business have a few months to spend some of their own hard earned money on growing their business. I am a fan of people spending money rather than government spending money. THEN, perhaps this unemployement thing can become less of an issue.
With that being said, we need to keep those in charge HONEST. Quit covering up mistakes where people are being killed. Benghazi is a prime example of that.
And now to piss some of you off for real.... :razz: .....FoxNews is by FAR the best thing on TV these days. ;) If it was not for them, who knows how crooked things would be by now.
Okay, I am going back to hybernating from news events........I get much less stressed.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 22, 2014, 08:38:06 AM
I am all for keeping anyone from starving in this country. All the more reason to stimulate this economy in a fashion that will work for everyone. Lets cut taxes for everyone for a few months. Let small business have a few months to spend some of their own hard earned money on growing their business. I am a fan of people spending money rather than government spending money. THEN, perhaps this unemployment thing can become less of an issue.
With that being said, we need to keep those in charge HONEST. Quit covering up mistakes where people are being killed. Benghazi is a prime example of that.
And now to piss some of you off for real.... :razz: .....FoxNews is by FAR the best thing on TV these days. ;) If it was not for them, who knows how crooked things would be by now.
Okay, I am going back to hibernating from news events........I get much less stressed.
Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Henry you know Benghazi is all bullshit, I say Boy, Benghazi is all smoke and mirrors and BULLSHIT. 4 people killed. :rant:
How about the 5,500 men and women killed in Iraq and the more that 3,000 men and women killed in Afghanistan in the war George W. Bush started Bunky. :rant:
All of this smoke screen you Republican put out about Benghazi will disappear like a fart in a strong Indiana wind. :zoners:
Quote from: me on January 21, 2014, 10:03:22 PM
How much longer than 2 yrs do you want them extended for? If a person can't find a job in that length of time something is definitely wrong.
Where are you getting that 2 year figure from? Pulling it out of your 6, as usual, I suspect.
The fact is the State of Indiana provides 26 weeks. Period. After that you are at the mercy of the asshats in congress, whose latest sport includes holding unemployment funding hostage.
I have a family member that lost his job of 23+ years with Hostess in November of 2012. He got squat surrounding any kind of severance package. And he is 59 years old. He has applied for well in excess of the required 3 jobs each and every week since he lost his job. And has received a sum total of 1 interview. Just one. And he wasn't selected.
In November of 2013 he, like millions of other unemployed individuals, lost his unemployment when the federal funding ran out due to the congressional sport. And he still doesn't have a job, and is STILL applying for jobs. But now he is forced to start selling his possessions in order to keep the electricity on, and to pay for a new furnace when his broke down in December.
He doesn't have a college education and is in his 50's; both terminal aspects for an unemployed individual in this economy. My guess is he will be forced to sell his home before long, and move back into the house with his mother and father. How is that right?
Ageism is taking a huge toll on the current unemployed, but proving it to the legal standard required by law is all but impossible, especially for the employed but even more so for the unemployed.
The average wages being offered for the lions share of positions currently posted as open, have dropped 33% or more since 2007, and the educational requirements have more than doubled. Jobs requiring a high school diploma in 2007 are today requiring a 4 year college degree or better. And paying far less.
So yeah, something is wrong! But it isn't with the people who have lost their livelihoods due to no fault of their own, as your post insinuates.
It is obvious that you take the instinctive path on every aspect of life; the path requiring the least amount of effort. And it is easy for you because you are comfortable with your life and your income stream. One has to wonder what you would do if that income stream were abruptly shut off, as it has been for millions of families across this nation.
Moreover, one also has to wonder how you would survive on 10 bucks an hour, with an outstanding student loan debt level of 40-100,000 dollars to pay off. Does it make sense to anyone that one would go to the expense of incurring a forty to one hundred thousand dollar debt in order to obtain a 4 year degree from an accredited institution of higher learning, only to have to work for 10 bucks an hour? Do the math. It is impossible. And yet, that is EXACTLY what the job market in central Indiana is like today; and the way it has been since 2007.
I was one of the very few fortunate ones that was in the 50+, college degree category, that was able to find a job paying better than 10 bucks an hour. Yet, I none-the-less took a 33% cut in income to get it. And had to sit on the sidelines for 19 months, having my unemployment funds held hostage numerous times in that time-span, and being forced to dip into my retirement funding in order to prevent myself from being homeless over it. (And the only debt I carry is my mortgage payment).
So you had better do at least a modicum of investigation before you go throwing everyone unemployed under that bus of ignorance your are driving lady. :rant:
Yes, what you're talking about is unfortunate and those are extenuating circumstances but there are those, and many more of them unfortunately, who are taking advantage of the system and just staying on unemployment as long as the law allows. I'm not in the mood to go into this any further for reasons I won't disclose but a lot of things need to change because if they don't things are only going to get worse and no one will have anything.
It is getting so bad the it takes a college education to work on an assembly line in a manufacturing plant. :yes:
What is so bad is there isn't any manufacturing plants. :yes: Over 55,000 plants have been shut down. Thanks to George H. Bush's NAFTA and free trade Republicans. :zoners:
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 27, 2014, 12:08:08 PM
:rolleyes:
How could I be surprised at what the Sqwawkie Hawkie thinks about what I said. :sa: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on January 27, 2014, 02:50:58 PM
How could I be surprised at what the Sqwawkie Hawkie thinks about what I said. :sa: :biggrin:
I was going to go into my UAW rant, on how they screwed things up, but I decided not to do that. That would be "trollish"... :sa: :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 27, 2014, 03:37:13 PM
I was going to go into my UAW rant, on how they screwed things up, but I decided not to do that. That would be "trollish"... :sa: :biggrin:
Thanks Hawk for not being more SCABIST than you are! :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on January 27, 2014, 03:47:48 PM
Thanks Hawk for not being more SCABIST than you are! :wink: :biggrin:
YOU are welcome... :biggrin:
I don't often bump old threads, but this one is particularly interesting in light of this past week's events.
I'm bumping it so if any of you, in your weekend spare time, care to read this thread from the start. It is clear from very early on that we had all come to the conclusion that the events at the embassy in Benghazi were separate from the violence associated with the
"Innocence of Muslims" film.
This thread was started shortly after news of the Benghazi attacks broke, and by page 3, we were already segregating talking about the violence associated with the film, and the attacks on the facility in Benghazi. The thread was started on September 12, 2012, at 07:44:51 AM, and by page 3, I made this post about separating the issues at hand:
Quote from: Locutus on September 12, 2012, 03:42:33 PM
CNN is reporting that the Libyan attack came in two waves and was planned in advance. So we may be talking about two topics here. The movie that incited the protests and a well planned attack by a pro-al Qaeda group.
I just thought some of you may enjoy reading back how we discussed the events as they unfolded over that time, especially in light of this past week's hearing.
And if Henry Hawk has ever been wrong about anything he's said herein, it was this statement here:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 21, 2014, 12:16:47 PM
Of course nothing further will come of this....the MSM will let this one die....if they can.
The Republicans have been chanting, "Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!" ever since. ;D
Thanks for bumping this up, Locutus. It was interesting to read all the comments.
It will also be interesting to read any new commentary once the usual suspects show up. :wink: ;D
Quote from: Locutus on October 24, 2015, 10:17:54 PM
It will also be interesting to read any new commentary once the usual suspects show up. :wink: ;D
Except for being led off into the deep weeds about unemployment, I stayed out of this witch hunt in the early days. . .
A smart move. :yes:
I just read the whole thing. Thanks, Locutus. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on October 24, 2015, 01:46:56 PM
The Republicans have been chanting, "Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!" ever since. ;D
I think it's interesting to compare and contrast the differences between the Republicans' reaction to the death of these four Americans to the reaction of the Democratic House under Reagan in the aftermath of the bombing of a U.S. marine compound in Beirut in 1983 that killed 241...that's right...241 U.S. servicemen. It wasn't as though no one could have seen it coming; the U.S. embassy there had been bombed six months earlier, killing 63 people, seventeen of whom were Americans. Among those, seven were CIA officers, including the agency's top analyst in the Middle East.
There was one, only one, investigation into this attack resulting in a bipartisan report containing recommendations on how to improve security measures in government installations throughout the world. Those recommendations were slow to be implemented and in March of 1984, another militant attack resulted in the kidnapping, torture and eventual murder of the CIA's Beirut station chief, Bill Buckley. By September of 1984, with the new security precautions
still not implemented, the third attack in eighteen months occurred with a bombing of the U.S. embassy annex, again in Beirut.
Where was the outrage?
"If you compare the costs of the Reagan Administration's serial security lapses in Beirut to the costs of Benghazi, it's clear what has really deteriorated in the intervening three decades. It's not the security of American government personnel working abroad. It's the behavior of American congressmen at home." (http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/ronald-reagans-benghazi)
Unlike today's political witch hunt, there were not eighteen investigations costing the taxpayers millions of dollars while producing nothing of any value. Our entire system of government has become dysfunctional (and I can't wait to see how Henry and me spin this to be the fault of liberals).
The glaring difference between this attack and the others, imo, is the length of the attack. A bomb is different than a sustained attack of several hours.
Quote from: Anne on October 26, 2015, 08:56:29 AM
The glaring difference between this attack and the others, imo, is the length of the attack. A bomb is different than a sustained attack of several hours.
Seriously? :rolleyes:
Yes, the other attacks were more of a single brief incident, regardless of how many people were killed or injured. There was no opportunity to react to the attack. This one lasted several hours and there was time to help. No one has ever explained why no help was sent.
Quote from: Anne on October 26, 2015, 09:05:17 AM
Yes, the other attacks were more of a single brief incident, regardless of how many people were killed or injured. There was no opportunity to react to the attack. This one lasted several hours and there was time to help. No one has ever explained why no help was sent.
First of all, help was sent but coordination and transportation takes time. Just so that you know, the transporters on Star Trek aren't real. Secondly, the attacks in Beirut happened over the course of
eighteen months with no substantial changes to security protocols implemented during that time. That's a long time to react.
I also think you're missing the original intent of my post and the bigger picture.
I don't think there is anything more to say or add. The movie had nothing to do with the islamic attack that killed our ambassador. Hilliary and her staff said it did, when they KNEW it didn't.
That is established fact.
If you guys think she is the best the democrats have of offer to be our next POTUS...then...there is nothing more to say. :no:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 26, 2015, 12:39:59 PM
If you guys think she is the best the democrats have of offer to be our next POTUS...then...there is nothing more to say. :no:
Who do you think is the best Republicans have to offer? One name, please.
* I note that you had absolutely zero commentary on the state of affairs vis-a-vis the differences between the way the Beirut and Benghazi attacks were/are being handled. That amounts to tacit acknowledgement that this is nothing more than a political witch hunt.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 26, 2015, 02:10:26 PM
Who do you think is the best Republicans have to offer? One name, please.
* I note that you had absolutely zero commentary on the state of affairs vis-a-vis the differences between the way the Beirut and Benghazi attacks were/are being handled. That amounts to tacit acknowledgement that this is nothing more than a political witch hunt.
Families were lied to, we were lied to, a guy is in jail because of this lie, and you think it's a witch hunt? Also where did you miss out on the part where she was getting her information from someone who had never been there and who she wasn't allowed to hire rather than the people who knew what the situation was tried to tell her?
Quote from: me on October 26, 2015, 04:06:16 PM
Families were lied to, we were lied to, a guy is in jail because of this lie, and you think it's a witch hunt? Also where did you miss out on the part where she was getting her information from someone who had never been there and who she wasn't allowed to hire rather than the people who knew what the situation was tried to tell her?
You watch Faux News and are lied to each and every day! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on October 26, 2015, 05:57:58 PM
You watch Faux News and are lied to each and every day! :rolleyes:
I watched the hearing and that is a fact not a Fox news thing. She, Hillary, made up some silly story about why she lied to the media and the families even though she knew the truth. What she did was wrong period. She was also getting information from someone she shouldn't have and taking advice from him then blacking his name out on her reports as her source because she was told she couldn't hire him and protecting a source is a BS excuse for doing something she knew she shouldn't be doing. You didn't watch the hearing did you?
Quote from: Exterminator on October 26, 2015, 02:10:26 PM
Who do you think is the best Republicans have to offer? One name, please.
* I note that you had absolutely zero commentary on the state of affairs vis-a-vis the differences between the way the Beirut and Benghazi attacks were/are being handled. That amounts to tacit acknowledgement that this is nothing more than a political witch hunt.
That is what you want to believe...
and btw, there are a NUMBER of republican candidates that would be good for this country. Pretty much you can take your pick...ALL of them would be better than Hillary. That is not even open for an argument.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2015, 07:01:02 AM
and btw, there are a NUMBER of republican candidates that would be good for this country. Pretty much you can take your pick...ALL of them would be better than Hillary. That is not even open for an argument.
LMAO! Can't name a single fucking one...
I am shocked that the point of my post comparing how the (much larger) attacks during Reagan's administration and Benghazi were handled was lost on our resident mental midgets...not! No, all they know how to do is continue regurgitating their Faux news spoon-fed partisan crap never once considering that it is that partisanship that is the problem with our government and is what will lead to the ultimate demise of this once great nation.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 27, 2015, 08:41:24 AM
LMAO! Can't name a single fucking one...
Of coarse you can't.........you are a closed minded liberal.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 27, 2015, 08:48:52 AM
I am shocked that the point of my post comparing how the (much larger) attacks during Reagan's administration and Benghazi were handled was lost on our resident mental midgets...not! No, all they know how to do is continue regurgitating their Faux news spoon-fed partisan crap never once considering that it is that partisanship that is the problem with our government and is what will lead to the ultimate demise of this once great nation.
MSNBC is much, much worse at spoon feeding partisan crap...MUCH WORSE.
Btw, I watch and listen to several different sources.....I rarely watch Fox. Most of my sources are from YOU guys here. Honestly....I sometimes go to Drudge Report throughout the day..... but he has several sources.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2015, 09:24:27 AM
Of coarse you can't.........you are a closed minded liberal.
That's a little rough.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 26, 2015, 09:11:01 AM
First of all, help was sent but coordination and transportation takes time. Just so that you know, the transporters on Star Trek aren't real. Secondly, the attacks in Beirut happened over the course of eighteen months with no substantial changes to security protocols implemented during that time. That's a long time to react.
The attacks in Beirut were not sustained attacks, unless there are any you can point out that lasted several hours that I forgot about. I understand coordination takes time, but there were other military personnel in the city less than ten miles away. Why would it take hours to travel that short distance?
Quote from: Anne on October 31, 2015, 01:14:44 PM
The attacks in Beirut were not sustained attacks, unless there are any you can point out that lasted several hours that I forgot about. I understand coordination takes time, but there were other military personnel in the city less than ten miles away. Why would it take hours to travel that short distance?
I guess you don't know how the military works, just ask someone who's been there and in the military. :yes: