Washington (CNN) -- A federal appeals court in Washington Thursday struck down the Texas voter ID law requiring photos for voters at the polls, calling it racially discriminatory. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/politics/texas-voter-id-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/politics/texas-voter-id-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
Guess there's gonna be a lot of people who won't be getting welfare or be able to cash their monthly checks, since they evidently don't have bank accounts or they'd already have ID's, be able to buy smokes, or be able to purchase alcohol. Damn shame huh? There is no way that is racial discrimination that is the dumbest thing I've heard, well close to the dumbest. That racial thing is getting waaaaaaaaaay too over used.
That is ludicrous !
Explain to me exactly how it's racial discrimination. Are blacks told they can't have ID's or the only ones who have to have them? Doesn't it effect everyone in the state equally?
http://www.youtube.com/v/JC4tZqXHig0
The last of the article pretty well sums it up huh?
Quote"Chalk up another victory for fraud," said Gov. Perry, in a statement on his website. "Federal judges subverted the will of the people of Texas and undermined our effort to ensure fair and accurate elections. The Obama administration's claim that it's a burden to present a photo ID to vote simply defies common sense. I will continue to work with Attorney General Abbott to fight for the same right that other states already have to protect their elections."
The Texas law said those who are 65 or older, disabled or expect to be absent on Election Day may vote by mail without presenting identification.
Quote from: me on August 30, 2012, 09:25:48 PM
Guess there's gonna be a lot of people who won't be getting welfare or be able to cash their monthly checks, since they evidently don't have bank accounts or they'd already have ID's, be able to buy smokes, or be able to purchase alcohol. Damn shame huh? There is no way that is racial discrimination that is the dumbest thing I've heard, well close to the dumbest. That racial thing is getting waaaaaaaaaay too over used.
If you ever go broke, I hope you can't find any help. Cause your kiddies won't take care of you. :trustme:
You do know that if you have a stroke, a seizure, a heart attack, aneurysm, Aylmer's, could break your butt very quickly. Think about it, Little Miss ME. It could happen in a blink of an eye and the bad thing is you might not die and spending years in a nursing home before you croak. Miss Froggy. Costing now $1600 a month.
You got that kind of money. I know what happens and what it costs when I put my stepmother in the nursing home. Have fun, Sweet Heart your time is coming. :haha: :haha: Sooner than you think. :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on August 30, 2012, 09:50:04 PM
If you ever go broke, I hope you can't find any help. Cause your kiddies won't take care of you. :trustme:
You do know that if you have a stroke, a seizure, a heart attack, aneurysm, Aylmer's, could break your butt very quickly. Think about it, Little Miss ME. It could happen in a blink of an eye and the bad thing is you might not die and spending years in a nursing home before you croak. Miss Froggy. Costing now $1600 a month.
You got that kind of money. I know what happens and what it costs when I put my stepmother in the nursing home. Have fun, Sweet Heart your time is coming. :haha: :haha: Sooner than you think. :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :biggrin:
And that has exactly what to do with voter ID's?
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I will not attempt to explain it to you since you have clearly demonstrated no inclination what-so-ever toward putting forth even an modicum of effort toward comprehension of any position which opposes that which you hold. Even when the position you hold is proven to be a fallacy.
What's the point? You'll just brush it away as if it were a stray hair. . .
. . .the court said the law imposes "strict unforgiving burdens on the poor." The court noted the requirements will fall heavily on African-Americans and Hispanics, who make up a disproportionate percentage of the poor in Texas.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 31, 2012, 08:07:21 AM
I will not attempt to explain it to you since you have clearly demonstrated no inclination what-so-ever toward putting forth even an modicum of effort toward comprehension of any position which opposes that which you hold. Even when the position you hold is proven to be a fallacy.
What's the point? You'll just brush it away as if it were a stray hair. . .
A fallacy? How is what I said about needing pic ID's for other things a fallacy? I just don't understand why you think that poses an unnecessary burden on anyone to have an ID. You have to have one to get welfare, food stamps, and handouts plus proof or residence so what's the problem? Are the people who don't have the ID's not getting that help? If that is the case then it would be helping them because they could then get that help plus they would then have one of those free phones so they could communicate with people.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 31, 2012, 08:54:28 AM
. . .the court said the law imposes "strict unforgiving burdens on the poor." The court noted the requirements will fall heavily on African-Americans and Hispanics, who make up a disproportionate percentage of the poor in Texas.
what does being poor have to do with getting proper ID. They are free.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 31, 2012, 09:15:24 AM
what does being poor have to do with getting proper ID. They are free.
I don't know about Indiana, but they certainly aren't free in Florida.
Quote from: Locutus on August 31, 2012, 11:10:11 AM
I don't know about Indiana, but they certainly aren't free in Florida.
How much are they and how long are they good for? Also are ID's required for most things, welfare, food stamps, banking, library card, alcohol and cigarettes, there too?
At the polls, you will be asked to provide a valid picture identification with signature. The following photo ids will be accepted:
- Florida driver's license
- Florida identification card issued by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles
- United States passport
- Debit or credit card
- Military identification
- Student identification
- Retirement center identification
- Neighborhood association identification
- Public assistance identification.
If your photo identification does not contain your signature, you will be asked to provide an additional identification that includes a signature.
If you do not have the proper identification, you will be provided with a provisional ballot. Your provisional ballot will count if the signature on the provisional ballot envelope matches the signature on your voter registration application
Quote from: me on August 31, 2012, 11:19:53 AM
How much are they and how long are they good for?
They are $25.00 and are good for four years.
Quote from: me on August 31, 2012, 11:19:53 AM
Also are ID's required for most things, welfare, food stamps, banking, library card, alcohol and cigarettes, there too?
Can't speak to welfare and food stamps; I don't receive either. They stopped carding me for alcohol a long time ago. ;D Yes for banking, no for library card (at least not in Broward county where I live).
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 31, 2012, 11:25:12 AM
At the polls, you will be asked to provide a valid picture identification with signature. The following photo ids will be accepted:
- Florida driver's license
- Florida identification card issued by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles
- United States passport
- Debit or credit card
- Military identification
- Student identification
- Retirement center identification
- Neighborhood association identification
- Public assistance identification.
If your photo identification does not contain your signature, you will be asked to provide an additional identification that includes a signature.
If you do not have the proper identification, you will be provided with a provisional ballot. Your provisional ballot will count if the signature on the provisional ballot envelope matches the signature on your voter registration application
Yes, the above is correct because Florida has already passed a voter ID law. Your point?
Quote from: Locutus on August 31, 2012, 11:28:26 AM
Yes, the above is correct because Florida has already passed a voter ID law. Your point?
I don't think that is too much to ask, to assure a little integrity of one of the most sacred events US Citizens have the priviledge to do.
I am correct that Florida it is only requested and not required, to have a photo ID?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 31, 2012, 11:32:39 AM
I don't think that is too much to ask, to assure a little integrity of one of the most sacred events US Citizens have the priviledge to do.
I am correct that Florida it is only requested and not required, to have a photo ID?
I'm not sure what's going to be required going forward as there are challenges to the Florida voter ID law as well. I'm even seeing some websites reporting that the Florida law fell right along with the Texas law, but I'm having a hard time confirming that.
The only reason the Hawk and "ME" wants a voter ID is they got one and they want to stifle the vote. They are not for freedom, but if they can stop the people of color from voting they can win every election. :trustme:
Some people have no concept of what the term "dirt poor"means; despite the fact that those finding themselves in such a condition are increasing in number every day.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 31, 2012, 05:54:32 PM
Some people have no concept of what the term "dirt poor"means; despite the fact that those finding themselves in such a condition are increasing in number every day.
If someone is "dirt poor" they aren't going to have a TV so in all probability aren't going to vote anyway because they won't know anything about the candidates and will have no way to the polls. If they have a TV and are poor they are getting assistance and an ID is needed for that so this outcry from the left is all a bunch of BS.
Quote from: me on August 31, 2012, 06:11:25 PM
......so this outcry from the left is all a bunch of BS.
Kind of like the voter fraud BS being bandied about by the right? :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on August 31, 2012, 06:21:38 PM
Kind of like the voter fraud BS being bandied about by the right? :wink:
Believe that if you wish but there is a problem with voter fraud.
Quote from: me on August 31, 2012, 06:55:06 PM
Believe that if you wish but there is a problem with voter fraud.
Then you shouldn't have any problem pointing out specific examples of such so that we can discuss them.
Quote from: me on August 31, 2012, 06:11:25 PM
If someone is "dirt poor" they aren't going to have a TV so in all probability aren't going to vote anyway because they won't know anything about the candidates and will have no way to the polls. If they have a TV and are poor they are getting assistance and an ID is needed for that so this outcry from the left is all a bunch of BS.
I can see why the courts stopped the Voter ID program in Texas. Just look how they run their schools. :wacko: :jc:
Quote from: Locutus on August 31, 2012, 06:59:09 PM
Then you shouldn't have any problem pointing out specific examples of such so that we can discuss them.
Only problem with that is it's mostly democratic and I know how that would go over no matter what kind of evidence I posted so I'm not going to bother. Now you can take that anyway you wish, and I know how you'll take it, but that's the reality of it and why they don't want voter ID. It stacks the odds on their side because of the likely hood of illegals being able to vote since they don't have to have an ID. Has nothing to do with the blacks that's a smoke screen and no, I didn't hear that on Fox.
Quote from: me on August 31, 2012, 07:22:50 PM
Only problem with that is it's mostly democratic and I know how that would go over no matter what kind of evidence I posted so I'm not going to bother. Now you can take that anyway you wish, and I know how you'll take it, but that's the reality of it and why they don't want voter ID. It stacks the odds on their side because of the likely hood of illegals being able to vote since they don't have to have an ID. Has nothing to do with the blacks that's a smoke screen and no, I didn't hear that on Fox.
Hey guys, when you where a kid and in your neighborhood there was that old crazy woman who would run out and get your ball that went in to her yard and keeping it. Banging on her window if she thought you were going to step on her grass. The old woman to would call the town cop about the kids playing ball in the street making to much noise. An old woman who was the witch of the neighborhood. The old woman who died and no one when to her funeral. :yes:
Well, we got one here on the Zone. That old Nagy, crabby , nasty old woman is "ME". Well, life is a bitch and we have to live with one. :haha:
Quote from: me on August 31, 2012, 06:11:25 PM
If someone is "dirt poor" they aren't going to have a TV so in all probability aren't going to vote anyway because they won't know anything about the candidates and will have no way to the polls. If they have a TV and are poor they are getting assistance and an ID is needed for that so this outcry from the left is all a bunch of BS.
Wow. . . :eek4:
Quote from: The Troll on August 31, 2012, 07:36:51 PM
Hey guys, when you where a kid and in your neighborhood there was that old crazy woman who would run out and get your ball that went in to her yard and keeping it. Banging on her window if she thought you were going to step on her grass. The old woman to would call the town cop about the kids playing ball in the street making to much noise. An old woman who was the witch of the neighborhood. The old woman who died and no one when to her funeral. :yes:
Well, we got one here on the Zone. That old Nagy, crabby , nasty old woman is "ME". Well, life is a bitch and we have to live with one. :haha:
One of these days maybe, just maybe, you'll actually contribute something of worth to a conversation instead of just this same old crap you keep spewing but somehow I don't think you're capable.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 31, 2012, 07:50:06 PM
Wow. . . :eek4:
What's that supposed to mean? <(not meant in a nasty way just a question).
Quote from: me on August 31, 2012, 07:22:50 PM
Only problem with that is it's mostly democratic and I know how that would go over no matter what kind of evidence I posted so I'm not going to bother.
Translation: I have no proof so I won't bother. As an aside to that comment, if there were some evidence, I certainly wouldn't mind it being Democratic since they are the ones being targeted with these sorts of laws. No one likes true cases of voter fraud be they Democratic or Republican.
Despite all of the claims you hear on your favorite 'news' sources whatever those may be, there is little, if any, evidence of widespread voter fraud going on anywhere in the United States. It just doesn't exist. I'm not saying that there aren't minor occurrences from time to time, but the claim the Republicans are making in justifying these sorts of laws isn't supported by evidence. It just isn't. Nothing you can say or conjure up, that's based on facts and evidence, will support any claim of widespread fraud, let alone any that could sway the outcome of any elections.
Quote from: me on August 31, 2012, 07:22:50 PM
Now you can take that anyway you wish, and I know how you'll take it, but that's the reality of it and why they don't want voter ID. It stacks the odds on their side because of the likely hood of illegals being able to vote since they don't have to have an ID. Has nothing to do with the blacks that's a smoke screen and no, I didn't hear that on Fox.
You're quite wrong, but I know you won't see it that way. Do some research and see if you can dig up any instances of voter fraud and I'll gladly entertain it for discussion. But you're not going to find it because it doesn't exist.
I don't think anyone has any problems, be they Democratic or Republican, in trying to ensure the integrity of our electoral process. It is the bedrock of our republic after all. However, the Republicans are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist, and by doing so, appear to be trying to suppress the votes of others.
I would have these same issues, and would scream just as loudly, if it were Democrats trying to disenfranchise Republicans.
Quote from: me on August 31, 2012, 07:50:54 PM
One of these days maybe, just maybe, you'll actually contribute something of worth to a conversation instead of just this same old crap you keep spewing but somehow I don't think you're capable.
Maybe that's why his moniker is The Troll. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on August 31, 2012, 08:15:27 PM
Translation: I have no proof so I won't bother. As an aside to that comment, if there were some evidence, I certainly wouldn't mind it being Democratic since they are the ones being targeted with these sorts of laws. No one likes true cases of voter fraud be they Democratic or Republican.
Despite all of the claims you hear on your favorite 'news' sources whatever those may be, there is little, if any, evidence of widespread voter fraud going on anywhere in the United States. It just doesn't exist. I'm not saying that there aren't minor occurrences from time to time, but the claim the Republicans are making in justifying these sorts of laws isn't supported by evidence. It just isn't. Nothing you can say or conjure up, that's based on facts and evidence, will support any claim of widespread fraud, let alone any that could sway the outcome of any elections.
You're quite wrong, but I know you won't see it that way. Do some research and see if you can dig up any instances of voter fraud and I'll gladly entertain it for discussion. But you're not going to find it because it doesn't exist.
I don't think anyone has any problems, be they Democratic or Republican, in trying to ensure the integrity of our electoral process. It is the bedrock of our republic after all. However, the Republicans are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist, and by doing so, appear to be trying to suppress the votes of others.
I would have these same issues, and would scream just as loudly, if it were Democrats trying to disenfranchise Republicans.
Are you saying that the voter ID requirement would only impact Democrats?
Quote from: Locutus on August 31, 2012, 08:17:15 PM
Maybe that's why his moniker is The Troll. ;D
Hum, hadn't thought about that.....Gonna have to quit feedin' him....According to him I'm stingy anyway so might as well make his day and start making it true with him.... :biggrin:
Quote from: me on August 31, 2012, 08:24:03 PM
Are you saying that the voter ID requirement would only impact Democrats?
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that I would be screaming just as loudly if Democrats were trying to enact laws, based on no hard evidence, that appear to attempt to suppress the votes of Republicans. That kind of crap shouldn't be tolerated no matter on which side of the aisle you stand.
Quote from: Locutus on August 31, 2012, 08:54:00 PM
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that I would be screaming just as loudly if Democrats were trying to enact laws, based on no hard evidence, that appear to attempt to suppress the votes of Republicans. That kind of crap shouldn't be tolerated no matter on which side of the aisle you stand.
Then we just have different views on whether it is a necessity or not and I believe it is. You'd think the Dem's would want it too since fraud can be committed both ways and they're always crying voter fraud when they think they should have won too.
Quote from: me on August 31, 2012, 10:04:41 PM
Then we just have different views on whether it is a necessity or not and I believe it is. You'd think the Dem's would want it too since fraud can be committed both ways and they're always crying voter fraud when they think they should have won too.
But there's no evidence that it exists by either party, hence the claims of attempts at voter suppression by the Republicans. If it's not a problem, then the legislation is unnecessary unless there are other motives in play.
I think someone is confusing "hanging chads" and "voting irregularities" with voter fraud. . . ;)
Quote from: Palehorse on August 31, 2012, 10:23:50 PM
I think someone is confusing "hanging chads" and "voting irregularities" with voter fraud. . . ;)
You might be right, but I don't think so. ;D
There is voter fraud in Texas but so far it is mostly with mail in: http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2010/05/illegal-vote-harvesting-south-texas-voter-fraud/1273422832.story
https://www.oag.state.tx.us/alerts/alerts_view.php?id=128&type=3
http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Vote_fraud_in_Texas
Don't know how ID's would help absentee ballots but if it's being done there it could, and probably does, happen at the voting sites.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 31, 2012, 10:23:50 PM
I think someone is confusing "hanging chads" and "voting irregularities" with voter fraud. . . ;)
Hanging and dimpled chads was desperation as was trying to toss out some military absentee ballots.
We had voter fraud right here in Indiana. Lugar voting here with no home here, using a false address where he didn't live. He still voted. :no: :mad:
We had Mike Pence who was living in Virginia with his wife and kids and their kid going to school in Virginia and he didn't have a home in Indiana. He still voted. :mad:
Can't think of his name, but a Republican was convicted for voter fraud in Indianapolis. But he paid the price. :haha:
It seem to me the only people guilty of voter fraud here in Indiana is, you guessed it. The Republicans. They know what it is and they don't want the Democrats to catch it. :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on August 31, 2012, 11:29:57 PM
We had voter fraud right here in Indiana. Lugar voting here with no home here, using a false address where he didn't live. He still voted. :no: :mad:
We had Mike Pence who was living in Virginia with his wife and kids and their kid going to school in Virginia and he didn't have a home in Indiana. He still voted. :mad:
Can't think of his name, but a Republican was convicted for voter fraud in Indianapolis. But he paid the price. :haha:
It seem to me the only people guilty of voter fraud here in Indiana is, you guessed it. The Republicans. They know what it is and they don't want the Democrats to catch it. :yes: :biggrin:
Even in Anderson. Some Democrats in the election before this one were caught and some were fined, some jailed, and I know one who lost his job as a fireman. Kind of surprised me 'cause I thought he was above that sort of thing but ya just never know.
I would like to see someone in government to give "ME" an IQ test before she get to vote. You think she would get a ZERO? :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on September 01, 2012, 11:01:43 AM
I would like to see someone in government to give "ME" an IQ test before she get to vote. You think she would get a ZERO? :biggrin:
ROFL How little you truly know about me Troll.
Quote from: me on September 01, 2012, 11:26:51 AM
ROFL How little you truly know about me Troll.
Hell "ME" you got to be from Texas. You had to have been educated in one of them thar back water schoooools. You don't know science, Hell let's face it you don't know shit about anything. Honey Bun. :kiss:
Quote from: The Troll on September 01, 2012, 05:21:17 PM
Hell "ME" you got to be from Texas. You had to have been educated in one of them thar back water schoooools. You don't know science, Hell let's face it you don't know shit about anything. Honey Bun. :kiss:
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Quote from: me on September 01, 2012, 05:24:45 PM
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I may be a dog marking his neiborhood, but I have you sure marked you. :treehug: :kiss: