Texas Voter ID Law Struck Down

[me]

  Hey guys, when you where a kid and in your neighborhood there was that old crazy woman who would run out and get your ball that went in to her yard and keeping it.  Banging on her window if she thought you were going to step on her grass.   The old woman to would call the town cop about the kids playing ball in the street making to much noise.  An old woman who was the witch of the neighborhood.  The old woman who died and no one when to her funeral.   

  Well, we got one here on the Zone.  That old Nagy, crabby , nasty old woman is "ME".  Well, life is a bitch and we have to live with one. 

One of these days maybe, just maybe, you'll actually contribute something of worth to a conversation instead of just this same old crap you keep spewing but somehow I don't think you're capable.

[me]

Wow. . . 

What's that supposed to mean?  <(not meant in a nasty way just a question).

[Locutus]

Only problem with that is it's mostly democratic and I know how that would go over no matter what kind of evidence I posted so I'm not going to bother. 

Translation:  I have no proof so I won't bother.  As an aside to that comment, if there were some evidence, I certainly wouldn't mind it being Democratic since they are the ones being targeted with these sorts of laws.  No one likes true cases of voter fraud be they Democratic or Republican.

Despite all of the claims you hear on your favorite 'news' sources whatever those may be, there is little, if any, evidence of widespread voter fraud going on anywhere in the United States.  It just doesn't exist.  I'm not saying that there aren't minor occurrences from time to time, but the claim the Republicans are making in justifying these sorts of laws isn't supported by evidence.  It just isn't.  Nothing you can say or conjure up, that's based on facts and evidence, will support any claim of widespread fraud, let alone any that could sway the outcome of any elections.

Now you can take that anyway you wish, and I know how you'll take it, but that's the reality of it and why they don't want voter ID.  It stacks the odds on their side because of the likely hood of illegals being able to vote since they don't have to have an ID.  Has nothing to do with the blacks that's a smoke screen and no, I didn't hear that on Fox.

You're quite wrong, but I know you won't see it that way.  Do some research and see if you can dig up any instances of voter fraud and I'll gladly entertain it for discussion.  But you're not going to find it because it doesn't exist.

I don't think anyone has any problems, be they Democratic or Republican, in trying to ensure the integrity of our electoral process.  It is the bedrock of our republic after all.  However, the Republicans are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist, and by doing so, appear to be trying to suppress the votes of others.

I would have these same issues, and would scream just as loudly, if it were Democrats trying to disenfranchise Republicans.

[Locutus]

One of these days maybe, just maybe, you'll actually contribute something of worth to a conversation instead of just this same old crap you keep spewing but somehow I don't think you're capable.

Maybe that's why his moniker is The Troll. 

[me]

Translation:  I have no proof so I won't bother.  As an aside to that comment, if there were some evidence, I certainly wouldn't mind it being Democratic since they are the ones being targeted with these sorts of laws.  No one likes true cases of voter fraud be they Democratic or Republican.

Despite all of the claims you hear on your favorite 'news' sources whatever those may be, there is little, if any, evidence of widespread voter fraud going on anywhere in the United States.  It just doesn't exist.  I'm not saying that there aren't minor occurrences from time to time, but the claim the Republicans are making in justifying these sorts of laws isn't supported by evidence.  It just isn't.  Nothing you can say or conjure up, that's based on facts and evidence, will support any claim of widespread fraud, let alone any that could sway the outcome of any elections.

You're quite wrong, but I know you won't see it that way.  Do some research and see if you can dig up any instances of voter fraud and I'll gladly entertain it for discussion.  But you're not going to find it because it doesn't exist.

I don't think anyone has any problems, be they Democratic or Republican, in trying to ensure the integrity of our electoral process.  It is the bedrock of our republic after all.  However, the Republicans are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist, and by doing so, appear to be trying to suppress the votes of others.

I would have these same issues, and would scream just as loudly, if it were Democrats trying to disenfranchise Republicans.

Are you saying that the voter ID requirement would only impact Democrats?

[me]

Maybe that's why his moniker is The Troll. 

Hum, hadn't thought about that.....Gonna have to quit feedin' him....According to him I'm stingy anyway so might as well make his day and start making it true with him.... 

[Locutus]

Are you saying that the voter ID requirement would only impact Democrats?

No, I'm not saying that at all.  I'm saying that I would be screaming just as loudly if Democrats were trying to enact laws, based on no hard evidence, that appear to attempt to suppress the votes of Republicans.  That kind of crap shouldn't be tolerated no matter on which side of the aisle you stand.

[me]

No, I'm not saying that at all.  I'm saying that I would be screaming just as loudly if Democrats were trying to enact laws, based on no hard evidence, that appear to attempt to suppress the votes of Republicans.  That kind of crap shouldn't be tolerated no matter on which side of the aisle you stand.

Then we just have different views on whether it is a necessity or not and I believe it is.  You'd think the Dem's would want it too since fraud can be committed both ways and they're always crying voter fraud when they think they should have won too. 

[Locutus]

Then we just have different views on whether it is a necessity or not and I believe it is.  You'd think the Dem's would want it too since fraud can be committed both ways and they're always crying voter fraud when they think they should have won too. 

But there's no evidence that it exists by either party, hence the claims of attempts at voter suppression by the Republicans.  If it's not a problem, then the legislation is unnecessary unless there are other motives in play.   

[Palehorse]

I think someone is confusing "hanging chads" and "voting irregularities" with voter fraud. . . 

[Locutus]

I think someone is confusing "hanging chads" and "voting irregularities" with voter fraud. . . 

You might be right, but I don't think so. 

[me]

There is voter fraud in Texas but so far it is mostly with mail in: http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2010/05/illegal-vote-harvesting-south-texas-voter-fraud/1273422832.story

https://www.oag.state.tx.us/alerts/alerts_view.php?id=128&type=3

http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Vote_fraud_in_Texas

Don't know how ID's would help absentee ballots but if it's being done there it could, and probably does, happen at the voting sites. 

[me]

I think someone is confusing "hanging chads" and "voting irregularities" with voter fraud. . . 

Hanging and dimpled chads was desperation as was trying to toss out some military absentee ballots.

[The Troll]

  We had voter fraud right here in Indiana.  Lugar voting here with no home here, using a false address where he didn't live.  He still voted. 

  We had Mike Pence who was living in Virginia with his wife and kids and their kid going to school in Virginia and he didn't have a home in Indiana. He still voted. 

  Can't think of his name, but a Republican was convicted for voter fraud in Indianapolis.  But he paid the price. 

  It seem to me the only people guilty of voter fraud here in Indiana is, you guessed it.  The Republicans.  They know what it is and they don't want the Democrats to catch it.       

[me]

  We had voter fraud right here in Indiana.  Lugar voting here with no home here, using a false address where he didn't live.  He still voted. 

  We had Mike Pence who was living in Virginia with his wife and kids and their kid going to school in Virginia and he didn't have a home in Indiana. He still voted. 

  Can't think of his name, but a Republican was convicted for voter fraud in Indianapolis.  But he paid the price. 

  It seem to me the only people guilty of voter fraud here in Indiana is, you guessed it.  The Republicans.  They know what it is and they don't want the Democrats to catch it.       

Even in Anderson.  Some Democrats in the election before this one were caught and some were fined, some jailed, and I know one who lost his job as a fireman.  Kind of surprised me 'cause I thought he was above that sort of thing but ya just never know.