The Texas Board of Education is debating about removing the word "capitalism" from school textbooks in favor of the words "free enterprise."
As if that weren't enough, they are also debating removing Thomas Jefferson's name in connection with the term "Enlightenment."
(As in the Enlightenment)
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/03/texas_textbook_standards.php
Nothing from Texas surprises me.
"If the King's English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me!" A quote attributed to "Ma" Ferguson, the first female governor of Texas, in 1925.
In 1971, the Texas House of Representatives passed a resolution commending Albert de Salvo for his unselfish service to "his country, his state and his community." The resolution stated that "this compassionate gentleman's dedication and devotion to his work has enabled the weak and the lonely throughout the nation to achieve and maintain a new degree of concern for their future. He has been officially recognized by the state of Massachusetts for his noted activities and unconventional techniques involving population control and applied psychology."
The resolution was passed unanimously.
Albert de Salvo was the Boston Strangler.
http://www.snopes.com/legal/desalvo.asp (http://www.snopes.com/legal/desalvo.asp)
There's plenty of bullshit going on in Texas. That's why I would never live there. From creationism/id v. evolution to their "eye for an eye" view of the justice system.
Everything's bigger in Texas. Including the bullshit. :wink:
If we had one standard curriculum in the US, we wouldn't have to worry about these people with too much time on their hands changing stuff.
I see a lot of people complaining about Texas and Texans who love their Church and talk about what they did in Church. I would think this would be a good thing and help promote a strong neighborhood, with your children brought up to beleive in God and what is right. If you personally don't know Christ as your Saviour I could see how this might make you feel uncomfortable, however why should thoes who Love God be silent in thier Joy and worship of God.
To rejoice in the Lord and all He has done, to sing to God and pray from the heart is a blessing from God that I wish everyone could feel and understand. I have had many prayers answered and I know there is a God and I want to worship him and talk about him. If I know someone has a problem with God or having faith in God I would not hound you, but pray for you and try to find a common ground to be friends with you, but never push you. At the same time if I say Prasie God and Thank God or pray before eating my meals this should not offend you.
I guess I just don't understand some peoples resentment for God or God's people. I know not every person who proclaims to be a Christian is loving, or kind and many Churches have turned from the true teaching of Jesus, but God is real and if you look you will find Him and all you have to do is ask for the truth and God will show you the way.
Quote from: Doc on March 12, 2010, 09:04:19 AM
I guess I just don't understand some peoples resentment for God or God's people.
This isn't about "resentment for God or God's people."
It is amazement about the stupidity of some people.
Quote from: Doc on March 12, 2010, 09:04:19 AM
I see a lot of people complaining about Texas and Texans who love their Church and talk about what they did in Church. I would think this would be a good thing and help promote a strong neighborhood, with your children brought up to beleive in God and what is right. If you personally don't know Christ as your Saviour I could see how this might make you feel uncomfortable, however why should thoes who Love God be silent in thier Joy and worship of God.
To rejoice in the Lord and all He has done, to sing to God and pray from the heart is a blessing from God that I wish everyone could feel and understand. I have had many prayers answered and I know there is a God and I want to worship him and talk about him. If I know someone has a problem with God or having faith in God I would not hound you, but pray for you and try to find a common ground to be friends with you, but never push you. At the same time if I say Prasie God and Thank God or pray before eating my meals this should not offend you.
I guess I just don't understand some peoples resentment for God or God's people. I know not every person who proclaims to be a Christian is loving, or kind and many Churches have turned from the true teaching of Jesus, but God is real and if you look you will find Him and all you have to do is ask for the truth and God will show you the way.
My original post said nothing about religion. It had everything to do with some of the board members being stupid. And it is obvious that you did not read the article that was linked. Try educating yourself on the topic before you start your sermon, preacher.
Quote from: kimmi on March 12, 2010, 06:57:07 AM
If we had one standard curriculum in the US, we wouldn't have to worry about these people with too much time on their hands changing stuff.
Try getting that one by the so called conservatives.
Quote from: Doc on March 12, 2010, 09:04:19 AM
I see a lot of people complaining about Texas and Texans who love their Church and talk about what they did in Church. I would think this would be a good thing and help promote a strong neighborhood, with your children brought up to beleive in God and what is right. If you personally don't know Christ as your Saviour I could see how this might make you feel uncomfortable, however why should thoes who Love God be silent in thier Joy and worship of God.
To rejoice in the Lord and all He has done, to sing to God and pray from the heart is a blessing from God that I wish everyone could feel and understand. I have had many prayers answered and I know there is a God and I want to worship him and talk about him. If I know someone has a problem with God or having faith in God I would not hound you, but pray for you and try to find a common ground to be friends with you, but never push you. At the same time if I say Prasie God and Thank God or pray before eating my meals this should not offend you.
I guess I just don't understand some peoples resentment for God or God's people. I know not every person who proclaims to be a Christian is loving, or kind and many Churches have turned from the true teaching of Jesus, but God is real and if you look you will find Him and all you have to do is ask for the truth and God will show you the way.
The quoted post is a prime example as to why religious zealots are a favorite target of mine. They attempt to interject religion into every conversation, and play the "poor downtrodden holy-man/woman" part to the hilt; the whole time sticking both hands into your pocket to remove anything valuable from them.
You want religion in your child's school, then pay to put them into a private school that teaches it! Otherwise, STFU and leave your religion out of it.
Why in the heck are they wanting to change or rewrite history and why do I feel like I'm watching Fahrenheit 451, (a movie), trying to become a reality? I know, nothing to do with the subject just an observation.
Quote from: me on March 12, 2010, 03:38:21 PM
Why in the heck are they wanting to change or rewrite history and why do I feel like I'm watching Fahrenheit 451, (a movie), trying to become a reality? I know, nothing to do with the subject just an observation.
It has everything to do with the subject. And you really hit the proverbial nail with that post.
Is that really you? Me? :biggrin:
Quote from: Olias on March 12, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
It has everything to do with the subject. And you really hit the proverbial nail with that post.
Is that really you? Me? :biggrin:
Yep, it be the real "me". Don't tell me we agree on something. :eek:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 12, 2010, 02:33:04 PM
You want religion in your child's school, then pay to put them into a private school that teaches it! Otherwise, STFU and leave your religion out of it.
which brings up another topic, and why there should be vouchers...and that would take care of lot of problems.
this whole debacle in Texas seems pretty stupid, and another reason for non-Christians to jump on the Knock-a-Christian bandwagon.....I think there is bigger fish to fry than worrying about the word Captialism or Free Enterprise....but to defend Texas a tad, there is just as stupid crap going on all over the country....I'm not sure why this is even making the news....
Quote from: Olias on March 12, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
It has everything to do with the subject. And you really hit the proverbial nail with that post.
Is that really you? Me? :biggrin:
Actually, there are more people running around trying to change reality than one might realize. Here's a prime example:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
There's absolutely nothing credible about that site, and I think we've discussed it here before. Interestingly enough, even THEY disagree with the Texas Board of Education on Jefferson. From their article:
Jefferson had absorbed both the latest ideas of the Enlightenment and the precepts of republicanism as taught by the pamphlets of the British "country party", which had long been out of power. Jefferson became committed to the ancient rights of Englishmen possessed by Virginians; he was outraged that parliament would threaten those rights.
Oh and BTW, you can take this entire conversation and have it over on the God sucks thread, because I'll guarantee you that's the genesis of this shit. :mad:
Quote from: Olias on March 11, 2010, 05:36:51 PM
"If the King's English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me!" A quote attributed to "Ma" Ferguson, the first female governor of Texas, in 1925.
Ooops! I missed this one.
Thanks Olias! I've developed an iPhone app of stupid quotes attributed to different individuals and that one is going right in there. :biggrin:
you started it!!... ;D :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 12, 2010, 04:18:38 PM
which brings up another topic, and why there should be vouchers...and that would take care of lot of problems.
this whole debacle in Texas seems pretty stupid, and another reason for non-Christians to jump on the Knock-a-Christian bandwagon.....I think there is bigger fish to fry than worrying about the word Captialism or Free Enterprise....but to defend Texas a tad, there is just as stupid crap going on all over the country....I'm not sure why this is even making the news....
For years Texas has been the tail that wagged the dog when it came to buying school textbooks. Texas was one of the few states that demanded state-wide textbook adoption; the local school boards had no control over the selection of the textbooks that the children in their district used in the classroom. The result is that Texas became an extremely juicy market for textbook publishers, and they modified their books to be acceptable to the state school board.
So what happened? The political/religious makeup of the board became critical in the editing of textbooks because, of course, the publishers wanted that account in the worst way (literally). Since there are relatively few publishers of high school textbooks, and, if several modify their books in order to sell them to Texas, the changed books were the only ones that many school boards were able to afford (large printing of books equals lower prices).
For many years, textbooks have been published with crappy science (especially)in them, and students have learned crappy science, since teachers in many, many school districts are threatened with loss of employment unless the book was taught.
As for myself, I can't think of very many places of greater importance that the issues should be dealt with than the ideas that are taught in our schools.
Because of the far-reaching effects of the results of these debates, I don't think it is stupid at all, unless you don't really care that what is taught is accurate.
Then we end up with groups like the Westboro Baptist Church.
Well it looks like the religious revisionist idiots won. :mad: :mad: :mad:
AUSTIN, Texas - The Texas State Board of Education agreed to new social studies standards on Friday after the far-right faction wielded its power to shape the lessons that will be taught to millions of students on American history, the U.S. free enterprise system, religion and other topics.
In a vote of 10-5, the board preliminarily adopted the new curriculum after days of charged debate marked by race and politics. In dozens of smaller votes passed over the three days, the ultra-conservatives who dominate the board nixed all but a few efforts to recognize the diversity of race and religion in Texas.
Decisions by the board — long led by the social conservatives who have advocated ideas such as teaching more about the weaknesses of evolutionary theory — affects textbook content nationwide because Texas is one of publishers' biggest clients.
As part of the new curriculum, the elected board — made up of lawyers, a dentist and a weekly newspaper publisher among others — rejected an attempt to ensure that children learn why the U.S. was founded on the principle of religious freedom.
But, it agreed to strengthen nods to Christianity by adding references to "laws of nature and nature's God" to a section in U.S. history that requires students to explain major political ideas.
They also agreed to strike the word "democratic" in references to the form of U.S. government, opting instead to call it a "constitutional republic."
In addition to learning the Bill of Rights, the board specified a reference to the Second Amendment right to bear arms in a section about citizenship in a U.S. government class and agreed to require economics students to "analyze the decline of the U.S. dollar including abandonment of the gold standard."
Conservatives also included a plank to ensure that students learn about "the conservative resurgence of the 1980s and 1990s, including Phyllis Schalfly, the Contract With America, the Heritage Foundation, the Moral Majority and the National Rifle Association," The New York Times reported.
The leader of the conservative faction, Don McLeroy, pushed through a change to the teaching of the civil rights movement to ensure that students study the violent philosophy of the Black Panthers in addition to the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s nonviolent approach. He also made sure that textbooks would mention the votes in Congress on civil rights legislation, which Republicans supported, according to the Times.
In economics, the curriculum revisions add Milton Friedman and Friedrich von Hayek, two champions of free-market economic theory, to the usual list of economists to be studied, like Adam Smith, Karl Marx and John Maynard Keynes. The board also replaced the word "capitalism" throughout the texts with the "free-enterprise system."
"Let's face it, capitalism does have a negative connotation," said one conservative member, Terri Leo, according to the Times. "You know, 'capitalist pig!'
Conservatives beat back multiple attempts to include hip-hop as an example of a significant cultural movement that already includes country music.
"We have been about conservatism versus liberalism," said Democrat Mavis Knight of Dallas, explaining her vote against the standards. "We have manipulated strands to insert what we want it to be in the document, regardless as to whether or not it's appropriate."
Republican Terri Leo, a member of the powerful Christian conservative voting bloc, called the standards "world class" and "exceptional."
Jack Plunkett / AP
Diana Gomez, left, and Garrett Mize, along with other University of Texas students, rally before a State Board of Education meeting in Austin on Wednesday.
Over the past three days, the board also argued over how historic periods should be classified (still B.C. and A.D., rather than B.C.E. and C.E.); whether or not students should be required to explain the origins of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its impact on global politics (they will); and whether former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir should be required learning (she will).
Numerous attempts to add the names or references to important Hispanics throughout history also were denied, inducing one amendment that would specify that Tejanos died at the Alamo alongside Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie.
A day earlier, longtime board member Mary Helen Berlanga accused her colleagues of "whitewashing" the standards and walked out of the panel's meeting in frustration. Berlanga voted against the standards on Friday.
Berlanga also bristled when the board approved an amendment that deletes a requirement that sociology students "explain how institutional racism is evident in American society."
The three-day meeting that began Wednesday was the first since voters in last week's Republican primary handed defeats to two veteran conservatives, including former board chairman Don McLeroy, who lost to a moderate GOP lobbyist. Two other conservatives — a Republican and a Democrat — did not seek re-election. All four terms end in January.
McLeroy, a 10-year board veteran, has been one of the most prolific and polarizing members. The devout Christian conservative has been adamant on several issues, including that the Christian influences of the nation's Founding Fathers are important to studying American history.
In Texas alone, the board's decisions will set guideposts for teaching history and social studies to some 4.8 million K-12 students during the next 10 years. In almost six hours of public testimony on Wednesday, the board heard repeated pleas that the Christian heritage of the U.S. be reflected in the new standards as well as other requests that students learn more Hispanic examples of prominent historic figures.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35839979/ns/us_news-education/
Can't be talkin' about how the US was founded on the principle of religious freedom. That goes against their indoctrination of the children. :mad:
DAMMIT!! I can't believe that in this day and age, assholes like this can get away with this kind of shit. They're teaching kids incomplete information and in some cases, outright lies. It's tantamount to child abuse.
Quote from: Locutus on March 12, 2010, 06:25:18 PM
Can't be talkin' about how the US was founded on the principle of religious freedom. That goes against their indoctrination of the children. :mad:
DAMMIT!! I can't believe that in this day and age, assholes like this can get away with this kind of shit. They're teaching kids incomplete information and in some cases, outright lies. It's tantamount to child abuse.
You ought to hear my daughters on this whole thing! They are madder than hell and seriously considering leaving Texas over this crap. When I tol them about the fact these changes influence other states as well they went nuclear!
I am NOT happy about the fact that this is the shit my grandchildren are going to be taught. . .
Sooner or later society will realize what a major screwup this is, and by then it'll be too late! :mad:
I heard that about half of the libraries in Texas have two books and half of them haven't been colored in.
Also the Governor Rick Perry in Texas wants to secede from the union. Good, we'll move up the border fence up to the top of the Texas border and then close it and in less than a year, Texas will be a state of Mexico. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :yes:
I say let them if they're going to continue to influence school curriculum nationwide with this utter BS. :mad:
all I have to say is, that school curiculum has been influenced for years by liberals..especially through out the late 70's...
THIS is a state issue, and from what I really see is, the main thing that conservatives from that state want is that free enterprise needs to be stressed it's importance on the developing of this nation..captialism has been used to describe 'free enterprise" and they do not think that THAT is a fair representation....and for THIS, I agree.
Now there may be other issues I am not aware of that might be overboard...I have only caught a couple of stories about this...and that is what I take from it...
There you go again Henry, your so easy. But it's late, so I get you tomorrow. Get some sleep so you will be alert. I just love to pull your string. No, No, liberals, liberals, taxes, taxes, gloom and more gloom and watch for that Boogie man under your bed. Boogitity boogitity, Goodnight. :o :spooked: :o The Troll
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 15, 2010, 10:43:07 AM...what I really see is, the main thing that conservatives from that state want is that free enterprise needs to be stressed it's importance on the developing of this nation..captialism has been used to describe 'free enterprise" and they do not think that THAT is a fair representation....
This doesn't sound like a "capitalism" vs "free enterprise" semantics issue to me.
The revised curriculum (which plays up the Christian faith of the Founding Fathers, the merits of Joe McCarthy's anti-Communist crusade and the enduring historical importance of Phyllis Schlafly) has not yet been enshrined in textbooks. http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/03/15/texas-textbook-wars-how-conservatives-might-teach-history/
I won't argue about the faith of the Founding Fathers, but you will talk a long time before you convince me McCarthy's crusade had any merit at all, or that Schlafly was more than a punchline on late-night television.
Yes, free enterprise sound so good. The Republicans are so good at changing the meanings of words. Like estate tax to DEATH TAX. Changing the word Liberal to a cuss word, look at the dictionary and see what the word really mean. Changing the war against radical Muslims to the war against terrorism.
But look at the word free enterprise, the common man or woman working to start something for theirselves and start a business downtown. They are really doing a good job. Making money and keeping in their area.
But look at the word Capitalism. Some super big box stores like Walmart, Lowe's, Kohl's, Meijer's and a whole lot more selling FORIEGN goods, come into a city and town build a shopping center on the outside of town and close down every FREE ENTERPRISE BUSINESS in the city and town. Like Walmart, with a employee turn over of over 52%. Paying minimum wages and shimming off the rest to sent it back to Arkansas. Look at Noblesville and Anderson. In Noblesville down town is nothing but lawyers and restaurants. Words mean a lot of things. The Troll :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: The Troll on March 16, 2010, 09:15:33 AM
Yes, free enterprise sound so good. The Republicans are so good at changing the meanings of words. Like estate tax to DEATH TAX. Changing the word Liberal to a cuss word, look at the dictionary and see what the word really mean. Changing the war against radical Muslims to the war against terrorism.
But look at the word free enterprise, the common man or woman working to start something for theirselves and start a business downtown. They are really doing a good job. Making money and keeping in their area.
But look at the word Capitalism. Some super big box stores like Walmart, Lowe's, Kohl's, Meijer's and a whole lot more selling FORIEGN goods, come into a city and town build a shopping center on the outside of town and close down every FREE ENTERPRISE BUSINESS in the city and town. Like Walmart, with a employee turn over of over 52%. Paying minimum wages and shimming off the rest to sent it back to Arkansas. Look at Noblesville and Anderson. In Noblesville down town is nothing but lawyers and restaurants. Words mean a lot of things. The Troll :'( :'( :'(
if you don't like Walmart....don't shop there....if you don't want to work there, don't work there....things ARE what they are....we NOW live in an age where you need an education to gain employement of a decent salary...or you need to work a bunch of hours to get by...but it is a choice we all have to make and the opportunities are STILL there to be successful in this country...
we need to teach our kids the truths....and let them decide what THEY need to do to be successful....give them opportunities...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 12, 2010, 04:18:38 PM
which brings up another topic, and why there should be vouchers...and that would take care of lot of problems.
Oh, so you don't want any tax dollars going to provide health care for those who don't currently have acess to it but you're ok with tax dollars being spent to send kids to religious schools? Seriously?
Henry are you an old Turkey buzzard feeding off the dead and dying in a Hawk suit? I WILL NOT and DO NOT shop at Walmart and I wouldn't work for the scab bastards. The one and only reason I don't shop there is the way they treat and pay their workers.. :razz: :razz: It's so bad you can go everywhere and only find foreign shit to buy. No American jobs.
You must be one of those DUMBASSES who said, we DON'T NEED MANUFACTURING JOBS. All we need is higher education for our people Did you ever hear of Bell's curve. Tell me one thing, after you get all of this super duper education. Where are you going to find a job, when there are no jobs and what do you do with all of the people who are not as smart as you and can't afford higher education. the TROLL :yes: :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 16, 2010, 01:43:46 PM
Oh, so you don't want any tax dollars going to provide health care for those who don't currently have acess to it but you're ok with tax dollars being spent to send kids to religious schools? Seriously?
I want MY tax dollars that is being allowcated for schools to go to the school of my choice...and I didn't say I didn't want ANY tax dollars going to health care for those who don't currently have access, did I?
Quote from: The Troll on March 16, 2010, 02:45:45 PM
Henry are you an old Turkey buzzard feeding off the dead and dying in a Hawk suit? I WILL NOT and DO NOT shop at Walmart and I wouldn't work for the scab bastards. The one and only reason I don't shop there is the way they treat and pay their workers.. :razz: :razz: It's so bad you can go everywhere and only find foreign shit to buy. No American jobs.
You must be one of those DUMBASSES who said, we DON'T NEED MANUFACTURING JOBS. All we need is higher education for our people Did you ever hear of Bell's curve. Tell me one thing, after you get all of this super duper education. Where are you going to find a job, when there are no jobs and what do you do with all of the people who are not as smart as you and can't afford higher education. the TROLL :yes: :yes:
You guys sure are good at puttin words in my mouth...I guess that makes your arguements fit....
what I DID say was, I believe you need a good education to assure yourself a better chance a getting a good salary for employement...I think it would be great to have tons of Manufacturing jobs here, but they don't have to pay $30 an hour....I think there are plenty of folks who would love to have a job at 12 to 15 bucks an hour about right now.....the problem is, your kind of mentality suggests that ALL employees should make enough to raise families and have fancey vacations, bass boats, cars and such....
I think we have a bunch of spoiled class of workers out there who want a first class living off of the cost of others....they want Wally world to pay top dollar and keep cost of goods cheap....which is it you want?
I think there is a fine line...you get that UAW mentality and a dvd player goes from 30 dollars to 100 real quick.......and I don't shop walmart either. I buy American WHEN I can....I'm sick to death at over seas spending....
back on the point, I don't think that paying a guy to stock a shelf a salary equal to a guy who is trained and educated to do a specific job is a good thing, just because he has a powerful union behind him....and THAT is my beef with the UAW....besides the crooked shit that the did back in the glory days....because I witnessed it first hand....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2010, 02:50:34 PM
I want MY tax dollars that is being allowcated for schools to go to the school of my choice...
Well what if I want the tax dollars that
are being allocated for police to go to the police department of my choice or those being allocated for fire departments to go to the department of my choice? Not the way it works, Bucko.
Quote...and I didn't say I didn't want ANY tax dollars going to health care for those who don't currently have access, did I?
That's pretty much exactly what you've been supporting.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 16, 2010, 03:03:33 PM
Well what if I want the tax dollars that are being allocated for police to go to the police department of my choice or those being allocated for fire departments to go to the department of my choice? Not the way it works, Bucko.
That's pretty much exactly what you've been supporting.
No, you are wrong, I would support solution that would lend support to help those who need it, NOT a plan that re does the whole program...and THAT is what is being done...or trying to be done.
and as far as school vouchers, THAT is a solution that should be looked at.....imo
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2010, 03:06:33 PM
and as far as school vouchers, THAT is a solution that should be looked at.....imo
I already pay for
your kids to go to school. It isn't my responsibility to pay for their religious upbringing as well; it's yours.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 16, 2010, 03:38:25 PM
I already pay for your kids to go to school. It isn't my responsibility to pay for their religious upbringing as well; it's yours.
then pay for someone else's kids then (thanks anyway though, and I didn't even get you a Christmas card)...and let ME use MY tax DOLLARS on the school I prefer, and IF, it happens to be a Christian or a Military one or whatever one I WANT my kids to go to.....then so be it.....
HALEJAH, HALEJAH, HALEJAH THE FIRST COMING OF THE ANTICHRIST. Old turkey vulture Henry. Just who in hell do you think you are, God? I sure wouldn't want to live in a country run by you and ilk like you. The rich Henry and the poor, go to Mexico. Just what turnip truck did you fall off of.
Henry,(I sure have a problem of not calling you DUMBASS) :yes: but it sure isn't easy. Henry we live in a democracy. We stand together and work for the good of the ALL. We don't let one Right Wingnut decide for himself how he going to spend his tax dollars. Name me one country that would let you get by with that. We work for the good of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA :yes:and ALL of it's people. Not for the not for THE RIGHT WING OF THE TEABAGGING CHRISTIAN-TALIBAN DICTATORSHIP OF AMERICA. :mad: Your church is tax free and receives all of the services that is provided by me and other taxpayers. :mad: Fire, police, the road to it and so on and so on, Play your Loud bells and music two times per day, :mad:to people who would like to turn it off. They won't let the Muslims use they chanting over loud speaker. As you can guess I live about 300 feet for a large church that has a very loud set of chimes. Also you get to deduct you donations to it from your taxes. How is that fair. Tax break for you church. B.S. :mad: :mad:
I know your one of these people, who doesn't want a minimun wage. You sure would have been a hard-ass slave owner. Probably you would own the skinniest salves around. What I don't get is you think that people "below" you, the people that serve and cook your meals, the people who make it nice for when you go shopping and make it easy for you so you don't have to go out into the warehouse and dig out the things you want (the stores got you checking yourself out :mad:) and all of the other people who follows you around cleaning up after your dirty ass. :no: Just how do you get that they don't deserve a living wage. :rant: Henry you are one hell of a greedy (Christian????) man. :yes: You sure don't follow Jesus way. :yes:
Henry, I started at Ford in 1958 unloading an Assembly line. It ran 63 pound steering gears with columns at 7 per a minute, with two 12 minutes breaks. Reaching out over the assembly line and removing them from their fixture, turning around 180 degrees and up and into a moving conveyor, for $1.81 per hour, lifting 10.5 tons of gears per day, I got the check stubs, Henry. One of the worse jobs I ever had.
Henry, just how many hours, days have you spent on an assembly line. Same on cleaning, down in a septic tank, working beside a heat furnace mopping up dirty quenching oil. Running a gear cutting machine, working with 15 pound gears with the cutting running around 129 degrees, with on fresh air coming in. Just what kind of a ***** job did you have. the Troll :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Troll, you make many thoughtful points, but you devalue them by beating up on Henry, because he doesn't subscribe to every aim you do. Why not consider that his experience has not been the same as yours, and attempt to convince him with appropriate examples and logical reasoning, instead of calling him names. For several days I have been simply skipping your posts because you appeared to toss out venom, instead of logic. Today I read a few, and found some reasonable positions, and persuasive supporting statements.
Henry is a good man. A thoughtful man. He can be persuaded with logic, and he is capable of persuading with that same logic. Ad hominem attacks against him just make you look like another flavor of True Believer (the scourge of rational thinking.)
Try presenting the points without the insults. You'll get farther.
This tactic won't work with me, however. Her logical debate consists primarily of sneering "Nuh-uh... you did it first!" Kind of like the flip-side of Ex. (I think they are in love.)
Yea I do get carried a way. He professes to be a good Christian man, I really don't believe that he even has a heart. The way he look down on people that he feels are below him. He gives a little girl who for unknown reason want to be a boy, hell and damnations, quoting the bible. To me, it is none of his damn business. No compassion, no heart for the down trodden and poor. inferring, If you don't have a education like I have you deserve to starve. No living wage. No health care. From what I was taught about Jesus, he said the meek will inherit the earth, not him. For you kind hearted I'll let up on him a little. I be Mr. Milktoast until he says something real stupid and I bet that don't last to long.
People of the Unknowzone, should I let Henry say anything he wants and not say anything about it.
the Troll
Quote from: The Troll on March 16, 2010, 08:16:08 PM
He gives a little girl who for unknown reason want to be a boy, hell and damnations, quoting the bible.
No he didn't. He said this:
I think it is sad for this little child, and I would probably take the position of the parents and want my child to be happy and I would love her, despite ALL circumstances....no mater what!...Sooner or later you will learn what the others here have learned. You can't get by with whoppers, because I
always check.
Quote from: LOsborne on March 16, 2010, 07:22:03 PM
Troll, you make many thoughtful points, but you devalue them by beating up on Henry, because he doesn't subscribe to every aim you do. Why not consider that his experience has not been the same as yours, and attempt to convince him with appropriate examples and logical reasoning, instead of calling him names. For several days I have been simply skipping your posts because you appeared to toss out venom, instead of logic. Today I read a few, and found some reasonable positions, and persuasive supporting statements.
Henry is a good man. A thoughtful man. He can be persuaded with logic, and he is capable of persuading with that same logic. Ad hominem attacks against him just make you look like another flavor of True Believer (the scourge of rational thinking.)
Try presenting the points without the insults. You'll get farther.
This tactic won't work with me, however. Her logical debate consists primarily of sneering "Nuh-uh... you did it first!" Kind of like the flip-side of Ex. (I think they are in love.)
:spooked: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:
Yes, that what he said Lolly, after I called on what he said first. But who cares what he says. He constantly writting checks, that his ass can't cash. I think one day if he has a MAKER, he is going to have a lot to explain about. And if Jesus come back he is going to be pissed, about what the Taliban Christian have done to this country.
The Troll :yes: :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on March 17, 2010, 08:03:58 PM
Yes, that what he said Lolly, after I called on what he said first.
Wrong again, Troll. The passage I quoted was Henry's first post on the thread, and the only post to precede it was the one by Locutus which began the thread. You had not typed your first word yet on the topic. Hence you didn't call him on dipshit, and it
was what he first said.
I think this is probably the last time I will bother with you. You do not debate in good faith. You make it up as you go along. Poser.
Won't work, Lolly.
His name says it all.
Do not feed.
You know I don't give a damn what Henry has to say. I know I wouldn't want to live in country that he would control or the Taliban teabaggers would control.
If you would tell the truth, for a change, you wouldn't live under his control either. It would be like like going down the rabbit hole into the the WONDERLAND, the world that Alice live in. Off with her head.
The Troll.
I think you'd be real happy in Russia Troll I really do.
Sweetheart, I know about Russia. Do you remember the Cuban embargo, when we were on the edge of Nuclear total destruction. When Russia was sending Nuclear tipped missiles into Cuba. Do you remember where you where. You probably didn't hear about it.
While you were living the good life and practicing you freedom of religion. I was at Fort Knox Kentucky in the United States Army. Since I was a Information Specialist and the driver for the Turret, Fort Knox newspaper, I drove the information officers and news reporters around Fort Knox the world largest armor training center in the world. Gathering information and watching the men of the army who protected you freedom of religion. Load tanks, troop carriers, helicopter and many, many weapons of war onto railroad cars to send to Florida, for war that day and week.
I can remember setting in front of the television, in the television room jammed packed room. with the men standing shoulder to shoulder to watch President Kennedy tell us of the embargo. You could hear a pin drop, after the speech, all of us walk out. wondering how long it be before we would go. Because we were the point of the spear. We were there and we were trained. How about you "ME", I hope you slept good those days, My fellow soldiers and I didn't.
I don't think it Russia for me. You still have the right to practice your religion the way you want. Just leave the rest of us out of it. I did my duty standing at the point of the spear, did you?
Good day, The Troll
Quote from: followsthewolf on March 17, 2010, 08:56:15 PM
Won't work, Lolly.
His name says it all.
Do not feed.
You're right, FTW. I was toying with the notion that he is an ELF. Probably of the reptilian variety since Pari didn't identify him. But garden-variety Internet Tough Guy is more likely correct.
OK, Lolly and Me,don't feed me. I feed off of all of your bullshit. I will never starve with Henry, Me and I guess you, Lolly, at first I thought you had some sense and I had seen some brains in your writting. Henry, I was WRONG about Lolly. He has become the gang of of three. Against little old Troll. Lolly I seen it when you started playing with me. I caught you. ;D ;D
You guys haven't told me where you were during the Cuban embargo. Henry and Me where in church with their bibles, praying for their souls and you Lolly how many draft deferments had you gone though, while you were in college. Or did you go to Canada.
Oh, forgot I still love you. The Troll. :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :biggrin:
Excuse me Troll but Lolly always backs up what she say's with fact or at least proof of why she is stating something. She is also on the opposite end of the fence from Henry and me and we rarely agree on things.
It's really none of your business what I was doing or where I was during the Cuban embargo and has little to do with anything being discussed on here. And also don't start pulling the holier than thou BS about serving in the military because I am from a military family and have several relatives, including one of my daughters, who were career military. The other daughter opted out when she had her kids in order to raise them since her husband was also serving and he is now retired after serving 20yrs.
I will state for the record though that I'm an agnostic and have never been a Bible thumper although I won't put Henry down for believing as he does.
Now come down off your high horse and post links to your sources like the rest of us do and if you don't know how to post a link say so and someone will tell you how.
Quote from: me on March 18, 2010, 03:53:48 PM
And also don't start pulling the holier than thou BS about serving in the military because I am from a military family and have several relatives, including one of my daughters, who were career military.
He thinks he is more of a "patriot" than the mother, daughter and wife of career military personnel, and an Agent Orange widow of a Nam vet because he
passed newspapers at a stateside base during peacetime??? Talk about delusions of
adequacy! QuoteNow come down off your high horse and post links to your sources like the rest of us do and if you don't know how to post a link say so and someone will tell you how.
Aw geez,
me, it never occurred to me he didn't know how to post links. Oooppsss! I think you hit the nail on the head.
Quote from: LOsborne on March 18, 2010, 07:37:28 PM
Aw geez, me, it never occurred to me he didn't know how to post links. Oooppsss! I think you hit the nail on the head.
Well, he can look things up and bulked about posting his sources so I thought maybe he's never learned to do the copy paste thing or didn't realize you could do it with url's. I'm not sure he even realized he could click on that one link I posted and go to my source in that other thread because he ignored it and then said almost the same thing I did about his being to long to copy and paste but nothing about posting a link.
Hey Lolly,
Who's the widow of the Agent Orange Vietnam vet?
That would be me. Further details will not be available.
Edited for clarification. That "me" is Lolly, not me. At least I don't think she's in the same leaky canoe. Me we need to get you a code name so I don't keep getting twisted up. How do you feel about us calling you .... ummm...... BJ?
The reason I ask is because my brother died of multiple myeloma as a result of exposure to Agent Orange.
I wasn't married to your brother. My guy developed cancer of the adrenal glands. NOBODY gets cancer of the adrenal glands. It was found when it metastasized into his lungs and bones. Not quite six months from diagnoses to the grave. Not quite long enough to get disability. What a country.
So much for that noble "no details" bullspit. (blush)
I was fairly sure that you weren't married to my brother, since he was only married once and his wife is still alive.
:smile:
His widow gets NO benefits, since the government claims no responsibility for his disease.
:mad:
Quote from: followsthewolf on March 18, 2010, 09:00:06 PM
His widow gets NO benefits, since the government claims no responsibility for his disease.
I know all the words to that song.
Funny how they don't like to pay the piper for those who were expected to play the tune.
This is some unusual, esoteric use of the word "funny" with which I am unfamiliar, right?
More like extremely sarcastic.
Government tends to use up young men and women when there's a war to be fought.
Always have, always will.
Not a drop of humor intended.
You baby girls, "ME" and Lolly trying to bully me. For some one who can't set and fix the toilet they set their ass on, and because your girlie's, you couldn't even carry my 24 inch pipe wrenches. And you think you're so smart and clever. Because your men and some of your women where in the service. Thank for you service gentlemen men and gentlewoman. But you want to take credit for their service. Give me a break. You copped out.
I was a desk jockey while I was at Fort Knox. Great job, class "A" uniforms every day. Five days a week. Had my own desk to handle all of the training manuals and information for the Instructors at Fort Knox. Was the one and only driver for the Turret and the Information officers. I have been and seen things the regular soldier never get to see and you would never see. You would brown you panties. Damn it was a great job.
But when I left Knox, I was sent into the 316 Chemical Corp.. Now if you want to see some really bad, bad stuff. You need to see and handle war chemicals. One mistake and you are dead. If you get one droplet the size of the period that ends this sentence... If you are a man, in thirty seconds, you pass out you muscles go ridged and you die with an erection.
I think that it is why I never seen action, no one wanted to use gas. Gas the enemy, wait 24 hours let the oxygen in the air, oxidize the gas and count the dead enemy and it isn't a pretty and good way to die. I don't think anyone wanted us to use our weapons. In Iraq, did you notice that the Iraqies did not use it. We have thousands and thousands if not millions of gallons of CN and CS gas and you can't believe how horrible it truly it is and that was 47 years go. What we had is Mickey Mouse to what we have now. Plus we have so many ways of deliver it.
And you were questioning my love of my country and you call yourselves Americans. I wish you were men and I could meet you face to face and have you say what you have said about me to my face. For you to say I don't love my country is total bullshit and you are full of it. I have found some women are the sneaky ones of the human race with sneaking up and stabbing someone in the and go hide again.
I take my country and freedom very seriously. The Troll.
Okay Troll, time to man up and exercise a little grey matter. If you think about it the family of military personnel DON"T understand what the jobs entail; and there is a reason for that. . . and from your postings I take it you fully well understand that.
There's a reason vets don't talk about their jobs and experiences, and you understand that too.
None of this is to say that the families of vets and currently active military personnel do not deserve our utmost respect for their sacrifices, for although they do not risk their lives, the lives of those they hold dearest to their hearts are on the line, (and I fit both of those profiles); and from the sound of it at least a couple of you know what kind of pain that results when that loved one makes the ultimate sacrifice.
There is a reason they call war hell; it is hell on those who are called to duty, but also hell on their entire family. Getting a SATPhone call at 0200 hours from your son telling you he is being airlifted out of Iraq, and then having the line go dead and being unable to obtain any information until 24 hours later, no matter who you know or how far up the chain you can bark. . . that's hell. Been there, done that too.
The families of the men and women who were the first to serve in Iraq, endured not hearing a word from their loved ones for in excess of 90 days. . . And all you see in the media are the body counts and those imbedded traitors who gave away positions. . . Think that wasn't hell too?
Anyway, don't get me started. The point is sullying the good name and reputations of the families of vets and active military personnel by belittling the painful sacrifices they have made and make, serves no good purpose; for certainly their own sacrifices and what they have and do endure is no less precious than the personal service and sacrifices made by their loved ones. And if you are a vet then you know how important being able to count on full support from your family is. . .
And I am a member of the Patriot Guard Riders, who serve to honor those who make the ultimate sacrifice and to shield their families from the religious whacknuts, (some of who reside in the great state of Texas to get back on topic), and media idiots who seek to take advantage of their painful loss and sorrow.
So cut them some slack will yah?
Quote from: The Troll on March 18, 2010, 11:31:41 PM
You baby girls, "ME" and Lolly trying to bully me. For some one who can't set and fix the toilet they set their ass on, and because your girlie's, you couldn't even carry my 24 inch pipe wrenches. And you think you're so smart and clever. Because your men and some of your women where in the service. Thank for you service gentlemen men and gentlewoman. But you want to take credit for their service. Give me a break. You copped out.
I was a desk jockey while I was at Fort Knox. Great job, class "A" uniforms every day. Five days a week. Had my own desk to handle all of the training manuals and information for the Instructors at Fort Knox. Was the one and only driver for the Turret and the Information officers. I have been and seen things the regular soldier never get to see and you would never see. You would brown you panties. Damn it was a great job.
But when I left Knox, I was sent into the 316 Chemical Corp.. Now if you want to see some really bad, bad stuff. You need to see and handle war chemicals. One mistake and you are dead. If you get one droplet the size of the period that ends this sentence... If you are a man, in thirty seconds, you pass out you muscles go ridged and you die with an erection.
I think that it is why I never seen action, no one wanted to use gas. Gas the enemy, wait 24 hours let the oxygen in the air, oxidize the gas and count the dead enemy and it isn't a pretty and good way to die. I don't think anyone wanted us to use our weapons. In Iraq, did you notice that the Iraqies did not use it. We have thousands and thousands if not millions of gallons of CN and CS gas and you can't believe how horrible it truly it is and that was 47 years go. What we had is Mickey Mouse to what we have now. Plus we have so many ways of deliver it.
And you were questioning my love of my country and you call yourselves Americans. I wish you were men and I could meet you face to face and have you say what you have said about me to my face. For you to say I don't love my country is total bullshit and you are full of it. I have found some women are the sneaky ones of the human race with sneaking up and stabbing someone in the and go hide again.
I take my country and freedom very seriously. The Troll.
Got a hot news flash for ya buddy. I've been on the business end of a sewer machine, and I'm not talking a sink machine either, and handled the cables plus I've set toilets, repaired faucets, and numerous other plumbing jobs so that don't wash here either. I'm probably wasting my time here but quit with the put downs already it's not productive and serves no purpose.
Troll,
Where exactly did one of the ladies say that "YOU did not love your country?"...
I think maybe you just like to rant and rave, so you gotta make up a few things to get all riled up.....
just try getting off of your high horse for a spell......you have been attack, myself, me and lolly for a week now, and personaly I don't care, you can say what you want about myself, but you are only proving your ability to actually carry on an intelligent debate....you are good for a laugh, or was, but now THAT is starting to get old....
lighten up a tad....
your good buddy, Hank.. ;) :razz:
The troll said, I think that it is why I never seen action, no one wanted to use gas.
He didn't see action, because there was no war in 1962. :wall:
He also said:
Quote from: The Troll on March 18, 2010, 11:31:41 PM
In Iraq, did you notice that the Iraqies did not use it.
but that is NOT true...Gas was used by Saddam and his forces on a Kurdish town in Iraqi and it killed thousands of people and injured thousands more....and THAT is why we chose NOT to 'trust' them when he said he didn't have any WMD's.....because he proved that he CAN use them, even against people from his very own country...
You people who are in line to get a little Troll butt. "ME" a woman and now Lolly a woman I can see what I up against and with Henry, he need to pull his big girl panties because he has joined them. He like a little chicken**** of a guy, who had a had a 6ft 250lb, lowbrow friend and he would start a fight. He would step over and out of the fight and watch his buddy beat up the other people and laugh about. Well, they figure out what was happening. One night the boys that had been beaten by his friend caught him by himself. He got what he deserved.
And the women well that another thing. The first job out of high school, I went to at a glass factory. There were about 30 woman and three men, I was one of them. Just one hell of a greenhorn when it came to working with women. What an education. I never seen such backstabbing, rumor starting, hair pulling fights and about once a month all of they had PMS. One second they were the sweetest people you would meet. But, let them think you were being to good to one of the women, Kitty barb the door. One night one of the women ask he to go get her a coke out of the machine. Oh my god, I had to go and get about 20 of them a cokes. It didn't take me very long to watch my back, when it came to women. They won't come out and call you a sonuvabitch to you face, but oh how they will say little smart remarks and stab you in the back. And rat, some them would rat out everyone to the boss on any thing.. I think this is the problem, I'm dealing with women, Henry included And you can't even think about fighting them. "Their just poor little women" MY ASS THE ARE!
I'll make a deal with you. Stop the "he's a desk jockey staying in the states" and the other snide remarks and about my military experiences, because you have never, never heard me say anything against your people who was or is in service. Just you, There was no active war, just the COLD WAR going on when I was in service. But I'm going to tell you women and Henry, you guys wouldn't have wanted to see the 316th Chemical Corp, the chemical, biological and radiological corp. go to war. We had WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. We would have used them. Believe me! The Troll
On day I thought the army was going overboard of some of the training, I went to the Master Sargent and complained about. He said, Troll (not my real name) you volunteered, you signed the papers and you took the oath, now shut up and get back to work. You women volunteered, you didn't take the oath and you didn't sign the papers. I think you should follow the Master Sargent orders. Truce or not, that is the question. It's up to you.
The Troll
Henry, you dumbass, yes, he used it on his own people, BUT HE SURE DIDN'T USE IT ON US, HE KNEW BETTER. Oh my god (small "g" just a term) how damn dumb can a person be!!!!!!!!!
i think this thread is WAY off topic....
I should NOT have been feeding the "trolls".....I have been warned not too, but yet I did!....my bad! :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on March 19, 2010, 08:44:52 AMHe said, Troll (not my real name)
Really? Coulda fooled me!
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Quote from: Olias on March 19, 2010, 09:12:27 AM
Really? Coulda fooled me!
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
:rotfl:
Henry, thanks for feeding me. You of all people know that Trolls live on and in shit you foul birds put out.
Your are some much fun, you are just like a large marionette. Pull a string and you shit. Pull a string and you jump, Pull a string and you say Amen. Pull and string and you lose all control. Oh my god(small g just a term) you're an enjoyment. This is the first forum I have ever been on and I have never had or use a computer before a year ago before I bought my Dell. Couldn't use one and had no need for one. But WOW this is truly fun and you and ME even more fun. You guys are just like having two human size marionette's.
You know, I like to fish and take my boat out and troll for fish. You go out on a beautiful day. You take two of you poles. The size or you "pole" you use depends of how large of a fish you are going after. You use a circle hook, because you don't have to set the hook, the fish catches himself. Put a big gob of bait on it, throw it out, set you speed and you go trolling. And just like this forum, sure enough along come a big mouth catfish and hooks himself. When the weather get good, I'll be out trolling. Practicing for our next encounter and don't forget I still love you.
The Troll :wink: :smile: :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on March 18, 2010, 07:58:06 AM
I did my duty standing at the point of the spear, did you?
I did!
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Quote from: Exterminator on March 19, 2010, 10:19:50 AM
I did!
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was you part of the third herd?...
Yep; 503d MP Co.
"Me" I was educated as an industrial pipefitter/plumber as being an elite in that field, we let the uneducated and unskilled cleanup team clean the sewers for us. It doesn't take brains to get down in the shit, piss and the dirt to run an drain cleaning machine. I am glad you were qualified to run one. :wink: :wink:
The Troll. :) ;D :smitten:
Quote from: The Troll on March 19, 2010, 12:34:43 PM
"Me" I was educated as an industrial pipefitter/plumber as being an elite in that field, we let the uneducated and unskilled cleanup team clean the sewers for us. It doesn't take brains to get down in the shit, piss and the dirt to run an drain cleaning machine. I am glad you were qualified to run one. :wink: :wink:
The Troll. :) ;D :smitten:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :lipsrsealed2:
(http://propagandica.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/crack.jpg)
Enabler! Enabler!
Olias is serving up crack for the addicts! :biggrin:
Want some coke?
Have some weed
You know me
I'm your friend
Your main boy
Thick and thin
I'm your Pusherman
:icon_twisted:
Quote from: Olias on March 19, 2010, 12:54:22 PM
Want some coke?
Have some weed
You know me
I'm your friend
Your main boy
Thick and thin
I'm your Pusherman
:icon_twisted:
I knew you were an enabler, but a master enabler? I had no idea! :biggrin:
And all this time I was thinking when you used the term "weed n feed" you were talking about lawn care!
Quote from: Olias on March 19, 2010, 12:54:22 PM
Want some coke?
Have some weed
You know me
I'm your friend
Your main boy
Thick and thin
I'm your Pusherman
:icon_twisted:
from the Curtis Mayfield Plumbing Co...
Peter Rooter, that's the name,
Yah just flush your troubles, down the drain. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on March 19, 2010, 01:26:59 PM
Peter Rooter, that's the name,
Yah just flush your troubles, down the drain. . .
rotten Pe...naw, I'll stop there....Cheech n Chong were genius
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Quote from: LOsborne on March 19, 2010, 06:55:25 PM
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:food24: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Good morning Henry, have you watched the TV lately. This was not probably of Fox. But, I was watching the actual meeting of the Taxes Board of Education conducting a debate of the school teaching. Some of them were identified by what they did and their education. After watching this for a while. I shoved my finger down my throat and went to the water closet (toilet for non-plumbers) and relieved myself. Dumb and dumber. If the dumbasses get through what they want we are going a bunch a dumber kids. :yes: :yes: :yes:
The Troll. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Sandy, by chance did you see how Fox News Network made that phony film clip. Where the dumbass kid was supossly dress up and a Pimp and his dumbass girl friend dress like a whore, went to ACORN trying to smuggle in some whores from Mexico.
Fox News did not make that film it was two college students on their own who made it Fox just aired it. If you're going to tell something get it straight at least. It was also not a phony film clip evidently because the people involved were fired. Of course you didn't hear that on the lame stream media did ya?
And, of course, as it made the rounds of the internet no one believed it until it was verified, right?
I mean, everything posted on the internet is always correct, right?
And no one forms an opinion and passes it along without verifying the information, right?
Say guys who watch the Fox News. On Hannity's show where he show those two Republican SHILLS, went into an ACORN office trying to get Mexican whores shipped in. A COMPLETE DAMN LIE AND FRUAD. And you people who watch Fox took it all in. Some people are not to smart.
The Troll :biggrin: :biggrin: :yes: :yes:
Researching something means that you stand the risk of losing the warm and fuzzy feeling.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 08, 2010, 09:46:52 AM
Researching something means that you stand the risk of losing the warm and fuzzy feeling.
or simply confirm what you already knew...
Researching, by definition means that you don't just search for random information that only supports your point of view. There are many variables to be considered when selecting a source and one that should not be and that's what you already believe.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 08, 2010, 09:50:24 AM
Researching, by definition means that you don't just search for random information that only supports your point of view. There are many variables to be considered when selecting a source and one that should not be and that's what you already believe.
believe me, I read plenyt of sources that doesn't always agree with my view, thanks to my forum family... :razz: ;)
Quote from: me on March 19, 2010, 12:48:39 AM
Got a hot news flash for ya buddy. I've been on the business end of a sewer machine, and I'm not talking a sink machine either, and handled the cables plus I've set toilets, repaired faucets, and numerous other plumbing jobs so that don't wash here either. I'm probably wasting my time here but quit with the put downs already it's not productive and serves no purpose.
"ME" it's sure sound like you have been up to your butt in shit. Question: If you found Henry caught in a septic tank going down the third time, would you jump and save and clean him up. :laugh: :laugh: The Troll :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on April 08, 2010, 07:55:06 AM
. . . Some people are not to smart.
The Troll :biggrin: :biggrin: :yes: :yes:
And you are just waking up to that fact? :spooked:
Quote from: The Troll on April 08, 2010, 06:51:11 PM
"ME" it's sure sound like you have been up to your butt in shit. Question: If you found Henry caught in a septic tank going down the third time, would you jump and save and clean him up. :laugh: :laugh: The Troll :yes:
I'd even do that for you "snookums" :kiss: :flower3:
I let turds sink or float, according to their nature. Under no circumstance am I digging them out.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 08, 2010, 07:59:02 PM
I let turds sink or float, according to their nature. Under no circumstance am I digging them out.
Good point PH.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 08, 2010, 07:59:02 PM
I let turds sink or float, according to their nature. Under no circumstance am I digging them out.
In Washington and in the twin's life, it like a septic tank, but in reverse. The shit settles to the top, which clogs up the branch lines and their brains.
The Troll.
Which is EXACTLY why I keep liquid Draino on hand. :biggrin:
Quote from: me on April 08, 2010, 07:26:11 PM
I'd even do that for you "snookums" :kiss: :flower3:
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Quote from: me on April 08, 2010, 12:10:47 AM
Fox News did not make that film it was two college students on their own who made it Fox just aired it. If you're going to tell something get it straight at least. It was also not a phony film clip evidently because the people involved were fired. Of course you didn't hear that on the lame stream media did ya?
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