QuoteIn a face-to-face encounter, President Barack Obama chastised Republican lawmakers Friday for opposing him on health care, economic stimulus and other major issues.
Republicans pushed back on taxes and spending, and accused Obama of not taking their ideas seriously.
Obama, attending the House Republicans' retreat in Baltimore, began with conciliatory remarks but soon became more pointed. He said a GOP-driven "politics of no" was blocking action on bills that could help Americans obtain jobs and health care.
In a sometimes-barbed exchange, he said some in the audience have attended ribbon-cutting ceremonies for projects funded by the stimulus package they voted against. Obama also questioned why Republicans have overwhelmingly opposed his tax-cut policies, which he said have benefited 95 percent of American families.
"The notion that this was a radical package is just not true," Obama said. "I am not an ideologue."
http://m.npr.org/story/123118658
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Ah, but the Dems have, or had, the majority so how can he blame it on just the Republicans? Just how did the Republicans block it they had no power at all and couldn't even filibuster.
If you aren't a part of the solution, then you're a part of the problem and it's obvious the house Repubs are.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on January 30, 2010, 07:18:13 PM
If you aren't a part of the solution, then you're a part of the problem and it's obvious the house Repubs are.
That didn't answer my question that just repeated what you and the mainstream media keep telling us. How, with no power, did the Republicans stop it? The Democrats alone could have passed it with no problem since they held the majority.
Well it couldn't be that they've passed so much misinformation about the bill and have complained until the bill is but a bastardized verison of the original bill so that the democrats are unhappy with it the way it is because it doesn't benefit the individuals but rather the insurance companies, now could it? :rolleyes:
Mainstream media...no me...it's obvious that the republicans are part of the problem. They've been kicking, screaming and whining since November 2008.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on January 30, 2010, 07:49:42 PM
Well it couldn't be that they've passed so much misinformation about the bill and have complained until the bill is but a bastardized verison of the original bill so that the democrats are unhappy with it the way it is because it doesn't benefit the individuals but rather the insurance companies, now could it? :rolleyes:
Mainstream media...no me...it's obvious that the republicans are part of the problem. They've been kicking, screaming and whining since November 2008.
But if they read the bill they know what's in it and would have made the decision on that rather than misinformation wouldn't they? I mean the Republicans could have complained 'til dooms day and it still would have made no difference when it came to a vote since they could have all voted no, which they didn't, and it just wouldn't have mattered one way or the other.
When did you get back into the country? A lot has happened since you've been gone. Do some catching up and then we'll discuss this.
Quote from: me on January 30, 2010, 08:13:00 PM
But if they read the bill they know what's in it and would have made the decision on that rather than misinformation wouldn't they?
I'll go v-e-r-y slowly and try to use small words.
The original bill is not the one which was voted on. The original bill was
altered changed to appease
constituents voters from home districts who believed the bullshit tossed out by Bill-O and Rush. These changes
benefit help the insurance and
pharmaceutical drug companies. So responsible congresspeople have a hard time voting for a bill that does nothing to curb those who already profit obscenely from the healthcare industry as it stands.
Quote from: LOsborne on January 30, 2010, 08:23:07 PM
I'll go v-e-r-y slowly and try to use small words.
The original bill is not the one which was voted on. The original bill was altered changed to appease constituents voters from home districts who believed the bullshit tossed out by Bill-O and Rush. These changes benefit help the insurance and pharmaceutical drug companies. So responsible congresspeople have a hard time voting for a bill that does nothing to curb those who already profit obscenely from the healthcare industry as it stands.
Ah, so it's the voters fault now since they had questions about the bill and wanted to know what was in it? BTW exactly who wrote such a huge bill and who introduced, sponsored, it? No, I don't know but since ya'll know so much I though maybe you could enlighten me.
No, it isn't the voters fault, it is congress's fault bottom line.
Pork, change this, change that, until the whole intention of the bill is 180 degrees from its intended path and target; to help those who are being punished needlessly. Instead, it now benefits those very entities that the SCOTUS gave even more insane power to influence our legislative branch.
Quote from: Palehorse on January 30, 2010, 10:48:06 PM
No, it isn't the voters fault, it is congress's fault bottom line.
Pork, change this, change that, until the whole intention of the bill is 180 degrees from its intended path and target; to help those who are being punished needlessly. Instead, it now benefits those very entities that the SCOTUS gave even more insane power to influence our legislative branch.
Right and not just the Republicans fault. The Dem's had control the whole way and it still didn't get done. One thing for sure if Obama didn't know what was going on but only knew what he was being told he knows now and lets hope he snaps a knot in some tails and figures out what needs to be done like control Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed.
OH GIVE ME A BREAK; "me" how can you get so many things, just plain, flat wrong. You say that the Democrats can pass any law they want because they have 51 Democrats votes in the senate.
You just gota be kidding, getting the Democrats to work 100% together on any thing is like herding cats. Just dealing with the Blue Dogs is just a pain in the ass for us. Plus some them from the South are Republicans in Democrat clothing,
But, the real problem is, that you Republicans want 60 votes to pass a law. Even you guys pass laws with 51, even holding a vote open to 4:30 in the morning. The unfunded drug bill. Now the Republican has become the party of NO, NO, NO, sink OBama and destroy America. What more can I say. The Troll. :confused: :confused: :confused:
btw......this so called GREAT Health Care Bill will NOT even go into effect until 2014.....so, don't give me this sh!t that it has to passed this week, without even knowing what the hell is in it....THAT is the most arrogant and pompus and irresponsible vote this country will have ever witnessed if this thing passes right now....and the democrats are commiting political suicide if this happens, because Americans are not real happy right now about the way they are trying to shove this peice of legislature down our throats.....it is typical Chi Town Politics....and it sucks! :mad:
Henry, every country in the modern free world has health care for it's people. The U.S.A. is the only country that doesn't. Don't you think there is some wrong with this picture. The only people against it is the Republican rich and people like you. The compassionate one. I fact old Rush thinks he might go to one.
The Troll
Good people, who do you think is more on the right course for the people. Henry Hawk :mad: :rant:or the Troll. :angel: ;)
Have you checked lately to see what kind of shape those countries are in and what their health care is really like?
Quote from: The Troll on March 15, 2010, 09:29:24 PM
Henry, every country in the modern free world has health care for it's people. The U.S.A. is the only country that doesn't. Don't you think there is some wrong with this picture. The only people against it is the Republican rich and people like you. The compassionate one. I fact old Rush thinks he might go to one.
The Troll
Sweetheart, we're just as bad off as they are. In fact a lot of their problem was caused by our crooked stock marketeers selling junk real estate bonds and junk derivatives.
A poll was taken of the people living over there and us. The people were more satisfied than us. The Republicans are poisoning our well. The Troll :yes:
You just keep living in your fantasy world. I'll bet you think Russia is an ideal place to live.
Quote from: The Troll on March 15, 2010, 11:11:04 PM
Sweetheart, we're just as bad off as they are. In fact a lot of their problem was caused by our crooked stock marketeers selling junk real estate bonds and junk derivatives.
A poll was taken of the people living over there and us. The people were more satisfied than us. The Republicans are poisoning our well. The Troll :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on March 15, 2010, 11:11:04 PM
A poll was taken of the people living over there and us. The people were more satisfied than us.
Source, please?
Quote from: The Troll on March 15, 2010, 09:29:24 PM
Henry, every country in the modern free world has health care for it's people. The U.S.A. is the only country that doesn't. Don't you think there is some wrong with this picture. The only people against it is the Republican rich and people like you. The compassionate one. I fact old Rush thinks he might go to one.
The Troll
I don't give a ratass what OTHER countries are doing...it is the USA that is STILL the greatest country on this earth...it is the USA, that is developing new drugs, and medical techniques and doing the research that allows us to HAVE the greatest Healthcare that man has ever known...IF, you want this so-called health care that the rest of the free world has, then go! THE people of this country is NOW exercising it's freedoms, and respecting the constitution, by going through it's due process....there is rallies going on everywhere expressing their opinions on this.....this NOT just a republican thing going on right now....
and Mr. Troll, Lolly asked you a great question, can YOU, provide a source of YOUR poll that the people are MORE satified than us?....I would LOVE to see that, I'm sure it won't be hard to find... :wink:
btw, just for the record, I do not at this time consider myself a republican....I DO, consider myself a conservative, and a very PROUD one at that....
I CAN also provide polls of my own that support MY reasons....
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/03/poll-most-americans-satisfied-with-health-care-system/ (http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/03/poll-most-americans-satisfied-with-health-care-system/)
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform)
the bottom line for me, I don't really care what europe is doing, it is Americans to decide what is best for Americans...and we will soon see what America has to say....
Henry, get some books out and read. We rate about 7 or 8 in the standard of living in the world, yes Henry, 7 or 8th in the world in the standard of living.
Watch some travel loges, they are living a whole lot better than they did just after World War II.
Plus most of our wonder drugs are made overseas so the drug companies can make more money. The same drugs that sell in Canada and other foreign country for 50% to 75% cheaper than we have to pay. Read, learn Henry, don't be a wind bag and just blow hot air.
The Troll :wink: :biggrin: :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on March 16, 2010, 09:31:17 AM
Henry, get some books out and read. We rate about 7 or 8 in the standard of living in the world, yes Henry, 7 or 8th in the world in the standard of living.
The Troll :wink: :biggrin: :yes:
Then provide some evidence or a source to back up your claims then....MAKE me a believer....if it is THAT evident then a source will be easy to provide, right?
personally, I am very satisfied with this Nation of ours, even with our liberals.. ;D ... when you look at the standard of living you also need to look at the big picture of our freedoms, without gov interference....
maybe it's time for those who want MORE gov control of their lives should move to those places?...this country has been pretty darn good, without socialistic interference for a couple of hundred years....but we are slowly losing more and more freedoms...we got to be careful and not just become lethargic and blindly follow politicians, who think they know waht is best for us....it is STILL our country, NOT the politicians... :no:
When are you ever going to learn the difference between the quality of health care and the quality of the health care delivery system?
The first line from the article you cite ...
"A new CNN poll finds that more than 80% of Americans are satisfied with the quality of their health care."
Yeah, I love my doctor too. But I hate the damned insurance company!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2010, 08:57:56 AM
I CAN also provide polls of my own that support MY reasons....
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/03/poll-most-americans-satisfied-with-health-care-system/ (http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/03/poll-most-americans-satisfied-with-health-care-system/)
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform)
Quote from: Olias on March 16, 2010, 09:52:25 AM
When are you ever going to learn the difference between the quality of health care and the quality of the health care delivery system?
The first line from the article you cite ...
"A new CNN poll finds that more than 80% of Americans are satisfied with the quality of their health care."
Yeah, I love my doctor too. But I hate the damned insurance company!
before you go all dog day afternoon on me.....the point is, Americans are satisfied enough to where they don't want the changes that MAY be attached to this bill....and I say MAY, because even the Speaker of the House is not saying what is in it....
I can say that I am satisfied with paying $2.75 for a gallon of gas....because I don't want to pay $3.50 a gallon....I would rather pay $1.75...we need to get there, but NOT by the means that congress is tyring to do...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2010, 10:01:41 AM
before you go all dog day afternoon on me.....the point is, Americans are satisfied enough to where they don't want the changes that MAY be attached to this bill....and I say MAY, because even the Speaker of the House is not saying what is in it....
I can say that I am satisfied with paying $2.75 for a gallon of gas....because I don't want to pay $3.50 a gallon....I would rather pay $1.75...we need to get there, but NOT by the means that congress is tyring to do...
"He won't listen to anybody. He's been very crazy all summer. Since June he's been trying to kill me."
How did you feel about paying the $4.00/gallon gas price that the Bush administration brought you? 'Cuz that is what is going to happen to insurance premiums if we don't get a handle on the insurance companies and overall heath care
delivery costs.
Quote from: Olias on March 16, 2010, 11:17:03 AM
"He won't listen to anybody. He's been very crazy all summer. Since June he's been trying to kill me."
How did you feel about paying the $4.00/gallon gas price that the Bush administration brought you? 'Cuz that is what is going to happen to insurance premiums if we don't get a handle on the insurance companies and overall heath care delivery costs.
Bush had NOTHING to do with the High Cost of Gas..........other that the fact, that he did NOT expand our abilities to become independent from foreign oil....which has MORE to do with liberal doings...
I mean, how do they expect you to get uncrazy if you're asleep all the time?
Seriously, which rock?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2010, 08:57:56 AM
...there is rallies going on everywhere expressing their opinions on this...
Yeah, there was one in Indy yesterday and all four of Indiana's tea-baggers were there. LMAO! :biggrin:
Quote...the bottom line for me, I don't really care what europe is doing, it is Americans to decide what is best for Americans...and we will soon see what America has to say....
All we are going to see is what the insurance industry has to say through their bought-and-paid-for representatives in Congress.
Henry, as you read this, you have before you one of the most power instruments in the world for informantion. The computer.
GO TO GOGGLE AND TYPE THIS IN!
(what is the rating of the usa in standard of living. ) You will find more than 10 pages of information
(what is the rating of the usa in healthcare in the world.) We're about 38th.
Facts are facts, Henry there are people who can't see what they won't see. You will see that we are not in good shape as the Health Insurance companies and the Super Rich wants to believe
The Troll :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :yes: :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on March 16, 2010, 01:52:32 PM
Henry, as you read this, you have before you one of the most power instruments in the world for informantion. The computer.
GO TO GOGGLE AND TYPE THIS IN!
(what is the rating of the usa in standard of living. ) You will find more than 10 pages of information
(what is the rating of the usa in healthcare in the world.) We're about 38th.
Facts are facts, Henry there are people who can't see what they won't see. You will see that we are not in good shape as the Health Insurance companies and the Super Rich wants to believe
The Troll :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :yes: :yes:
let's put it this way....I am not super rich, but I love my HC the way it is right now....and I have no problem with a solution to help those who don't....I know there is a problem that needs fixed.
and I do know, that my life is as good as it could get...I have a job, a good family, a place to worship and (for now) freedoms to do what I want......I don't have too much gov control of my life.....
why is it you want more gov control of our lives?......
Quote from: Exterminator on March 16, 2010, 01:28:03 PM
All we are going to see is what the insurance industry has to say through their bought-and-paid-for representatives in Congress.
And thanks to the recent ruling by the SCOTUS, there are going to be a lot more bought-and-paid-for representatives.
Quote from: The Troll on March 15, 2010, 11:11:04 PM
A poll was taken of the people living over there and us. The people were more satisfied than us.
Was a source for this statement ever provided?
And before you go all hillbilly ninja on me, Troll, you should know that both
me and Henry consider me a wild-eyed radical with dangerous revolutionary plans. But when you deliver a declarative statement as a fact, you gotta show me the source. I might want to use it.
LOsborne, my lightest voice and the most even temperament. the information you want is right before you as you read this, IT'S YOUR COMPUTER!
Just Goggle this in, "what is the standard of living rating of usa in the world."
Just Goggle this in, "what is the standard of healthcare rating of usa in the world.
You will find more information than you will want to read, but America is not as in good shape as the health insurance companies and the people who don't want health care for our people, wants us to believe and don't misalign the hillybilly's, their also one of the group of people, who have mistreated by the elite.
The Troll :) :) :)
Troll, the issue is not whether I can research the question. The issue is why you think your unsupported word is good enough. Anybody can make up "facts," and then claim a person with an opposing viewpoint is a sloppy researcher, or didn't look hard enough.
Chicken Little said the sky is falling with more supporting evidence than you have provided. The basic rule of journalism is to have at least two sources, and to provide them. If you choose not to do so, I'm left to conclude you learned persuasive writing at the feet of Joe McCarthy, waving his grocery list and declaiming "I have here a list of the Communists in the top offices of this country."
Quote from: The Troll on March 17, 2010, 08:16:43 AM
..and don't misalign the hillybilly's...
I was unaware that misalignment is a common issue with hillbillies. What is misaligned?
And you can call me Lolly. Everyone else does.
Quote from: LOsborne on March 16, 2010, 07:04:46 PM
Troll, you should know that both me and Henry consider me a wild-eyed radical with dangerous revolutionary plans.
That aint no lie either....she is as wild-eyed as they come!!.. :spooked: :razz:
;D ....
Quote from: LOsborne on March 17, 2010, 08:25:53 AM
I was unaware that misalignment is a common issue with hillbillies. What is misaligned?
And you can call me Lolly. Everyone else does.
I was born and raised in the mountains of southwestern Virginia. I have one leg shorter than the other from all that walking on mountainsides. I would call that misaligned.
:wink:
Quote from: Olias on March 17, 2010, 09:13:47 AM
I was born and raised in the mountains of southwestern Virginia. I have one leg shorter than the other from all that walking on mountainsides. I would call that misaligned.
:wink:
Okay, let me think about this for a minute....if you are walking to the east and your left leg is shorter, I can see where you could make pretty good time....but coming back, unless you walked backwards, which would be tough.....wouldn't you do cartwheels down the mountain...making coming home a near impossible task?....just a thought BEFORE my first cup of coffee...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 17, 2010, 09:22:42 AM
Okay, let me think about this for a minute....if you are walking to the east and your left leg is shorter, I can see where you could make pretty good time....but coming back, unless you walked backwards, which would be tough.....wouldn't you do cartwheels down the mountain...making coming home a near impossible task?....just a thought BEFORE my first cup of coffee...
We walked all the way AROUND the mountain! One way! Have some more coffee! With a little shot of Jameson!
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Lolly, thou are thou playing thy Troll. My unsupported word. Are thou a meathead, a cabbage head. If you would take thou educated brain and go to the sites and thou can read and understand simple English which you seem to have some control of. READ THE DAMN STUFF! I'm not going to take a "baby" spoon and feed it to you. My word is my bond, I don't lie, because I don't have to or prove it to someone like you, that I'm something I am not. Because everything I have done in my life didn't have you in it. :wink: :biggrin: :biggrin: :yes:
The Troll :razz: :razz: :razz: :yes:
Troll - sorry, but Lolly is right. It's not a matter of spoon-feeding...it's a matter of diminishing the integrity of your arguement/discussion when you don't support your comments w/facts. It's your comment and so the burden of proof to support your position lies with you. Plus, it's the courteous thing to do.
http:/aen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof
:thubb: :ogle: :wave: :lol:
Dear Super Rumor Stopping Hero Eggo, if you think that I am going to print all of the information that is available to you on these sites at the touch of your little bitty fingers, you must be in Lolly land. tho I was an Information Specialist in the U.S. Army, I am not a journalist.
You guys are the WORDSMITHS. If you don't like the way I presented the facts to you, PROVE ME WRONG. How about that. All you have to do is tell he I am wrong and you present your written facts. I have not been college educated in in the fine are of wordsmithing. I am just a plumber/pipefitter who have had to deal with facts and people like you. Take what I say, believe it, if you want, but I don't think you will find me wrong very many times. I sure don't ever want to be wrong.
the Troll
Quote from: The Troll on March 17, 2010, 02:31:09 PM
Dear Super Rumor Stopping Hero Eggo, if you think that I am going to print all of the information that is available to you on these sites at the touch of your little bitty fingers, you must be in Lolly land. tho I was an Information Specialist in the U.S. Army, I am not a journalist.
You guys are the WORDSMITHS. If you don't like the way I presented the facts to you, PROVE ME WRONG. How about that. All you have to do is tell he I am wrong and you present your written facts. I have not been college educated in in the fine are of wordsmithing. I am just a plumber/pipefitter who have had to deal with facts and people like you. Take what I say, believe it, if you want, but I don't think you will find me wrong very many times. I sure don't ever want to be wrong.
the Troll
you are wrong...!!..How's THAT!....I don't lie either, never have, never will.....(okay there was that ONE time when I was 7)....but, just take my word for it Troll, you got it wrong this time... :razz:
No one is asking you to print anything...just post a link.
Well One Wing Hawk, only got one right wing and he flies in circles. I told you to prove it many, many time in the past. You haven't prove one not even one of your statements. Did someone remove your feeding tubes. That what most brain people have, is feeding tubes. :biggrin: :biggrin:
The Troll. :angel: :angel: ;)
Quote from: The Troll on March 17, 2010, 04:14:14 PM
Well One Wing Hawk, only got one right wing and he flies in circles. I told you to prove it many, many time in the past. You haven't prove one not even one of your statements. Did someone remove your feeding tubes. That what most brain people have, is feeding tubes. :biggrin: :biggrin:
The Troll. :angel: :angel: ;)
WHAT exactly do you want me to prove?... :confused: Mr. Troll, with all due respect, you have me confused half the time, one minute your are taking about Dr. Zuess, then feeding tubes, about how good a shot you are...misalign the hillybilly's....as God as my witness, I'm not REAL sure what you ARE tallking about, ask me something specific that you want me to prove, that I said..and..that I already have not posted my support...
Henry, have you been watching your Teabagger Party on the TV. You just have to watch what is on TV today. Two of you loving and caring Teabaggers talking to an old man setting on the ground.
The man looked like he was in this late 6o's to 70's sitting on the ground with a sign saying that he had Parkinson disease and needed healthcare. Two of your assholes in their 30's hovering over him, screaming that we over here don't give healthcare and to get up and get a job and pay for it himself. One of the assholes was throwing $5 bills at him, in fact two of them. What a free spending son of a bitch. It is really nice to see just how the wonderful pieces of shit the Teabag Party is. I truly hate the damn party and hate what it stands for. Hate, Hate, Hate!
I truly wish everybody in the United States of America and the world could see this TV film clip and what a fine party you support so much, I truly wish I was standing behind the poor old man. Eventho I most likely been gang raped by your fornicating club members, I sure wish I could have busted the S.O.B.'s in the mouth.
I sure want to see you defend this horrible display of total cowardliness. And I truly wish that these two fine specimens of the Tea Bag Party get Parkinson disease when they are old and feeble, after they had a run of bad luck. It couldn't happen to two better Teabagger.
What do you have to say in the defense of your Taliban Tea Bag Party.
The Troll, oh I love you too. :rolleyes: :wink:
Quote from: The Troll on March 17, 2010, 02:31:09 PM
...I was an Information Specialist in the U.S. Army...
Oxymoron alert!!
Actually I just googled "Army information specialist" and this is what I got.
http://www.3ad.com/pio/memorabilia/mos.htm
Note this particular line:
Writes news stories, including editorials.So the Troll is LYING when he says he is not a journalist. And as journalist he is subject to the rule of two sources for everything.
It was an enlightening little google journey though. I always thought "military information specialist" was the term the Army used for their propagandists.
Well guess what dude/Troll. If this guy were really in need of health care there are all kinds of programs available to him from private sources because I happen to know someone who is getting help that had no insurance and could no longer work due to finding he had MS about 5 months ago. No, you and others are not paying for his health care it is a private program through the hospital and other charitable organizations that are paying for his medications, therapy, and other needs.
Quote from: The Troll on March 17, 2010, 07:40:58 PM
Henry, have you been watching your Teabagger Party on the TV. You just have to watch what is on TV today. Two of you loving and caring Teabaggers talking to an old man setting on the ground.
The man looked like he was in this late 6o's to 70's sitting on the ground with a sign saying that he had Parkinson disease and needed healthcare. Two of your assholes in their 30's hovering over him, screaming that we over here don't give healthcare and to get up and get a job and pay for it himself. One of the assholes was throwing $5 bills at him, in fact two of them. What a free spending son of a bitch. It is really nice to see just how the wonderful pieces of shit the Teabag Party is. I truly hate the damn party and hate what it stands for. Hate, Hate, Hate!
I truly wish everybody in the United States of America and the world could see this TV film clip and what a fine party you support so much, I truly wish I was standing behind the poor old man. Eventho I most likely been gang raped by your fornicating club members, I sure wish I could have busted the S.O.B.'s in the mouth.
I sure want to see you defend this horrible display of total cowardliness. And I truly wish that these two fine specimens of the Tea Bag Party get Parkinson disease when they are old and feeble, after they had a run of bad luck. It couldn't happen to two better Teabagger.
What do you have to say in the defense of your Taliban Tea Bag Party.
The Troll, oh I love you too. :rolleyes: :wink:
"ME" if you have names of these health organizations, please print them out. We know of a single mother here in town. She has 3 small children and she has cancer and has no insurance, one person offered to help with her insurance premium, but no insurance company will take her.
She said that she had search every charity she could find and can' find anyone to help. They all turned her down, in a kindly way.
She need help really bad. So give me these charities names who will pay for her cancer treatments. I won't tell her that I know of a person who knows where to get help, until I hear from you.
Do it soon. Thanks the Troll.
You might start with the American Cancer Society and take it from there.
Quote from: The Troll on March 17, 2010, 10:43:06 PM
"ME" if you have names of these health organizations, please print them out. We know of a single mother here in town. She has 3 small children and she has cancer and has no insurance, one person offered to help with her insurance premium, but no insurance company will take her.
She said that she had search every charity she could find and can' find anyone to help. They all turned her down, in a kindly way.
She need help really bad. So give me these charities names who will pay for her cancer treatments. I won't tell her that I know of a person who knows where to get help, until I hear from you.
Do it soon. Thanks the Troll.
THE FIRST PLACE SHE TRIED. Do you any connections there, any persons (a real person not a recording) she can call. Give me their name and number and we will call right away. Not next week, I'll call them today. The Troll
No, I don't know anyone there but the hospital or doctor are good places to start. St. John's is the one that helped the friend of mine with MS get help.
I just heard some rather disturbing news. Almost half, 4a6% of the doctors, at a local hospital are planning on getting out of practice if the health care bill passes. It's not rumor a friend of mine works there and the sad part is they, the hospital, have told her and others they won't have a job any longer when they had a meeting to discuss what was going on.
BS! I' not saying that what you said wasn't said by your friend. I'm not even saying that she didn't repeat what she has heard/was told correctly, but what I am saying is that if any of it's true, there's more at play than the HC bill.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=506199 (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=506199)
Here is a source, I have not checked it out, but if you google this, you get several responses....
It isn't just hearsay it's what she was told in a meeting at work. This is not a small hospital either.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 18, 2010, 12:58:02 PM
BS! I' not saying that what you said wasn't said by your friend. I'm not even saying that she didn't repeat what she has heard/was told correctly, but what I am saying is that if any of it's true, there's more at play than the HC bill.
"Me" you haven't helped me or her very much. She has a doctor helping in small things, like painkillers. But as far as getting help with chemo and radiation, no will help unless she puts up cash. So much for charities. I guess we don't need heathcare for the poor and the unlucky people who can't afford insurance.
Just think, if we put a value added tax of foreign imports like the foreign countries put of our goods. Then going after the tax evaders and cheaters and all of us put a few pennies in the kitty. We wouldn't have terrible problem.
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Then she isn't talking to the right people because I have an online friend who has a husband with lung cancer and the Cancer Society helped them with air fare to New York and room accommodations as well as the extensive treatment he is requiring. If not for that they would be losing their home. They also got a handicapped van because she has serious health problems too and is in a wheel chair. They live in Oklahoma and I'm sure the Cancer Society can't be that much different there than it is here.
Quote from: The Troll on March 18, 2010, 01:41:16 PM
"Me" you haven't helped me or her very much. She has a doctor helping in small things, like painkillers. But as far as getting help with chemo and radiation, no will help unless she puts up cash. So much for charities. I guess we don't need heathcare for the poor and the unlucky people who can't afford insurance.
Just think, if we put a value added tax of foreign imports like the foreign countries put of our goods. Then going after the tax evaders and cheaters and all of us put a few pennies in the kitty. We wouldn't have terrible problem.
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Something is foul. How can they possibly know exactly what is going to happen to their hospital based on a bill that hasn't passed? Of course, I assume they may have an ulterior .otive, but I don't imagine hospital management wouldn't stoop to using fear propaganda to coerce the staff into calling their representatives? Nah, that's too far fetched. :rolleyes:
Well, Me that's not what I hear from her. They have told her she has 6months to 1 year to live as thing are going how. Do you know what really bothers the most. Her mother can't take the kids because of her health. She says she cries her eyes out every she thinks about it and that all the time.
Changing hats.
About 46% of the doctors going to quit. I don't think so. Where are they going to make $200,000 to 400,000 and up anywhere else. That like saying, giving those crooked stock brokers a pay cut, there going to quit. Where are they going to go.
The Troll.
I say let them quit for cripes sake! I bet half of them at least still have outstanding student loan balances that would make our mortgages look like chump change. They'll soon become residents of the state if they do such a thing. . .
Which hospital? St Johns? That's bull, because their signs say treatment for all regardless of ability to pay. But we all know that is also a bunch of crap too don't we? Their reputation is similar to that of the local butcher, and in fact many say they are in competition with them. . . :wink:
Community? Again, same bull different hospital. (My SIL works there so . . .)
I have a good friend that is a nurse at Ball State Hospital and she has not said anything about such a thing. . .
Truth be known, the only reason any of them are crying is that they are afraid their gravy train is losing its wheels; since the majority of them live off the inflated rates charged to "cash paying" customers, and overcharging of the insurance companies. Their "golden goose" is going to get clipped and they are afraid the jig is up. The ones not squalling are the only honest health care professionals left in the country. . .
TROLL: What type of cancer does the person in question have? :confused:
I have no clue, unless for some odd reason, this person is lying through her teeth where or what these doctors are planning on doing. Sounds a little strange to me too but that is what she said when we talked to her today.
I also had a poor opinion of St. John's until this past year or so since they've been taken over by St. Vincent's in Indy. They have been wonderful to the friend of ours with the MS.
Well, I don't want to say she's lying...maybe confused ;D
I'm sure Henry's article is accurate in that some Drs are threatening to quit if it's passed. I'm sure the current system is good to some physicians and so they're not motivated to change. But seriously, quit and do what? Retire on the money they've been bilking the ins co.s for? I'd say there are a limited few that can do that.
Don't tell me the jobless are now going to have to compete with "former" doctors for those jobs at Walmart! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 18, 2010, 05:01:19 PM
Don't tell me the jobless are now going to have to compete with "former" doctors for those jobs at Walmart! :rolleyes:
Probably the foreign ones who will go back to their own countries since the playing field will be even if the bill passes.
Quote from: me on March 18, 2010, 05:08:06 PM
Probably the foreign ones who will go back to their own countries since the playing field will be even if the bill passes.
Wait a minute. Was this a supportive comment for healthcare reform coming from you? :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
Do we need to cal an :waaa: :waaa: :waaa: :waaa: :waaa:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 18, 2010, 05:17:35 PM
Wait a minute. Was this a supportive comment for healthcare reform coming from you? :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
Do we need to cal an :waaa: :waaa: :waaa: :waaa: :waaa:
No, I meant even as far as equally low paying for the physician's so you can recall the ambulance.
And who's to say that wasn't staged?
Anymore than your friend crying "the sky is falling"? He's the founder of the Charlottesville, VA chapter of the Coffee Party which has formed because of all of the partisian BS causing nothing to be accomplished. That doesn't make his story true, but I like his intention.
Would it make you feel warmer and fuzzier if it were a teabagger?
No, it doesn't make the story true and if it isn't he's misrepresenting so why would you like his intention. Misrepresentation from one side is just as wrong as it is from the other.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 18, 2010, 07:42:31 PM
Anymore than your friend crying "the sky is falling"? He's the founder of the Charlottesville, VA chapter of the Coffee Party which has formed because of all of the partisian BS causing nothing to be accomplished. That doesn't make his story true, but I like his intention.
Would it make you feel warmer and fuzzier if it were a teabagger?
Quote from: me on March 18, 2010, 07:56:43 PM
No, it doesn't make the story true and if it isn't he's misrepresenting so why would you like his intention. Misrepresentation from one side is just as wrong as it is from the other.
I dont' know if his story is true or false and neither do you. So misrepresentation? That's a stretch, because you can't prove it. Your friend? That can be determined w/a well placed phone call.
I like his intention because his intention is to put people in office who will do something besides bicker while "we the people" suffer. What exactly was your friend's intention? :rolleyes:
QuoteAlan P. Alborn of Manassas, Virginia served in the United States Army for a 22 years, in the Far East, Europe, and the Pentagon specializing in Military Intelligence, Special Operations, Logistics, Operations Research (ORSA), and Systems Engineering. After retiring from the military, he spent 15 years in senior positions with the private sector. Al is an Eagle Scout.
He received a letter of commendation from George W. Bush for his work on implementing Executive Order 13356, "Strengthening the Sharing of Terrorism Information to Protect Americans."
He says the common theme of the teaparty is to discourage conversation. I agree, and I love his dogs. :biggrin:
Ok, I thought about all of this a little more. To me, it seems like the Coffee party has veered from it's original intent to an agenda of smeering the Tea Party. It's more of the same BS that I'm sick of. I'm extremely discouraged by my fellow Americans and becoming disappointed in our government. It's not b/c they're Democrat or Republican, it's b/c they're government and they have a responsibility to us, but yet time is being wasted...or it has been...hopefully the dam will break loose this weekend. :/
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 19, 2010, 08:21:02 AM
Ok, I thought about all of this a little more. To me, it seems like the Coffee party has veered from it's original intent to an agenda of smeering the Tea Party. It's more of the same BS that I'm sick of. I'm extremely discouraged by my fellow Americans and becoming disappointed in our government. It's not b/c they're Democrat or Republican, it's b/c they're government and they have a responsibility to us, but yet time is being wasted...or it has been...hopefully the dam will break loose this weekend. :/
I think one way or the other the dam IS on the verge of breaking loose...and Sunday, "might" be the day it all starts...
To Lolly and ME, Lolly, I had never read what my M.O.S , Information specialist, my god,(small g, just term) it's great. I did one hell of a lot of it, but I really don't recall that I lied or gave any misinformation to our army men, we were educated to tell the truth and keep our warriors informed. You know if George W. would have had some good information specialist, we wouldn't have been in Iraq for the last 7 years. Right.
ME, I don't know where you get your medicalcare information. I think a lot of it is wishing. You have been lucky in your health, or must have had insurance and now you have Medicare and the drug bill to help you. But you and your ilk who, for some really unknown reason are against government heathcare, dream up all of the so called outside Charity medical help. I don't think anything has happened to you personally. But to make you happy, this lady won't be here, by this time next year. She will be dead and she won't been a burden to you hard up taxpayers. God bless you.
Now this is to both of you. You have complain about how I don't know how to run strings, move post around and such stuff. Since I have had a computer for a little over a year, no formal education on one, self taught and I not going to go away. ME with your 21,367+ postings and Lolly with you 806+ postings and my 132+ postings. Do you girls want to tell me where to go (not to hell) but direct me to the place, where I can learn this. I want you to be able to understand me better. Thanks :smile: :yes:
The Troll. :smitten: :smitten:
Quote from: The Troll on March 20, 2010, 10:12:58 AM
... direct me to the place, where I can learn this.
Top of the page, tab labeled "help." Click it. Most of what you need is under "posting basics."