http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/05/12/ent.miss.california.usa/index.html
Ya know, I've wondered over the past few weeks---do you really think the marriage issue is one that she felt so strongly about that she would have become an activist if the events of the pageant hadn't happened? Or do you think the negative press and celebrity has just given her an opportunity?
I think it's given her an opportunity. I also had a look at the site that broke those pictures of her and they were clearly targeting her because of those remarks.
I'm glad she gets to keep the title.
I wonder if Trump let her keep the title because he couldn't figure out how to repo the breast implants he bought for her?
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:rotfl:
Quote from: Bo D on May 12, 2009, 05:41:40 PM
I wonder if Trump let her keep the title because he couldn't figure out how to repo the breast implants he bought for her?
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It's just that he wants to keep an eye on his investment... :yes:
I'm actually surprised because there are other beauty queens who've been desashed for less.I think it's silly anyway. She said, "I'm a model and that's what models do" and she has a point, but aside from that...who really cares? I've always thought that "rule was silly.
Two things -
I feel badly for Miss North Carolina who actually won and the spotlight has never been around her.
I also find it interesting that he could fire Khloe Kardasian on his show for having to appear in court for her DWI charge and made a huge stink about how she was being irresponsible even though she had already served her sentence and was going for something like a probation check in, but he did not call these photos irresponsible. Just a thought.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 12, 2009, 11:04:47 PM
I'm actually surprised because there are other beauty queens who've been desashed for less.I think it's silly anyway. She said, "I'm a model and that's what models do" and she has a point, but aside from that...who really cares? I've always thought that "rule was silly.
I'd "desash" her. :icon_twisted:
:biggrin:
Maybe you could even convince her to tell her story again...about how the question was a test from Satan, but she had God in her head and heart and he helped her stand firm on her response or some such....seriously...she said that in an interview.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 13, 2009, 11:27:30 AM
:biggrin:
Maybe you could even convince her to tell her story again...about how the question was a test from Satan, but she had God in her head and heart and he helped her stand firm on her response or some such....seriously...she said that in an interview.
Hopefully she knows better than to talk with her mouth full. :biggrin:
what has she done that is SO wrong? :confused:
stood up for what she believed that is not a popular stand.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2009, 11:37:28 AM
what has she done that is SO wrong? :confused:
Nothing...yet! :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 13, 2009, 11:27:30 AM
:biggrin:
Maybe you could even convince her to tell her story again...about how the question was a test from Satan, but she had God in her head and heart and he helped her stand firm on her response or some such....seriously...she said that in an interview.
and that makes her unqualified to wear the crown? :confused:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2009, 11:53:24 AM
and that makes her unqualified to wear the crown? :confused:
You understand, of course, how absolutely shallow this whole beauty pagent thing is; don't you?
Quote from: Exterminator on May 13, 2009, 12:07:18 PM
You understand, of course, how absolutely shallow this whole beauty pagent thing is; don't you?
well now, that is not the point here...
Where did I say that Henry? I'm just making fun of her. ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2009, 12:20:24 PM
well now, that is not the point here...
Actually, it's precisely the point.
Quote from: mcgonser on May 13, 2009, 11:39:14 AM
stood up for what she believed that is not a popular stand.
What if she had "believed" that blacks shouldnt be allowed to marry whites? (something that MANY people still believe) I seriously doubt anyone would rush to defend her for standing up for that.
You can play what if?? till the cows come home. Thats not what she said is it?
Quote from: mcgonser on May 13, 2009, 02:02:38 PM
You can play what if?? till the cows come home. Thats not what she said is it?
whats the difference? What makes one "belief" defensible and the other untouchable?
the point is she was ruthlessly attacked for stating her opinion about Gay marriage...which, according Donald Trump, was the exact same view that Obama has....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2009, 02:42:46 PM
the point is she was ruthlessly attacked for stating her opinion about Gay marriage...which, according Donald Trump, was the exact same view that Obama has....
and my point is, are some opinions worthy of "ruthless attack"? (btw, much has been made that her opinion is the same as Obama's, and I have to ask--so what?)
Quote from: Gryphon on May 13, 2009, 02:54:25 PM
and my point is, are some opinions worthy of "ruthless attack"? (btw, much has been made that her opinion is the same as Obama's, and I have to ask--so what?)
the point G, is that Obama said it..........and that is okay.....this Girl said it and she is attacked.....
the bottom line for me is.....THEY asked a question.....SHE answered it, the way MANY Americans would have...and people are screaming how she should be "stripped" of her crown.
other than that, life goes on...it is not the end of the world or anything....just something to tallk about.
I disagree that she should be stripped of her crown for her answer. All in all, I think she has handled herself rather graciously.
But no one has had any thought on either of my questions: do you think, before all of this, that she really cared that strongly? Or has the "ruthless attack" polarized her even more against the idea? And secondly, are all opinions worth respect and to be admired for their honesty?
Quote from: Gryphon on May 13, 2009, 03:01:25 PM
And secondly, are all opinions worth respect and to be admired for their honesty?
No, they aren't. But in this case she is certainly entitled to her opinion.
But let's not forget that this is not the only controversy in this case.
As the posted article says ...
"controversy over seminude photos and charges by state pageant officials that she had abandoned her duties to devote time to opposition to same-sex marriage."
Quote from: Gryphon on May 13, 2009, 03:01:25 PM
I disagree that she should be stripped of her crown for her answer. All in all, I think she has handled herself rather graciously.
But no one has had any thought on either of my questions: do you think, before all of this, that she really cared that strongly? Or has the "ruthless attack" polarized her even more against the idea? And secondly, are all opinions worth respect and to be admired for their honesty?
I'm sure that her being attacked for her statement has only fueled her...she is being cast into the spot light which is something she has been training for..and I'm sure it came from her heart.
I dont think ALL opinions are worth anything to everybody...but maybe everything to some.
I don't think the question should of been asked in the first place.
Quote from: mcgonser on May 13, 2009, 03:14:02 PM
I don't think the question should of been asked in the first place.
Not unless they was prepared to have an honest answer thrown at them....
Quote from: mcgonser on May 13, 2009, 03:14:02 PM
I don't think the question should of been asked in the first place.
Why not? Isn't it customary to ask the "hard" questions of contestants to let them show they are more than just another blond bimbo?
Quote from: Bo D on May 13, 2009, 03:23:23 PM
Why not? Isn't it customary to ask the "hard" questions of contestants to let them show they are more than just another blond bimbo?
her answer showed exactly that, though.
"I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage" Um, no, you can't choose one or the other, which is exactly why the debate is going on.
Quote from: Gryphon on May 13, 2009, 03:47:45 PM
her answer showed exactly that, though. "I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage" Um, no, you can't choose one or the other, which is exactly why the debate is going on.
I think she was inferring we live in a land where it is voted upon and debated.....where 55% believe it is between a man and a woman...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2009, 03:56:38 PM
I think she was inferring we live in a land where it is voted upon and debated.....where 55% believe it is between a man and a woman...
Henry, puh-leeze!
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We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage" You are really reaching if you think she was inferring anything!
But looking at the transcript of her answer solidifies even more what I think--that she didnt really have much of an opinion on it before she got turned into the Anita Bryant of her age:
"I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman." She thought she believed? or she did?
While we are talking about her, I saw a headline a week or so ago claiming that the pageant paid for Miss Prejeans tetherball tittays. Is there any truth in that?? Why on earth would a pageant foot the bill (ie:
encourage) something like that?? :rant: And I wonder what God thinks about breast implants?
Quote from: Gryphon on May 13, 2009, 04:18:22 PMI saw a headline a week or so ago claiming that the pageant paid for Miss Prejeans tetherball tittays. Is there any truth in that?? Why on earth would a pageant foot the bill (ie: encourage) something like that??
Yes, they did. Hence my earlier comment about Trump letting her keep the crown because he can't figure out how to repo them.
"Why on earth would a pageant foot the bill (ie:
encourage) something like that?? "
Dude!!! ... It's Donald Trump!
'nuff said.
;D
he probably buys them in bulk...never know when he'll need a set for whatever wife he has this week.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2009, 02:42:46 PM
the point is she was ruthlessly attacked for stating her opinion about Gay marriage...
I think the point is she was asked a loaded question, by a judge with an obvious agenda, and didn't have the sense to give a non-committal answer. The guy was a judge! He could sink her! (and he did) Are the pageant people still trying to sell these T & A shows as "scholarship programs?" 'Cause that was about the dumbest thing she could have done, if she really wanted to win.
I'm still waiting for one of them to strip during the "talent portion of our competition."
Quote from: LOsborne on May 13, 2009, 07:10:46 PM
I'm still waiting for one of them to strip during the "talent portion of our competition."
Me too! :icon_twisted:
Quote from: LOsborne on May 13, 2009, 07:10:46 PM
I think the point is she was asked a loaded question, by a judge with an obvious agenda, and didn't have the sense to give a non-committal answer. The guy was a judge! He could sink her! (and he did) Are the pageant people still trying to sell these T & A shows as "scholarship programs?" 'Cause that was about the dumbest thing she could have done, if she really wanted to win.
I'm still waiting for one of them to strip during the "talent portion of our competition."
It was with no doubt a loaded question....and I giver props for answering it honestly......
stripping during the talent portion ....... :spooked:...now THAT WILL piss off the judges!!! ;)
Obama and Hillary think the same way about gay marriage. She stood up for what she believes and too few people do that nowadays. Trump is against drunks driving, so he's wrong to kick Kardasian off? I don't think so.
Donald Trump is a publicity whore. Her controversial comment is marketable publicity...drunk driving isn't. He doesn't give a fat rats arse what she believes (or "thinks" she does) he's getting a return on his investment...both on her and his poor choice of buying the pagent.
Quote from: Gardengirl on May 15, 2009, 09:12:38 AM
Obama and Hillary think the same way about gay marriage. She stood up for what she believes and too few people do that nowadays.
as to the first sentence--pray what IS the point??
As to the second...if thats what she believes (or thinks she believes), then by all means she shouldnt marry another woman. I personally would never marry a woman with fake tittays (they feel like rocks...or so Ive heard) but I wouldnt propose that none of them should be married.
Quote from: Gryphon on May 15, 2009, 11:33:05 AM
I personally would never marry a woman with fake tittays (they feel like rocks...or so Ive heard)...
Not necessarily, my friend; you get what you pay for. :yes:
FIRED!
I think it's a crock myself.
Quote from: me on June 11, 2009, 01:56:29 PM
I think it's a crock myself.
Why? If she's not fulfilling her contractual obligations as Trump asserted, then why would they not have grounds for the actions that they took?
Perez Hilton, as a judge, was not suppose to ask a loaded question that proved he was there to promote his own agenda.
Also, judges are suppose to judge them on their ability to convey their answer to the question, not on the opinion rendered.
I believe his votes should have been disqualified when he went public afterwards, trashing Carrie and claiming she lost votes from him because of her answer. He'd also posted on his website that had she won, he'd have gotten on the stage and ripped her crown off. For that, he should have had a protective order issued against him IMO.
More than that, if anyone has bothered to check out his trashy website, you'll see that he routinely trashtalks women in general, with incredibly filthy language. That he was asked to be a judge in the first place reflects very badly on Trump.
It also reflects badly that Trump had a former Playboy Bunny running his pageant, and demanding that the girls abide by certain purity rules to be in the pageant.
None of Carrie's questionable photographs came close to the skin exhibited by the swimsuit competition, and, certainly didn't even begin to come close to Shanna Moakler's spread in Playboy.
There was another girl dethroned earlier who demanded that Carrie lose her crown, too... but the other little girl had been out barhopping and poising for extremely lewd photographs while obviously drunk... so no comparison there either.
My guess is Carrie was probably very happy to be let go, because she'll have better things to accomplish with her life now.
Well said FreeThinker... :yes:
I think it's hysterical that any of you even considers anything about a freakin' beauty pagent seriously.
I sure don't.....if I did, I'd STILL be upset about not winning the Jr. Miss pagaent back in 1979. :wink:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 11, 2009, 02:13:32 PM
I think it's hysterical that any of you even considers anything about a freakin' beauty pagent seriously.
Who says we do? I don't watch them. I think the pageant industry is one of the most hypocritical industries on the planet.
On the one hand, the girls are suppose to be pure and not involved in risque behavior at any time prior to their entering the pageant, and then they have the gay guys working with these girls, and judging them... which is the polar opposite of the Christian values these girls are suppose to represent. Not to mention them being dolled up and pranced around half-naked. So it's twisted to begin with...
Decades ago, at a state pageant, the girls were not even allowed to be around their boyfriends, brothers or fathers... but they could have gay guys helping with their hair and cosmetics. If all things are equal, then why have such hypocritical rules? The pageant chaperones were also escorting these dolled-up girls around to visit with slobbering rich businessmen. It was pukey to watch, as a relative of one of the contestants.
And can anyone take Shanna Moakler seriously about her quitting because of the degradation of the "values" the pageant is suppose to uphold... when a few years ago, she was naked and shining her goodies to the camera?
I speak up about it, because of the aftermath of these pageants. A perfectly lovely young woman has been thoroughly trashed because creepizoid Perez Hilton got his panties twisted. Pageants need to go the way of the dinosaur.
If no one watched, there would be no pageants.
Apparently a large group of "twisted" folk watch the "creepy" shows.
'Course lots watch "professional" wrestling, too.
What does THAT say for the general viewing public of the USA?
Quote from: Freethinker on June 11, 2009, 02:34:31 PM
Who says we do?
Well, you've certainly wasted a lot of effort commenting on this one.
QuoteA perfectly lovely young woman has been thoroughly trashed because creepizoid Perez Hilton got his panties twisted.
For all you know, she's a boozy tramp when she's not in the limelight.
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 11, 2009, 02:38:37 PM
If no one watched, there would be no pageants.
Apparently a large group of "twisted" folk watch the "creepy" shows.
'Course lots watch "professional" wrestling, too.
What does THAT say for the general viewing public of the USA?
That republicans watch a lot of TV? :biggrin:
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 11, 2009, 02:38:37 PM
If no one watched, there would be no pageants.
Apparently a large group of "twisted" folk watch the "creepy" shows.
'Course lots watch "professional" wrestling, too.
What does THAT say for the general viewing public of the USA?
and a bunch watch Oprah too........
QuoteIf no one watched, there would be no pageants.
But that's just it... It's hard for them to find a network that will host the pageants anymore. People aren't watching... until the fur starts flying afterwards. Maybe that's the only way they can get any publicity.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 11, 2009, 02:38:59 PM
Well, you've certainly wasted a lot of effort commenting on this one.
For all you know, she's a boozy tramp when she's not in the limelight.
I, for one, recall many lovely evenings spent with boozy tramps.
Quote from: Freethinker on June 11, 2009, 02:44:22 PM
But that's just it... It's hard for them to find a network that will host the pageants anymore. People aren't watching... until the fur starts flying afterwards. Maybe that's the only way they can get any publicity.
Hey, all they'd have to do is get someone like Kathy Griffin to MC the thing.
There would be enough publicity to keep Trump in hair spray for a couple of years, at least.
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 11, 2009, 02:46:52 PM
I, for one, recall many lovely evenings spent with boozy tramps.
Hell, I'd like her better as a boozy tramp than a shallow bimbo.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 11, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
Hell, I'd like her better as a boozy tramp than a shallow bimbo.
Yep.
I can't stand the false sanctimony.
Should be nippled in the bud.
Kathy Griffin is definitely a hoot. Maybe she could pair up with Chelsea Handler for the Miss Universe pageant. Donald Trump would be shown no mercy. ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 11, 2009, 02:39:52 PM
and a bunch watch Oprah too........
WEll, now I know why I don't watch Oprah or pageants. I couldn't have anyone thinking I was a Republican. Although to have any freaking chance of voting in the primary in Kansas, you better be Republican, cause that is all that will be on the ticket, usually.
Also, whoever, said Trump was a "publicity whore", I support that statement 100%.
Thank you :biggrin:
Maybe he'll use this experience in a creative way like...creating another "reality show". ;D
PLEASE!!! NO MORE REALITY SHOWS!!!! 6 hours a day of local and network news is all the reality I need.