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Miss California Will Keep Her Title

Started by Gryphon, May 12, 2009, 05:05:28 PM

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Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2009, 11:53:24 AM
and that makes her unqualified to wear the crown?  :confused:

You understand, of course, how absolutely shallow this whole beauty pagent thing is; don't you?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on May 13, 2009, 12:07:18 PM
You understand, of course, how absolutely shallow this whole beauty pagent thing is; don't you?

well now, that is not the point here...
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Sandy Eggo

Where did I say that Henry? I'm just making fun of her. ;D
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2009, 12:20:24 PM
well now, that is not the point here...

Actually, it's precisely the point.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Gryphon

Quote from: mcgonser on May 13, 2009, 11:39:14 AM
stood up for what she believed that is not a popular stand.

What if she had "believed" that blacks shouldnt be allowed to marry whites? (something that MANY people still believe) I seriously doubt anyone would rush to defend her for standing up for that.

mcgonser

You can play what if?? till the cows come home. Thats not what she said is it?
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

Gryphon

Quote from: mcgonser on May 13, 2009, 02:02:38 PM
You can play what if?? till the cows come home. Thats not what she said is it?

whats the difference? What makes one "belief" defensible and the other untouchable?

Henry Hawk

the point is she was ruthlessly attacked for stating her opinion about Gay marriage...which, according Donald Trump, was the exact same view that Obama has....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Gryphon

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2009, 02:42:46 PM
the point is she was ruthlessly attacked for stating her opinion about Gay marriage...which, according Donald Trump, was the exact same view that Obama has....

and my point is, are some opinions worthy of "ruthless attack"? (btw, much has been made that her opinion is the same as Obama's, and I have to ask--so what?)

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Gryphon on May 13, 2009, 02:54:25 PM
and my point is, are some opinions worthy of "ruthless attack"? (btw, much has been made that her opinion is the same as Obama's, and I have to ask--so what?)

the point G, is that Obama said it..........and that is okay.....this Girl said it and she is attacked.....

the bottom line for me is.....THEY asked a question.....SHE answered it, the way MANY Americans would have...and people are screaming how she should be "stripped" of her crown.

other than that, life goes on...it is not the end of the world or anything....just something to tallk about.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Gryphon

I disagree that she should be stripped of her crown for her answer. All in all, I think she has handled herself rather graciously.

But no one has had any thought on either of my questions: do you think, before all of this, that she really cared that strongly? Or has the  "ruthless attack" polarized her even more against the idea? And secondly, are all opinions worth respect and to be admired for their honesty?

Bo D

Quote from: Gryphon on May 13, 2009, 03:01:25 PM
And secondly, are all opinions worth respect and to be admired for their honesty?

No, they aren't. But in this case she is certainly entitled to her opinion.

But let's not forget that this is not the only controversy in this case.

As the posted article says ...

"controversy over seminude photos and charges by state pageant officials that she had abandoned her duties to devote time to opposition to same-sex marriage."

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Gryphon on May 13, 2009, 03:01:25 PM
I disagree that she should be stripped of her crown for her answer. All in all, I think she has handled herself rather graciously.

But no one has had any thought on either of my questions: do you think, before all of this, that she really cared that strongly? Or has the  "ruthless attack" polarized her even more against the idea? And secondly, are all opinions worth respect and to be admired for their honesty?

I'm sure that her being attacked for her statement has only fueled her...she is being cast into the spot light which is something she has been training for..and I'm sure it came from her heart. 

I dont think ALL opinions are worth anything to everybody...but maybe everything to some.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

mcgonser

I don't think the question should of been asked in the first place.
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

Henry Hawk

Quote from: mcgonser on May 13, 2009, 03:14:02 PM
I don't think the question should of been asked in the first place.

Not unless they was prepared to have an honest answer thrown at them....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW