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http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090316/pl_usnw/the_american_legion_strongly_opposed_to_president_s_plan_to_charge_wounded_heroes_for_treatment
Your title is not really indicative of what that article says; now is it? So are you illiterate or just a liar?
The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is "deeply disappointed and concerned" after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases.
Why would the American Legion oppose this? It is not as if they are not going to receive coverage.
Quote from: kimmi on March 17, 2009, 09:27:29 AM
The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is "deeply disappointed and concerned" after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases.
Why would the American Legion oppose this? It is not as if they are not going to receive coverage.
They oppose it because Obama's plan is going to effect the veterans....
Because Veteran Affairs was set up to take care of our military veterans. The insurance mafia will find ways to not pay or pay for long on these claims. We have always taken care of our veterans disabilities and wounds. Think HMO when you think about the insurance companies handling these claims. It is a slap in the faces of the military. I do have one question though. If they do this will the President and his staff then get treatment at regular hospitals, under the rules of Insurance companies and not at the military bases??
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 17, 2009, 09:52:27 AM
They oppose it because Obama's plan is going to effect the veterans....
How?
What's interesting to me is how some (Republicans particularly) are all about privatization when it suits them, but against going to the private sector to recuperate funds in this instance. As Kimmi pointed out, and unless I missed something, this won't affect the veterans nor will it affect their coverage.
Quote from: Locutus on March 17, 2009, 10:02:46 AM
How?
What's interesting to me is how some (Republicans particularly) are all about privatization when it suits them, but against going to the private sector to recuperate funds in this instance. As Kimmi pointed out, and unless I missed something, this won't affect the veterans nor will it affect their coverage.
this does AFFECT the private sector.. Obama is trying to require private insurance carriers to
reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs.....so it can pay for his pet projects....this is the ONE thing that our constitution is supposed to do....is provide a Military...and along with that they should be taking care of them....our taxpayers put them in harms way.....by God, those in Washington make sure THEY are covered under the taxpayers dollar... :mad:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 17, 2009, 09:52:27 AM
They oppose it because Obama's plan is going to effect the veterans....
It's 'affect' and since you're not a veteran, it shouldn't be any concern of yours.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 17, 2009, 10:11:15 AM
It's 'affect' and since you're not a veteran, it shouldn't be any concern of yours.
thanks for the grammer lesson... ;)
I may need to work on my grammer, but you need to get a clue....simply because I am not a veteran has nothing to do with my respect for them.....and I have nothing but gratitude to ALL those in the military.....
you are an ass, btw...just in case i have not told you recently... :razz:
* grammar
I'm here to help. :biggrin:
Being a veteran only does not qualify you to have an opinion when the pres is screwing up. I have generations of veterans in my family since the civil war and some that did not come home. If we don't take care of our veterans, what does that say about us? I don't even want to think about it. Whereas the pres has only been in office for a little while I think we should give him room. But, when he is tragically wrong and what he plans affects us all then I think we have a right, no a a responsibility to speak up. JMO
Just as I feel the responsibility to speak up when I think your spelling or grammar are tragically wrong. :biggrin:
Speak away Ex: if it makes you feel important ok. I will just choose to ignore this bad habit of yours myself.
* habit :biggrin:
We have always taken care of our veterans disabilities and wounds.
Really? Because living near several military bases gives me a little more "headline news" in these areas and it seems to me we do a piss poor job of taking care of veterans.
kimmi's right. The VA is notorious for treating veterans poorly.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 17, 2009, 01:08:07 PM
kimmi's right. The VA is notorious for treating veterans poorly.
Not in this part of the country. Don't know about yours.
If they were to be treated by the best we have, there would not be VA hospitals because they would be shipped to the best facilities we have as a country. The only way they can be treated by the doctors in the finest hospitals is by having private insurance take care of them.
What world do you live in??
Can they afford this insurance for this fine and the best treatment.
If they can't afford insurance then who will treat them??
Are the insurance cos going to claim these are prior injuries or illnesses and not pay on them, or just a part of what it costs. Don't think for a minute the ins cos won't waffle on this if they can. They will.
So, what is your part of the country? I've lived on the east and west coast and I interact with veterans frequently. So maybe they should be advised to move to your city if they want help. How do you explain the high number of homeless veterans who are disabled mentally and/or physically and can't work? They all deserve much better treatment.
Quote from: mcgonser on March 17, 2009, 01:18:52 PM
What world do you live in??
Can they afford this insurance for this fine and the best treatment.
If they can't afford insurance then who will treat them??
Are the insurance cos going to claim these are prior injuries or illnesses and not pay on them, or just a part of what it costs. Don't think for a minute the ins cos won't waffle on this if they can. They will.
I don't believe it said anywhere that they would be forced to pay for insurance. I mean the military is a great example of a working welfare system right? They work for the country and get things like health care for free. As long as they are in the military or retired from the military, they don't have to worry about being uninsured.
My beef is the lack of medical care they receive with their military benefits. Wasn't there just a huge investigation into the country's military hospitals in the past year? Why are we not sending these injured men to places like Johns Hopkins, Duke, UCLA? They deserve the best care. If using private insurance will give them this kind of treatment rather than the meat hacking facilities they are used to, then I'm all for it.
and THAT is the kind of treatment we ALL will have IF we let the government health care blossom... ;)
incidently....our VA program sucks!...and THEY deserve the best.....like our congressman seem to be able to provide for themselves.... :rant:
This paragraph makes a valid point against Obama's proposal.
QuoteCommander Rehbein reiterated points made last week in testimony to both House and Senate Veterans' Affairs Committees. It was stated then that The American Legion believes that the reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate that VA treat service-connected injuries and disabilities given that the United States government sends members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. The proposed requirement for these companies to reimburse the VA would not only be unfair, says the Legion, but would have an adverse impact on service-connected disabled veterans and their families. The Legion argues that, depending on the severity of the medical conditions involved, maximum insurance coverage limits could be reached through treatment of the veteran's condition alone. That would leave the rest of the family without health care benefits. The Legion also points out that many health insurance companies require deductibles to be paid before any benefits are covered. Additionally, the Legion is concerned that private insurance premiums would be elevated to cover service-connected disabled veterans and their families, especially if the veterans are self-employed or employed in small businesses unable to negotiate more favorable across-the-board insurance policy pricing. The American Legion also believes that some employers, especially small businesses, would be reluctant to hire veterans with service-connected disabilities due to the negative impact their employment might have on obtaining and financing company health care benefits.
What I would actually rather see, but I know it's not going to happen, is the government pay for care for Veterans in the private sector. I have never really had a very high opinion of Military doctors or hospitals because they have always been the pits but Obama's proposal is not right any way you look at it.
:razz: Or a spreader of fear & falsehoods?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 17, 2009, 09:21:18 AM
Your title is not really indicative of what that article says; now is it? So are you illiterate or just a liar?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 17, 2009, 09:21:18 AM
Your title is not really indicative of what that article says; now is it? So are you illiterate or just a liar?
I'd say you should take it up with Yahoo since that is their title. :razz:
QuoteThe American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes for Treatment
Just heard that President Obama has decided not to have personal health insurance pay for Veterns bills.
That bastard! Now what are you going to bitch about? :rant:
Oh Gardengirl!! We need more crap!
Yep, he did a complete 180 on it thank goodness.
Quote from: mcgonser on March 19, 2009, 08:23:56 AM
Just heard that President Obama has decided not to have personal health insurance pay for Veterns bills.
Quote from: kimmi on March 19, 2009, 08:41:09 AM
That bastard! Now what are you going to bitch about?
LMAO!
Quote from: kimmi on March 19, 2009, 08:41:09 AM
That bastard! Now what are you going to bitch about? :rant:
Oh Gardengirl!! We need more crap!
Kimmi calm down...he really was planning on doing that but backed off yesterday.
Talking about the possibility of doing something and planning on it are not synonymous.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 19, 2009, 10:31:34 AM
Talking about the possibility of doing something and planning on it are not synonymous.
Even coming up with that idea is pretty lame.
Quote from: me on March 19, 2009, 10:41:40 AM
Even coming up with that idea is pretty lame.
No it isn't. Unless one considers the possibilities it leaves the door open for criticism surrounding that failure.
I actually admire the fact that the new POTUS is performing due diligence in considering many options before making a decision on the path moving forward.
As with the stimulus bill, they just assume he thought it up overnight and pushed it through. Most forget that once he was elected he went right to work on it, 60 days or so before he even went onto the payroll!
The problem is that most of his critics are preconditioned by the Chimp method of having a brain fart and running with it before it is given any consideration. So, they create things like this article and end up looking like chicken little!
Quote from: me on March 19, 2009, 10:03:34 AM
Kimmi calm down...he really was planning on doing that but backed off yesterday.
Oh that is right, we will just bitch about him thinking about things now.
Damn it! I bet he wants lunch today and it ain't gonna be McDonalds!! Ass!
He might be working on his list of people he'd like to bitch-slap! Wonder if there are names from BOTH sides of the aisle on it. ;D
I would pay real money to scribe that list for him!!! :biggrin:
So then we just sit back and let him come up with ideas and don't dislike any of them or have an opinion about them, is that what you're saying? Why is everyone so protective of him anyway? Is it possible I wouldn't have liked the idea no matter who came up with it? Wake up and get a grip...all of his ideas are not going to be good ones and this one just happens to be one that wasn't.
I don't want to hear about Bush this and Bush that either I really want to know why everyone thinks this particular man can do no wrong and should not be criticized.
Quote from: kimmi on March 19, 2009, 11:31:44 AM
Oh that is right, we will just bitch about him thinking about things now.
Damn it! I bet he wants lunch today and it ain't gonna be McDonalds!! Ass!
I'm not protecting him. And yes all of his ideas are not going to be good ones, but people that jump all over the "down with Obama!" bandwagon as soon as an idea hits the table is not giving this educated man who is surrounded by educated people a chance to think through ideas.
I guess they could be keeping all of their planning/ idea sessions a secret from the public like 99% of all politicians do. I guess you would be better with that or would he then be an ass for not sharing enough with the average joe?
Quote from: kimmi on March 19, 2009, 12:03:11 PM
I'm not protecting him. And yes all of his ideas are not going to be good ones, but people that jump all over the "down with Obama!" bandwagon as soon as an idea hits the table is not giving this educated man who is surrounded by educated people a chance to think through ideas.
I guess they could be keeping all of their planning/ idea sessions a secret from the public like 99% of all politicians do. I guess you would be better with that or would he then be an ass for not sharing enough with the average joe?
At this point I am more down on Congress than I am Obama but this idea was his so of course it would appear that I am down on him. Congress is not making his job easy by any means, in fact, they are making it more difficult. Congress would like nothing more than to keep things they are putting in those bills they are having him sign secret, even from him.
Quote from: me on March 19, 2009, 11:39:57 AM
So then we just sit back and let him come up with ideas and don't dislike any of them or have an opinion about them, is that what you're saying? Why is everyone so protective of him anyway? Is it possible I wouldn't have liked the idea no matter who came up with it? Wake up and get a grip...all of his ideas are not going to be good ones and this one just happens to be one that wasn't.
I would submit that you are out of your depth second guessing his decisions and that he undoubtedly doesn't give a crap what you think anyway.
Tear the wheels off the "Down With Obama" bandwagon!
Somebody HAS to lead this country out of the morass it's fallen into; the populace has charged Obama with the job. Let's hope he is up to the challenge. Some of his ideas will pan out and some won't. But we can't trust our vaunted legislators to get us out of this mess -- they've proven too many times that they're only interested in their own little agendas. Barack has the reins firmly in hand; it's his chance to be a statesman, not a politician.
Quote from: Ma and Pa on March 19, 2009, 12:19:31 PM
Tear the wheels off the "Down With Obama" bandwagon!
Somebody HAS to lead this country out of the morass it's fallen into; the populace has charged Obama with the job. Let's hope he is up to the challenge. Some of his ideas will pan out and some won't. But we can't trust our vaunted legislators to get us out of this mess -- they've proven too many times that they're only interested in their own little agendas. Barack has the reins firmly in hand; it's his chance to be a statesman, not a politician.
I completely agree.
Quote from: Ma and Pa on March 19, 2009, 12:19:31 PM
Tear the wheels off the "Down With Obama" bandwagon!
Somebody HAS to lead this country out of the morass it's fallen into; the populace has charged Obama with the job. Let's hope he is up to the challenge. Some of his ideas will pan out and some won't. But we can't trust our vaunted legislators to get us out of this mess -- they've proven too many times that they're only interested in their own little agendas. Barack has the reins firmly in hand; it's his chance to be a statesman, not a politician.
In my opinion, he blew his PERFECT opportunity to show his statesmanship, if he would have rejected the porkulus bill........his very own words while campaigning was that he was NOT going to allow bills loaded with pork....and the very first bill he gets is loaded and he RUSHED it through....
had he put the brakes on that bill and told congress to get 'even SOME of the pork out' he would have gotten some respect by millions of Americans...I know I WOULD have greatly admired THAT move....
but he did not..... :no:
You all realize that he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Right?
Had he stopped Porkie 1 and the country/economy collapsed, the same people trashing him now would be trashing him then.
He did the right thing, acted in the best interests of the country in his best judgment, and the critics can go screw the pooch. I am sure he has done what he feels to be truly the right thing to this point.
He knows better than the rest of us that his every action is not just under the short sighted microscopes of the citizens of this country, but the long-sighted microscope of history as well. He is well aware of the real and historic ramifications of his every move and has acknowledged it many times.
I believe it to be a very good thing, because it will help keep him honest and his decisions true to the greater good of the American people and this country; despite the temptation that may come with holding a position of such power and responsibility.
I believe that the things he accomplishes in office will not be recognized by the masses in his day and time; but cherished by the few who are capable of seeing the bigger picture in his time, and by the unblinking and critical eye of history.
I believe he will not betray the oath he took, and awakes each day reminding himself of the importance of remaining true to that oath every second of every day.
I believe all of this until he stops believing it himself. And if he ever does we will all know it.
You can take your exact words and use them for Bush and the war....re-read this with THAT thought....
Quote from: Palehorse on March 19, 2009, 01:03:16 PM
You all realize that he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Right?
Had he stopped Porkie 1 NOT stopped Saddam...and the he used weapons of mass destructin (against anyone), the same people trashing him now would be trashing him then.
He did the right thing, acted in the best interests of the country in his best judgment, and the critics can go screw the pooch. I am sure he has done what he feels to be truly the right thing to this point.
He knows better than the rest of us that his every action is not just under the short sighted microscopes of the citizens of this country, but the long-sighted microscope of history as well. He is well aware of the real and historic ramifications of his every move and has acknowledged it many times.
I believe it to be a very good thing, because it will help keep him honest and his decisions true to the greater good of the American people and this country; despite the temptation that may come with holding a position of such power and responsibility.
I believe that the things he accomplishes in office will not be recognized by the masses in his day and time; but cherished by the few who are capable of seeing the bigger picture in his time, and by the unblinking and critical eye of history.
I believe he will not betray the oath he took, and awakes each day reminding himself of the importance of remaining true to that oath every second of every day.
I believe all of this until he stops believing it himself. And if he ever does we will all know it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 19, 2009, 01:23:17 PM
You can take your exact words and use them for Bush and the war....re-read this with THAT thought....
Bullshit. Everything Bush did was for Bush's ego; he couldn't give a crap less about the country or its people.
Well put Henry!
Ex:" I need to know what your inside source is that you know what Bush is thinking and what his motives are. WOW
Quote from: Exterminator on March 19, 2009, 01:32:42 PM
Bullshit. Everything Bush did was for Bush's ego; he couldn't give a crap less about the country or its people.
and I honestly feel the same way about Obama....i still see a guy, who was a community organizer AND a senator for a 100 plus days...who is gifted at speaking....he got the media behind him...and now he is president....I think he is in over his head, but has WAY too big of an ego to realize it...
THAT is the way I see him....this country is divided...between basicly the way things YOU see them and the way things I see them....to put it in a nutshell.....people HATE Bush....people HATE Obama...
I honestly WANT to be able to like him...(obama)....but I so much disagree with the ideology...IF he is a great leader like many on here claim he is.....then, this country SHOULD get better in the next couple of years....he has all of congress behind him....time will tell us the truth.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 19, 2009, 01:23:17 PM
You can take your exact words and use them for Bush and the war....re-read this with THAT thought....
Plagiarizing and manipulation of another's words to utilize in a fashion that is directly against what the originating poster's position is. . . How low of you!
Never would have thought I'd ever see you stoop to such a low!
Quote from: mcgonser on March 19, 2009, 01:36:05 PM
Ex:" I need to know what your inside source is that you know what Bush is thinking and what his motives are. WOW
It's nowhere near as presumptuous as those of you who seem to think you know what your god is thinking and what his motivations are.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 19, 2009, 01:44:07 PM
Plagiarizing and manipulation of another's words to utilize in a fashion that is directly against what the originating poster's position is. . . How low of you!
Never would have thought I'd ever see you stoop to such a low!
get over yourself...will ya,....that is like the 2nd time you have blasted me....
I used it to prove my point....when I read your statement....I saw where those same words could be applied in another situation..
you know DAMN well my intent.....if you think I am honestly being "low"......because of this.....all I can say is ....get over it... :rolleyes:
I am out!
pla·gia·rize (plā'jə-rīz') Pronunciation Key
v. pla·gia·rized, pla·gia·riz·ing, pla·gia·riz·es
v. tr.
To use and pass off (the ideas or writings of another) as one's own.
To appropriate for use as one's own passages or ideas from (another).
v. intr.
To put forth as original to oneself the ideas or words of another.
pla'gia·riz'er n
I just don't see it PH. Where is your sense of humor. I thought it was good work and funny too.
Small minds are easily amused.
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 19, 2009, 01:43:14 PM
THAT is the way I see him....this country is divided...between basicly the way things YOU see them and the way things I see them....to put it in a nutshell.....people HATE Bush....people HATE Obama...
The difference between the two groups is that those of us who dislike Bush simply wanted a president who we consider our intellectual equal. Those of you who dislike Obama already had one. ;)
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 19, 2009, 01:50:49 PM
get over yourself...will ya,....that is like the 2nd time you have blasted me....
I used it to prove my point....when I read your statement....I saw where those same words could be applied in another situation..
you know DAMN well my intent.....if you think I am honestly being "low"......because of this.....all I can say is ....get over it... :rolleyes:
I am out!
No. . . when have I "blasted you" prior to this?
Moreover, what you did was cheap, low, and lazy. I simply called you on it and now you've got your feathers all ruffled over it. Get over it yourself.
Quote from: mcgonser on March 19, 2009, 01:54:09 PM
I just don't see it PH. Where is your sense of humor. I thought it was good work and funny too.
I don't expect that you would. Next?
What's the point of the empty posts?
Quote from: Palehorse on March 19, 2009, 02:18:40 PM
No. . . when have I "blasted you" prior to this?
Moreover, what you did was cheap, low, and lazy. I simply called you on it and now you've got your feathers all ruffled over it. Get over it yourself.
I don't expect that you would. Next?
YOU DID NOT CALL ME OUT ON NOTHING PH...YOU MADE A POST EXPLAINING YOUR PRAISES FOR OBAMA....I SAW THOSE EXACT WORDS BEING USED TO EXPLAIN BUSH IN A SIMILAR SITUATION.......
IF ANYTHING I'M CALLING YOU OUT.....HAD I USED THE FIFY METHOD AND PUT A SMILEY FACE ON....THAT WOULD BE OKAY I GUESS, THAT IS A TACTIC USED BY EXTERMINATOR OFTEN....IS THAT JUST BEING LAZY! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 19, 2009, 02:36:22 PM
YOU DID NOT CALL ME OUT ON NOTHING PH...YOU MADE A POST EXPLAINING YOUR PRAISES FOR OBAMA....I SAW THOSE EXACT WORDS BEING USED TO EXPLAIN BUSH IN A SIMILAR SITUATION.......
IF ANYTHING I'M CALLING YOU OUT.....HAD I USED THE FIFY METHOD AND PUT A SMILEY FACE ON....THAT WOULD BE OKAY I GUESS, THAT IS A TACTIC USED BY EXTERMINATOR OFTEN....IS THAT JUST BEING LAZY! :rolleyes:
Whatever dude. . .
Quote from: Exterminator on March 19, 2009, 02:06:58 PM
The difference between the two groups is that those of us who dislike Bush simply wanted a president who we consider our intellectual equal. Those of you who dislike Obama already had one. ;)
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 19, 2009, 02:42:44 PM
back at ya DUDE!..
Stop yelling. I am not blind! :razz:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 19, 2009, 02:50:54 PM
Stop yelling. I am not blind! :razz:
my fingers are getting horse.........(no pun intended.. :razz: )
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 19, 2009, 02:57:10 PM
my fingers are getting horse.........(no pun intended.. :razz: )
:drummer:
Dang....and I thought women were the only ones who had PMS days..... :eek:
Quote from: me on March 19, 2009, 04:05:36 PM
Dang....and I thought women were the only ones who had PMS days..... :eek:
:rolleyes:
:finger01: :kissit:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 19, 2009, 04:19:02 PM
:rolleyes:
:finger01: :kissit:
Yer so cute when yer mad :grin2:
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YOUR HERO IS DONE!
Quote from: Palehorse on March 19, 2009, 05:51:31 PM
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YOUR HERO IS DONE!
Tell me you don't mean Willie...Nelson that is.... :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 19, 2009, 05:51:31 PM
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YOUR HERO IS DONE!
:confused: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 19, 2009, 01:44:07 PM
Plagiarizing and manipulation of another's words to utilize in a fashion that is directly against what the originating poster's position is. . . How low of you!
Never would have thought I'd ever see you stoop to such a low!
In brief discussion with Henry, and internal review, of my posting above I have reached a decision point.
My response to Henry was an over reaction driven by various factors, the least of which involved Henry's response to the original posting.
I publicly apologise to Henry for this!
He still loves ya.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 20, 2009, 11:45:51 AM
In brief discussion with Henry, and internal review, of my posting above I have reached a decision point.
My response to Henry was an over reaction driven by various factors, the least of which involved Henry's response to the original posting.
I publicly apologise to Henry for this!
Yeah, Pa...I do!!
PH is one of THE classiest person that I have ever had the priviledge to have met, let alone correspond with.
I myself, overacted to his posts, and I do appreciate PH's generous apology.
Thanks PH! :yes:
:kissit:
:kickcan:
Great.........
One post ---- kicking a can
The other post ---- kissing a can :eek:
:biggrin:
:kickcan:
Are we biding our time PH? :juggle2: