Poll: Positive Feelings For Michelle Obama
A new CBS News/New York Times poll out Sunday finds that Americans feel largely positive towards incoming first lady Michelle Obama - more positive, in fact, than they have about past incoming first ladies.
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CBSNewsMain/~3/516075318/main4733271.shtml
Checked
Yuck!!!
Care to elaborate Anne?
I like Michelle Obama. She is highly intelligent. She appears to be a good mom. She also has great fashion sense!
You are right Kimmi, she is by all accounts intelligent (I still don't understand how she justifies Rev. Wright with her intelligence though), appears to be a good mom, IMO she has about as much fashion sense as Mrs. Kruchev had (which is really immaterial except for the impression she makes for our country). My problem is that to me she comes off as snooty, condescending, and as having little love of this country.
Interesting. I don't get that impression at all. I guess we chalk it up to perspective! :biggrin:
Guess so. I liked both Mrs Laura Bush and Mrs. Barbara Bush, (Barbara the best). Didn't care a lot for Mrs. Regan or Mrs. Carter. Won't even talk about Mrs. Clinton.
Quote from: kimmi on January 20, 2009, 09:15:44 AM
Interesting. I don't get that impression at all. I guess we chalk it up to perspective! :biggrin:
Actually, to me she comes across as very down to earth and approachable and so did Barbara and Laura Bush. Barbara didn't know how to dress, but I liked her because of it. As for Laura, she's seems intelligent also, but given that, I can't explain her choice of husband. She really married beneath her. :biggrin:
Oh so true! ;D
Seems to be a pretty common occurrance. Lucky for us men! ;D Pa
Quote from: Ma and Pa on January 20, 2009, 11:04:53 AM
Seems to be a pretty common occurrance. Lucky for us men! ;D Pa
i'll second that! ;D
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on January 20, 2009, 09:52:13 AM
Barbara didn't know how to dress, but I liked her because of it.
\
She does have that in common with Mrs. Barbara Bush. At least Mrs. Bush had the good sense to listen to someone when it came to clothes she wore to public appearances. Too bad Mrs. Obama didn't do the same on Tuesday. The yellow/green thing, imo, was a terrible color choice and the coat looked like it didn't fit her at all. The gown was a poor choice for dancing, she was messing with the skirt all the time and all the little flowers made it look like a prom dress for an 18 year old, which she definitely is not. President and Mrs. Obama did look like a devoted couple during all the festivities though and other than her clothes I thought the day went well and gave a good impression.
Personally, I wish we'd have a first lady who would tell all of the fashion police to go jump in the lake. Who really cares what she wears and where she buys it from? I think she'd present a better image if she were more like most American women who dress, be it casual or for business, in a manner which she's comfortable with, rather than being concerned w/a specific designer or latest style.
Besides, clothes do not make the man or the woman.
It doesn't make the person, but it certainly sends a message to other countries. Can you imagine meeting a head of state at an official event in your workout clothes? May be a bad example, but you get my drift.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking personal dresser/designer versus wearing the appropriate clothing for the occasion based on personal preference.
At any rate, I meant to mention this last night -
How sweet was it that little Sasha gave her dad a thumbs up? They honestly seem like the happiest family. :yes:
It was cute. I thought the older one (is that right) was so typical taking pictures. Reminded me of my grandkids.
Yep, the oldest is the shutterbug :yes:
Quote from: Anne on January 22, 2009, 03:42:24 PM
\
She does have that in common with Mrs. Barbara Bush. At least Mrs. Bush had the good sense to listen to someone when it came to clothes she wore to public appearances. Too bad Mrs. Obama didn't do the same on Tuesday. The yellow/green thing, imo, was a terrible color choice and the coat looked like it didn't fit her at all. The gown was a poor choice for dancing, she was messing with the skirt all the time and all the little flowers made it look like a prom dress for an 18 year old, which she definitely is not. President and Mrs. Obama did look like a devoted couple during all the festivities though and other than her clothes I thought the day went well and gave a good impression.
Sadly Anne you must not be keeping up with your fashion then. Lemongrass is a very stylish color this season. The gown's neckline is also very much in fashion. The A-line skirt - also very much in fashion.
I loved her green Jimmy Choo's!!
I loved her green outfit......thought she looked very stylish. But then again...I liked her white gown too.
Quote from: kimmi on January 22, 2009, 08:14:06 PM
Sadly Anne you must not be keeping up with your fashion then. Lemongrass is a very stylish color this season. The gown's neckline is also very much in fashion. The A-line skirt - also very much in fashion.
I loved her green Jimmy Choo's!!
I know lemongrass is in fashion now, I just think it is a terrible color for her. Gives her a jaundiced tone, or maybe that is her normal color. I think she would have looked better in a clearer color. Just because a color is stylish does not mean everyone looks good in it. The coat wrinkled across her back like it was too tight. The white gown was lovely, for an 18 year old. She is too old to wear little white flowers strewn across a white gown and if she wants to wear a train then she needs to learn how to walk and dance in one.
I would have been more comfortable if she had been wearing blue jeans and a t shirt. ;D
Somehow I can't imagine her in jeans and a t shirt. Whatever she wore would have been heralded as a wonderful choice, the media is so in love with her. I did she her in a very nice outfit by the same designer as the "lemongrass" dress in an older newsclip though. Very classy.
She wears a lot of J. Crew.
I think see lacks class. She played the race card early: "I've never really been proud of my country.............." Not classy. Give her a chance though.
Quote from: Monroe on January 25, 2009, 04:47:57 PM
I think see lacks class. She played the race card early: "I've never really been proud of my country.............." Not classy. Give her a chance though.
Another bonehead, misinterpretation brought to you by Fox Noise. Are you a person of color? Just curious.
I haven't been proud of this country over the past 8 years, with bush as our rep in the world, the torture of prisoners, and the complete disdain for the Constitution shown by bushco, and I didn't even have to endure the decades of racist oppression the Obamas have. So, when white-bread America gasps at the audacity of a "negro" to claim some disappointment with this country only proves her point, and Monroe appears to be their spokesperson.
If you were happy with the state of this nation over the last 8 years, then you are a traitor to its ideals.
Quote from: dan foster on January 25, 2009, 05:22:18 PM
Another bonehead, misinterpretation brought to you by Fox Noise. Are you a person of color? Just curious.
I haven't been proud of this country over the past 8 years, with bush as our rep in the world, the torture of prisoners, and the complete disdain for the Constitution shown by bushco, and I didn't even have to endure the decades of racist oppression the Obamas have. So, when white-bread America gasps at the audacity of a "negro" to claim some disappointment with this country only proves her point, and Monroe appears to be their spokesperson.
If you were happy with the state of this nation over the last 8 years, then you are a traitor to its ideals.
:rolleyes: If you're not proud of America get out!!! You're really on a race roll aren't you. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on January 25, 2009, 09:12:29 PM
:rolleyes: If you're not proud of America get out!!! You're really on a race roll aren't you. :rolleyes:
I think I will stick around. The obamas did.
Quote from: Monroe on January 25, 2009, 04:47:57 PM
I think see lacks class. She played the race card early: "I've never really been proud of my country.............." Not classy. Give her a chance though.
Dan isn't either... should we give him a chance. :biggrin:
To suppose that everyone should be 100% proud of America at all times is ridiculous. If anyone claims that they are, then they aren't paying attention and/or are not being honest. Someone who is honest has more class than all of the pretenders put together.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on January 25, 2009, 10:21:19 PM
To suppose that everyone should be 100% proud of America at all times is ridiculous. If anyone claims that they are, then they aren't paying attention and/or are not being honest. Someone who is honest has more class than all of the pretenders put together.
I absolutely agree. That is the beauty of this country. We all should be able to question the decisions of the government. Obviously we are all on a spectrum of beliefs so I'm sure there are lots of things in the past or present that each of us has questioned. I don't think anyone should be told to leave the country. People who say that don't clearly know how and why this country was created.
Her statement, "I have never proud of my country until now" was a stupid mistake on her part. It wasn't what she meant, but she said it and now she has to live with it. It seems to me that she should really be proud of her country when she and her husband received a first rate education because of this country, lived in a million dollar house, and made an extremely good living, because of living in this country. She needs to think before she speaks.
I've always been proud of my country. I find no shame whatsoever with America. America has done nothing worse than any other country in the world. :flag: :usmad:
Quote from: Anne on January 26, 2009, 02:22:05 PM
Her statement, "I have never proud of my country until now" was a stupid mistake on her part. It wasn't what she meant, but she said it and now she has to live with it. It seems to me that she should really be proud of her country when she and her husband received a first rate education because of this country, lived in a million dollar house, and made an extremely good living, because of living in this country. She needs to think before she speaks.
Tiger Woods should be very proud, as well; millions of dollars in earnings. Problem is, there are country clubs on the tour list that only recently would have allowed him to play, as a black man. So, maybe he too is only recently proud. The obamas could still be jacked up just about anywhere in the US because they are black, if they weren't now President and First Lady. We've come a long way, but that doesn't erase the very, very recent past.
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on January 26, 2009, 09:34:57 PM
I've always been proud of my country. I find no shame whatsoever with America. America has done nothing worse than any other country in the world. :flag: :usmad:
That's because we let you play, but we know not with a full deck. When you can look up Stage 6 of Kohlberg's Levels of Moral Development, and understand it, you might just get a glimpse the hollowness of your proclamation. It isn't that "America has done nothing worse than any other country in the world". Try telling that to the folks that are alive today that still have the scars of canine teeth and baton marks just so they could be treated with dignity and not told they couldn't drink from same fountain, eat at the same counter or use the same public facilities as whites. Try selling the "nothing worse" claim to the parents of children killed by a bomb, just because they were black.
So, I am not one of them, but I would sure like to hear your argument.
Quote from: dan foster on January 26, 2009, 10:53:21 PM
Tiger Woods should be very proud, as well; millions of dollars in earnings. Problem is, there are country clubs on the tour list that only recently would have allowed him to play, as a black man. So, maybe he too is only recently proud. The obamas could still be jacked up just about anywhere in the US because they are black, if they weren't now President and First Lady. We've come a long way, but that doesn't erase the very, very recent past.
I don't know about golf courses, but the Obamas are the age of my children and they grew up with many black children and none of them were kept from doing anything they wanted. At some point in time the past has to be the past. We have to move on. I doubt Mrs. Obama was ever kept out of a movie theatre or restaurant or swimming pool because of her color. If that is what is bothering her she needs to rethink her situation.
I like her..she is intelligent..dresses nicely...well spoken...she is a devoted wife and Mother..and she speaks her mind...
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on January 26, 2009, 09:34:57 PM
I've always been proud of my country. I find no shame whatsoever with America. America has done nothing worse than any other country in the world. :flag: :usmad:
That is very easy to say when you are a white person. Sorry my Grandmother was a few years away from interment camps
here in American because of her Japanese heritage. That does not make me completely proud of this country.
Quote from: Anne on January 27, 2009, 02:17:22 AM
I don't know about golf courses, but the Obamas are the age of my children and they grew up with many black children and none of them were kept from doing anything they wanted. At some point in time the past has to be the past. We have to move on. I doubt Mrs. Obama was ever kept out of a movie theatre or restaurant or swimming pool because of her color. If that is what is bothering her she needs to rethink her situation.
Clearly it is very difficult to understand the continued feelings of fear and lack of trust the black community has with authority, especially white authority. I dated a black man for 3 years and I got a glimpse of what it is like. When we traveled, he brought several forms of ID, his driving record, and any other potentially effective forms of information that would keep him out of trouble. When I travel I have my license. That's it. I don't think anything of it, because I don't have to. He had been drug down "to the station" on two occasions because someone with the same name had a warrant - different middle name, but he was black so they took him down anyway. You probably wouldn't have to worry about that. You'd get an "I'm sorry for the inconvenience ma'am." Don't think for a second that it is not still happening, because it is. Just because in your neighborhood you don't blatantly see it, doesn't mean it is not there.
Quote from: dan foster on January 26, 2009, 11:01:47 PM
That's because we let you play, but we know not with a full deck. When you can look up Stage 6 of Kohlberg's Levels of Moral Development, and understand it, you might just get a glimpse the hollowness of your proclamation. It isn't that "America has done nothing worse than any other country in the world". Try telling that to the folks that are alive today that still have the scars of canine teeth and baton marks just so they could be treated with dignity and not told they couldn't drink from same fountain, eat at the same counter or use the same public facilities as whites. Try selling the "nothing worse" claim to the parents of children killed by a bomb, just because they were black.
So, I am not one of them, but I would sure like to hear your argument.
Dan, you're playing the race card pretty hard. I'm proud to be an American that will never change. I do understand what people of color have went through. You know what.... I think you just want a pissing match here. :rolleyes: You really want very badly for me to be a racist for some reason? Because I don't agree with you... I'm a racist, right wing, religious freak in your opinion. Shout it out all you want Dan.... I never was... nor will I ever be ...any of those labels you're trying to put on me. Obviously.... by the way you keep attacking me all over the forum ,I've really pissed in your Cheerios, and gotten your panties in a bunch. I hope you haven't popped a vein over any of this. :icon_twisted: hmmmm... :think:
Quote from: kimmi on January 27, 2009, 07:19:39 AM
That is very easy to say when you are a white person. Sorry my Grandmother was a few years away from interment camps here in American because of her Japanese heritage. That does not make me completely proud of this country.
I said this to Dan somewhere.... how do you know I'm not black? I have extreme sympathy for what has gone on over the years to everyone involved. :yes:
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on January 27, 2009, 04:20:54 PM
I said this to Dan somewhere.... how do you know I'm not black? I have extreme sympathy for what has gone on over the years to everyone involved. :yes:
Seems you have changed your tune. Feeling a bit guilty?
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on January 27, 2009, 04:20:54 PM
I said this to Dan somewhere.... how do you know I'm not black? I have extreme sympathy for what has gone on over the years to everyone involved. :yes:
Well let's just go with the theory that you are black Dexter. Are you not ashamed of the way your grandparents were treated in not such a distant past? How about the way your parents were treated? Have you had an issue getting a job? Do people follow you around the store because you just might try and steal something? Do people assume that you are going to tell them your name is something with 5 syllables and a bunch of punctuation, but raise their eyebrows when you tell them your name is Mike, Phyllis, or Gail?
You aren't ashamed of that happening to your imaginary black relatives? :rolleyes:
Quote from: dan foster on January 27, 2009, 06:19:25 PM
Seems you have changed your tune. Feeling a bit guilty?
Guilty for what? I've done nothing wrong Dan... why do you twist things? I have sympathy for a lot of people. I even have sympathy for you Dan even though you bash me. I've done nothing to you Dan, and yet you attack me. :no:
Quote from: kimmi on January 27, 2009, 07:42:56 PM
Well let's just go with the theory that you are black Dexter. Are you not ashamed of the way your grandparents were treated in not such a distant past? How about the way your parents were treated? Have you had an issue getting a job? Do people follow you around the store because you just might try and steal something? Do people assume that you are going to tell them your name is something with 5 syllables and a bunch of punctuation, but raise their eyebrows when you tell them your name is Mike, Phyllis, or Gail?
You aren't ashamed of that happening to your imaginary black relatives? :rolleyes:
I'm ashamed that things like that happened and still do. You guys act like I'm in the KKK or something. Maybe, you could explain why you feel like that. I got on this thread and got ambushed. Just because I didn't vote for Obama doesn't mean I'm a racist. I don't agree so I get attacked. I haven't been nasty or insulting to anybody here unless they attack me, which recently has been constantly. I can have an opinion, and I WILL state it. If people can't handle it too bad... sooo sad. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on January 27, 2009, 09:17:16 PM
I'm ashamed that things like that happened and still do. You guys act like I'm in the KKK or something. Maybe, you could explain why you feel like that. I got on this thread and got ambushed. Just because I didn't vote for Obama doesn't mean I'm a racist. I don't agree so I get attacked. I haven't been nasty or insulting to anybody here unless they attack me, which recently has been constantly. I can have an opinion, and I WILL state it. If people can't handle it too bad... sooo sad. :rolleyes:
So you can have an opinion, but Michelle Obama cannot. Is that what I'm getting?
Yes she can!!!! :thumbsup: She's in a position that she has to be careful with what she says. It's all about political correctness. Her comment didn't sit well with a lot of people. It doesn't matter if it was her or Laura Bush, it wasn't the right thing to say. People tend to hang on every word that is said by politicians. It seems unpatriotic to say that IMO.
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on January 27, 2009, 10:22:03 PM
Her comment didn't sit well with a lot of people.
Yes, a lot of white people.
I can think of quite a few times I haven't been proud of my country for what it has done.
Quote from: dan foster on January 28, 2009, 10:42:07 PM
Yes, a lot of white people.
:rolleyes:
you continue to amaze me...........who was it that referred you to the liberal Archie Bunker?.........that is a dead on description... ;D
Quote from: dan foster on January 28, 2009, 10:42:07 PM
Yes, a lot of white people.
No, people who thought it was a tacky or stupid thing to say for a person whose husband was running for the highest office in our country.
Quote from: Anne on January 29, 2009, 10:19:19 AM
No, people who thought it was a tacky or stupid thing to say for a person whose husband was running for the highest office in our country.
He/she should have said 'a lot of bigoted white people'. I understood her sentiment perfectly and found it neither tacky nor stupid. Oh, and her husband won anyway.
Maybe she should take some classes in public speaking and tact to avoid those embarrassing situations?
LMFAO! Look everyone...someone from Andertucky thinks she could give the First Lady lessons in tact!
Quote from: Exterminator on January 29, 2009, 10:28:17 AM
He/she should have said 'a lot of bigoted white people'. I understood her sentiment perfectly and found it neither tacky nor stupid. Oh, and her husband won anyway.
I'm not a bigoted white person.....I think she said something STUPID...she screwed up.....I understand what she was TRYING to say...but picked the wrong words and the wrong time to say what she did....I don't dislike her.....I have NO problem what-so-ever with her.....she has a lot to learn at being in the spot light...and I think, she will probably make a very good first lady.
And yet another...I love it!
Quote from: Exterminator on January 29, 2009, 11:06:37 AM
And yet another...I love it!
i hate to bust your bubble.........but I don't live in Andertucky....
All of Madison County is Andertucky. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 29, 2009, 11:30:32 AM
All of Madison County is Andertucky. :rolleyes:
your a quack!...........but, ya know brother....I love you too!!!..despite your inability to see the ways of conservatism... ;) ;D
So, it's "stupid" to tell the truth? Perhaps that's what's wrong with our country.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on January 29, 2009, 11:59:28 AM
So, it's "stupid" to tell the truth? Perhaps that's what's wrong with our country.
she said it was the first time she has been proud of American in her adult life....that has been for 25-years now.........if it takes her husband to run for president to make her PROUD of her country........then, YEAH, I think that is a foolish thing to say.......or she really is stupid..........i prefer to think she made a foolish comment rather than a literal one..
You didn't my question. She was honest about how she felt, just because you (and others) disagree, doesn't make her stupid.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on January 29, 2009, 12:14:45 PM
You didn't my question. She was honest about how she felt, just because you (and others) disagree, doesn't make her stupid.
we are entitled to display how we feel, by being honest...........and if some believes she has had nothing to be proud of in the last 25-years...they may honestly "feel" she may be "stupid".......so you are saying that people cannot disagree with her statements?...it kind of works both ways....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 29, 2009, 11:57:59 AM
your a quack!...........but, ya know brother....I love you too!!!..despite your inability to see the ways of conservatism... ;) ;D
* you're :razz:
I'm here to help.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 29, 2009, 02:18:28 PM
I'm here to help.
if only i could believe you... :no: :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 29, 2009, 01:11:39 PM
we are entitled to display how we feel, by being honest...........and if some believes she has had nothing to be proud of in the last 25-years...they may honestly "feel" she may be "stupid".......so you are saying that people cannot disagree with her statements?...it kind of works both ways....
No, you can disagree. I just didn't see how you can make a leap from thinking that someone is wrong and theying they're stupid because you disagree.
So, you feel she's stupid - I get it. I feel that the people who are making a big deal out of her honesty are stupid.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on January 29, 2009, 02:49:16 PM
No, you can disagree. I just didn't see how you can make a leap from thinking that someone is wrong and theying they're stupid because you disagree.
So, you feel she's stupid - I get it. I feel that the people who are making a big deal out of her honesty are stupid.
I NEVER said she was stupid.........I said I think she said something stupid...........big difference.............I say stupid stuff, way too often...heck most of the people on here say some pretty stupid stuff sometimes........but they are not stupid.....
and as far as people making a big deal out things.........THAT comes with the job...........Bush could not do ANYTHING without someone saying it was stupid.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 29, 2009, 02:54:58 PM
I say stupid stuff, way too often...
Noooooo; you?
QuoteBush could not do ANYTHING without someone saying it was stupid.
Big difference, everything Bush did
was stupid.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 29, 2009, 03:11:34 PM
Noooooo; you?
Big difference, everything Bush did was stupid.
I would have bet the entire farm..........that THOSE exact wrods would be your response....to BOTH replies... ;D
I could have written it myself.... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 29, 2009, 02:54:58 PM
I NEVER said she was stupid.........
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 29, 2009, 12:04:34 PM
she said it was the first time she has been proud of American in her adult life....that has been for 25-years now.........if it takes her husband to run for president to make her PROUD of her country........then, YEAH, I think that is a foolish thing to say.......or she really is stupid..........i prefer to think she made a foolish comment rather than a literal one..
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 29, 2009, 01:11:39 PM
we are entitled to display how we feel, by being honest...........and if some believes she has had nothing to be proud of in the last 25-years...they may honestly "feel" she may be "stupid".......so you are saying that people cannot disagree with her statements?...it kind of works both ways....
O'rly? :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 29, 2009, 02:54:58 PM
Bush could not do ANYTHING without someone saying it was stupid.
In his case it was true and he didn't even have honesty to fall back on.
(now who's bringing Bush into the conversation) :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 29, 2009, 03:16:39 PM
I could have written it myself.... :yes:
Not without spelling errors. :razz:
Quote from: dan foster on January 28, 2009, 10:42:07 PM
Yes, a lot of white people.
Race card Dan.... :no: Since you called me No Sex Dex.... I think I'll call you Race Card Dan..... you like? :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 29, 2009, 09:51:54 AM
:rolleyes:
you continue to amaze me...........who was it that referred you to the liberal Archie Bunker?.........that is a dead on description... ;D
It was GOJ and it fits Dan perfectly. :yes:
Quote from: Anne on January 29, 2009, 10:19:19 AM
No, people who thought it was a tacky or stupid thing to say for a person whose husband was running for the highest office in our country.
Bingo!!!! We have a winner!!! :thumbsup: Race Card Dan tries to turn everything into a racist, or religious discussion. Not sure why though.... :think: :no:
Quote from: Anne on January 29, 2009, 10:29:55 AM
Maybe she should take some classes in public speaking and tact to avoid those embarrassing situations?
Good one Anne!!! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 29, 2009, 10:32:06 AM
LMFAO! Look everyone...someone from Andertucky thinks she could give the First Lady lessons in tact!
I'm not sure what your problem is with everybody Ex. You never use to be this way. I always enjoyed reading your posts. WTH.... happened to you. :'(
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 29, 2009, 10:43:41 AM
I'm not a bigoted white person.....I think she said something STUPID...she screwed up.....I understand what she was TRYING to say...but picked the wrong words and the wrong time to say what she did....I don't dislike her.....I have NO problem what-so-ever with her.....she has a lot to learn at being in the spot light...and I think, she will probably make a very good first lady.
Now come on HH.... all of us Republicans are religious fanatics, racist, facshists, idealist, right wing nuts... ya know. :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 29, 2009, 12:04:34 PM
she said it was the first time she has been proud of American in her adult life....that has been for 25-years now.........if it takes her husband to run for president to make her PROUD of her country........then, YEAH, I think that is a foolish thing to say.......or she really is stupid..........i prefer to think she made a foolish comment rather than a literal one..
God I hope so!!! :rolleyes:
Yee-haw!
:biggrin:
Quote from: Anne on January 29, 2009, 10:19:19 AM
No, people who thought it was a tacky or stupid thing to say for a person whose husband was running for the highest office in our country.
Only the uninformed, then, which would also default to mostly whites.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 29, 2009, 12:04:34 PM
she said it was the first time she has been proud of American in her adult life....that has been for 25-years now.........if it takes her husband to run for president to make her PROUD of her country........then, YEAH, I think that is a foolish thing to say.......or she really is stupid..........i prefer to think she made a foolish comment rather than a literal one..
Not if she is black, moron.
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on January 29, 2009, 03:33:56 PM
Bingo!!!! We have a winner!!! :thumbsup: Race Card Dan tries to turn everything into a racist, or religious discussion. Not sure why though.... :think: :no:
Because you are a religious racist.
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on January 29, 2009, 03:34:54 PM
Good one Anne!!! :thumbsup:
She is far more articulate (and probably more successful as a lawyer) than both of you, combined.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 29, 2009, 10:32:06 AM
LMFAO! Look everyone...someone from Andertucky thinks she could give the First Lady lessons in tact!
Hey, not me, but I bet I know a few people who could give her some lessons. I hate public speaking.
Quote from: dan foster on January 29, 2009, 06:40:42 PM
She is far more articulate (and probably more successful as a lawyer) than both of you, combined.
Evidently not since she said later that she really didn't mean what she said, that it was misunderstood. Where did you get the idea I was a lawyer?
Quote from: dan foster on January 29, 2009, 06:36:47 PM
Not if she is black, moron.
Now Race Card Dan.... it isn't nice to call people morons. :no:
Quote from: dan foster on January 29, 2009, 06:39:41 PM
Because you are a religious racist.
Now Race Card Dan... where's your proof? Surely you can back this up with some sort of proof? OK... now... try to whip your way out of that wet paper bag. GOOD LUCK!!! :thumbsup:
Quote from: dan foster on January 29, 2009, 06:40:42 PM
She is far more articulate (and probably more successful as a lawyer) than both of you, combined.
Who said she wasn't Race Card Dan? hummmm..... I don't recall anybody even sayin' she was stupid. Why must you twist things Race Card Dan? :no:
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on January 29, 2009, 09:58:21 PM
Who said she wasn't Race Card Dan? hummmm..... I don't recall anybody even sayin' she was stupid. Why must you twist things Race Card Dan? :no:
I'll say she's stupid. She's a promenant woman in the world-wide public eye. What message did that sent to our enemies?
Our entire country sends vibes to the world that we don't like each other or get along. All they have to do is stumble across a forum and they can read that. It is no secret that this is a country full of people who can't get along!
Quote from: Doc on January 29, 2009, 10:52:25 PM
I'll say she's stupid. She's a promenant woman in the world-wide public eye. What message did that sent to our enemies?
Today's ironic musing.
Quote from: Doc on January 29, 2009, 10:52:25 PM
I'll say she's stupid. She's a promenant woman in the world-wide public eye. What message did that sent to our enemies?
Again, I think the other folks don't get your satirical wit. But to answer your question on a serious note, I would guess that other prominent (sic) women from our past sent quite a message to our enemies: harriet tubman, rosa parks, the 4 little girls killed in a B'ham church bombing, etc, etc. I can't even imagine what message Lynndie England sent to "our enemies", but the soldiers in Fallujah sure found out.
Quote from: Doc on January 29, 2009, 10:52:25 PM
I'll say she's stupid. She's a promenant woman in the world-wide public eye. What message did that sent to our enemies?
I wouldn't go so far as to call her stupid. I think she misspoke, and needs to choose her words more wisely. :yes:
Quote from: kimmi on January 30, 2009, 07:18:21 AM
Our entire country sends vibes to the world that we don't like each other or get along. All they have to do is stumble across a forum and they can read that. It is no secret that this is a country full of people who can't get along!
No truer words were ever spoken Kimmi. :thumbsup:
Quote from: dan foster on January 30, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
Again, I think the other folks don't get your satirical wit. But to answer your question on a serious note, I would guess that other prominent (sic) women from our past sent quite a message to our enemies: harriet tubman, rosa parks, the 4 little girls killed in a B'ham church bombing, etc, etc. I can't even imagine what message Lynndie England sent to "our enemies", but the soldiers in Fallujah sure found out.
Dan.... you really have me wondering what the heck happened? You're suddenly stuck on the race issues. Has something happened to you personally recently? I don't quite know what to make of all of this. :think:
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on January 30, 2009, 09:07:11 PM
Dan.... you really have me wondering what the heck happened? You're suddenly stuck on the race issues. Has something happened to you personally recently? I don't quite know what to make of all of this. :think:
Never changed my tune, but it does irk me when I see racist attitudes portrayed as "sympathetic", or just blatantly ignorant. You brought up Michelle Obama's statement on country, I didn't. Your response to her statements have been nothing short of racist with a big slathering of ignorance.
Quote from: dan foster on January 30, 2009, 11:19:39 PM
Never changed my tune, but it does irk me when I see racist attitudes portrayed as "sympathetic", or just blatantly ignorant. You brought up Michelle Obama's statement on country, I didn't. Your response to her statements have been nothing short of racist with a big slathering of ignorance.
Dan, I've been through all of my posts on this thread, and you are sadly mistaken. Go back and read my posts on this thread. Read them R-E-A-L S-L-O-W if that'll help.Then come back and post the number to the post where you supposedly found these asinine statements. :rolleyes: No, I wasn't the one who brought up her misspoken statement. You need to read complete posts before, you go off half cocked, and start shooting your mouth off. :rolleyes: Your attack of me was completely unprovoked Dan. :no:
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on January 31, 2009, 12:42:31 PM
Dan, I've been through all of my posts on this thread, and you are sadly mistaken. Go back and read my posts on this thread. Read them R-E-A-L S-L-O-W if that'll help.Then come back and post the number to the post where you supposedly found these asinine statements. :rolleyes: No, I wasn't the one who brought up her misspoken statement. You need to read complete posts before, you go off half cocked, and start shooting your mouth off. :rolleyes: Your attack of me was completely unprovoked Dan. :no:
Oops, you are correct. It was Anne, Hank and Monroe that pushed the racist overtones in their pronouncements about Michelle Obama's statement. You did, however, appear to support their views, and thus caught my wrath ;>) So, yes, it was the other boneheads that showed the insensitivity, not you. ;>) Sorry.
Quote from: dan foster on February 01, 2009, 12:15:12 AM
Oops, you are correct. It was Anne, Hank and Monroe that pushed the racist overtones in their pronouncements about Michelle Obama's statement. You did, however, appear to support their views, and thus caught my wrath ;>) So, yes, it was the other boneheads that showed the insensitivity, not you. ;>) Sorry.
Exactly what did I say that was racist?
Anne, you did not say anything racist. Dan sees racism where It doesn't exist, other things too. It's tied in with his problem with religion.
He's completely 'round the bend and not worth trying to dialogue with. I think he is a complete fcuking idiot; that's why I usually ignore him.
Quote from: Anne on February 01, 2009, 05:47:33 PM
Exactly what did I say that was racist?
You down play the past as though m. obama had no real claim of dissapointment with her past in the US. You may not consider yourself a racist, but you might want to:
"take some classes in public speaking and tact to avoid those embarrassing situations"
Racism was never going to change in this country until whites were as pissed off as blacks. You still sound like it was, "no big deal".
Posts by Anne:
1.Her statement, "I have never proud of my country until now" was a stupid mistake on her part. It wasn't what she meant, but she said it and now she has to live with it. It seems to me that she should really be proud of her country when she and her husband received a first rate education because of this country, lived in a million dollar house, and made an extremely good living, because of living in this country. She needs to think before she speaks.
2. I don't know about golf courses, but the Obamas are the age of my children and they grew up with many black children and none of them were kept from doing anything they wanted. At some point in time the past has to be the past. We have to move on. I doubt Mrs. Obama was ever kept out of a movie theatre or restaurant or swimming pool because of her color. If that is what is bothering her she needs to rethink her situation.
Quote from: dan foster on January 30, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
...prominent (sic)...
Pssst...you only use (sic) to denote that you have intentionally spelled a word incorrectly, such as in a quote.
Quote from: dan foster on February 01, 2009, 08:28:56 PM
You down play the past as though m. obama had no real claim of dissapointment with her past in the US. You may not consider yourself a racist, but you might want to:
"take some classes in public speaking and tact to avoid those embarrassing situations"
Racism was never going to change in this country until whites were as pissed off as blacks. You still sound like it was, "no big deal".
Posts by Anne:
1.Her statement, "I have never proud of my country until now" was a stupid mistake on her part. It wasn't what she meant, but she said it and now she has to live with it. It seems to me that she should really be proud of her country when she and her husband received a first rate education because of this country, lived in a million dollar house, and made an extremely good living, because of living in this country. She needs to think before she speaks.
2. I don't know about golf courses, but the Obamas are the age of my children and they grew up with many black children and none of them were kept from doing anything they wanted. At some point in time the past has to be the past. We have to move on. I doubt Mrs. Obama was ever kept out of a movie theatre or restaurant or swimming pool because of her color. If that is what is bothering her she needs to rethink her situation.
The statement about taking classes in tact I would make about anyone who made such a misstatemnt in a public speaking engagement. Not racist at all. Yes, terrible things happened in the past, but that does not mean anyone should live in the past. The past cannot be changed. If we don't move beyond the happenings of the past nothing can change. What does she have to be disappointed about? She and her husband went to first class schools (his partly because of his grandparents), received excellent educations, and obtained high paying jobs. In short they lived the American dream. Anyone who has achieved that should take pride in their country.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 02, 2009, 07:50:33 AM
Pssst...you only use (sic) to denote that you have intentionally spelled a word incorrectly, such as in a quote.
Oops, I let the spell checker fix it, instead of keeping the organial messpelleded word ;>)
Actually, I just goofed, but thanks for the correction.
Quote from: Anne on February 02, 2009, 10:18:44 AM
The statement about taking classes in tact I would make about anyone who made such a misstatemnt in a public speaking engagement. Not racist at all. Yes, terrible things happened in the past, but that does not mean anyone should live in the past. The past cannot be changed. If we don't move beyond the happenings of the past nothing can change. What does she have to be disappointed about? She and her husband went to first class schools (his partly because of his grandparents), received excellent educations, and obtained high paying jobs. In short they lived the American dream. Anyone who has achieved that should take pride in their country.
Sorry, you missed the part about YOU might want to take the classes. I simply turned the phrase back on you, and....well shit, if I have to explain it to you, it isn't funny anymore....
Quote from: dan foster on February 02, 2009, 11:39:33 PM
Sorry, you missed the part about YOU might want to take the classes. I simply turned the phrase back on you, and....well shit, if I have to explain it to you, it isn't funny anymore....
If I was a public speaker and represented anyone other than myself, they might be in order. That is not the case so I will pass, thank you very much.
Quote from: Anne on February 04, 2009, 08:34:08 AM
If I was a public speaker and represented anyone other than myself, they might be in order. That is not the case so I will pass, thank you very much.
As such, what makes you think you're qualified to judge someone who is?
Anne must be a lawyer.
Acerbic analysis an' all.
It isn't difficult to tell when someone makes a mistake like Mrs. Obama did. I am not a lawyer, do only lawyers give "acerbic analysis"? If that is the cast there must be a lot of them around.
A cast of thousands.
Quote from: Anne on February 04, 2009, 03:17:36 PM
It isn't difficult to tell when someone makes a mistake like Mrs. Obama did. I am not a lawyer, do only lawyers give "acerbic analysis"? If that is the cast there must be a lot of them around.
You continue to contend that MS Obama made a mistake. If being honest is a mistake, you must really long for the days of bush/cheney.
Yep, most people appreciate honesty, admire and respect it even and the others....watch Fox News. ;D
I like this Anne, rather, I like YOU Anne. I see you are a "newbie", and so, might not know the personalities on this forum. There are only a few.
This forum is dominated by people with left wing loyalties who never abate their disdain of anyone who dares contradict the cool kids, them. They own the place. This forum, the political part, is not generally used to exchange information or to debate ideas. It is a field of combat for status, transparent juvenile attempts to win arguments and to puff up ones ego. Some posters may be certifiable (hello dan). I've engage in that with some pleasure and fun since sitting with little else to do in a barracks on Ft. Hood Texas in 2005. It was fun but became boring and pointless; I left but came back a while ago. In spite of all that, I hope you stay here and post your thoughts. Don't take the kids too seriously. As a mature adult you are a breath of fresh air.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on February 04, 2009, 10:16:13 PM
Yep, most people appreciate honesty, admire and respect it even and the others....watch Fox News. ;D
I respect people who say what they mean and mean what they say. If she meant it, then good for her. Like I said before, it is not like our country doesn't already appear as though we all can't get along.
Quote from: Monroe on February 04, 2009, 11:10:54 PM
This forum is dominated by people with left wing loyalties who never abate their disdain of anyone who dares contradict the cool kids intelligence, education and critical thinking skills.
I went ahead and fixed this for you.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 05, 2009, 07:28:29 AM
I went ahead and fixed this for you.
And cool kids!! You forgot cool kids! :razz:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on February 04, 2009, 10:16:13 PM
Yep, most people appreciate honesty, admire and respect it even and the others....watch Fox News. ;D
:smile:
Quote from: kimmi on February 05, 2009, 07:07:52 PM
And cool kids!! You forgot cool kids! :razz:
:smile:
Quote from: Monroe on February 04, 2009, 11:10:54 PM
I like this Anne, rather, I like YOU Anne. I see you are a "newbie", and so, might not know the personalities on this forum. There are only a few.
This forum is dominated by people with left wing loyalties who never abate their disdain of anyone who dares contradict the cool kids, them. They own the place. This forum, the political part, is not generally used to exchange information or to debate ideas. It is a field of combat for status, transparent juvenile attempts to win arguments and to puff up ones ego. Some posters may be certifiable (hello dan). I've engage in that with some pleasure and fun since sitting with little else to do in a barracks on Ft. Hood Texas in 2005. It was fun but became boring and pointless; I left but came back a while ago. In spite of all that, I hope you stay here and post your thoughts. Don't take the kids too seriously. As a mature adult you are a breath of fresh air.
Yes, it must seem interminably hopeless being on the wrong side of history, of every argument, and every ideology. Sorry. If it helps, you can have Anne puff up your ego, too (if that's what you are calling it, these days) :biggrin:
I seen an interview with Whoopie Goldberg on Fox last night and she, being a rather intelligent person, explained the comment better than anyone else I've heard to this point. I understand the comment better now and see where Mrs. Obama might have been coming from. I may not always agree with Whoopie on things but she is very articulate and very rarely uses the same old talking points to explain her position on things.
Ya'll really should give Fox a try instead of listening to all the tripe about them being biased. Start out with Glen Beck. He's a little irritating at times but will call out either side for wrong doing.
me, I do watch Fox and it's obvious that it's a right-wing Conservative slant news network. Glenn Beck is known as Conservative political commentator. Which of the left-wing slant commentators do you watch?
I watch CNN, MSNBC, CSPAN and Fox at times, because I like to see how the story is going to be covered on each station. Try it, it's an eye-opener.
Quote from: me on February 06, 2009, 08:41:17 AM
I seen an interview with Whoopie Goldberg on Fox last night and she, being a rather intelligent person, explained the comment better than anyone else I've heard to this point. I understand the comment better now and see where Mrs. Obama might have been coming from. I may not always agree with Whoopie on things but she is very articulate and very rarely uses the same old talking points to explain her position on things.
Ya'll really should give Fox a try instead of listening to all the tripe about them being biased. Start out with Glen Beck. He's a little irritating at times but will call out either side for wrong doing.
I don't trust Beck to cover anything. He is a mor(m)on. :biggrin:
Quote from: me on February 06, 2009, 08:41:17 AM
I seen an interview with Whoopie Goldberg on Fox last night and she, being a rather intelligent person, explained the comment better than anyone else I've heard to this point. I understand the comment better now and see where Mrs. Obama might have been coming from. I may not always agree with Whoopie on things but she is very articulate and very rarely uses the same old talking points to explain her position on things.
Ya'll really should give Fox a try instead of listening to all the tripe about them being biased. Start out with Glen Beck. He's a little irritating at times but will call out either side for wrong doing.
I abhor Whoopie Goldberg!!! She is about as racist as they come. Infact, I'd rather have a colonoscopy then listen to her ignorant racist bullshit. :rolleyes:
Quote from: dan foster on February 06, 2009, 11:08:06 AM
I don't trust Beck to cover anything. He is a mor(m)on. :biggrin:
Dan.... :no: :preach: :pope:
Whoopie a racist? That is a new one for me!
I listened to her syndicated radio show every morning until she left it and went to The View and racist was never a word that popped in my head while listening.
Quote from: kimmi on February 07, 2009, 11:42:06 AM
Whoopie a racist? That is a new one for me!
I listened to her syndicated radio show every morning until she left it and went to The View and racist was never a word that popped in my head while listening.
This may be because you think only white people are racist. A lot of people turn a deaf ear, and blind eye to racism towards white. It's ingrained in some people's minds, that white people are the only racist people in the world. I can think of a lot of terms that I find extremely racist towards whites.
They are....
Honkie
Cracker
White devils
Whitey ( like being white is a bad thing) ha!!!!
I'm sure there are a lot more... these are off the top of my head.
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on February 07, 2009, 12:00:39 PM
This may be because you think only white people are racist. A lot of people turn a deaf ear, and blind eye to racism towards white. It's ingrained in some people's minds, that white people are the only racist people in the world. I can think of a lot of terms that I find extremely racist towards whites.
They are....
Honkie
Cracker
White devils
Whitey ( like being white is a bad thing) ha!!!!
I'm sure there are a lot more... these are off the top of my head.
First of all, I don't think only white people can be racist. And two, when was the last time any of the words you listed was used toward you or anyone else you know? And if they are being used toward you, you might want to look at the reason why! I've NEVER been called any of those names.
Quote from: kimmi on February 07, 2009, 12:34:35 PM
First of all, I don't think only white people can be racist. And two, when was the last time any of the words you listed was used toward you or anyone else you know? And if they are being used toward you, you might want to look at the reason why! I've NEVER been called any of those names.
Of course it's ridiculous to think that only white people are racist. No race is without it's collection of idiots.
I can't think of the last time that I've heard those terms either...maybe some old 70's movie :biggrin:
I've experienced racism and I have to admit the first time it was shocking and after that interesting to me...I can't fathom why someone would dislike another person based on something they have no control over AND something that has no bearing on the type of person they are.
That being said, I've never heard Whoopie use those terms. So, how is she a racist Dex?
Beck, Hannity, OReiley, Olberman, and Madow are all so far out of whack with the rest of the population. They embellish, exaggerate, and present far left/right alarmist points of view for one reason only......ratings/money. CNN had to get rid of Beck because they at least attempt to be unbiased.
I too like to watch foxnews and msnbc just to hear the diffent sides of the same story.....so I guess there stragety works because they are getting my ratings.
I would say Michelle is a fine role model for Americans.
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on February 07, 2009, 11:39:26 AM
I abhor Whoopie Goldberg!!! She is about as racist as they come. Infact, I'd rather have a colonoscopy then listen to her ignorant racist bullshit. :rolleyes:
Gosh Dex I had never noticed Whoopie being racist even in her stand up comedy routines. Please point it out to me if I've missed something. We usually agree on stuff and this surprises me to say the least.
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on February 07, 2009, 11:39:26 AM
I abhor Whoopie Goldberg!!! She is about as racist as they come. Infact, I'd rather have a colonoscopy then listen to her ignorant racist bullshit. :rolleyes:
I have never heard her utter a racist word and I have been following her for quite some time from the beginning of her stand up act. Please provide just one quote.
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on February 07, 2009, 12:00:39 PM
This may be because you think only white people are racist. A lot of people turn a deaf ear, and blind eye to racism towards white. It's ingrained in some people's minds, that white people are the only racist people in the world. I can think of a lot of terms that I find extremely racist towards whites.
They are....
Honkie
Cracker
White devils
Whitey ( like being white is a bad thing) ha!!!!
I'm sure there are a lot more... these are off the top of my head.
Whoopie may in fact uses some of those terms in stand up, but in as humor, or most of the time as humor to point out the ignorance they represent. I will assume you just didn't get it.