Can somebody explain the Superdelegates?..

[Henry Hawk]

They just get the Supreme Court to do it for them.

You mean interpret the laws as they are written and designed?

[Y]

I DID..

can you show me a similar process on the GOP, where voters are being disenfranchised..

Do you even grasp what unpledged means?  How about primary elections?  Disenfranchised?  Party politics?  Apparently not...

It's party politics, NOT general elections, Henry...

Whenever I'm confronted with such ignorance, I move closer and closer to the position of pre-qualifications for allowing people to vote...

...but I still find you an affable fellow...

[Henry Hawk]

can you show me a similar process on the GOP, where voters are being disenfranchised..

I didn't think so...........

[Henry Hawk]

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/9373/

Here is a cartoon by Glen Beck......a look at the history of Super Delegates....

[me]

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/9373/

Here is a cartoon by Glen Beck......a look at the history of Super Delegates....

Glad you found that Henry and its something that was on CNN so no one can crack on Fox for that one....

[Henry Hawk]

Glad you found that Henry and its something that was on CNN so no one can crack on Fox for that one....

Glen Beck did it.......and he is a libertarian...and it is pretty funny and has some truths to it...

[me]

Glen Beck did it.......and he is a libertarian...and it is pretty funny and has some truths to it...

[Y]

Glenn Beck dried-out drunk, ex-drug addict, Mormon, conservative!

Libertarian doesn't seem to be mentioned. 

[Y]

I DID..

can you show me a similar process on the GOP, where voters are being disenfranchised..

Do you even grasp what unpledged means?  How about primary elections?  Disenfranchised?  Party politics?  Apparently not...

It's party politics, NOT general elections, Henry...

Whenever I'm confronted with such ignorance, I move closer and closer to the position of pre-qualifications for allowing people to vote...

...but I still find you an affable fellow...

I didn't think so...........

As I pointed out, just like from where you regurgitated that crap, you don't understand the system.  The parties and their shills don't want you to.

Both parties are private entities, corporations IIRC.  Think of both parties as private clubs with millions of members.  The National Committees own and run the parties, make the rules, and though they may allow the members (i.e.: voters, as you and the shills want to think) some voice, the National Committees can have the final say according to the rules they have made.

Primaries, caucuses, etc. are not true elections in the sense of the ones where a candidate is actually selected by real voters from between the two parties (that have a stranglehold on the election process) for an actual office.

They are nothing more than party politics.  The process where members of the party, through private means, finagle a party representative for the real election...the one for office.

Therefore, when you and the shills claim 'voters' are being 'disenfranchised', nothing could be further from the truth. 

And if you're not a member of the political party whose rules you disagree with and are complaining about, you don't have standing to do either.


If that system now seems screwed to you, and you wonder why it appears to consistently spit out crap, then you should cease your partisanship and join the ranks of those who want anyone, regardless of party affiliation, who fits the qualifications to be able to run for office, and those who want proportional representation of all political parties in the legislative bodies.

[Henry Hawk]

these super delegates can and will vote for WHOEVER they want....despite what the people wanted..........if they do so...it says that THEY think they know more than the voters do.......and that seems typical for what democrats stand for.........

they think they know how to spend our money better than we do.......so they tax the crap out of us.......
they like making laws that tells us how to eat.....they like control....and THAT is one thing i don't like about democrat policies...

[Y]

these super delegates can and will vote for WHOEVER they want....despite what the people wanted..........if they do so...it says that THEY think they know more than the voters do.......and that seems typical for what democrats stand for.........

they think they know how to spend our money better than we do.......so they tax the crap out of us.......
they like making laws that tells us how to eat.....they like control....and THAT is one thing i don't like about democrat policies...

Henry, that is SO convoluted.  Do you ever actually read anything posted?

1. The 'super delegates' you keep mindlessly harping on about are actually what are termed 'PLEOs', i.e.: unpledged delegates, and BOTH parties have them.  They are used to assure the parties leaders/machine control.

2. The 'voters' you keep mindlessly harping on about are NOT 'voters' in the sense of voters when they are voting to elect an official from between the two parties candidates.  The are supposed to be mere party members aiding the party machine determine who the party will offer up as a candidate for the actual election.

3. Your rant about 'control', 'taxes', and 'Democrats' and their 'policies' is misplaced in this discussion. 

[Henry Hawk]

the bottom line IS........these so-called "un-pledged" delegates can vote for who EVER they want to.......despite the voice of the people............simply..because THEY know better than the general public?

[Y]

the bottom line IS........these so-called "un-pledged" delegates can vote for who EVER they want to.......despite the voice of the people............simply..because THEY know better than the general public?

Henry, are you really that dense or just that stubborn?

It's NOT the 'people' or the 'general public', it's members of an incorporated private group. 

Just like at your job at an incorporated private group, the heads of the corporation keep control and can make decisions in complete opposition/indifference to your opinion.

Don't like it?  Get involved and see if you can change party rules, or better yet help promote more parties involvement in the process and break the Repub/Demo strangelhold on the political process in this country.

[me]

Henry, are you really that dense or just that stubborn?

It's NOT the 'people' or the 'general public', it's members of an incorporated private group. 

Just like at your job at an incorporated private group, the heads of the corporation keep control and can make decisions in complete opposition/indifference to your opinion.

Don't like it?  Get involved and see if you can change party rules, or better yet help promote more parties involvement in the process and break the Repub/Demo strangelhold on the political process in this country.

If the Clinton-Obama fight continues to the convention floor - that is, if neither gets 2,025 delegates in the primaries - the nominee will be decided by the shadowy Super Delegates.

Actually, the Super Delegates themselves aren't shadowy - they're public figures. They're senators, congressional representatives, governors, members of the DNC and former Presidents (like Bill Clinton) - and they include Hillary and Barack themselves.

And how do they make their decisions?

Some, like Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) commit to voting for whoever wins the popular vote in their state (Clinton, in this case).

But mostly they decide who to vote for based on personal loyalty and horse-trading.

The Democrats (not the Republicans) instituted Super Delegates in the 1980s to prevent fringe candidates (like, for example, Dennis Kucinich) from whipping up a public frenzy and taking the nomination. In other words, the system is designed to protect the establishment candidate.

And from the list of SD's already lined up (Clinton has twice as many as Obama so far, including gay congress members Barney Frank and Tammy Baldwin) it's clear that this strategy works. The names behind Clinton are, well, names.

The names behind Obama? Besides the Kennedys and the Illinois delegation, most folks haven't heard of them. (See the list of Super Delegates here.)

Winning by Super Delegate isn't good for anyone, no matter how fun it seems to have a fight on the convention floor. It means that the candidate is beholden to up to 796 people (the number of Super Delegates) in a way that eclipses lobbyist influence, because it is a direct vote.

It is also too reminicent of the shady business in Florida in 2000. Everything is perfectly legal....and yet it leaves a really bad taste in  your mouth. About 20 percent of the vote can be decided by super delegates - giving each one delegate the power of about 153,000 voters.

So heres to wrapping this up in the next month. Because when the Super Delegates step in, the power is taken from the people's hands.

http://visiblevote08.logoonline.com/2008/02/06/what-are-super-delegates/

[Henry Hawk]

Henry, are you really that dense or just that stubborn?

It's NOT the 'people' or the 'general public', it's members of an incorporated private group. 

Just like at your job at an incorporated private group, the heads of the corporation keep control and can make decisions in complete opposition/indifference to your opinion.

Don't like it?  Get involved and see if you can change party rules, or better yet help promote more parties involvement in the process and break the Repub/Demo strangelhold on the political process in this country.

It is a crooked loop-hole that was instigated by democrats...........to be sure that the person THEY think is the best for their party........not really what the people themselves may want...............

that is not me being dense.........that is just the way it is Y....