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The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 01:40:52 PM
Troll, this is another landmark day, but we once AGAIN, agree on something!!!  It would cut our prison population in half and save billions of dollars!  Let the free market have at it.....it would create jobs, farms, entreprenuers....and as you said....TAX IT!

I was never a user of it, but I knew plenty who did/are.....probably safer than most alcohol.

Put the same conditions on it as drinking.........if you have a "certain" level of it in you blood stream while you are driving...then treat the punishment the same as alcohol.

  You sure right on that one, you can't control morals or instill brains in a person who will not understand or listen. 

  Right now, with all of the border control and drug control at the border.  More dope crosses the border than ever before.  Hell, they can't keep illegal drugs out of prisons.  Why fight it.   Tax it and control it like the Federal Internal Revenue does.  If they don't pay the taxes on it, they surely will go to prison, because it will be a federal crime.  No shortened  sentences, they get the full time prison time.   :yes: :biggrin:

damfast

i think you are on the right track with that guys.. i have never met a drug addict i would have in my home for dinner. 

hopefully they would build their drug house far away from here...like mexico city... cheaper wood there too(for coffins)
It's always darkest before the dawn.  So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.

Anne

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 01:40:52 PM
Troll, this is another landmark day, but we once AGAIN, agree on something!!!  It would cut our prison population in half and save billions of dollars!  Let the free market have at it.....it would create jobs, farms, entreprenuers....and as you said....TAX IT!

I was never a user of it, but I knew plenty who did/are.....probably safer than most alcohol.

Put the same conditions on it as drinking.........if you have a "certain" level of it in you blood stream while you are driving...then treat the punishment the same as alcohol.

I don't know, Henry, how many drunk drivers are out there, add drug users to that and see what happens. I think you can legalize it, it might cut down on crime because the drugs might be cheaper and easier to get, but I don't think you could "control" it.
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

The Troll

Quote from: Anne on June 05, 2012, 06:16:18 PM
I don't know, Henry, how many drunk drivers are out there, add drug users to that and see what happens. I think you can legalize it, it might cut down on crime because the drugs might be cheaper and easier to get, but I don't think you could "control" it.

  Anne, they are out there right now, on the road driving, robbing, stealing and it is controlled.  It isn't working, it will never work the way it's going now.

  If a law isn't working now why continue it, let us try something else.  What could it hurt.    :doh:

  I would like to see it set up that any city over 20,000 people would have a drug dispensing office where the addicts could come in, sign in and could take into their nose or veins all the drugs they want and they would be prohibited to drive on the roads.

  For a free ride they would have to donate their bodies to science or fertilizer.  Their choice.   :wink: :smile:

Palehorse

You know things have declined drastically when an individual imparts an act of decency within their daily routine, and it shocks you more than the slaughter of a human being.  :mad:
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Palehorse

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Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

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Palehorse

So today I rode the steel horse to work after spending a few hours cleaning it up over the weekend. I parked it in the designated MC parking area. . .

Only problem is the "summer students" were power washing the building . . . and when I went to come home my bike was covered in overspray, grit, dirt,. . .  :mad:  I was madder than hell, and still am after spending th least 3 hours cleaning that shit off my motorcycle. . .  :mad: :mad: :mad:
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That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

The Troll

Quote from: Palehorse on June 07, 2012, 10:16:44 PM
So today I rode the steel horse to work after spending a few hours cleaning it up over the weekend. I parked it in the designated MC parking area. . .

Only problem is the "summer students" were power washing the building . . . and when I went to come home my bike was covered in overspray, grit, dirt,. . .  :mad:  I was madder than hell, and still am after spending th least 3 hours cleaning that shit off my motorcycle. . .  :mad: :mad: :mad:

  :cry:  :cry:  I know!  I know.  Some jerk off thought the plant steel fence needed a new look during the work day.  So he order our plant fence spray painted with a new coat of silver paint.  My car and about 50 others got an over spray of aluminum paint.  I was lucky, I had just gave it a good waxing.  They just buffed it off.  Others had to have their cars repainted.   :sweatdrop:   :smile:

Palehorse

I'm going to the facilities manager today and asking him to rope off the motorcycle parking spaces when they are going to be doing that crap.

They're damned lucky that shit didn't screw up the paint and leather / chrome on my motorcycle. If it had they'd be ponying up almost enough money to buy me a new one.  :mad:
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That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Palehorse

The Sandusky trial is looking pretty damning for "back Door Jerry", not to mention the officials at Penn State. . .  :mad:
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That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

The Troll

Quote from: Palehorse on June 12, 2012, 11:05:19 AM
The Sandusky trial is looking pretty damning for "back Door Jerry", not to mention the officials at Penn State. . .  :mad:

  My mind has been working on this.  And for the life of me, why in hell would a grown man with his education and a damn good job.  Go and mess with young boys.  Screwing up their minds and fucking up his whole life and his family's lives  What a sick son-of-a-bitch.  :angry:  :mad: :rant:

followsthewolf

Your key word there is "sick."
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: followsthewolf on June 13, 2012, 08:13:46 AM
Your key word there is "sick."

after reading some of the testimony.......it made me sick!.....this man needs to be locked up and the keys thrown away.

if I caught this guy doing what he has done to other 11 year olds to MY 11 year old, I would not hesitate to end his life. :rant:

it amazes me how a man, of his status, can do the things he has done............mentaly disturbed it what he is.
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libby

Yes, he is sick.  Evil. I think the most heartbreaking, outrageous part of what has been revealed so far is the testimony of the boy (identified as Victim 1).  He and his mother told a school counselor what Sandusky was doing to him, and ... well read for yourself. The following is from today's Washington Post:

Jerry Sandusky trial: Witness weeps as he testifies to abuse; McQueary recounts shower episode

By Joel Achenbach and Jenna Johnson,
Published: June 12, 2012

BELLEFONTE, Pa. — Jerry Sandusky faced two accusers Tuesday, one a hulking former Penn State quarterback and assistant coach, the other a skinny 18-year-old who graduated from high school last week. The first, Mike McQueary, testified that he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy, maybe 10 to 12 years old, late one night in a locker room shower. The second, previously identified by the grand jury as "Victim 1," sobbed and buried his face in his hands as he said Sandusky lured him into a close relationship and then sexually abused him repeatedly when he was still in junior high school. "I just kind of blacked out and didn't want it to happen," he said, weeping as he described the first alleged assault, in Sandusky's basement.

Sandusky, who has pleaded not guilty to 52 counts related to child sex abuse, showed no reaction to the searing testimony. The prosecution plans to bring eight alleged victims to the stand, and two have now testified in the trial about protracted sexual abuse by Sandusky. The judge has required that the alleged victims be identified in court by their full names but said he hoped that media organizations would follow their usual practice of protecting victims' privacy. The Washington Post generally does not identify alleged sex-crime victims.

McQueary said that on Feb. 9, 2001, he became fired up about his job after watching the football movie "Rudy." He decided to go to work late in the evening to look at recruiting tapes. He said he went to his locker and saw in a mirror the reflection of Sandusky in the shower pressed up against a young boy — who has never been identified — who was facing away with his hands on the wall. McQueary slammed his locker door to create a loud noise, he said. He turned and saw Sandusky and the boy directly. "We looked directly in each other's eyes. At that time, I left the locker room."

The prosecutor asked if he had any doubt about the identity of the man. "No doubt," McQueary said, and for the first time in his testimony, he looked directly at Sandusky. "None!"

McQueary, a strapping man who looks like he just came off the gridiron, proved to be a combative witness during the cross-examination as the defense queried him about inconsistencies in his previous accounts of what he saw. McQueary said that when he told legendary coach Joe Paterno about the incident, "I made sure he knew it was sexual and it was wrong." Paterno was fired after Sandusky was charged last fall, and he died in January.  McQueary told two other university officials about the incident but no significant action was taken against Sandusky, who, according to prosecutors, continued to prey on boys.

Four years ago, "Victim 1's" allegation of sexual abuse by Sandusky set in motion the investigation that has culminated in the trial in this picturesque Victorian town.

"Victim 1" said he grew up not knowing his father. He was not yet a teenager when he began attending camps sponsored by the Second Mile, the charity Sandusky founded to help troubled kids.  The witness became frustrated when Sandusky's attorney, Joe Amendola, asked him again and again about inconsistencies in his testimony to a grand jury and reports he made to officials. The teenager said it was difficult to tell his story to different people, because he was worried about being ridiculed or embarrassed.

His mother learned that the boy had a suspicious relationship with Sandusky and decided that they needed to meet with a school guidance counselor, the witness said. Under questioning from the guidance counselor, "Victim 1" said Sandusky had molested him. His mother said at the meeting that they should contact police or child protective services. But "Victim 1" said the counselor — who was not identified — advised caution. "They said we needed to think about it. He [Sandusky] has a heart of gold and he wouldn't do something like that. They wouldn't believe me," he testified.


Amendola asked the witness whether he or his mother had ever told anyone that they planned to get rich off the accusations against Sandusky. The witness said no. Amendola pressed, asking the witness whether he had ever told anyone that a payout from a civil lawsuit would allow him and his mother, who have lived in public housing, to purchase a "big house" and several cars.

"I have dreamed about living in a big house. I have dreamed about driving nice cars. Hasn't everybody?" the 18-year-old said.


The first witness alleging abuse, a 28-year-old man who says he was molested in the late 1990s, testified Monday. He is known as "Victim 4" because that is how the grand jury referred to him. The two "victim" witnesses who have appeared so far have some obvious similarities. Both met Sandusky at a Second Mile camp.  Although the alleged sexual abuse occurred in different places — mostly showers for Victim 4, mostly Sandusky's basement for Victim 1 — it built up in similar ways and involved oral sex, according to the testimony. Both witnesses said they felt like they were part of Sandusky's family. Both said they became uncomfortable with what transpired but were not sure what to do. Both tried to slowly distance themselves from Sandusky, especially once they reached high school. Neither wanted to testify.

After Judge John Cleland adjourned for the day, Sandusky spent a few minutes chatting and laughing — breaking out in a big grin a few times — with a few old friends and supporters. "We still believe in Jerry," said Joyce Porter, who said she'd been a friend for 40 years. Asked about the testimony, she said, "Some of them, they've been coached, don't you think?"  Another friend of 45 years, Kathy Sulkowski, said of Sandusky, "There's so many kids that he turned their lives around. . . . I totally trust him."

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followsthewolf

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 13, 2012, 09:34:28 AM
after reading some of the testimony.......it made me sick!.....this man needs to be locked up and the keys thrown away.

if I caught this guy doing what he has done to other 11 year olds to MY 11 year old, I would not hesitate to end his life. :rant:

it amazes me how a man, of his status, can do the things he has done............mentaly disturbed it what he is.

What bothers me even more is that, as sick as Sandusky is, it isn't as bad as the university that spent so much time and effort trying to protect itself and its athletic department and allowed the horrors to continue.

NOBODY stepped up and protected those kids.

Sandusky's wife, along with all the others at the university who knew about it and did nothing, should be on trial for complicity in this sordid mess.
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.