Global Warming is Natural

[IYT]

Politics don't mix with anything, except alcohol.
Ted Kennedy found that out, eh?   

[Gryphon]

Lets assume for a minute that global warming is an absolute fact. If that were the case...what would it mean? What would we be doing about it? Would it mean different fuels, thoughts toward reusable and renewable materials?

Why wait to do those things? Arent they a good idea anyway? I mean you dont wait to paint your house until the siding is already rotten...why argue about how bad it is, whether its  happening or not, and just start taking care of the dang planet?

[IYT]

Lets assume for a minute that global warming is an absolute fact. If that were the case...what would it mean? What would we be doing about it? Would it mean different fuels, thoughts toward reusable and renewable materials?

Why wait to do those things? Arent they a good idea anyway? I mean you dont wait to paint your house until the siding is already rotten...why argue about how bad it is, whether its  happening or not, and just start taking care of the dang planet?

Because it's is some peoples' contention that this would ruin the world economy, and what's more important, money or a livable environment?

[Gryphon]

that dog wont hunt for me.
Think of the jobs that would be created with the new technologies and products that would be necessary.

[IYT]

that dog wont hunt for me.
Think of the jobs that would be created with the new technologies and products that would be necessary.

I agree, but not the powers that be, the oil industry.

[Henry Hawk]

Lets assume for a minute that global warming is an absolute fact. If that were the case...what would it mean? What would we be doing about it? Would it mean different fuels, thoughts toward reusable and renewable materials?

Why wait to do those things? Arent they a good idea anyway? I mean you dont wait to paint your house until the siding is already rotten...why argue about how bad it is, whether its  happening or not, and just start taking care of the dang planet?

and you don't take the first painter to give you a quote either...okay, maybe not a good analogy............Nobody is saying we don't need different fuels or reusable, renewable materials....we are doing that now...........but, this is not something to slam the brakes on and throw the economy into shambles...just because Al's says the coastline will raise by 20 feet by 2100, then within a few months the scientist are saying it will be more like 23 inches....by 2100........that is the crap we got to get away from or you will never get enough people on board to handle this properly....

[Gryphon]

ok, how will the economy "be in shambles" what industries would be affected? Do you not see how the jobs lost in industries that pollute could be more than made up for in other areas?

[Henry Hawk]

ok, how will the economy "be in shambles" what industries would be affected? Do you not see how the jobs lost in industries that pollute could be more than made up for in other areas?

I'm not saying this is the gospil, but here are some predictions from a group who is in favor of doing something along with Kyoto, but not just yet...they feel it needs to be re-evaluated....


                                                     Corporate Perspective
                                        Effect of Kyoto Protocol on the American Public    

                   Commodity/Issue                                                                                         Effect                   
                   Overall carbon costs                                                         $67 to $347 increase by 2010
                   Electricity                                                                       20 to 86 percent rise by 2010
                   Coal                                                                               153 to 800 percent increase by 2020
                   Gasoline                                                                         $.14 to $.66 additional per gallon cost by 2010
                   United States GDP                                                           21 to 100 billion dollar decrease per year
                   Jobs                                                                              3.5 million additional jobs lost by 2010
                   Average Family Cost (based on income)                               $2,700 per family per year lost in buying power and income

http://www-geology.ucdavis.edu/~GEL10/Warming/text.html..source

[Gryphon]

No, I understand the effects that would be had on coal and oil.
But lets say, instead, we were getting the energy from solar or wind technology. (As an example, not saying thats the answer)
What jobs would be created in those areas? Once the infrastructure was in place, would there be any appreciable difference in what we pay for electricity, etc? For the record, I dont think ole Al is on the mark---hes giving us a worse case scenario. But I do think we need to take very much more seriously our effect on our planet and much more aggressively start exploring alternatives.

[Henry Hawk]

No, I understand the effects that would be had on coal and oil.
But lets say, instead, we were getting the energy from solar or wind technology. (As an example, not saying thats the answer)
What jobs would be created in those areas? Once the infrastructure was in place, would there be any appreciable difference in what we pay for electricity, etc? For the record, I dont think ole Al is on the mark---hes giving us a worse case scenario. But I do think we need to take very much more seriously our effect on our planet and much more aggressively start exploring alternatives.

I truly do not think anybody is against being aggressive at exploring the alternatives....even the Bush Admin has started several solution and taking steps and has set goals of accomplishing tasks to meet the needs....

I agree, our economy will adapt to the new resources, but it has to be done in a phase and not in a big whirl spin that kyoto had set....

[Henry Hawk]

For the record, I dont think ole Al is on the mark---hes giving us a worse case scenario.

so let's give the ass a Oscar.....while he flies his private jet all over the world and lives in thee houses, a 10,000 sq.ft 20 room home and a 4,000 sq.ft. home, plus another one in Tenn....but, he want me to use a clothsline to dry my clothes and change all of my light bulbs in my house....

he is so full of crap, I am 100% convinced he is in this for his own personal profit and gain....so he goes out and gives these 'worst' case scenarios to be sure that everybody lines up to be sure to give him a nobel prize award....

[Sandy Eggo]

Here's a task for you...find an organization without an agenda. Any will do.  If the agenda will utimately going to give our earth (and us) a future, then what's the problem?

As for global warming effecting children's health...I didn't read the article (I will later), but think about it...it's effecting everyone's health. If it doesn't get better then the negative impact to our health will become greater.

That's common sense. 

[IYT]

Here's a task for you...find an organization without an agenda. Any will do.  If the agenda will utimately going to give our earth (and us) a future, then what's the problem?

As for global warming effecting children's health...I didn't read the article (I will later), but think about it...it's effecting everyone's health. If it doesn't get better then the negative impact to our health will become greater.

That's common sense. 

Thank you Thomas Paine.

[followsthewolf]

Henry Hawk posted:

"...so let's give the ass a Oscar..."

Which cheek? Right (conservative)? Left (liberal)? Both?

Does the rest of him get an award, too?

[Henry Hawk]

Claude Allegre, one of France's leading socialists and among her most celebrated scientists, was among the first to sound the alarm about the dangers of global warming.

Now says:
With a wealth of data now in, Dr. Allegre has recanted his views. To his surprise, the many climate models and studies failed dismally in establishing a man-made cause of catastrophic global warming. Meanwhile, increasing evidence indicates that most of the warming comes of natural phenomena. Dr. Allegre now sees global warming as over-hyped and an environmental concern of second rank.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=2f4cc62e-5b0d-4b59-8705-fc28f14da388