Global Warming is Natural

[Henry Hawk]

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm

Just to pick things up a tad.....evidence is coming more and more prominent that global warming is natural and not caused By human activity.....

It has become such a political issue....that is why, I am not quick to jump on the bandwagon either way....though I tend to side with the natural than the man made...

[Henry Hawk]

10 years to save the planet...http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007050028,00.html

It is the kooks like Leonardo Di Caprio and hollywood buddies, who want to save the world...saying things like "If water levels continue to rise at this rate, my house in New York will be underwater, and I'll have to get a gondola to get around. It's frightening."...in my opinon, this is a politically motivated fear tactic to scare people into voting a particular way.....

[Henry Hawk]

and articles like this:

Climate change means hunger and thirst for billions: report

Billions of people will suffer water shortages and the number of hungry will grow by hundreds of millions by 2080 as global temperatures rise, scientists warn in a new report.


http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/30/070130081454.ieaxdzu8.html

[Henry Hawk]

I don't know about you guys, but the weathermen that I listen to can hardly get tomorrows forcast right...let alone 2080!...

[awol]

...in my opinon, this is a politically motivated fear tactic to scare people into voting a particular way.....

did (9/11) you (9/11) just (9/11) say (9/11) that (9/11)?

[Henry Hawk]

did (9/11) you (9/11) just (9/11) say (9/11) that (9/11)?

okay ha ha.. ..here is the big difference......................I'm right and your wrong...........see? 

jerry fletcher.....

[Sandy Eggo]

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm

Just to pick things up a tad.....evidence is coming more and more prominent that global warming is natural and not caused By human activity.....

It has become such a political issue....that is why, I am not quick to jump on the bandwagon either way....though I tend to side with the natural than the man made...

You were just trying to draw me in to the Hawk's nest...weren't you. 

Henry, you're only partially right. Obviously, the earth's natural process does contribute, but based on your premise the growth in industry, agriculture, transportation, and population has had NO impact on this process at all. Seriously, you can't believe that.

[Henry Hawk]

You were just trying to draw me in to the Hawk's nest...weren't you. 

Henry, you're only partially right. Obviously, the earth's natural process does contribute, but based on your premise the growth in industry, agriculture, transportation, and population has had NO impact on this process at all. Seriously, you can't believe that.

I'm not saying that it does not, but not to the extent that we need to bankrupt our economy, and scream the sky is falling.....I, absolutely believe we need to be wise about this, but, we need to weed out the politics first.  If we react too fast, that could wreck our economy, and I realize if it is as bad as 'some' claim, we may need to react faster....but not the knee jerk reaction that some want us to do....

and YES, you fell into my nest....about time...

[Sandy Eggo]

Henry,

I don't follow your logic. Scientific studies have proven the impact and the advanced rate of global warming due to increased pollutants such as C0², methane, etc., This is caused by burning of fossil fuels and deforestation. Increased production of cattle for consumption and constant building contribute to the deforestation. How many strip malls, Walmarts, 7-11's and cardboard housing developments do we really need?

As the population continues to grow, we continue to use and some use it as if there is NO end, which unfortunately is foolish. Cars which get better gas mileage, mass transit, alternative and cleaner fuel sources, reforestation - are a few simple preventative measures. I don't understand how you can equate taking preventative measures and using the Earth wisely as "bankrupting" the economy. I also don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to do everything possible to preserve what we have now rather than wait until global warming is in such an advanced state that it could be irreversible.

I think the government should take this more seriously. As for politics? Who cares. The bigger picture is what's important.

[awol]

Henry,

I don't follow your logic...

thats cuz he's using a strawman argument.  he can't argue against your real position (using resourses more conservatively, and finding alternate sorces) so he procedes against a position he can win against (bankrupting the economy).

recognizing these is the first step to clerifying your position.

[Henry Hawk]

thats cuz he's using a strawman argument.  he can't argue against your real position (using resourses more conservatively, and finding alternate sorces) so he procedes against a position he can win against (bankrupting the economy).

recognizing these is the first step to clerifying your position.

get off of the strawman theory poopiehead....Bankrupting the eoconomy is a real concern....This president HAS called for increasing the supply of renewable and alternative fuels (such as: corn ethanol, cellulosic ethanol, biodiesel, methanol, butanol, hydrogen) by setting a mandatory fuels standard to require 35 billion gallons of renewable and alternative fuels in 2017 ... nearly five times the 2012 target now in law. In 2017, this will displace 15 percent of projected annual gasoline use. This does not undermind the free trade market to keep it competitive,........We ARE undergoing several steps to reduce CO emmisions and are leading Technology and Research to become more efficient in fuels....

MsMojo, I agree that MOST scientist claim the advancement of Global Warming is caused by man....but I truely feel that it is HYPED up more for political gains than it really is....Much of the Global Warming IS a Natural process, along with Man it is a problem....and we need to handle it in a way that does not wreck us economicly.  I stand strongly with the conservative approach to this.

[Gryphon]

Why do right wingers deny global warming? I would think that you guys would be at the forefront of any fight to protect the Earth.

[Henry Hawk]

Why do right wingers deny global warming? I would think that you guys would be at the forefront of any fight to protect the Earth.

WE ARE NOT DENYING GLOBAL WARMING!! G....I'm just saying that it is not the AL GORE doomsday crap....We absolutly have to be in the forefront of protecting the Earth, but, realizing that much of this IS natural and not ALL man-made...and to becareful on regulating emmissions from companies to harshly that It will cause economic damage to the United States and the World....I think this President is doing a great job at implementing stratigies for our future....and not jumping on this Kyoto bandwagon is a wise desicion....

[Gryphon]

whats more important, the Earths economy or the Earth itself? Surely you realize that our presence on the planet is hastening global warming?

[Sandy Eggo]

Your facts are still off Henry.

1. "Much" of the greenhouse gases that increase global warming is caused by man-made processes. Left alone, with no inhabitants, the process would still occur, but not at a "Much" slower rate.

2. I'm still not following how conservation and preservation of the Earth is damaging the economy. If you want to talk about damage to the economy then lets start another thread and discuss the damage Bush and Co. has done. That's logically more sound.

3. It is doomsday if not treated seriously and quickly.

Let's take it to a very small scale. Our homes. When you and your wife are home alone, chances are that your home is tidy and clean. Everything is in it's place. The food in the fridge is orderly and there's plenty to eat. Certainly maintaining the house is very easy w/just the two of you.  Enter children, guests, etc. No one intends to "trash" the house, but the more people you have "living" in it...the bigger the mess, the consumption and the more difficult it becomes to maintain.  What do you do? You establish rules, hand out chores, take preventative measures to keep your home nice, clean and maintained. How does that adversely impact the economy of your home? In actuality, by taking preventative measures, you boost the economy of your home, because you have less waste and less to replace. 

See how that analogy could tie in w/the treatment of our planet?