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Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?

Started by Y, February 17, 2019, 08:54:31 PM

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Y

#15
February 21, 2019, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Anne on February 20, 2019, 07:38:52 PM
Why?

Personally, I don't think you give a whit, especially as the answers should be patently obvious.

Anyway, here's a simple explanation.

Capitalism is anti-social; a predatory economic system based on benefiting the one and or the elite.  Socialism and Communism are social economic systems based on benefiting society or the many.

Now if you're setting up a society, do you want to promote an economic system that pits everyone against each other, or an economic system that promotes everyone in that society generally for the best outcome for everyone?

Anyway, people can probably guess your answer.
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In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

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me

#16
February 21, 2019, 05:48:19 PM
I ask again. If you had a business would you want the government telling you how to run it? The only people who profit in a Socialistic society are the government elite not the people.
Trump 2020

Anne

#17
February 22, 2019, 08:44:53 PM
Quote from: Y on February 21, 2019, 03:26:19 PM
Personally, I don't think you give a whit, especially as the answers should be patently obvious.

Anyway, here's a simple explanation.

Capitalism is anti-social; a predatory economic system based on benefiting the one and or the elite.  Socialism and Communism are social economic systems based on benefiting society or the many.

Now if you're setting up a society, do you want to promote an economic system that pits everyone against each other, or an economic system that promotes everyone in that society generally for the best outcome for everyone?

Anyway, people can probably guess your answer.
Personally, I don't care what you think about me. But are you talking about socialism as it applies to social security as in healthcare, personal well being or as it applies to economics? Which countries do you consider socialist?
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Y

#18
February 23, 2019, 08:12:08 PM
Quote from: me on February 21, 2019, 05:48:19 PM
I ask again. If you had a business would you want the government telling you how to run it? The only people who profit in a Socialistic society are the government elite not the people.

Society has to be protected from predators.  It's exactly why we form societies.  Otherwise, it's anarchy - 'nature red in tooth and claw' - and that's coming from a former anarchist.

You should stop talking about Socialism because making such statements only show you know nothing about it except the American capitalistic propaganda you've been spoon fed your entire life.

The capitalists have manipulated American society to fear and abhor any economic system that isn't in their predatory interests.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#19
February 23, 2019, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: Anne on February 22, 2019, 08:44:53 PM
Personally, I don't care what you think about me. But are you talking about socialism as it applies to social security as in healthcare, personal well being or as it applies to economics? Which countries do you consider socialist?

You really should read and pay attention:

Quote from: Y on February 21, 2019, 03:26:19 PM
Anyway, here's a simple explanation.

Capitalism is anti-social; a predatory economic system based on benefiting the one and or the elite.  Socialism and Communism are social economic systems based on benefiting society or the many.

Now if you're setting up a society, do you want to promote an economic system that pits everyone against each other, or an economic system that promotes everyone in that society generally for the best outcome for everyone?
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Exterminator

#20
February 25, 2019, 12:22:25 PM
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

#21
February 25, 2019, 01:16:14 PM
Quote from: Y on February 23, 2019, 08:12:08 PM
Society has to be protected from predators.  It's exactly why we form societies.  Otherwise, it's anarchy - 'nature red in tooth and claw' - and that's coming from a former anarchist.

You should stop talking about Socialism because making such statements only show you know nothing about it except the American capitalistic propaganda you've been spoon fed your entire life.

The capitalists have manipulated American society to fear and abhor any economic system that isn't in their predatory interests.
How did Socialism work out for Valenzuela?
Trump 2020

Exterminator

#22
February 25, 2019, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: me on February 25, 2019, 01:16:14 PM
How did Socialism work out for Valenzuela?

How's it working out for Germany, France, Sweden, Denmark, Great Britain, Japan, Australia, Italy, Canada, Norway, Spain, Finland, Ireland, Belgium, New Zealand, Austria, Switzerland or the Netherlands?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Palehorse

#23
February 26, 2019, 12:28:31 AM
Quote from: me on February 25, 2019, 01:16:14 PM
How did Socialism work out for Valenzuela?

Fernando?
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Exterminator

#24
February 26, 2019, 09:11:41 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on February 26, 2019, 12:28:31 AM
Fernando?

LMAO!  I had missed that.  I wasn't even aware the Phillipines was socialist.  :biggrin:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

#25
February 26, 2019, 01:21:05 PM
Venezuela (typo)
Quote from: me on February 25, 2019, 01:16:14 PM
How did Socialism work out for Valenzuela?
Trump 2020

Exterminator

#26
February 27, 2019, 07:45:35 AM
Quote from: me on February 26, 2019, 01:21:05 PM
Venezuela (typo)

Yeah, sure.

I noticed you're avoiding the question about all of the other countries I mentioned?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

#27
February 27, 2019, 10:40:41 PM
Not too well in most of them.

Democratic Socialist Countries 2019
    Armenia
    Bolivia, Brazil
    Croatia
    Denmark
    Ecuador
    Finland, France
    Germany, Greenland
    Iceland, Ireland, Italy
    Luxembourg
    Moldova
    Netherlands, Nicaragua, Northern Ireland, Norway
    Peru, Portugal
    Serbia, Slovenia, Sweden
    Tunisia, Turkey
    UK
    Venezuela

Of these nations, the countries that have a socialist party that serves as a governing party are:

    Armenia
    Bolivia
    Ecuador
    Iceland
    Nicaragua
    Northern Ireland
    Portugal
    Serbia
    Venezuela
Quote from: me on February 25, 2019, 01:16:14 PM
How did Socialism work out for Valenzuela?
Trump 2020

Exterminator

#28
February 28, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
Socialist party and socialist economic system are not the same thing.

That notwithstanding, Venezuela has devolved into a de facto dictatorship.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Y

#29
February 28, 2019, 06:26:47 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 25, 2019, 12:22:25 PM
On point: Major Study Finds The US Is An Oligarchy

Oh say it ain't so, Joe!

We haven't been duped, and the game hasn't been rigged!

</sarcasm>
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa
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