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Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?

Started by Y, February 17, 2019, 08:54:31 PM

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Y

Quote from: Exterminator on February 28, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
Socialist party and socialist economic system are not the same thing.

That notwithstanding, Venezuela has devolved into a de facto dictatorship.

These morons don't have the slightest clue concerning the difference between an economic system and a government/political system.

You're dead on about Venezuela and it's political system.

It's the same way they blame Communism/Socialism (the economic systems) for the problems in/with Russia/USSR instead of it's political system - a dictatorship.
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Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Exterminator

Quote from: Y on February 28, 2019, 06:35:50 PM
These morons don't have the slightest clue concerning the difference between an economic system and a government/political system.

You're dead on about Venezuela and it's political system.

It's the same way they blame Communism/Socialism (the economic systems) for the problems in/with Russia/USSR instead of it's political system - a dictatorship.

:yes:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Y

LOL!  The Drumpfites don't want to talk about economic systems any more.   :biggrin:
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Anne

Quote from: Y on February 23, 2019, 08:15:47 PM
You really should read and pay attention:

Do you want a socialist country like Denmark, Norway or some others that have a basically free market economy and strong social programs with high taxes or a "true" socialist country where the government controllers most if not all of the economy?
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Y

Quote from: Anne on March 08, 2019, 01:20:15 PM
Do you want a socialist country like Denmark, Norway or some others that have a basically free market economy and strong social programs with high taxes or a "true" socialist country where the government controllers most if not all of the economy?

You really should read and pay attention:

Quote from: Y on February 21, 2019, 03:26:19 PM
Anyway, here's a simple explanation.

Capitalism is anti-social; a predatory economic system based on benefiting the one and or the elite.  Socialism and Communism are social economic systems based on benefiting society or the many.

Now if you're setting up a society, do you want to promote an economic system that pits everyone against each other, or an economic system that promotes everyone in that society generally for the best outcome for everyone?

You should also learn what a 'free market' economy is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market

QuoteIn economics, a free market is a system in which the prices for goods and services are determined by the open market and by consumers. In a free market the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, or by other authority.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Anne

Ok, you can't or won't answer a simple question (name a socialist country) I have more important things to do than read your duplicate posts.
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Y

Quote from: Anne on March 17, 2019, 03:49:03 PM
Ok, you can't or won't answer a simple question (name a socialist country) I have more important things to do than read your duplicate posts.

Actually, you are whining because you haven't paid the slightest attention to my posts - something I pointed out in my first response to you.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

Quote from: Anne on March 17, 2019, 03:49:03 PM
Ok, you can't or won't answer a simple question (name a socialist country) I have more important things to do than read your duplicate posts.

Here's how it unfolded and shows you haven't paid a lick of attention to what I posted on the subject:

Quote from: Y on February 18, 2019, 09:46:34 PM
I agree with you, and it must be strictly controlled.

Of course, I see socialism or communism as probably better economic systems for society.

Quote from: Anne on February 20, 2019, 07:38:52 PM
Why?

Quote from: Y on February 21, 2019, 03:26:19 PM
Personally, I don't think you give a whit, especially as the answers should be patently obvious.

Anyway, here's a simple explanation.

Capitalism is anti-social; a predatory economic system based on benefiting the one and or the elite.  Socialism and Communism are social economic systems based on benefiting society or the many.

Now if you're setting up a society, do you want to promote an economic system that pits everyone against each other, or an economic system that promotes everyone in that society generally for the best outcome for everyone?

Anyway, people can probably guess your answer.

From there you merely rehashed what had been asked and answered.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

me

If, as you say. Socialism is so great, why do people from Socialist countries want to come here?
Trump 2020

Exterminator

Quote from: me on March 20, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
If, as you say. Socialism is so great, why do people from Socialist countries want to come here?

This myth again?  :rolleyes:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

Quote from: Exterminator on March 20, 2019, 03:53:50 PM
This myth again?  :rolleyes:
Oh really? What countries are the immigrants coming from and what are they trying to escape then? Also if some coming here are wanting to get away from their country why are they trying to convert us to what they are trying to escape from?
Trump 2020

Exterminator

Quote from: me on March 21, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
Oh really? What countries are the immigrants coming from and what are they trying to escape then? Also if some coming here are wanting to get away from their country why are they trying to convert us to what they are trying to escape from?

You do realize that your questions directly contradict one another, right?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

Quote from: Exterminator on March 21, 2019, 01:17:51 PM
You do realize that your questions directly contradict one another, right?
Ok, why are people coming here if our country is so bad? If they're coming here for a better life why do they fight against assimilating?
Trump 2020

Exterminator

Quote from: me on March 21, 2019, 06:10:15 PM
Ok, why are people coming here if our country is so bad?

They are fleeing violence, some of which we are responsible for.

QuoteIf they're coming here for a better life why do they fight against assimilating?

Fight against assimilating how, exactly?  By eating burritos?  :rolleyes:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

Quote from: Exterminator on March 22, 2019, 09:23:43 AM
They are fleeing violence, some of which we are responsible for.

Fight against assimilating how, exactly?  By eating burritos?  :rolleyes:
Exactly how are we responsible for Venezuela and the Islam countries? Muslims want to enforce Sharia law here, Mexicans spit on and burn our flag and so does Venezuela. Muslims also expect us to be tolerant of Islam and they don't tolerate Christianity. Immigrants need to do it the right way at ports of entry and respect our laws and customs not expect us to change to suit them.
Trump 2020