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Duggar's 19 Kids and Counting Canceled

Started by Locutus, July 16, 2015, 01:45:38 PM

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The Troll

#105
July 21, 2015, 06:09:25 PM
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 20, 2015, 11:54:05 PM
Are you fucking serious?  He's not trying to find out what a girl's ***** looks like or what her breasts look and feel like.  It's about power over the girl and sexually abusing her.  Experimenting is consensual.  Abuse is not.  There doesn't need to be sex in order for it to be abuse.  The Duggar girls made light a very serious situation by excusing his behavior and saying that all he did was touch them over their clothes.  It doesn't matter, it's still abuse, not experimentation.

  How in hell do you know what he was doing, Cowgirl.  :cowboy:  All you know is what you heard on the news media.  :haha:  You weren't there and you sure don't know anything.    :lurker: :blah: :blah:

AbbyTC

#106
July 21, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: The Troll on July 21, 2015, 06:09:25 PM
  How in hell do you know what he was doing, Cowgirl.  :cowboy:  All you know is what you heard on the news media.  :haha:  You weren't there and you sure don't know anything.    :lurker: :blah: :blah:

Were you there?  Then how do you know he was experimenting?  He was 14 and turned 15 when he molested four of his sisters; that's not experimenting, that's abuse.  Josh said he had "acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret. I hurt others, including my family and close friends."  He would not say that if all that happened was consensual.
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. Robert Frost

Perhaps the butterfly is proof that you can go through a great deal of darkness yet become something beautiful.

The Troll

#107
July 21, 2015, 09:04:21 PM
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 21, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
Were you there?  Then how do you know he was experimenting?  He was 14 and turned 15 when he molested four of his sisters; that's not experimenting, that's abuse.  Josh said he had "acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret. I hurt others, including my family and close friends."  He would not say that if all that happened was consensual.

  They must not have minded. :yes:  If I had touched my sister like that, the rafters of the house would ring, MOM, MOM,  MOMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Troll IS TOUCHING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  And Troll would have got his ass and body beat.  No cops would be called and I just might have went to the hospital.   :yes: :biggrin:

AbbyTC

#108
July 21, 2015, 09:32:46 PM
Quote from: The Troll on July 21, 2015, 09:04:21 PM
  They must not have minded.

Where the hell is your brain?  You really think those girls, let alone anyone else who has been sexually abused didn't mind it happening?  They have been touched without their permission, put into a situation they never asked to be in.  This will stay with them for the rest of their lives. 
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. Robert Frost

Perhaps the butterfly is proof that you can go through a great deal of darkness yet become something beautiful.

Locutus

#109
July 21, 2015, 09:47:37 PM
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 21, 2015, 09:32:46 PM
Where the hell is your brain?  You really think those girls, let alone anyone else who has been sexually abused didn't mind it happening?  They have been touched without their permission, put into a situation they never asked to be in.  This will stay with them for the rest of their lives. 

True words Abby.  :yes:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

#110
July 21, 2015, 09:48:35 PM
According to the Duggar girls, they were asleep and never knew anything happened.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Purplelady1040

#111
July 21, 2015, 09:48:46 PM
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 21, 2015, 09:32:46 PM
Where the hell is your brain?  You really think those girls, let alone anyone else who has been sexually abused didn't mind it happening?  They have been touched without their permission, put into a situation they never asked to be in.  This will stay with them for the rest of their lives.
Agreed!!!

Purplelady1040

#112
July 21, 2015, 09:49:18 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 21, 2015, 09:48:35 PM
According to the Duggar girls, they were asleep and never knew anything happened.
Asleep, awake it doesn't matter. It was abuse!

Locutus

#113
July 21, 2015, 09:51:02 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 21, 2015, 09:48:35 PM
According to the Duggar girls, they were asleep and never knew anything happened.


I think it's been pointed out before that's not true.  He molested one girl while she was sitting on his lap, or did you miss Bo D's posts along those lines?

Would you excuse this behavior if someone molested your daughter while she was asleep?  I think not.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Purplelady1040

#114
July 21, 2015, 09:59:40 PM
Quote from: Bo D on July 17, 2015, 03:31:21 PM
2003: In March of 2003, nine months after the first incidents, Jim Bob Duggar and his wife Michelle Duggar are made aware of two more incidents, according to the report. In one instance, he allegedly molested a victim while she was sitting in his lap, according to the report.
Here is Bo's comment, don't think anyone was asleep but whether awake or asleep, it was abuse!

Henry Hawk

#115
July 21, 2015, 10:03:38 PM
I am just going by the interview I watched with the family.  The girls said they didn't know anything about it until they were told about it.

No, I am not saying it is okay.   Based on everything I have read and heard, they dealt with this, true sorrow has been expressed by the kid, the parents were devastated and they had the boy leave the home until they felt safe for him to return.  The girls are ready to move on.

It is what it is..... There is no need to make more of it than what it is.  People love to hate this family, and look for every opportunity to bash them when they can.


I have made my opinion clear, I think they put themselves in the limelight, so they gotta deal with it.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

libby

#116
July 21, 2015, 11:46:32 PM
I read this entire thread and came away with mixed feelings. First of all, I think I may be living in an alternate universe, because I had never heard of the Duggers until I read this thread.  As HH wrote, what kind of parents would put their children in the limelight like that?

As for the boy, yes, according to what I've read here, he didn't get caught, he confessed to touching, and that says something (favorable) about him.

So, just for the heck of it, let me say that, as one who grew up with 4 sisters, no brothers, and a lot of boy and girl cousins living nearby, that girls, no matter what their age, are not necessarily little angels. When my little boy was about 4, he was bullied by a girl who was about 2 years older. I just happened to look outside and saw him waist deep in a pond, while the girl stood there laughing at him. When I asked him why he did it, he said she told him to. It never occurred to me that she might have also abused him sexually. I say that because,  several years ago, at a class reunion, I met up with a man, a marine colonel I went to high school with, and we discovered we lived and worked fairly close together. We talked and talked, and some of it was about school days. That was when he told me the following story:

When he was a little boy three girls about his age or a little older took him into the woods, took off their panties, and told him to "do it" to them. He said he didn't understand what they were talking about. I was so surprised, because I knew the girls (they were at the reunion) that I forgot to ask if he told anybody.

All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

Bo D

#117
July 22, 2015, 08:55:39 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 21, 2015, 09:48:35 PM
According to the Duggar girls, they were asleep and never knew anything happened.

Here we go again ... repeat a lie until it becomes the truth.  :rolleyes:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

#118
July 22, 2015, 09:22:12 AM
Quote from: Bo D on July 22, 2015, 08:55:39 AM
Here we go again ... repeat a lie until it becomes the truth.  :rolleyes:

That is what they said!  I watched the interview.....THAT IS WHAT THE GIRLS SAID! How is that a lie?  Just because YOU READ something....I heard it from the sisters MOUTHS on National TV!

DAMN!
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

#119
July 22, 2015, 09:32:35 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2015, 09:22:12 AM
That is what they said!  I watched the interview.....THAT IS WHAT THE GIRLS SAID! How is that a lie?  Just because YOU READ something....I heard it from the sisters MOUTHS on National TV!

DAMN!

Does it matter whose lie it was?
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan
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