Duggar's 19 Kids and Counting Canceled

[me]

Wrong. It isn't always the police taking charges but the victim and no police are involved. Do you just open your mouth and throw crap out and think you are right? You have no clue how things work in other states but you sure make an ass out of yourself constantly. In some states, Kentucky being one of them, a victim or if a minor, the adult can file a report and take charges without ever involving the police. In a case where it is a juvenile doing another juvenile than the victim would take charges with a juvenile worker. A lot of times the law officers are never involved. A juvenile officer then would have to have the charges reviewed by the county attorney who is over juvenile cases to see if probable cause exists. If it does than a letter is sent out to the juvenile and parents or guardian to appear in the juvenile office. If no cause the case is dismissed. The juvenile can bring an attorney and some charges are automatically court bound, sexual charges being one of them. In court, the judge can order counseling for all parties. When the juvenile turns 18 depending on the charge, the charge can be  expunged and the record wiped clean. If the juvenile went through the juvenile office, the charge depending on what it was can be diverted and the charge wiped clean in 6 months. If you think I am lying look it up, in the Kentucky Revised Statute.

Ya, just like the charges in this case were wiped clean. 

[Purplelady1040]

A person can go to a counselor by themselves they don't need a judge to order it. By filing charges all you do is mark the child with molestation for life and put them and the other parties involved through hell in the process.

You don't seem to understand that most people aren't going to go to a counselor at times without being ordered. By the way, a juvenile when 18 in some states can have the charges expunged and not be marked for life. Getting help is not having them marked but if they go without help they may always be marked. What about the hell of someone who refuses to get the help? Then it needs to be ordered and made sure done properly!  Most judges who order counseling seem to be sympathetic to all parties involved and want what is best for all involved. Seeing as I how I know the judges in my town, most want to help the perp and the victim without making it a huge circus event. It is not always hell in the process but then people who don't have friends who work in this field don't know how the process works.

Ya, just like the charges in this case were wiped clean. 

They might be but seeing as it is a sexual offense, I doubt it and that he was an adult when charged. Had he been charged when he was a juvenile than the chances of him getting the charges wiped clean would have been better.

[me]

You don't seem to understand that most people aren't going to go to a counselor at times without being ordered. By the way, a juvenile when 18 in some states can have the charges expunged and not be marked for life. Getting help is not having them marked but if they go without help they may always be marked. What about the hell of someone who refuses to get the help? Then it needs to be ordered and made sure done properly!  Most judges who order counseling seem to be sympathetic to all parties involved and want what is best for all involved. Seeing as I how I know the judges in my town, most want to help the perp and the victim without making it a huge circus event. It is not always hell in the process but then people who don't have friends who work in this field don't know how the process works. They might be but seeing as it is a sexual offense, I doubt it and that he was an adult when charged. Had he been charged when he was a juvenile than the chances of him getting the charges wiped clean would have been better.

Now read very slowly and let this sink in. The parents should take the child to counseling rather than file filing charges and getting the courts involved. If a parent isn't going to take a child to counceling they damn sure aren't going to file charges. By filing charges against the child you could possibly make sex out to be a dirty thing but to take them to counseling, and choosing the counselor wisely, it should be presented to them as something good between two people who love each other and taught how deal with the urges which they are beginning to experience because their harmones are suddenly running wild.

[Purplelady1040]

Now read very slowly and let this sink in. The parents should take the child to counseling rather than file filing charges and getting the courts involved. If a parent isn't going to take a child to counceling they damn sure aren't going to file charges. By filing charges against the child you could possibly make sex out to be a dirty thing but to take them to counseling, and choosing the counselor wisely, it should be presented to them as something good between two people who love each other and taught how deal with the urges which they are beginning to experience because their harmones are suddenly running wild.

Now read very slowly and let this sink in. The parents should take the child to counseling rather than file filing charges and getting the courts involved. If a parent isn't going to take a child to counceling they damn sure aren't going to file charges. By filing charges against the child you could possibly make sex out to be a dirty thing but to take them to counseling, and choosing the counselor wisely, it should be presented to them as something good between two people who love each other and taught how deal with the urges which they are beginning to experience because their harmones are suddenly running wild.

Let this sink in as slowly as possible. Not all parents are going to do that!! A lot of parents will cover it up or say their  kid wouldn't do something like that!  Maybe you should understand if capable that just because charges are filed doesn't mean a bad thing at all for a juvenile. Did you even bother to read that when they turn 18, there is a possibility and a good one at that of having the whole case expunged.  Did you even bother to read that some parents do take charges but most of the time it is the victim and not the law? Taking a kid to counseling and getting the help for them assures that sex isn't a dirty thing but that you don't do that to unwilling subjects! A judge can make sure counseling is happening and taking place!

[me]

Let this sink in as slowly as possible. Not all parents are going to do that!! A lot of parents will cover it up or say their  kid wouldn't do something like that!  Maybe you should understand if capable that just because charges are filed doesn't mean a bad thing at all for a juvenile. Did you even bother to read that when they turn 18, there is a possibility and a good one at that of having the whole case expunged.  Did you even bother to read that some parents do take charges but most of the time it is the victim and not the law? Taking a kid to counseling and getting the help for them assures that sex isn't a dirty thing but that you don't do that to unwilling subjects! A judge can make sure counseling is happening and taking place!

I don't of any parent, other than you, who would file charges on their child rather than take them to counseling. A responsible parent would follow through on the counseling and make sure it is going in the right direction without the court intervening.

[Purplelady1040]

I don't of any parent, other than you, who would file charges on their child rather than take them to counseling. A responsible parent would follow through on the counseling and make sure it is going in the right direction without the court intervening.

Than you don't know very many parents, some parents will take charges but a handful of them will not and won't get the help that the perp needs. Having charges done assures that all parties involved will get help. As responsible parent would take their child to counseling but more often than not, parents will deny or try to cover this up and say it didn't happen and even blame the victim and say it is their fault that this happened. By the way, I said if I caught our child doing this would I either encourage the victim to take charges if not his sister and if it was his sister than I would do what is right! You do realize that in some states that even when reported to a counselor that charges still have to be filed if the victim is a minor. Did I ever say I wouldn't take the child to counseling? No, you just assumed I wouldn't! By the way,you get a 16-17 yar old who refuses to do what a parent says and maybe they aren't left with any alternatives but to file charges and let the court order counseling! The friend of mine who works for the juvenile system told me that parents even take outnof controls on their kids. I thought how ridiculous that a parent can't control  their own kid!
By the way, if a victim files charges there isn't anything a parent can do about it but either do what the juvenile courts say or the juvenile worker decides as a diversion agreement!

[The Troll]

Wrong. It isn't always the police taking charges but the victim and no police are involved. Do you just open your mouth and throw crap out and think you are right? You have no clue how things work in other states but you sure make an ass out of yourself constantly. In some states, Kentucky being one of them, a victim or if a minor, the adult can file a report and take charges without ever involving the police. In a case where it is a juvenile doing another juvenile than the victim would take charges with a juvenile worker. A lot of times the law officers are never involved. A juvenile officer then would have to have the charges reviewed by the county attorney who is over juvenile cases to see if probable cause exists. If it does than a letter is sent out to the juvenile and parents or guardian to appear in the juvenile office. If no cause the case is dismissed. The juvenile can bring an attorney and some charges are automatically court bound, sexual charges being one of them. In court, the judge can order counseling for all parties. When the juvenile turns 18 depending on the charge, the charge can be  expunged and the record wiped clean. If the juvenile went through the juvenile office, the charge depending on what it was can be diverted and the charge wiped clean in 6 months. If you think I am lying look it up, in the Kentucky Revised Statute.

  Old woman, I can see why you would turn one of your boys into the criminal system.    You didn't give birth to them and you never bonded like a real mother does.  Real bonded mothers would never give up their boys for something that can be solved on their own.  I never gave birth to my son, but I would never give him up to some half ass judge and the criminal system.  You have to be out of your mind and simply just crazy.   

  If my son was a  terrorist, a murderer, a drug dealer I would turn him in a minute.     But to turn him for trying to find out what a girl's ***** looks like or what her breast looks and feels like, no way.  I think all young boys and young girl experiment in trying to find out what the other sex looks like.     Old woman, you're just plain crazy, head banging crazy. 

[Purplelady1040]

  Old woman, I can see why you would turn one of your boys into the criminal system.    You didn't give birth to them and you never bonded like a real mother does.  Real bonded mothers would never give up their boys for something that can be solved on their own.  I never gave birth to my son, but I would never give him up to some half ass judge and the criminal system.  You have to be out of your mind and simply just crazy.   

  If my son was a  terrorist, a murderer, a drug dealer I would turn him in a minute.     But to turn him for trying to find out what a girl's ***** looks like or what her breast looks and feels like, no way.  I think all young boys and young girl experiment in trying to find out what the other sex looks like.     Old woman, you're just plain crazy, head banging crazy.  :wall;

You are way out of  line with your comment about bonding but what can I expect from someone like you! You probably think its the girl or even in some cases the boy's fault that they sexually abuse soemone who has not gave them permission to do so! It is like a woman saying no, no means no and someone has to protect the ones not capable of protecting themselves! I am sure you probably think it is okay to abuse a man or a woman!  You are a sick man! You obviously didn't even bother to read what Kentucky does with juveniles when they are charged with anything and just assume that all of them go in front of a judge! Once again, you are making the normal ass out of yourself! Why don't you try reading and learning instead of being the know it all nothing!

[The Troll]

You are way out of  line with your comment about bonding but what can I expect from someone like you! You probably think its the girl or even in some cases the boy's fault that they sexually abuse soemone who has not gave them permission to do so! It is like a woman saying no, no means no and someone has to protect the ones not capable of protecting themselves! I am sure you probably think it is okay to abuse a man or a woman!  You are a sick man! You obviously didn't even bother to read what Kentucky does with juveniles when they are charged with anything and just assume that all of them go in front of a judge! Once again, you are making the normal ass out of yourself! Why don't you try reading and learning instead of being the know it all nothing!

Why should I read anything about Kentucky.    After what you people voted in to the congress of the United States of America.  You an old jokers. 

[Purplelady1040]

Why should I read anything about Kentucky.    After what you people voted in to the congress of the United States of America.  You an old jokers. 

Because you seem to think that the laws are screwed up.  I also bet Indiana has similar laws regarding juveniles. You do realize that some counselors are bound by law to report sexual abuse to the authorities. By the way, I didn't vote for those in Congress. I don't vote for those who want to be career politicians! But that's okay, you just assume that I did and we all know what assume means. You are good at making an ass out of yourself!

[The Troll]

Because you seem to think that the laws are screwed up.  I also bet Indiana has similar laws regarding juveniles. You do realize that some counselors are bound by law to report sexual abuse to the authorities. By the way, I didn't vote for those in Congress. I don't vote for those who want to be career politicians! But that's okay, you just assume that I did and we all know what assume means. You are good at making an ass out of yourself!

  Thank you for reaffirming that I am an ass.  The feeling I get from being an ass to you is wonderful.

  But I must say we have one of the most fucked up criminal justice system in the world.  When a person can be sent to  prison for life for smoking pot.  Sent to prison for life for none violent crimes.     We have more people in jail than any country in the world, including China.      Costing the taxpayers $30,000 to $40,000 a  year to keep each one of them there.  Free food, free bed, free medical and this is what you call a fair and true justice.

  Over 18 men were released from death row in Illinois because of faulty criminal justice system.  The men were found innocent, because of fucked up cops, lawyers, prosecutors and judges and most of all fucked up juries.  Give me a break Old and Ugly Woman.     

[Purplelady1040]

  Thank you for reaffirming that I am an ass.  The feeling I get from being an ass to you is wonderful.

  But I must say we have one of the most fucked up criminal justice system in the world.  When a person can be sent to  prison for life for smoking pot.  Sent to prison for life for none violent crimes.     We have more people in jail than any country in the world, including China.      Costing the taxpayers $30,000 to $40,000 a  year to keep each one of them there.  Free food, free bed, free medical and this is what you call a fair and true justice.

  Over 18 men were released from death row in Illinois because of faulty criminal justice system.  The men were found innocent, because of fucked up cops, lawyers, prosecutors and judges and most of all fucked up juries.  Give me a break Old and Ugly Woman.     

Did I say that I thought the laws were fair? No, I didn't! But at least we live in a free country basically which is more than other countries and I am betting in those other countries, they wouldn't even release those who are innocent!

[The Troll]

Did I say that I thought the laws were fair? No, I didn't! But at least we live in a free country basically which is more than other countries and I am betting in those other countries, they wouldn't even release those who are innocent!

   Are you saying that England, France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Japan, Finland, Spain and many more countries don't release their prisoners.   

[Purplelady1040]

   Are you saying that England, France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Japan, Finland, Spain and many more countries don't release their prisoners.   

No, I imagine that some of those countries may not release if a person is innocent. You really need to learn how other countries are with prisoners! Not all countries will even believe DNA and facts that some people are innocent.  I know that some countries such as Russia and those around Russia tend to not believe people who are innocent.

[AbbyTC]

  If my son was a  terrorist, a murderer, a drug dealer I would turn him in a minute.     But to turn him for trying to find out what a girl's ***** looks like or what her breast looks and feels like, no way.  I think all young boys and young girl experiment in trying to find out what the other sex looks like.     Old woman, you're just plain crazy, head banging crazy. 

Are you fucking serious?  He's not trying to find out what a girl's ***** looks like or what her breasts look and feel like.  It's about power over the girl and sexually abusing her.  Experimenting is consensual.  Abuse is not.  There doesn't need to be sex in order for it to be abuse.  The Duggar girls made light a very serious situation by excusing his behavior and saying that all he did was touch them over their clothes.  It doesn't matter, it's still abuse, not experimentation.