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Started by Exterminator, March 10, 2015, 09:21:22 AM

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Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Palehorse

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That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Exterminator

Quote from: Palehorse on March 10, 2015, 12:15:43 PM
Fucking treasonous traitors! They all need to be executed!  :mad:

Yep!
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on March 10, 2015, 12:15:43 PM
Fucking treasonous traitors! They all need to be executed!  :mad:

Start with the White House, then we will talk.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

Dr. Zarif`s Response to the Letter of US Senators

Asked about the open letter of 47 US Senators to Iranian leaders, the Iranian Foreign Minister, Dr. Javad Zarif, responded that "in our view, this letter has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy.  It is very interesting that while negotiations are still in progress and while no agreement has been reached, some political pressure groups are so afraid even of the prospect of an agreement that they resort to unconventional methods, unprecedented in diplomatic history.  This indicates that like Netanyahu, who considers peace as an existential threat, some are opposed to any agreement, regardless of its content.

Zarif expressed astonishment that some members of US Congress find it appropriate to write to leaders of another country against their own President and administration. He pointed out that from reading the open letter, it seems that the authors not only do not understand international law, but are not fully cognizant of the nuances of their own Constitution when it comes to presidential powers in the conduct of foreign policy.

Foreign Minister Zarif added that "I should bring one important point to the attention of the authors and that is, the world is not the United States, and the conduct of inter-state relations is governed by international law, and not by US domestic law. The authors may not fully understand that in international law, governments represent the entirety of their respective states, are responsible for the conduct of foreign affairs, are required to fulfil the obligations they undertake with other states and may not invoke their internal law as justification for failure to perform their international obligations.

The Iranian Foreign Minister added that "Change of administration does not in any way relieve the next administration from international obligations undertaken by its predecessor in a possible agreement about Iran`s peaceful nuclear program." He continued "I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with the stroke of a pen, as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law.

He emphasized that if the current negotiation with P5+1 result in a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, it will not be a bilateral agreement between Iran and the US, but rather one that will be concluded with the participation of five other countries, including all permanent members of the Security Council, and will also be endorsed by a Security Council resolution.

Zarif expressed the hope that his comments "may enrich the knowledge of the authors to recognize that according to international law, Congress may not modify the terms of the agreement at any time as they claim, and if Congress adopts any measure to impede its implementation, it will have committed a material breach of US obligations.

The Foreign Minister also informed the authors that majority of US international agreements in recent decades are in fact what the signatories describe as "mere executive agreements" and not treaties ratified by the Senate.

He reminded them that "their letter in fact undermines the credibility of thousands of such mere executive agreements that have been or will be entered into by the US with various other governments.

Zarif concluded by stating that "the Islamic Republic of Iran has entered these negotiations in good faith and with the political will to reach an agreement, and it is imperative for our counterparts to prove similar good faith and political will in order to make an agreement possible."


Iranian Ministry of Foreign Relations
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

^^

It's pretty fucking embarrassing when the Iranian Foreign Minister has to school a bunch of dumbass fucking Republican senators about the U.S. Constitution and International Law. 

:mad:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Bo D

Quote from: Locutus on March 10, 2015, 04:07:53 PM
^^

It's pretty fucking embarrassing when the Iranian Foreign Minister has to school a bunch of dumbass fucking Republican senators about the U.S. Constitution and International Law. 

:mad:

Especially about the Constitution!
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on March 10, 2015, 04:07:53 PM
^^

It's pretty fucking embarrassing when the Iranian Foreign Minister has to school a bunch of dumbass fucking Republican senators about the U.S. Constitution and International Law. 

:mad:

Seriously?  You are taking the word of the PM of a State Sponsored of Terrorism (According to the U.S. Dept of State:rolleyes:   

Did you actually READ the letter written by the Senators?

They simply told the truth.  PERIOD.  Nothing in it is a wrong or misleading.  Stepping out of bounds? perhaps....

Yet, the liberals will BASH the PM of Israel...and praise the PM of Iran!?!   :confused: :rolleyes:   Really?  There IS something wrong and misleading about that... ;) :yes:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 10, 2015, 04:45:29 PM
Seriously?  You are taking the word of the PM of a State Sponsored of Terrorism (According to the U.S. Dept of State:rolleyes:   



No. I'm just reading the Constitution of the United States.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Locutus

Quote from: Bo D on March 10, 2015, 05:09:21 PM
No. I'm just reading the Constitution of the United States.

...as am I, as well as SCOTUS rulings that support the position of the president. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 10, 2015, 04:45:29 PM
Seriously?  You are taking the word of the PM of a State Sponsored of Terrorism (According to the U.S. Dept of State:rolleyes:   

Did you actually READ the letter written by the Senators?

They simply told the truth.  PERIOD.  Nothing in it is a wrong or misleading.  Stepping out of bounds? perhaps....

Yet, the liberals will BASH the PM of Israel...and praise the PM of Iran!?!   :confused: :rolleyes:   Really?  There IS something wrong and misleading about that... ;) :yes:

And if you think they told the truth in their letter, then perhaps you need to study up on the Constitution, previous SCOTUS rulings on this subject, and international law, just as much as that bunch of Republican jackass Senators do.   
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Palehorse

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 10, 2015, 04:45:29 PM
Seriously?  You are taking the word of the PM of a State Sponsored of Terrorism (According to the U.S. Dept of State:rolleyes:   

Did you actually READ the letter written by the Senators?

They simply told the truth.  PERIOD.  Nothing in it is a wrong or misleading.  Stepping out of bounds? perhaps....

. . .

They are undermining the office of the President of the United States of America, and going directly against the oath of office to which they swore; specifically the part about upholding the Constitution of the United States of America. Both acts are treasonous. It is just that simple.

R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

me

He goes around congress and shouldn't so what's the difference? Shouldn't they both involve the other one equally? He is not even listening to his advisors on these negotiations because he, with no experience what-so-ever, thinks he knows best and is going it alone. He won't even listen to the people most closely involved who know more than he ever hopes to know about the situation and how ISIS will react to his "treaty".
Trump 2020

me

This isn't anything the Dems haven't done. Of course ya'll forget about that huh?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-04-04-pelosi-syria_N.htm
Trump 2020

Exterminator

Why doesn't it surprise me that our forum's resident fucking morons don't understand why it's wrong for a large contingent of the U.S. Senate to directly undermine the authority of the office of the President Of The United States to a foreign government with which we have an adversarial relationship?

Congratulations, idiots; our entire nation now looks like fools the the rest of the world but you don't fucking care; do you?  No, because like those senators, your hatred of Obama is far more important to you than what is good for this country.  Treasonous scum bags...
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.