Indiana's Religious Freedom Legislation

[Bo D]

AGAIN, like most of the left, you are just flat out getting it WRONG.  NOBODY is saying, they cannot refuse to serve someone. 

But the pizza joint did just that! By saying they would refuse to cater a gay wedding, they were saying they would refuse to serve gays as a regular course of their business.

[Exterminator]

When are you people going to understand that we have no problem with your right to practice whatever religion you choose as long as you don't discriminate against those who disagree with your choice in the public arena?

Never because as Y points out, these people are ideologues who want nothing more than to impose their version of Sharia law onto the rest of society.  They are no less radical or less dangerous to a free society than the Muslims they constantly seek to demonize.  In fact, both seek to marginalize many of the same groups of people for exactly the same reasons.

[Henry Hawk]

But the pizza joint did just that! By saying they would refuse to cater a gay wedding, they were saying they would refuse to serve gays as a regular course of their business.

The were willing to make the cakes, just not participate in the wedding service.

NOW!  The whole thing with ALL Of this is nothing but political BS.

It sucks that some gay couple decided to pick on a particular florist or or caterer....I'm SURE they knew damn well they were Christian, and wanted to make this a movement for the gay community.  They could have easily found a gay florist or caterer, RIGHT?  but NO.  Lets make this a legal issue.  Lets sue a small Christian businessman just to make a point.

Again, NOBODY so far, has said a gay couple couldn't buy any cake from anybody or whatever they wanted to buy.......THAT is discrimination.  Forcing someone to ATTEND a Service, THAT would be merely being an ass!  Just for legal ramifications.
THAT is what this is ALL about!

[Henry Hawk]

Never because as Y points out, these people are ideologues who want nothing more than to impose their version of Sharia law onto the rest of society.  They are no less radical or less dangerous to a free society than the Muslims they constantly seek to demonize.  In fact, both seek to marginalize many of the same groups of people for exactly the same reasons.

BULLSHIT!

[Exterminator]

BULLSHIT!

Nope; absolute fact!  You're just like them...be proud!   

[Bo D]

The were willing to make the cakes, just not participate in the wedding service.

I have attended a TON of weddings and I don't recall EVER seeing a caterer participating in the wedding service. Maybe I'm wrong but doesn't a caterer usually cater the reception AFTER the service?

[Exterminator]

The were willing to make the cakes, just not participate in the wedding service.

Participate how?  How does a baker normally "participate" in a wedding beyond simply making the cake?  You're either a complete idiot or lying out of your ass about the original intent of this legislation (or both, which is the most likely answer).

[Exterminator]

It seems to fit your idea of refusing service to sinners who don't practice your brand of beliefs.

Which are quite the hodge podge considering how they pick and choose which parts of the bible are convenient to them.

[Henry Hawk]

I have attended a TON of weddings and I don't recall EVER seeing a caterer participating in the wedding service. Maybe I'm wrong but doesn't a caterer usually cater the reception AFTER the service?

What difference does it make?

[Exterminator]

What difference does it make?

Uh...it speak directly to this?

The were willing to make the cakes, just not participate in the wedding service.

[Bo D]

What difference does it make?

It makes all the difference in the world. The service/ceremony seems to be your sticking point here. But the reception is the PARTY AFTER the service.

Let me ask you this, should the pizza joint be able to refuse catering a gay Super Bowl party?

It's looking more and more like you think they have a right just to refuse service (a catering service) to a party.

[Henry Hawk]

It makes all the difference in the world. The service/ceremony seems to be your sticking point here. But the reception is the PARTY AFTER the service.

Let me ask you this, should the pizza joint be able to refuse catering a gay Super Bowl party?

It's looking more and more like you think they have a right just to refuse service (a catering service) to a party.

I think exactly that,  if a company does not feel comfortable servicing a gay party, they absolutely should have that right to refuse.  I think our FREE MARKET would decide if these guys are being assholes or truly feel uncomfortable (due to religious reasons)....If they are being assholes about it, then people could quit utilizing them....it would be bad for their business.

I only think this is being a problem, because of hypothetical situations are being asked, and people are answering honestly.  The case of the Gay couple and the florist, the gay couple found a company to do their wedding, then they sued the company that didn't want too.  All for political reasons.

[Bo D]

I think exactly that,  if a company does not feel comfortable servicing a gay/black/Irish/(choose your bigotry) party, they absolutely should have that right to refuse. 

The truth finally surfaces.

[Exterminator]

What if my religion is assholism?   

[Henry Hawk]

The truth finally surfaces.

We are strictly talking religion Bo.....the law say you MUST demonstrate that serving a gay wedding would "substantially burden" his/her religious beliefs, and that his/her beliefs are sincere.  You have to have a strong doctrine to even win this.  You cannot just make up a religion and expect a judge to side with you. This law gives the judge the flexibility to utilize common sense. So people cannot abuse it, but at the same time, not be forced to do something that CLEARLY violates his/her religious beliefs.

This is so simple.