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Indiana's Religious Freedom Legislation

Started by Palehorse, March 16, 2015, 06:04:18 PM

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Quote from: Bo D on April 03, 2015, 04:46:34 PM
Did they even serve beer there? Who could eat pizza without beer?  :spooked:
Me 'cause I don't like beer.  :razz:
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Y on April 03, 2015, 05:15:21 PM
That's NOT the 'truth'.  It's simply something those associated with that nutcase Glen Beck spewed on the Go Fund Me site.  There are no facts, links to facts, etc. supporting ANY of those claims being made about the incident.

Your doing that just proves exactly what I pointed out, you can't think and you just parrot others RW tripe...but you have to have a real functioning brain to understand that.
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Wow, there is no sense discussing anything with you!  You are so biased you make shit up to suit your logic!  If you don't want to believe something you blame it on a rw source a laugh it off.

This is exactly why I stopped discussing with you a while ago.
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Quote from: Y on April 03, 2015, 06:30:49 PM
GAWD!  You don't have a clue!  It's not the same.  Do some actual, and non-self serving research.
Oh that's right I forgot, black people aren't racist. How silly of me. I guess that would make them the true christians. Well, either that or they're all white supremists, bigots, and whatever you tagged the white religions as being too or they're just traitors to their race.
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Quote from: me on April 03, 2015, 06:41:37 PM
Oh that's right I forgot, black people aren't racist. How silly of me. I guess that would make them the true christians. Well, either that or they're all white supremists, bigots, and whatever you tagged the white religions as being too they're just traitors to their race.

See, and THAT's not the same thing as the other thing that wasn't the same thing!   :biggrin:

You just ramble on.
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"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

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Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 03, 2015, 06:37:22 PM
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Wow, there is no sense discussing anything with you!  You are so biased you make shit up to suit your logic!  If you don't want to believe something you blame it on a rw source a laugh it off.

This is exactly why I stopped discussing with you a while ago.

Where are those facts and links to facts from that GFM garbage?  Anyone? Anyone? 

It's not a RW source?!?!?!?

Hank, you forget I've known you for years.  You parrot, you regurgitate, you don't discuss/debate.  You can't.  That's why you don't respond.  I've torn your C/P RW propaganda apart for years, and you wind up with this same impotent response.

And that's exactly what's happened here again.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Henry Hawk

Complete bullshit y, I have delivered stellar responses with links to support my stance and every time you ALWAYS come back with this very shit you are saying right now!

You think you are clever but you are just rude and nasty with horrible debating skills.  You try to bully your way to victory.  It don't work with me.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

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Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 03, 2015, 07:55:45 PM
Complete bullshit y, I have delivered stellar responses with links to support my stance and every time you ALWAYS come back with this very shit you are saying right now!

You think you are clever but you are just rude and nasty with horrible debating skills.  You try to bully your way to victory.  It don't work with me.

Don't you believe you'll go to Hell for lying, because you're flat out lying there.

You regurgitate/parrot/Cut & Paste garbage from your RW mouthpieces and call it 'stellar responses'. 

Because you have no conception of actual evidence, facts, and logic you simply resort to claiming you've done something you can't do - provide any cogent response - which is why you've always resorted to whining.

And again, your response - which lacks even the pretense of answering the points I made or providing the evidence for your GFM parroting - proves your complete inability to provide any substantive debate/discussion or any sign of intelligence.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Y on April 03, 2015, 08:54:13 PM
Don't you believe you'll go to Hell for lying, because you're flat out lying there.

You regurgitate/parrot/Cut & Paste garbage from your RW mouthpieces and call it 'stellar responses'. 

Because you have no conception of actual evidence, facts, and logic you simply resort to claiming you've done something you can't do - provide any cogent response - which is why you've always resorted to whining.

And again, your response - which lacks even the pretense of answering the points I made or providing the evidence for your GFM parroting - proves your complete inability to provide any substantive debate/discussion or any sign of intelligence.

Boom, there it is!
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

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Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 03, 2015, 09:08:42 PM
Boom, there it is!

:confused:

Boom?  There what is?

HH, I don't want to get too involved in the personal spat between you and Y, but don't you see that when you respond in that manner to a post that he has made, that you're proving the very things he's saying about you? 
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Palehorse

Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 03, 2015, 03:54:08 PM
$764,812 of $200k     Raised by 26,257 people in 1 day       

You want to know the ironic thing about this?

These people are raising all of this money for two people who say they were injured over expressing their position siding with a piece of nefarious legislation designed by a nefarious government.

That same government will take 49% of the total sum raised in taxation of same, so they're funding the federal opposition at almost the same rate as they are these two people. (I believe the state of Indiana will take 2% as well, unless of course they claim it as their "injured business entity" in which case they will tax it at a higher rate).  :biggrin:
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on April 03, 2015, 09:16:34 PM
:confused:

Boom?  There what is?

HH, I don't want to get too involved in the personal spat between you and Y, but don't you see that when you respond in that manner to a post that he has made, that you're proving the very things he's saying about you? 
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I said exactly what I meant to say, and I figured my buds on here to pretty much respond as you just did.  That is how you guys roll on the left. 
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 03, 2015, 09:37:09 PM
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I said exactly what I meant to say, and I figured my buds on here to pretty much respond as you just did.  That is how you guys roll on the left. 

I don't know what that means. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

Quote from: Palehorse on April 03, 2015, 09:29:10 PM
You want to know the ironic thing about this?

These people are raising all of this money for two people who say they were injured over expressing their position siding with a piece of nefarious legislation designed by a nefarious government.

That same government will take 49% of the total sum raised in taxation of same, so they're funding the federal opposition at almost the same rate as they are these two people. (I believe the state of Indiana will take 2% as well, unless of course they claim it as their "injured business entity" in which case they will tax it at a higher rate).  :biggrin:

It's also minus 7.9% in transaction fees, plus 30 cents per donation.  The donation window has closed now, BTW.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

The IRS and the State of Indiana are after the initial fees, so:

Total donations:                  $842,387.00
7.9 % fees:                       ($66,548.57)
30 cents each donation:     ($8,748.00)

Net before taxes:                $767,090.43
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

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Quote from: Y on April 03, 2015, 04:12:38 PM
I suspect you're either misquoting what the attorney actually said, you didn't understand it, or you're lying.  There wouldn't be much of an onus of 'proof' placed on the business.  You should know that because people against this bigoted and racist legislation have been trumpeting from the rooftops from the beginning.

Besides religion being goofy from the get go, there are some REALLY crazy religions and beliefs out there, of which even yours, Protestant X-tianity, has PLENTY to go around.  But anyway, here's just one example that uses racism.  Don't let that throw you off though because it's DIRECTLY applicable to homosexuality and a host of other human peccadilloes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

Christian Identity (also known as Identity Christianity) refers to a wide variety of loosely affiliated believers and churches with a white supremacist theology.[1][2] Most promote a racist interpretation of Christianity.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/christian-identity/religion-white-racists.html

Christian Identity:
A Religion for White Racists

"Christian Identity" is the name of a religious movement uniting many of the white supremacist groups in the United States. Identity's teachers promote racism and sometimes violence.


Unless there is an existing overriding statute which absolutely precludes such discrimination, a member of that 'religion' owning a business could easily hide behind that type of BS 'religious freedom' legislation just like your run of the mill gay hating xtian can hide behind it.  Most of you oddball Protestant sects ascribe to homosexual bigotry.

Quote from: me on April 03, 2015, 06:28:33 PM
Why did you fail to mention the Rev Wright whoes church preaches against the white race? I guess you could be onto something there but it must run both ways.
Quote from: Y on April 03, 2015, 06:30:49 PM
GAWD!  You don't have a clue!  It's not the same.  Do some actual, and non-self serving research.
Quote from: me on April 03, 2015, 06:41:37 PM
Oh that's right I forgot, black people aren't racist. How silly of me. I guess that would make them the true christians. Well, either that or they're all white supremists, bigots, and whatever you tagged the white religions as being too or they're just traitors to their race.
Quote from: Y on April 03, 2015, 07:27:33 PM
See, and THAT's not the same thing as the other thing that wasn't the same thing!   :biggrin:

You just ramble on.
From your post:
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Christian Identity:
A Religion for White Racists

"Christian Identity" is the name of a religious movement uniting many of the white supremacist groups in the United States. Identity's teachers promote racism and sometimes violence.
There are many, probably more, blacks who call themselves christian and are of many different faiths so, according to what you posted, lumped together as you like to do you have to include them which is why I posted what I did. I bolded it for you.
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