Indiana's Religious Freedom Legislation

[Y]

I have asked a lawyer that represents this company about this, he says in order for a religious person can keep from being sued, he must PROVE that it IS a violation of his religious beliefs.  There needs to be doctrine stating the belief, and show that he is practicing said religion.  It still is not a simple person claiming a belief and expect the law to side with them.

And that is the way it should be. That is what separates this bill from discrimination.

I suspect you're either misquoting what the attorney actually said, you didn't understand it, or you're lying.  There wouldn't be much of an onus of 'proof' placed on the business.  You should know that because people against this bigoted and racist legislation have been trumpeting from the rooftops from the beginning.

Besides religion being goofy from the get go, there are some REALLY crazy religions and beliefs out there, of which even yours, Protestant X-tianity, has PLENTY to go around.  But anyway, here's just one example that uses racism.  Don't let that throw you off though because it's DIRECTLY applicable to homosexuality and a host of other human peccadilloes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

Christian Identity (also known as Identity Christianity) refers to a wide variety of loosely affiliated believers and churches with a white supremacist theology.[1][2] Most promote a racist interpretation of Christianity.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/christian-identity/religion-white-racists.html

Christian Identity:
A Religion for White Racists

"Christian Identity" is the name of a religious movement uniting many of the white supremacist groups in the United States. Identity's teachers promote racism and sometimes violence.

Unless there is an existing overriding statute which absolutely precludes such discrimination, a member of that 'religion' owning a business could easily hide behind that type of BS 'religious freedom' legislation just like your run of the mill gay hating xtian can hide behind it.  Most of you oddball Protestant sects ascribe to homosexual bigotry.

[Henry Hawk]

Are you talking to me, or are just talking in general?

Because you speak with so much ignorance it is pitiful.

I don't even know how to respond to most of your rants, because you say something every time that is inaccurate or flat out wrong....or you go off on a tangent that has NOTHING to do with what I was talking about. Just because you speak or write in an intelligent format, I know bullshit when I see it Y.

Y, you are WRONG.  Period.  You don't understand most Christian folks.  You have such a hatred towards them, you have generalized everyone to that group. 

You really have anger issues, and that is very, very obvious.  You mask it by quoting and speaking about subjects you have recently read or just listened to something, but it is INDEED obvious.

It is the same stuff every time you post.   

Other than that, how is life treating you?

[Y]

$764,812 of $200k     Raised by 26,257 people in 1 day       

To tell the truth, who really cares?

There is a point being made by you each time you post that, and it's the same point others have addressed here - you are a bigot/racist supporting other bigots/racists.

Now a point I'll make is that for all the BS you and your RW/TPers, spew about 'personal responsibility', what you really mean is that y'all are for 'personal responsibility' only for others - those outside of your group and supporters.

Another point I'll make is the same for your 'free market' BS.  You only want the 'free market' to work the way YOU want, for YOU.  When it comes down to the real 'free market' making itself known over the bigoted pizza shop owners, then suddenly it's all wrong and to be prevented.

You RW/TPers are nothing if not consistent - consistently self serving and hypocrites.

[Henry Hawk]

To tell the truth, who really cares?

There is a point being made by you each time you post that, and it's the same point others have addressed here - you are a bigot/racist supporting other bigots/racists.

Now a point I'll make is that for all the BS you and your RW/TPers, spew about 'personal responsibility', what you really mean is that y'all are for 'personal responsibility' only for others - those outside of your group and supporters.

Another point I'll make is the same for your 'free market' BS.  You only want the 'free market' to work the way YOU want, for YOU.  When it comes down to the real 'free market' making itself known over the bigoted pizza shop owners, then suddenly it's all wrong and to be prevented.

You RW/TPers are nothing if not consistent - consistently self serving and hypocrites.

You just did it again.  You have NO clue to what real people are thinking and doing. You live in a shoe box. (or may as well).  You live in a world where you sterotype people and that is the way it is. 

You are the very definition of a bigot.

big·ot
ˈbiɡət/
noun
noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots

    a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

That is you to a TEE!

I have NO problems towards Gay people.  You have many issues with those who think differently than you do.  You display it every time you are on here.

[Y]

And speaking of that pizza place and its owners, I suspect there's something fishy about it.

1. In all the clips I've seen of the place, in not one did I see any customers or them doing any business. 

2. I've seen nothing from the police or the media verifying ANY death threats to the owners as the owners have claimed.

3. Without any verified 'death threats', it looks more like they closed the business because they weren't doing business and could use this to milk the situation.

4. Who would want to go to pizza place and get proselytized at anyway?  That doesn't sound like a good business plan.

[Bo D]

And speaking of that pizza place and its owners, I suspect there's something fishy about it.

1. In all the clips I've seen of the place, in not one did I see any customers or them doing any business. 

2. I've seen nothing from the police or the media verifying ANY death threats to the owners as the owners have claimed.

3. Without any verified 'death threats', it looks more like they closed the business because they weren't doing business and could use this to milk the situation.

4. Who would want to go to pizza place and get proselytized at anyway?  That doesn't sound like a good business plan.

Did they even serve beer there? Who could eat pizza without beer? 

[Henry Hawk]

 $786,626 of $200k     Raised by 27,025 people in 1 day

I'm not sure if you even took time to read how this all went down, but here it is if you are interested in the truth....

Religious liberty is under assault in Indiana and that's never been clearer than with the O'Connor family.

When asked by local press the hypothetical question of whether or not they'd prefer to have their family owned business, Memories Pizza, cater a gay wedding, the owner said no citing their own religious beliefs as the reason.

Rather than allowing this family to simply have their opinion, which they were asked to give, outraged people grabbed the torches and began a campaign to destroy this small business in small town Indiana.

All for having an opinion that is rooted in faith.

No one was turned away. No one was discriminated against. It was a hypothetical question asked by a news reporter who had questionable motives to begin with.

After being interviewed by Dana Loesch on her television show on Blaze TV, we learned that the family may never even reopen the doors to their restaurant as the death threats and vicious online reviews continue to pour in from the arbiters of "tolerance."

My name is Lawrence Jones, and I'm one of the television opinion contributors on Dana's show.

Before the televised interview, producers Rachel, Allison  and George  discussed the situation with Dana, myself and head writer Ben Howe. We all agreed: this family needs help to get through this assault.

So we set up a GoFundMe page with the modest goal of $25,000. The intent was to help the family stave off the burdensome cost of having the media parked out front, activists tearing them down, and no customers coming in.

Our goal was simply to help take one thing off this family's plate as the strangers sought to destroy them.

But other strangers came to the rescue and the total just keeps going up.

Thank you for helping us do some good for this family who were scared and in hiding just 24 hours before this writing.

All money, save whatever percentage GoFundMe takes, will be transferred directly to whichever bank account the O'Connors wish to use.

Show producers are in direct contact with the family to ensure that they never feel like they are being left out of what is going on.

Thank you to everyone for your generosity.

[Henry Hawk]

Did they even serve beer there? Who could eat pizza without beer? 

I don't know the answer that one, but BOY, do I agree with you!  Pizza and Beer is the BEST!

[Y]

You just did it again.  You have NO clue to what real people are thinking and doing. You live in a shoe box. (or may as well).  You live in a world where you sterotype people and that is the way it is. 

You are the very definition of a bigot.

big·ot
ˈbiɡət/
noun
noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots

    a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

That is you to a TEE!

I have NO problems towards Gay people.  You have many issues with those who think differently than you do.  You display it every time you are on here.

First, you'd better get your dictionary out because as usual you toss words around and butcher the language.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

Full Definition of BIGOT
:  a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially :  one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

Bigotry is a state of mind where a person obstinately, irrationally, unfairly or intolerantly dislikes other people, ideas, etc.[1][2] Some examples include personal beliefs, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics.

Secondly, I will admit to having a prejudice against stupidity, pedagogues, ideologues, authoritarians, hypocrites etc. - all those things that seem to run rampant with the RW, religious, sub 100 IQ etc..

Thirdly, if anyone is lost in an insular world, it's you, Hank.  You obviously surround yourself with self affirming people, media, religion etc..

Fourth, not trying to be rude, but you're not very intelligent.  You're good at regurgitation, but real thinking, not.  That's a reason you're stuck parroting your better's RW idiocy.  That's why you can't craft analytical responses and end up with C/P.

[Y]

I'm not sure if you even took time to read how this all went down, but here it is if you are interested in the truth....

That's NOT the 'truth'.  It's simply something those associated with that nutcase Glen Beck spewed on the Go Fund Me site.  There are no facts, links to facts, etc. supporting ANY of those claims being made about the incident.

Your doing that just proves exactly what I pointed out, you can't think and you just parrot others RW tripe...but you have to have a real functioning brain to understand that.

[Y]

Did they even serve beer there? Who could eat pizza without beer? 

I'd think that would be a big resounding NO! 

At least that would have been some sort of real business plan - proselytizing and brew!  I can see the sign now!  Hell, they could market it to the churches!   

[Y]

I'm beginning to suspect this pizza place deal and the results smell of 'astroturfing' in support of this type of discriminatory RW legislation. 

What's better for a cause than a hand picked 'martyr' that doesn't actually lose anything - and may actually gain from the process?

[me]

I suspect you're either misquoting what the attorney actually said, you didn't understand it, or you're lying.  There wouldn't be much of an onus of 'proof' placed on the business.  You should know that because people against this bigoted and racist legislation have been trumpeting from the rooftops from the beginning.

Besides religion being goofy from the get go, there are some REALLY crazy religions and beliefs out there, of which even yours, Protestant X-tianity, has PLENTY to go around.  But anyway, here's just one example that uses racism.  Don't let that throw you off though because it's DIRECTLY applicable to homosexuality and a host of other human peccadilloes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

Christian Identity (also known as Identity Christianity) refers to a wide variety of loosely affiliated believers and churches with a white supremacist theology.[1][2] Most promote a racist interpretation of Christianity.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/christian-identity/religion-white-racists.html

Christian Identity:
A Religion for White Racists

"Christian Identity" is the name of a religious movement uniting many of the white supremacist groups in the United States. Identity's teachers promote racism and sometimes violence.

Unless there is an existing overriding statute which absolutely precludes such discrimination, a member of that 'religion' owning a business could easily hide behind that type of BS 'religious freedom' legislation just like your run of the mill gay hating xtian can hide behind it.  Most of you oddball Protestant sects ascribe to homosexual bigotry.

Why did you fail to mention the Rev Wright whoes church preaches against the white race? I guess you could be onto something there but it must run both ways.

[Y]

But our Constitution says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...are you saying that if you are a Christian you must give up your exercise of faith if you want to own your own business????

That clause does not mean what you think it means.  It is also NOT a license for anything and everything, so yes you must give up your bigoted/racist etc. discriminatory practices once you become the public persona of a business.

I don't know why a xtian would go into business anyway?  Don't you believe in the teachings of Jesus?

Matthew 6:25-27

Do Not Worry
25"For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26"Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? 27"And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life?...

Why do you think the early xtians lived in communes and practiced communal living?  They were - GASP! - COMMUNISTS!

Not like the so called hypocrites that call themselves xtians in this day and age - especially in this country.

[Y]

Why did you fail to mention the Rev Wright whoes church preaches against the white race? I guess you could be onto something there but it must run both ways.

GAWD!  You don't have a clue!  It's not the same.  Do some actual, and non-self serving research.