Indiana's Religious Freedom Legislation

[The Troll]

  All I hope is all of the corporations who spend big money in this state and even the NCAA drops out of this state.  And really stick it in the ass of Pense, the Republican party and the state of Indiana for such a stupid law.      Also Henry, stick the law in your ass, bigot.

[Henry Hawk]

  All I hope is all of the corporations who spend big money in this state and even the NCAA drops out of this state.  And really stick it in the ass of Pense, the Republican party and the state of Indiana for such a stupid law.      Also Henry, stick the law in your ass, bigot.

Just as I figured, you would rather see people hurt and the economy tank, in the name of politics! Typical liberal!

[Palehorse]

http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/US.php?id=11899

This link tells it like it is.  I have never been as adament about an issue, since our liberal media has deliberately got this wrong!

If we lose any business it will have the blood of ignorant fucking liberal media who has lied through their fucking teeth, all in the name of politics!

Well let's just see:

". . .Until yesterday, 19 states and the federal government have these exact same laws on the books, and none of these terrible things that are being said might happen have happened," Fiedorek told EWTN News March 27.. . ."

At a very high level, this is true, however the key difference is that those 19 states used the exact same verbiage as the federal law. . . So the article is based upon fallacy. . .

". . ."The Constitution of the United States and the Indiana Constitution both provide strong recognition of the freedom of religion, but today, many people of faith feel their religious liberty is under attack by government action," Pence said. . . ."

Seriously? Their feelings that their religious liberty is under attack is based upon the fact that government has refused to post the 10 commandments and other religious, specifically Christian, displays within or upon governmental facilities.  Instead of identifying the root cause of the zealots fears, and addressing them via educating them surrounding the constitutionally required separation of church and state, the creation of a law enabling religious based discrimination is done? 

The fact is this law nests quite nicely with Indiana's civil rights law, which outlines and specifies nondiscriminatory requirements surrounding race, religion, creed, etc., but fails to list "sexual orientation" among those aspects one cannot be discriminated due to. So the LGBT community is more than justified to be outraged over this recent legislation, which will almost certainly be used by the conservative religious zealots as a lever to discriminate against them legally.

Of the 19 states previously passing this type of legislation, all of them list "sexual orientation" as an aspect under their civil rights laws. Indiana does not.

Then there is this:

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/paperwork-filed-with-indiana-secretary-of-state-for-first-church-of-cannabis

So now, based upon this states religious restoration act legislation, we see a church of Cannabis applying for recognition. A church that specifically uses weed within it's ceremonies. An act that goes directly against the states laws on the substance. . .

[Exterminator]

If we lose any business it will have the blood of ignorant fucking liberal media who has lied through their fucking teeth, all in the name of politics!

The so-called liberal media wouldn't be talking about this if this stupid and unnecessary legislation hadn't been passed in the first place; now would they?  And how did they lie, exactly?

[me]

Is Indiana's much different than this one?

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/jmd/legacy/2014/07/24/act-pl103-141.pdf

http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/religious-freedom-restoration-act%20/

[Exterminator]

Is Indiana's much different than this one?

It is; google it.

[Exterminator]

And how did they lie, exactly?

Crickets!

[me]

It is; google it.

I did. Read it.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/indianas-religious-freedom-restoration-act-explained_900641.html

https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/senate/568#

Once again. Go to the bottom right, click on Bill version, then click on introduce senate bill (s).  I posted this same thing a few pages back and you obviously didn't see it or ignored it.

[Locutus]

The bottom line is that this type of legislation, regardless of whether it's in Indiana or elsewhere, is simply designed to aid and abet those who want to want to be able to discriminate, and to do it legally.  It allows them to discriminate against whomever they choose, all while hiding behind a cloak of their religious beliefs.  Nothing more; nothing less. 

[me]

The bottom line is that this type of legislation, regardless of whether it's in Indiana or elsewhere, is simply designed to aid and abet those who want to want to be able to discriminate, and to do it legally.  It allows them to discriminate against whomever they choose, all while hiding behind a cloak of their religious beliefs.  Nothing more; nothing less.

Is that what Clinton's bill was too then? Where's the outrage about that one?

[Henry Hawk]

Crickets!

With headlines that Indiana Hates Gays, that they are anti-gay, that this bill allows discrimination (it doesn't and you know it)....it goes on and on and on.  It is just an attack on a bill that supports religious freedom.  Nothing More Nothing Less.  Yet, it is being attacked for MORE than it really is.

[Exterminator]

With headlines that Indiana Hates Gays, that they are anti-gay, that this bill allows discrimination (it doesn't and you know it)....it goes on and on and on.  It is just an attack on a bill that supports religious freedom.  Nothing More Nothing Less.  Yet, it is being attacked for MORE than it really is.

Well, that's absolute bullshit.  You can claim all you want that this law isn't specifically intended to target the LGBT community but that's an outright lie.  Let's use the words of Eric Miller, the Founder and Executive Director of Advance America, who lobbied for the bill and was with Pence at the private signing ceremony; shall we?

"Churches, Christian businesses and individuals deserve protection from those who support homosexual marriages and those who support government recognition and approval of gender identity (men who dress as women). SB 101 will help provide the protection!

Christian bakers, florists and photographers should not be punished for refusing to participate in a homosexual marriage!

A church should not be punished because they refuse to let the church be used for a homosexual wedding!"

I am pretty sure that is the very definition of discrimination.  One Democratic lawmaker even tried to insert an amendment into the bill that specifically stated that it could not be used to discriminate and that amendment was rejected by Republicans.  Why would they do that if the intent was not to do just that?  No, no lies are being told about this bill.  Religious freedom is a long held tenet of our society and was not under attack.  This law is nothing more than a license to discriminate under the guise of religious beliefs.  Nothing more, nothing less.

[Henry Hawk]

No, no lies are being told about this bill.  Religious freedom is a long held tenet of our society and was not under attack.  This law is nothing more than a license to discriminate under the guise of religious beliefs.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Well, millions of folks disagree with you. 

[Exterminator]

Well, millions of folks disagree with you.

No, millions don't...maybe thousands of fat, bald, middle-aged rednecks do.

[Henry Hawk]

No, millions don't...maybe thousands of fat, bald, middle-aged rednecks do.

Nope, Millions.  Millions of everyday, hard-working, good people.  If you think I'm wrong....then prove it.

I can say this.  Exactly 1,264,877 Million of people voted for Mike Pence and several million voted for our state senators and congressmen, and they voted for this bill by a LARGE number.