Indiana's Religious Freedom Legislation

[Exterminator]

The whole thing is a load of crap.

With this, I will agree.  No one has been successfully sued in the state of Indiana for refusing to provide goods and/or services to a gay couple...not once, not now, not ever.  This legislation was entirely unnecessary and serves only to shine a national spotlight on our state as intolerant which, in turn, negatively affects tourism, job growth and revenue.  It causes a lot of damage for nothing.

[Exterminator]

Indiana defines stupidity as religion.

[me]

With this, I will agree.  No one has been successfully sued in the state of Indiana for refusing to provide goods and/or services to a gay couple...not once, not now, not ever.  This legislation was entirely unnecessary and serves only to shine a national spotlight on our state as intolerant which, in turn, negatively affects tourism, job growth and revenue.  It causes a lot of damage for nothing.

It shouldn't though because people should just not patronize those places. The thing is the way things are getting it was just a matter of time before someone did sue so that got nipped in the bud but then the unintended consequences reared it's ugly head. It was a no win situation all the way around. It boils down to poor judgement on the legislative end and stupidity, intolerence, and whining on the other. Unfortunately the entire state may suffer because of it.

[Exterminator]

It shouldn't though because people should just not patronize those places.

And they didn't and that strategy is extremely effective.  Years ago there was a very successful company in the Indianapolis area called Atkins Elegant Desserts.  They made the best cheesecake I have probably ever eaten, versions of which were sold frozen in various grocery stores and they even had a big store on 82nd Street just east of Castleton that was always busy.  I seem to recall that they were even exporting their cheesecakes overseas at some point.  The company still exists but only as a tiny shell of what it once was or could have been, occupying a small, lonely storefront in a strip mall somewhere in Fishers.  Here's what happened to them.

My point, again, is that the market works and people will boycott and take their business elsewhere rather than sue.

[Locutus]

Indiana defines stupidity as religion.

While Pence's action drew the praise of stupid people across America, former Arizona Governor Jan Brewer was not among them. "Even I wasn't dumb enough to sign a bill like that," she said.

 

[Locutus]

^^  You know something's dumb if Jan Brewer is smart enough not to sign it. 

[Exterminator]

Wow!  This is even spilling over into the dog world!

[Exterminator]

^^  You know something's dumb if Jan Brewer is smart enough not to sign it. 

[me]

And they didn't and that strategy is extremely effective.  Years ago there was a very successful company in the Indianapolis area called Atkins Elegant Desserts.  They made the best cheesecake I have probably ever eaten, versions of which were sold frozen in various grocery stores and they even had a big store on 82nd Street just east of Castleton that was always busy.  I seem to recall that they were even exporting their cheesecakes overseas at some point.  The company still exists but only as a tiny shell of what it once was or could have been, occupying a small, lonely storefront in a strip mall somewhere in Fishers.  Here's what happened to them.

My point, again, is that the market works and people will boycott and take their business elsewhere rather than sue.

Wow, that is sad. How can a parent do something like that to their child. Dislike the lifestyle fine but to take it to those extremes is uncalled for. Too bad the friend didn't think to dress in drag and go in as Britany. I may have missed some things 'cause I just skimmed the article it made me so mad but I did get the idea for the most part.

[Palehorse]

1. Yeah, just because Pence 'says' that's 'why' he passed it, but he wouldn't lie nor misrepresent, now would he?   

2. 30?  So what?  Another one of your stupid - and yes I do mean stupid - logical fallacies that I've smacked you around about for years - Appeal to Authority/Popularity.

3. Now let's examine your '30'.  It's not '30', it's actually 19 with actual laws:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/03/01/where-in-the-u-s-are-there-heightened-protections-for-religious-freedom/

...18 of which passed state laws based on the 1993 federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act...



You can even get your BS propaganda down with any accuracy. 

Yes, they are all those things.

Once you decide to enter the public marketplace, you no longer have the same rights and protections you have as a private citizen.  That is a long established legal principle.

If that principle didn't exist, there would be no ability to regulate commerce (remember that phrase?) and people doing business would be able to do anything and everything under the sun - something you and the other RW idjits keep pushing for with your idiotically unsafe and unscrupulous Laissez Faire mentality and legislation - simply to make a dollar.

Therefore, when you enter into business you can expect to be regulated and to act in a legal and socially acceptable manner - no discrimination being one.

If you do not want to abide by that part of the legal/social contract, then DON'T go into business.  Stay a private citizen, work for someone else, and be just as bigoted, racist, and phony 'religious' as you want to be...BUT when you become part of the business community, you have to keep your black-hearted lil' prejudices out of public interaction.

Anyone who doesn't, or can't get that, is exactly as you named above.

Well shit. . . You beat me to it! 

[Henry Hawk]

http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/US.php?id=11899

This link tells it like it is.  I have never been as adament about an issue, since our liberal media has deliberately got this wrong!

If we lose any business it will have the blood of ignorant fucking liberal media who has lied through their fucking teeth, all in the name of politics!

[Locutus]

In your opinion Hank, would it be right for this law to be used to support a Christian policeman who refused to police a mosque?

[Henry Hawk]

In your opinion Hank, would it be right for this law to be used to support a Christian policeman who refused to police a mosque?

The new law does not say that at all.  Prove to me that it does! It clearly doesn't!  It does give the courts to act upon this with common sense.

The police take an oath to defend its citizens when they take the job.  If they have issues, they don't have to take the job.

Did you read the link I posted?

[Locutus]

The new law does not say that at all.  Prove to me that it does! It clearly doesn't!  It does give the courts to act upon this with common sense.

The police take an oath to defend its citizens when they take the job.  If they have issues, they don't have to take the job.

Did you read the link I posted?

I did and I didn't claim the law said that.  I just asked a question. 

Would it be right for a Christian police officer to use this law as a defense for refusal to police a mosque?   

I take it from your answer that you don't think that it should. 

[Henry Hawk]

I did and I didn't claim the law said that.  I just asked a question. 

Would it be right for a Christian police officer to use this law as a defense for refusal to police a mosque?   

I take it from your answer that you don't think that it should. 

No, a cop takes an oath and knows exactly what his job is when he\she signs up.  This law does not open the doors for discrimination, it merely reinforces the federal law that Bill Clinton passed in 1993!