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Indiana's Religious Freedom Legislation

Started by Palehorse, March 16, 2015, 06:04:18 PM

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Henry Hawk

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Henry Hawk

Did anyone of you guys read the links I posted? Did anyone listen to the link where Pence explains why he passed it?  Or have you just done what you accuse me of doing and just parroting what the media is blabbering?

30 states already have this law. None of those states has gone bankrupt or sharia law has been imposed.  It is 100% liberal hyperbole!
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

I haven't  read your link yet Hank, but I intend to.  Believe it or not, I'm still working.  :mad:
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on March 26, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
I haven't  read your link yet Hank, but I intend to.  Believe it or not, I'm still working.  :mad:
Dang! Time to get home and crack open a cold one!  I'm taking a vacation day tomorrow and going to hang with my kids!

Listen to it and let me know what you think.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

I will.

I'm done now.  I'm going to crack a cold one and watch the West Virginia v. Kentucky basketball game here at 9:45 on CBS.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on March 26, 2015, 09:06:48 PM
I will.

I'm done now.  I'm going to crack a cold one and watch the West Virginia v. Kentucky basketball game here at 9:45 on CBS.
Sweet!
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Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

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Locutus

One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

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Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 26, 2015, 08:28:24 PM
Did anyone of you guys read the links I posted? Did anyone listen to the link where Pence explains why he passed it?  Or have you just done what you accuse me of doing and just parroting what the media is blabbering?

30 states already have this law. None of those states has gone bankrupt or sharia law has been imposed.  It is 100% liberal hyperbole!

1. Yeah, just because Pence 'says' that's 'why' he passed it, but he wouldn't lie nor misrepresent, now would he?   :rolleyes:

2. 30?  So what?  Another one of your stupid - and yes I do mean stupid - logical fallacies that I've smacked you around about for years - Appeal to Authority/Popularity.

3. Now let's examine your '30'.  It's not '30', it's actually 19 with actual laws:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/03/01/where-in-the-u-s-are-there-heightened-protections-for-religious-freedom/

...18 of which passed state laws based on the 1993 federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act...



You can even get your BS propaganda down with any accuracy. 

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 26, 2015, 07:13:04 PM
Dumbasses??

Morons??

Really?

You never over react either....it is indeed bookmarked ....

Why is it liberals are so hateful?  You called me a dumbass for what pH?  You honestly think those who disagree are dumbasses?

Like I said, and time will support me on this, it is just liberal hyperbole!

Yes, they are all those things.

Once you decide to enter the public marketplace, you no longer have the same rights and protections you have as a private citizen.  That is a long established legal principle.

If that principle didn't exist, there would be no ability to regulate commerce (remember that phrase?) and people doing business would be able to do anything and everything under the sun - something you and the other RW idjits keep pushing for with your idiotically unsafe and unscrupulous Laissez Faire mentality and legislation - simply to make a dollar.

Therefore, when you enter into business you can expect to be regulated and to act in a legal and socially acceptable manner - no discrimination being one.

If you do not want to abide by that part of the legal/social contract, then DON'T go into business.  Stay a private citizen, work for someone else, and be just as bigoted, racist, and phony 'religious' as you want to be...BUT when you become part of the business community, you have to keep your black-hearted lil' prejudices out of public interaction.

Anyone who doesn't, or can't get that, is exactly as you named above.
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me

Quote from: Palehorse on March 26, 2015, 07:17:07 PM
We'll see what you think when an Indiana, Muslim owned business imposes Sharia Law upon its employees. . .

And when the city of Indianapolis goes bankrupt. . .

When Lucas Oil Stadium is either shuttered or given to the Colts gratis.

When Victory Field is shuttered. . .

This state will indeed lose so much money it may itself go bankrupt over the next decade, as the sparse businesses in this state begin to flee.

*The rest of your post is hyperbole and doesn't rate a response.
If people are that small minded that something like this keeps them away we don't need them here anyway. It's their attitudes that caused the need for this. To sue someone for monetary damages just because your feelings are hurt is ridiculous. Go do your business somewhere else and let them have the money you would have spent in their establishment don't sue them for pete's sake. People are turning into pure ass holes over this kind of crap. Ya'll spend far too much time sweating the small stuff and not seeing what's really going on. Everyone is being pitted against each other worse than I've ever seen it and you know from history what happens then. Think people think.
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Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 26, 2015, 03:59:06 PM
[/i]Here is another case:

These people broke the law in their respective states.  Indiana had no such law to break, ergo, this legislation "fixes" a non-existent problem at a cost of tens of millions of dollars in tourism revenue. 
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

Quote from: me on March 26, 2015, 05:46:36 PM
The people who want everything their way is what I'm referring to whether it be gays, blacks, religious groups, just those groups or people who always have to be whining about their rights but not considering the rights of others.

I would submit that you have just described the very people whose intolerance this law is designed to "protect".  Are the rights of one person selling cupcakes in the city market more important than the rights of everyone else?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 26, 2015, 07:13:04 PM
Like I said, and time will support me on this, it is just liberal hyperbole!

It's not liberal at all and not hyperbole.  A friend of mine with IMPD (who, coincidentally is the cop that shot one of the robbers at the Family Dollar store on the west side last Sunday) who is a staunch, Obama hating conservative was lamenting on his Facebook page yesterday what the loss of revenue means to the much needed increase in head count for that department.  And it is happening now as I pointed out with the Salesforce article I linked to.  When the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation tells the governor that he will decrease his investment in your state should a piece of legislation get signed into law and then immediately acts on that threat, we have moved beyond the realm of hyperbole and into that of reality.  This legislation is already costing not only money but future jobs.  Way to go, Pence!
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 26, 2015, 08:28:24 PM
30 states already have this law. None of those states has gone bankrupt or sharia law has been imposed.

Those laws were passed in the 90's when the public was not so accepting of the LGBT community, when they did not enjoy protected status and when the power of social media had yet to be realized.  Times have changed, perhaps you should change with them.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

Quote from: Exterminator on March 27, 2015, 09:42:07 AM
I would submit that you have just described the very people whose intolerance this law is designed to "protect".  Are the rights of one person selling cupcakes in the city market more important than the rights of everyone else?
Since when is it right to sue someone over hurt feelings for monetary damages? That's what the law is for, to protect people from that happening. Has that law effected the other states that have it in place? I still feel the reason the legislation had to be passed in the first place is just as bad as the legislation. Caterers, photographers, and florists are small businesses not large corporations even though they may be incorporated for insurance and tax reasons. Word of mouth and loss of business is the way to take care of their stupidity not losing everything they have to a whiner who sees it as an opportunity to get rich by suing them because they got their feelings hurt. It's not like there aren't other places to choose from that would be glad for their business not not so narrow minded. If someone is forced to do something against their beliefs and they're small minded the service won't be all that great anyway because the photographer or whoever doesn't want to be there in the first place. The whole thing is a load of crap.
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