Indiana's Religious Freedom Legislation

[Palehorse]

Repugnicans in Indiana passed the religious freedom legislation. . . 

[The Troll]

Repugnicans in Indiana passed the religious freedom legislation. . . 

  God bless us, everyone.               And discriminate.   

[me]

Repugnicans in Indiana passed the religious freedom legislation. . . 

And so? Would you rather see religion supressed?

[Palehorse]

And so? Would you rather see religion supressed?

From our government? HELL YES! *

*-Exactly as our founding fathers intended.

[Y]

Now coming to your Indiana locale - all sorts of discrimination hiding behind the guise of 'religion'.

The Indiana Legislature has passed the fraudulent 'Religious Freedom Restoration Act'.

What an amazing load of horse shit!

[Y]

By yourself, you can be any sort of bigoted, racist, discriminating POS you want to be, BUT when you become a public entity such as a business you do NOT have any right to discriminate according to whatever BS 'religious convictions' you hold dear to your smarmy lil' heart.

Don't like that, work for someone else, don't open a business.

This POC act goes to show what happens when a stupid led-by-the-nose electorate puts a group of genuinely insane RW Toilet Paper Party idiots into power with a super majority.

We get all sort of true anti-American legislation.

[Palehorse]

Legislation and Law are both about enabling behaviors you deem desirable and punishing those deemed undesirable.

This piece of crap legislation is doing nothing but enabling discriminatory practices; period.

I did see one sign posted by a business owner that said, "I reserve the right to NOT serve any member of congressional representation that voted for the Religious Freedom Act."

I think that is EXACTLY what every single business in the state should do; refuse to serve these surly ass-hats and let them see the results of their asinine legislation. 

[me]

I think maybe I need to either have this explained to me or go read it because it seems as though it was passed to prevent non religious people, such as myself or an athiest, from discriminating against someone who happens to be religious. In other words they have as much right to their religion as I have to not be religious. Am I misunderstanding because of the threads subject? (Indiana's Religious Freedom Legislation)

[Locutus]

I haven't read the legislation myself, but typically when you have laws with names like "Religious Freedom Legislation," or in Indiana's case, "Religious Freedom Restoration Act," all the laws are really designed to do is codify  the right for one group to discriminate against others based on their religious beliefs.  There's really nothing religious about them at all. 

[Henry Hawk]

 Okay, I'm going to weigh in my thoughts on this.  First of all, it is a shame that we need this law.  I 100% believe that any owner should have the right to sell what he wants to whoever he wants.  This is indeed a free country, and I despise the fact we have to have laws saying one way or the other.  I think in a perfect world, if a group deliberately discriminated against a group for hateful reasons, then word would get out, and business would SUCK for said group.  Free enterprise is important, the more it is tampered with, the more of our personal freedoms are being crapped away.

I think if a business is against gay marriage, due to religious or ANY reason, they should be able to make up their own mind to accept or decline this customer.  THAT is called freedom.  BUT, there should be ramifications to their actions, and if enough people decided NOT to support that particular business because they feel they are being discriminating then so be it.  It would behoove a business to accommodate everyone, unless it is a deeply religious reason for them to accept the consequences of their actions.

Therefore I think this is a good law, and let's let the law of nature handle these actions.  This is NOT the 50's or 60's....I think we are past those days of racially discriminating. 
That is my personal belief.

[me]

Senate Bill 568

Introduced Senate Bill (S)
Authored by

    Sen. Scott Schneider,
    Sen. Dennis Kruse,
    Sen. Brent Steele.

Co-Authored by

    Sen. Carlin Yoder,
    Sen. James Buck,
    Sen. Amanda Banks,
    Sen. Liz Brown,
    Sen. James Smith,
    Sen. James Tomes,
    Sen. Greg Walker,
    Sen. Brent Waltz,
    Sen. Jean Leising.

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DIGEST
Religious freedom restoration act. Provides that a state or local government action may not substantially burden a person's right to the exercise of religion unless it is demonstrated that applying the burden to the person's exercise of religion is: (1) essential to further a compelling governmental interest; and (2) the least restrictive means of furthering the compelling governmental interest. Provides that a person whose exercise of religion has been substantially burdened, or is likely to be substantially burdened, by a state or local government action may assert the burden as a claim or defense in a judicial proceeding, regardless of whether the state or a political subdivision of the state is a party to the judicial proceeding. Allows a person who asserts a burden as a claim or defense to obtain appropriate relief, including: (1) injunctive relief; (2) declaratory relief; (3) compensatory damages; and (4) recovery of court costs and reasonable attorney's fees

https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/senate/568#    Click Bill versions at on the lower left and then introduce senate bill to see the entire bill. 

[Y]

Okay, I'm going to weigh in my thoughts on this.  First of all, it is a shame that we need this law.  I 100% believe that any owner should have the right to sell what he wants to whoever he wants.  This is indeed a free country, and I despise the fact we have to have laws saying one way or the other.  I think in a perfect world, if a group deliberately discriminated against a group for hateful reasons, then word would get out, and business would SUCK for said group.  Free enterprise is important, the more it is tampered with, the more of our personal freedoms are being crapped away.

I think if a business is against gay marriage, due to religious or ANY reason, they should be able to make up their own mind to accept or decline this customer.  THAT is called freedom.  BUT, there should be ramifications to their actions, and if enough people decided NOT to support that particular business because they feel they are being discriminating then so be it.  It would behoove a business to accommodate everyone, unless it is a deeply religious reason for them to accept the consequences of their actions.

Therefore I think this is a good law, and let's let the law of nature handle these actions.  This is NOT the 50's or 60's....I think we are past those days of racially discriminating. 
That is my personal belief.

Good grief!

1. A resounding NO!  Once you open yourself up as a PUBLIC concern, i.e.: a business, you NO LONGER have the right to push your bigoted, racist, authoritarian, phony 'religious BS onto the PUBLIC!

This silly arse 'religious' BS is NO different than that old racist BS of "you can't sit at our counter" or "you can't use this restroom" etc. because you're BLACK! 

All that's being done here is to try and give you bigots and racists a 'religious' excuse to foist your bigotry and racism onto the PUBLIC by trying to give it a 'palatable' front that the idiots will swallow.

It's disgusting to the core and just shows exactly how evil you folks are deep down in your black lil' hearts.

2. Your stupid concept of 'free enterprise' is just as phony as your BS 'religious' excuse.  It's simply a front to legitimize your bigotry, racism, and authoritarianism all while being able to exploit both the public and the work force.

Your 'free enterprise' is simply the dictatorship of the Haves - capitalistic servitude.  It's a worse evil than those 'evils' you claim of socialism and communism because it portrays itself as something completely other than it is, and serving others than it actually does.

3. That's pure unadulterated BS!  Simply look at this law, the fight against gay marriage, the constant unwarranted attacks on Obama, his wife, his children, and other blacks in this administration, not to mention the attitudes displayed against Ferguson residents ad infinitum.  Bigotry and racism are alive and well...and unfortunately doing fine.

[Henry Hawk]

WOW!! 

I'm not a all surprised, but you REALLY are full of sh!t!!!   

Seriously...    You ARE!!   

[me]

Good grief!

1. A resounding NO!  Once you open yourself up as a PUBLIC concern, i.e.: a business, you NO LONGER have the right to push your bigoted, racist, authoritarian, phony 'religious BS onto the PUBLIC!

This silly arse 'religious' BS is NO different than that old racist BS of "you can't sit at our counter" or "you can't use this restroom" etc. because you're BLACK! 

All that's being done here is to try and give you bigots and racists a 'religious' excuse to foist your bigotry and racism onto the PUBLIC by trying to give it a 'palatable' front that the idiots will swallow.

It's disgusting to the core and just shows exactly how evil you folks are deep down in your black lil' hearts.

2. Your stupid concept of 'free enterprise' is just as phony as your BS 'religious' excuse.  It's simply a front to legitimize your bigotry, racism, and authoritarianism all while being able to exploit both the public and the work force.

Your 'free enterprise' is simply the dictatorship of haves - capitalistic servitude.  It's a worse evil than those 'evils' you claim of socialism and communism because it portrays itself as something completely other than it is, and serving others than it actually does.

I don't see a thing in the bill about businesses.

[Y]

WOW!! 

I'm not a all surprised, but you REALLY are full of sh!t!!!   

Seriously...    You ARE!!   

Face it, Hank, you're an idiot.

Once again you talk shite when you don't have a leg to stand on.

Show us the legal or constitutional basis for your stupid BS.

Just to point out your hypocrisy, all it would take would be for some stupid 'religious' nut(s) to decide it's against his/her/their 'religion' to do business with bald, near-sighted, dumpy, white guys like you - business you need - and you'd be cryin' and howlin' all the way to the moon.

You're such a hypocrite...as well as a bigot and racist.