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Started by Palehorse, November 25, 2014, 04:13:21 PM

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The Troll

Quote from: Palehorse on December 10, 2014, 08:38:11 PM
This sounds strangely like my 3 year old grandson when I catch him with his hands in the cookie jar and Oreo all over his face!  :haha:

By the way. . . wasn't one of them thar Bush fellers the director of the CIA once upon a time?  :biggrin:

  George H. Bush sure was the CIA director.  He had a big hand in the way the Iran America hostages went.  That is why they weren't released until Reagan was elected.  Now the bastards want to run Jebfro Bush for president.  :puke:

me

Quote from: Palehorse on December 10, 2014, 08:36:05 PM
Stop attempting to interject information outside of the scope of the report.

Here are the 2013-2014 members of the Committee:


2013-2014
Democrats
Republicans
   Dianne Feinstein,
California
Chairman      Saxby Chambliss,
Georgia
Vice Chairman
   John D. Rockefeller IV,
West Virginia      Richard Burr,
North Carolina
   Ron Wyden,
Oregon      James E. Risch,
Idaho
   Barbara A. Mikulski,
Maryland      Daniel Coats,
Indiana
   Mark Udall,
Colorado      Marco Rubio,
Florida
   Mark Warner,
Virginia      Susan Collins,
Maine
   Martin Heinrich,
New Mexico   bullet   Tom Coburn,
Oklahoma
   Angus King,
Maine       
and:

Harry Reid, Nevada, Ex Officio
Mitch McConnell, Kentucky, Ex Officio
Carl Levin, Michigan, Ex Officio
James Inhofe, Oklahoma, Ex Officio

The source since it came out all jumbled and I feel republicanistic about straightening it out:

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/memberscurrent.html
And where does that matter in the releasing and declassification of it anyway?  Also why after so many years was it so important it be done?  The CIA was doing their job so why throw them under the bus? 
Trump 2020

Henry Hawk

Quote from: The Troll on December 10, 2014, 09:47:34 PM
  George H. Bush sure was the CIA director.  He had a big hand in the way the Iran America hostages went.  That is why they weren't released until Reagan was elected.  Now the bastards want to run Jebfro Bush for president.  :puke:

Okay dumbass!  FOR THE RECORD: Bush was the CIA Director for ONE year....that was 1976.  The Iran Hostage Crisis wasn't until 1979.  Dufass...he had NOTHING to do with it.  Try watching something other than MSNBC once in a while and maybe you would understand the truth when it happens.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


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The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 11, 2014, 07:35:50 AM
Okay dumbass!  FOR THE RECORD: Bush was the CIA Director for ONE year....that was 1976.  The Iran Hostage Crisis wasn't until 1979.  Dufass...he had NOTHING to do with it.  Try watching something other than MSNBC once in a while and maybe you would understand the truth when it happens.

  I don't know if he was CIA director at the time, but he was flown over to Iran at the time of the Iran Hostage Crisis. But Dingbat, you Republican assholes who watch Fox News all of the time and get the Republican talking points every morning can't be to smart. Bunky your elevator only runs up the the first story in a 100 brain building.  What a joker. :jester:

Purplelady1040

Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 11, 2014, 07:35:50 AM
Okay dumbass!  FOR THE RECORD: Bush was the CIA Director for ONE year....that was 1976.  The Iran Hostage Crisis wasn't until 1979.  Dufass...he had NOTHING to do with it.  Try watching something other than MSNBC once in a while and maybe you would understand the truth when it happens.
My History may be off but wasn't a Theodore Shockley (not sure I spelled last name right) the CIA director during the Iran hostage crisis?

Bo D

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 11, 2014, 10:38:32 AM
My History may be off but wasn't a Theodore Shockley (not sure I spelled last name right) the CIA director during the Iran hostage crisis?

Stansfield Turner
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 11, 2014, 10:38:32 AM
My History may be off but wasn't a Theodore Shockley (not sure I spelled last name right) the CIA director during the Iran hostage crisis?

There was a Theodore Shackley, who ran the CIA's Operation Mongoose during the years U.S. officials sought to assassinate Fidel Castro... I guess he did play a role during the those years, but he quit the CIA in 79.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 11, 2014, 10:38:32 AM
My History may be off but wasn't a Theodore Shockley (not sure I spelled last name right) the CIA director during the Iran hostage crisis?

Ted Shackley was Deputy Director of Covert Operations from 1976 -1979
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Purplelady1040

Quote from: Bo D on December 11, 2014, 11:30:35 AM
Stansfield Turner
Thanks Bo!!! I just knew there was a Shackley who was head of something. After all, lets just blame Bush for all that is wrong with the world.

Palehorse

Quote from: me on December 10, 2014, 10:33:01 PM
And where does that matter in the releasing and declassification of it anyway?  Also why after so many years was it so important it be done?  The CIA was doing their job so why throw them under the bus?

If it has to be explained to you then you would not understand. . .  :yes:

And a point of order here; The United States Congress works for "we the people". . . And where is all this accountability talk now?
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Palehorse

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 11, 2014, 12:44:17 PM
. . . After all, lets just blame Bush for all that is wrong with the world.

There is no statute of limitations surrounding war crimes. . . for service members and elected leadership.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Purplelady1040

Quote from: Palehorse on December 11, 2014, 06:54:14 PM
There is no statute of limitations surrounding war crimes. . . for service members and elected leadership.
I understand that but he can't be blamed for all that is wrong with the world, there is plenty of blame to go around with all of them!

Palehorse

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 11, 2014, 06:55:37 PM
I understand that but he can't be blamed for all that is wrong with the world, there is plenty of blame to go around with all of them!

Sorry, but specifics are required when conversing upon the broad topic of what is wrong with the world. There are some things that the Shrub is indeed responsible for, things his administration are responsible for, and still others that there are shared responsibilities over going all the way back to JFK; in my view.

Conversely, there are many things wrong in the world today that I directly attribute to religion. Which one? ALL of them. (But that's another story).

While this topic is intended to document the skewed expectations of the zealous conservative sector of politics for future use, said topic has ventured off into the area of crimes against humanity; and potentially war crimes committed on behalf of the "leader" of the free world. (This is nothing new here and has been the subject of much dialog within this forum since 2003, when the US declared war on terrorists and used it as a cover for an oil grab initiative designed to topple a dictator this country placed into power previously).

The Senates investigation documents the abhorrent abuse of human beings via the use of torture that resulted in deaths. Despite the fact that those of us with experience in such matters warned early on, and over a decade ago, that such methods were unreliable at best, and against the laws of humankind. (It's all here if you really want to read what some here have said on this matter, it is just a search away).

And as usual, conservatives herein decry the results of this investigation because it does not support their skewed world view; even when the man they hoisted as their own "savior", McCain, himself has publicly stated his staunch disagreement with what has taken place surrounding the use of torture and human abuse. (I watched his entire statement, and while it was clear to me he found the task of having to do so very disagreeable for many reasons, he did say it in no uncertain terms. The first thing I've ever heard come out of that man's pie-hole that I agreed with).

I'm betting it is just a matter of time before Sarah Putin opens her own pie-hole to spew some propaganda in support of these war crimes. (McCains VP I might add).  :rolleyes:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Purplelady1040

Quote from: Palehorse on December 11, 2014, 07:13:25 PM
Sorry, but specifics are required when conversing upon the broad topic of what is wrong with the world. There are some things that the Shrub is indeed responsible for, things his administration are responsible for, and still others that there are shared responsibilities over going all the way back to JFK; in my view.

Conversely, there are many things wrong in the world today that I directly attribute to religion. Which one? ALL of them. (But that's another story).

While this topic is intended to document the skewed expectations of the zealous conservative sector of politics for future use, said topic has ventured off into the area of crimes against humanity; and potentially war crimes committed on behalf of the "leader" of the free world. (This is nothing new here and has been the subject of much dialog within this forum since 2003, when the US declared war on terrorists and used it as a cover for an oil grab initiative designed to topple a dictator this country placed into power previously).

The Senates investigation documents the abhorrent abuse of human beings via the use of torture that resulted in deaths. Despite the fact that those of us with experience in such matters warned early on, and over a decade ago, that such methods were unreliable at best, and against the laws of humankind. (It's all here if you really want to read what some here have said on this matter, it is just a search away).

And as usual, conservatives herein decry the results of this investigation because it does not support their skewed world view; even when the man they hoisted as their own "savior", McCain, himself has publicly stated his staunch disagreement with what has taken place surrounding the use of torture and human abuse. (I watched his entire statement, and while it was clear to me he found the task of having to do so very disagreeable for many reasons, he did say it in no uncertain terms. The first thing I've ever heard come out of that man's pie-hole that I agreed with).

I'm betting it is just a matter of time before Sarah Putin opens her own pie-hole to spew some propaganda in support of these war crimes. (McCains VP I might add).  :rolleyes:
Dang, PH, you could have went all night and never mentioned that moron Sarah Palin's name. She gives women a bad name everywhere!  :biggrin:

Henry Hawk

For the record:

CIA Director John Brennan on Thursday defended harsh interrogation techniques as providing "useful" information to authorities, including in the raid that led to the death of Osama bin Laden.

"It is our considered view that the detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided information that was useful and was used in the ultimate operation to go against Bin Laden," Brennan said.

"There were no easy answers, and whatever your views are on [enhanced interrogation techniques], our nation and in particular this agency did a lot of things right during this difficult time to keep this country strong and secured," Brennan said.

Brennan said it's "lamentable" that the Senate panel didn't conduct interviews with CIA agents -- a contrast, he said, with its handling of a report on Iraq's lack of weapons of mass destruction, which included interviews with more than 200 officers.

His strongest criticism of the report was with its contention that the CIA misled the public and government officials -- including then-President George W. Bush. That, Brennan said, is untrue -- a stance former Vice President Dick Cheney backed up in an interview with Fox News on Wednesday night.


"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW