For The Record:

[Exterminator]

The only reason you say that is because you distinguish a difference where I don't making you the racist one IMO.

The old, "I'm rubber, you're glue," defense!

His being a mixed race has nothing to do with my dislike of his policies anymore than my dislike of Hillary or Pelosi have anything to do with the fact that they are women. Obama would be an elitist even if he were all white and I still wouldn't like him.

Bullshit.   

[Palehorse]

This is YOUR experiment.  I'm not wasting anytime whatsoever on this.  Do what you want. I say what I say and I stand behind it.  You can copy and paste or do what ever, I really don't care.   If I say something I regret, big f'ing deal. 

I already stated my rules of engagement.  Its up to you.

In your words; for the record.

[The Troll]

This is YOUR experiment.  I'm not wasting anytime whatsoever on this.  Do what you want. I say what I say and I stand behind it.  You can copy and paste or do what ever, I really don't care.   If I say something I regret, big f'ing deal. 

I already stated my rules of engagement.  Its up to you.

  Henry "I say what I mean and I mean what I say, I'm 100% tried and true.   

[Palehorse]

Bush made it possible for Obama to get him, it was his foreign policies that put the priorities in place to have him found.

Seriously? Here's what the Senate Report said that was released today:

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/12/politics/torture-report/?hpt=hp_t1

. . .The CIA continues to claim that coercive interrogations were crucial to capturing Osama bin-Laden, but the Senate report concludes that the most "accurate' CIA information that led to bin Laden's capture came from a detainee before the detainee was tortured.
The CIA claims that information obtained through coercion "fundamentally" changed the agency's calculations.
The Senate report insists that bin Laden could have been captured without the torture of any detainees.
The "most accurate" CIA intelligence that led to bin Laden's capture came from Hassan Ghul, who was captured in Iraq in 2004.
While Ghul was later subjected to enhanced interrogations, the Senate report contends that Ghul provided information that led to bin Laden's courier through traditional interrogation -- before he faced anything resembling torture.. . .

In a scathing report, the Senate called out the CIA for its inhumane treatment of prisoners, and its "outright torture" of them. . . Which amounted to NOTHING. . . ZIP. . . NADA! In fact, (as I warned way back in the early days of this), the information it obtained was found to be false and of no help what so ever.

So. . . this begs the question: Where was Bush during all of this? Why did he fail to exercise leadership?

[The Troll]

Seriously? Here's what the Senate Report said that was released today:

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/12/politics/torture-report/?hpt=hp_t1

. . .The CIA continues to claim that coercive interrogations were crucial to capturing Osama bin-Laden, but the Senate report concludes that the most "accurate' CIA information that led to bin Laden's capture came from a detainee before the detainee was tortured.
The CIA claims that information obtained through coercion "fundamentally" changed the agency's calculations.
The Senate report insists that bin Laden could have been captured without the torture of any detainees.
The "most accurate" CIA intelligence that led to bin Laden's capture came from Hassan Ghul, who was captured in Iraq in 2004.
While Ghul was later subjected to enhanced interrogations, the Senate report contends that Ghul provided information that led to bin Laden's courier through traditional interrogation -- before he faced anything resembling torture.. . .

In a scathing report, the Senate called out the CIA for its inhumane treatment of prisoners, and its "outright torture" of them. . . Which amounted to NOTHING. . . ZIP. . . NADA! In fact, (as I warned way back in the early days of this), the information it obtained was found to be false and of no help what so ever.

So. . . this begs the question: Where was Bush during all of this? Why did he fail to exercise leadership?

  I think the Democrats have a trump card.    If the Republicans try to impeach Obama the Democrats try George W. Bush and Prick Chaney for war crimes.   

[me]

Seriously? Here's what the Senate Report said that was released today:

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/12/politics/torture-report/?hpt=hp_t1

. . .The CIA continues to claim that coercive interrogations were crucial to capturing Osama bin-Laden, but the Senate report concludes that the most "accurate' CIA information that led to bin Laden's capture came from a detainee before the detainee was tortured.
The CIA claims that information obtained through coercion "fundamentally" changed the agency's calculations.
The Senate report insists that bin Laden could have been captured without the torture of any detainees.
The "most accurate" CIA intelligence that led to bin Laden's capture came from Hassan Ghul, who was captured in Iraq in 2004.
While Ghul was later subjected to enhanced interrogations, the Senate report contends that Ghul provided information that led to bin Laden's courier through traditional interrogation -- before he faced anything resembling torture.. . .

In a scathing report, the Senate called out the CIA for its inhumane treatment of prisoners, and its "outright torture" of them. . . Which amounted to NOTHING. . . ZIP. . . NADA! In fact, (as I warned way back in the early days of this), the information it obtained was found to be false and of no help what so ever.

So. . . this begs the question: Where was Bush during all of this? Why did he fail to exercise leadership?

Where was Clinton? 

[Exterminator]

Where was Clinton?

Uh, not the fucking president?

[me]

Uh, not the fucking president?

Uh, it happened during his administration too.  What about interrogation during WWII and Nam are we gonna have to go back and look at that too?  There is nothing to be gained, nothing. 

[Exterminator]

Uh, it happened during his administration too.

Source?

[me]

Source?

Why, so you can make fun of it and name call?  I said never again and I meant it. You look it up.

Changed my mind:   Fact Sheet: Extraordinary Rendition
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December 6, 2005

Beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to this day, the Central Intelligence Agency, together with other U.S. government agencies, has utilized an intelligence-gathering program involving the transfer of foreign nationals suspected of involvement in terrorism to detention and interrogation in countries where -- in the CIA's view -- federal and international legal safeguards do not apply. Suspects are detained and interrogated either by U.S. personnel at U.S.-run detention facilities outside U.S. sovereign territory or, alternatively, are handed over to the custody of foreign agents for interrogation. In both instances, interrogation methods are employed that do not comport with federal and internationally recognized standards. This program is commonly known as "extraordinary rendition."

The current policy traces its roots to the administration of former President Bill Clinton. Following the attacks of September 11, 2001, however, what had been a limited program expanded dramatically, with some experts estimating that 150 foreign nationals have been victims of rendition in the last few years alone. Foreign nationals suspected of terrorism have been transported to detention and interrogation facilities in Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Diego Garcia, Afghanistan, Guantánamo, and elsewhere. In the words of former CIA agent Robert Baer: "If you want a serious interrogation, you send a prisoner to Jordan. If you want them to be tortured, you send them to Syria. If you want someone to disappear -- never to see them again -- you send them to Egypt."

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/fact-sheet-extraordinary-rendition

So start including Clinton in the war criminal category too.

[Exterminator]

Following the attacks of September 11, 2001, however, what had been a limited program expanded dramatically...

So start including Clinton in the war criminal category too.

LMAO!  Conservatives using the ACLU as a source of information is more than just a little ironic.

That aside, if it can be proven that Clinton knowingly allowed American agents to torture people, then yes, he should also be investigated.  Bush and Cheney absolutely did.

Nice try at a red herring, by the way, considering you brought up this report and it specifically covers, "abuses and countless mistakes made between late 2001 and early 2009."

[me]

And ya'll keep talking like Bush was the only president to use interrogation methods which were shady, waterboarding was legal by the way.  If yer gonna go after one go after them all.  And that still has nothing to do with the timing of the release and why, after all these years, release it at all.  It is political posturing at it's finest and still wrong since none of the participants were talked to. It is putting our CIA, military, and allies at risk just to try to get back at the conservatives. 

[Exterminator]

It is putting our CIA, military, and allies at risk just to try to get back at the conservatives.

How, exactly?  Seems you were perfectly ok putting our military at risk in a war for oil; now weren't you?

And half of the committee that released this report are conservatives.

[Palehorse]

Uh, it happened during his administration too.  What about interrogation during WWII and Nam are we gonna have to go back and look at that too?  There is nothing to be gained, nothing.

Stop attempting to interject information outside of the scope of the report.

Here are the 2013-2014 members of the Committee:


2013-2014
Democrats
Republicans
   Dianne Feinstein,
California
Chairman      Saxby Chambliss,
Georgia
Vice Chairman
   John D. Rockefeller IV,
West Virginia      Richard Burr,
North Carolina
   Ron Wyden,
Oregon      James E. Risch,
Idaho
   Barbara A. Mikulski,
Maryland      Daniel Coats,
Indiana
   Mark Udall,
Colorado      Marco Rubio,
Florida
   Mark Warner,
Virginia      Susan Collins,
Maine
   Martin Heinrich,
New Mexico   bullet   Tom Coburn,
Oklahoma
   Angus King,
Maine       
and:

Harry Reid, Nevada, Ex Officio
Mitch McConnell, Kentucky, Ex Officio
Carl Levin, Michigan, Ex Officio
James Inhofe, Oklahoma, Ex Officio

The source since it came out all jumbled and I feel republicanistic about straightening it out:

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/memberscurrent.html

[Palehorse]

And ya'll keep talking like Bush was the only president to use interrogation methods which were shady, waterboarding was legal by the way.  If yer gonna go after one go after them all.  And that still has nothing to do with the timing of the release and why, after all these years, release it at all.  It is political posturing at it's finest and still wrong since none of the participants were talked to. It is putting our CIA, military, and allies at risk just to try to get back at the conservatives.

This sounds strangely like my 3 year old grandson when I catch him with his hands in the cookie jar and Oreo all over his face! 

By the way. . . wasn't one of them thar Bush fellers the director of the CIA once upon a time?