Ferguson, MO

[Purplelady1040]

You'd have no real reason to not invent such a claim, and as I've pointed out specific reasons to invent such a claim.

I truly don't care either way, but making anecdotal claims won't carry any weight - especially with me.

I am sure you will say that my job and ride alongs with the police are anecdotal and not factual to what I witnessed and saw.

Now see, that's just silly. 

You make yet another anecdotal claim, and one that actually has absolutely no bearing on whether you may or may not be a racist. 

You most certainly would not be precluded from being a racist simply because it might be possible that you could have either mixed or full minority relation. 

My own kids are of mixed heritage so believe me, people like to come up with the racist crap a lot.

[Purplelady1040]

Get real.  You don't even really know the chain of events, do you?  Obviously not.

Well, I'm not compelled to explain them to you in detail, but expect to hear the sniggering from the other participants.   

I doubt that any of us will ever know the true story.

[Purplelady1040]

Have a good night all. Got to get the kiddos ready to go back to school tomorrow for 15 days.

[Y]

No, I don't agree with the use of deadly force and I am not trying to spread any BS but the fact remains that had the kid complied he would still be alive. I am not so sure why that is hard for you to understand. Do you expect police officers to just allow the public in general to beat the shit  out of them and they not be allowed to defend themselves. It is like I have heard people want to bash the police for doing a job but when that person needs help who is it that they call. Whatever the outcome, no one was going to be satisfied.

And if Wilson:

1. Hadn't decided to push his authority over jaywalking

2. Hadn't decided to push his authority when Brown and friend blew Wilson off

3. Had called for back up and waited to push the confrontation when it arrived

4. Had pulled away when Brown was at the car door

5. Had simply tazed or pepper sprayed Brown

6. Had used his club on him

7. I can go on and on and on...

...and Brown would still be alive.

Brown was an unarmed and untrained assailant.  There was NO reason for Wilson to escalate to deadly force. 

Wilson didn't even really take an arse whipping.  Have you seen the photos?

I don't really think you get it at all.

[Y]

Considering that I worked closely with law officers and went on ride alongs as part of my job, I can just about guarantee you that I heard them request more times than order but I know you think that is an anecdote and not factual evidence.

It is another anecdotal claim, and 'request' is still not true. 

Just like you haven't a clue as to what I know about the law, the legal system, judges, prosecutors, attorneys, or officers and how many of them I might know.

Next time an officer 'requests' you to do something, tell them no and just find out whether it's really a 'request' or an order.

[Y]

I am sure you will say that my job and ride alongs with the police are anecdotal and not factual to what I witnessed and saw.

Then why did you ask?  See my previous reply.

[Purplelady1040]

It is another anecdotal claim, and 'request' is still not true. 

Just like you haven't a clue as to what I know about the law, the legal system, judges, prosecutors, attorneys, or officers and how many of them I might know.

Next time an officer 'requests' you to do something, tell them no and just find out whether it's really a 'request' or an order.

It is a request until one chooses to not comply then it becomes an order.

[Y]

Y, here's a question for you. How do you feel about his step-father making claims on media to burn Ferguson down after the outcome? Do you feel his stepfather should be charged with inciting a riot? I know that he and the mother were upset and with good reason but what do you think he shoushould have done.

First one would have to hear that supposed statement in context.

Then there are an entire list of factors to be taken into consideration in order to make that charge.

You should really get off of that authoritarian kick and see the Brown incident in the broader context of the history of Ferguson, the litany of incidents like Brown that are committed yearly, and the history of blacks in our society...and then wonder why blacks sometimes erupt en masse as they do.

I don't think you have a clue.

[Y]

It is a request until one chooses to not comply then it becomes an order.

It's NOT a request.  It always has the full force of the law and legal system behind it.

It's not that hard to understand.

[Purplelady1040]

First one would have to hear that supposed statement in context.

Then there are an entire list of factors to be taken into consideration in order to make that charge.

You should really get off of that authoritarian kick and see the Brown incident in the broader context of the history of Ferguson, the litany of incidents like Brown committed yearly, and the history of blacks in our society...and then wonder why blacks sometimes erupt en masse as they do.

I don't think you have a clue.

His comment was made after the Grand Jury decision and his exact words were something like "burn this MF town down".  I think if you ask some blacks they find what blacks do when they riot deplorable and gives blacks a bad name.

[Purplelady1040]

First one would have to hear that supposed statement in context.

Then there are an entire list of factors to be taken into consideration in order to make that charge.

You should really get off of that authoritarian kick and see the Brown incident in the broader context of the history of Ferguson, the litany of incidents like Brown that are committed yearly, and the history of blacks in our society...and then wonder why blacks sometimes erupt en masse as they do.

I don't think you have a clue.

By the way, what about the litany of incidents where people of other races murder a white but you don't see the whites rioting when the Grand Jury chooses to not prosecute!

[Y]

His comment was made after the Grand Jury decision and his exact words were something like "burn this MF town down".  I think if you ask some blacks they find what blacks do when they riot deplorable and gives blacks a bad name.

Do you know what?  I suspect you're only interested in this issue because you think you have some traction there.

Actually, who cares if that bereaved man may have said something in his grief.  Do you really think it's a crime?  I sincerely doubt it. 

I think whites like you who carry on about the rioting do so out of fear - a fear based both in racism and payback.  You're scared that those riots might not stop at blacks tearing up their own neighborhood, but spread into a full scale national uprising into neighborhoods like yours.  It isn't that white America doesn't deserve it.  It is approximately 400 years and white America is STILL arguing about allowing minorities FULL participation in society.

[Y]

By the way, what about the litany of incidents where people of other races murder a white but you don't see the whites rioting when the Grand Jury chooses to not prosecute!

Yeah, let us know when the Grand Jury declines to prosecute.   

You do know your statement is utterly ridiculous and belies your claimed legal knowledge, don't you?

First, when does a Grand Jury normally do that?  The prosecutor normally brings the charges.

Secondly, our legal system, our jails and prisons are a testament that whites don't have anything to riot about when it comes to minorities murdering whites.  Have you ever paid any attention to both the racial makeup of our incarcerated population and the statistical proportion of our incarcerated population compared to the rest of First World countries?

Thirdly, have you paid attention to the racial makeup of those doing the worst in our society?

Hell, Whitey's doin' pretty good all the way around!

[Purplelady1040]

Do you know what?  I suspect you're only interested in this issue because you think you have some traction there.

Actually, who cares if that bereaved man may have said something in his grief.  Do you really think it's a crime?  I sincerely doubt it. 

I think whites like you who carry on about the rioting do so out of fear - a fear based both in racism and payback.  You're scared that those riots might not stop at blacks tearing up their own neighborhood, but spread into a full scale national uprising into neighborhoods like yours.  It isn't that white America doesn't deserve it.  It is approximately 400 years and white America is STILL arguing about allowing minorities FULL participation in society.

I have no problems with blacks rioting for the right reasons. I don't live in an all white neighborhood and blacks rioted for the right reasons to get their rights to  vote and be treated equally! By the way, I am sure that if the blacks did riot in our neighborhood that many whites would be along side with them but the fact is that many times when these riots take place that it is the locals who suffer. How about the blacks who protected a white business owners place of business from the riots in Ferguson. People come from out of town and out of state and start the rioting and the people living in one's town pay the consequences.

[Purplelady1040]

Yeah, let us know when the Grand Jury declines to prosecute.   

You do know your statement is utterly ridiculous and belies your claimed legal knowledge, don't you?

First, when does a Grand Jury normally do that?  The prosecutor normally brings the charges.

Secondly, our legal system, our jails and prisons are a testament that whites don't have anything to riot about when it comes to minorities murdering whites.  Have you ever paid any attention to both the racial makeup of our incarcerated population and the statistical proportion of our incarcerated population compared to the rest of First World countries?

Thirdly, have you paid attention to the racial makeup of those doing the worst in our society?

Hell, Whitey's doin' pretty good all the way around!

The Grand Jury decides if enough evidence is given to have a trial at least here in Kentucky. I do know that a huge proportion of those incarcerated are of the black population and young men. I am not saying that all have committed a crime after all, DNA is now being used to prove many who were innocent but found guilty by a jury be released.  Thank goodness for that but that doesn't tarnish the fact that they were put in jail for something they shouldn't haven't been. It is a shame that many times it was guilty and not presumed innocent until they had a trial and decided that way.
Most Grand Jury meetings are done in secret, again. I can only say what happens in Kentucky because that is the way it works